read the piece because they were not allowed to, they had to coordinate everything they talked about with the americans 1st. nobody didn't find himself possibly sleep walking into a conflict in the middle east with several potential fronts. i apologize, i have to, the situation was another issue to wake up with mister president as he stood side by side with israel. benjamin netanyahu by didn't was keeping the cold shoulder by arab leaders. our venetians also rising up in anger. us military base is attacked in syria. the country's embassy set on fire and loving on us is preparing to fight back. this is not what we want, not what we're looking for. we don't want escalation if we don't want to see a 2nd or 3rd front develop. we don't want to see our forces or our personnel come under fire, but if that happens, we're ready for the

meeting of this administration. we have been working for a more integrated, cooperative, peaceful, stable and prosperous, middle east full of bass will be done in the name of the bite and administration under the name of, of mine who says he's a peace maker. what's the real reason the u. s. v. to you in security councils, resolution for pools in hostilities in golf and last week you guessed it, nothing past. so just business. i'm going to send the congress nothing urgent, but your request to funding that is past the security needs to support are critical partners, including israel and ukraine, is a smart investment is going to pay dividends for american security. for generations help us keep american troops out of harm's way. help us build a world that a safer, more peaceful and more prosperous for our children and grandchildren. we're not

just talking about a small chunk of change here. the defense industry in the us is worth billions of dollars to the country's economy. just these 4 weapons manufacturers have added almost $13000000000.00 us dollars inviting to the assets since as well began its war on garza. that's in just 2 weeks. well, one thing up production could be moved, jobs on the factory. so even that hasn't been enough to what the american appetite . instead the finding being full, sped more will often more will a bit too much so time just spice it up a little. no, it's not just about them, it could be about us. the boogeyman could be around the corner when we give older equipment to the ukranian. for example, we are rebuilding our industrial base and this country for the more serious big power shred. united well by doing is trying to paint himself as an international

man of action at home. he's not too popular ramping up. the defense industry is one way to plug a leaky economy. but the truth is, americans on buying it with a boy i didn't, is re elected to know next to those words. he said in january 2021 ring hollow us is for many an untrustworthy partner, but it's not sort out piece. it's just look to line its own deep pockets. the mean time regarding the media conflict with is railey officials saying, quote, objective coverage of the war only helps hum us the bbc meantime is reportedly taken 6 correspondence of the posting seemingly pro palestinian sentiment, its origin information wars, and it don't use continue. so the top of the

hello and welcome to cross talk. we're all things are considered. i'm peter lavelle, us it as close as allies refuse to give peace a chance. and ukraine and palestine. the word piece is not part of their lexicon. in the meantime, israel has been given the green, likes to do whatever it chooses, including ignoring international law, as well as side lighting, the rules of war, the cross talking palestine. i'm joined by my guest, then cabal, look in pittsburgh. he is professor of law,

an author of the plot to escape code russia in california city. we have craig passage. i'll do a he is co host of the convo couch as well as a fill in host. and then jimmy doors show and in berlin we crossteck of our a must sound to use founder of seriana analysis. all right, gentlemen, cost cycles. and in effect, that means you can jump any time you want. and i always appreciate it. let's go to berlin 1st. barclay, as i said in my introduction of the united states and its closest allies, are not interested in peace anywhere on the world. and particularly with this new conflict that has arisen in israel and gaza. we hear all of this talk about will they be a landing base and where they won't be? why the hesitation, the weather is bad, or the waiting for re reinforcements with united as well. all the, all the reasons are rolled out here, but they don't have a political strategy. and that's why a military strategy, in my opinion, is not only going to be difficult if not do the failure because they never think about the day after. go ahead and berlin and actually they don't have

a political the strategy because they haven't talked about what's coming next after this made it to escalation and to meet, at least in the individual. we can see that there are different players and they are causing, i think, between each other, for example, even on syria, and also known as state actors, such as well as a mazda. and just let me do you have in the house there may need to be a strategy against these, right? and also they know if things go out of control, they have a political agenda, how to end this conflict going through the escalade. however, from the american and european side, they have invested so much in the baskets of israel, that the only thing that is visible now is the military escalation. and what comes after the media to the escalation, if there is going to be negotiations, for example, are the policy and inside delivery side or any of these parties concerned of the content going to negotiate with who are they going to negotiate with united states united season is an integral part of this company and europeans. unfortunately,

they have made themselves, again an essential player on the side of is where they didn't have to do that. let's remember that they could or tool the french or the, or the gym as they were pretending that they can play him and the issue on role between different conflicting part. is there not pretending that any more nowadays, you cannot differentiate between the foreign policy of washington and brussels. there is not distinguish anymore, and this will create the backlash in the global science, especially in the middle east, and the increasing sentiments negative sentiments against the europeans as well as against the americans. of indicative or 20 years ago, the people were able to differentiate between europe and united states. and now we can see that there is a collective west, and they have given a carte blanche for is ready to commit its work crimes in front of the entire work that we watch while and, and provide a code by the collective west, the near space. and specifying europe, they will be culpable, they are now called for both,

for the crimes that are being committed by their quote ally, israel. again, the issue of deterrence, this is how is real formulated, its entire security policy. is it everyone was terrified of it? that's changed dramatically and if things don't play out well for the israelis, i don't think it, they will. they will never get that sense of deterrence back unless they want to commit a genocide in and gaza and that will have its own repercussions around the world. go ahead, dan. yeah, no, you're absolutely right. i mean, um, i think that the mask, of course has taken off when has beloved, defeated them pretty roundly several years back. and then of course, frankly, given the great security breach that happened on october 7th. and you know, israel's proven itself to be vulnerable and now of course it's been threatening this land evasion for over 2 weeks now. and it hasn't done it and why?

because the world knows it really can't do it. it can't do it safely. you can't do it. without incurring incredible losses. yep. and, and one of the reasons why, let's face it is because it's an army of cod scripts to the extent that they have experienced at all. it's frankly in bullying, children and women in the west. i mean, this is not an army that is battle hardened. it's not prepared to fight people who actually are trained fighters. and so it's at least for the moment, painting this land invasion, but the world knows why it knows it can't do it. so now as you mentioned, there are essentially committing genocide are certainly at the cleansing and war crimes. and they will pay a steep elliptical and diplomatic price and, and andrew and everyone bid backs them as well. uh, pasta. and in california,

one of the things we've seen where and looking at urban warfare, it's the great equalizer. ok, so great. so you can be barefoot with a, with a shot gun and you can be and is rarely trade and folds or you are all equal in the rubble. go ahead pasta. yeah, i think history is shown for quite some time a large technological army still is at a disadvantage when they go in on an off ends to play against the defensive army that knows the terrain very well. and you know, like, good dan just said the id f is not prepared for this. they're not ready for tunnel warfare. but what's really amazing to me is that all the bombing that's going on hasn't really affected her. mazda is military of positions whatsoever, like our good friend, jesse ventura from predator would say their dug in time, like an alabama tech. they're down there and the idea of knows if they go in there, they're not ready for this warfare. so they will be wiped out if not really taking

a lot of damages. just the other day. they tried to go in, in the middle of the gaza strip. and they've already lost a bulldozer, a couple of tanks, and they had to flee by foot. so this is just dead on arrival for them if they try the costs. are there positive? that's what we're told. i tend to think it with the, the, uh, mazda inflicted far more damage than we're being told. because i mean, it wouldn't be go back to, to come out or come in berlin. it's really quite amazing that this information more about the, the hospital incident where the new york times turned around and hartwell bent itself into a pretzel se, oh, well, actually it looks like the is the israelis didn't to do it. there's no evidence whatsoever that has been presented to the world public opinion to, to back that up. i mean, again, the empire of lies. go ahead and berlin. it doesn't matter, peter. the to this doesn't matter. what matters is what they say is accurate,

and they are pushing this narrative not only to their traditional media outlets, they are paying advertisements on twitter, on youtube. if i open my youtube now, and if i watch any video, the advertisement that's come paid by these very government telling me what i should believe. if i work in district's here in berlin, there are 2 screens in the streets, in the train stations and everywhere they are paid advertisements that i have to feel sympathy towards these various when i feel sympathy for the civilians and israel, who are where they're murdered or they were kidnapped by how much or any other mediates in school, but i do not feel sympathy with the government of israel for carpet bone being because as trips, what's the strategy of these various now the mandatory tech teak or the bank of targets of israel by carpet bomb being the because i see the only goal is to force the people to leave to the south and then to add the pressure on the addiction side . so that agent receives 2000000 palestinians and host them incomes in, in,

in the sign of this was also confessed by new york on i just need a tv that said that temporarily of course of inkling that they have to go there until they finish retirement. it's not the goal is ethnic cleansing, push them for the sign i. and when the policy is go to sign, i and they tried to come back to guys because this is their homes. and they tried to use for us to come back because it's not really blocked their access again to the guys that ship. there is where i would say now there is a danger, a coming from the sign i and they would try to create another buffers on just like the and then they will also say what these people left of their own volition. okay, dan, what we're seeing is the knock about 2 point. oh, okay. even even is really officials use that term now, which was apparently for both me, but now it's used again, dan, you should know. this is a tragedy, a on a scale. i don't think any of us are seeing in our life time. as you say, this looks a lot like 1948. the last i saw in these numbers are changing by the

hour, but the last i saw is 1400000 guys have been displaced. um that's over half the population. and they, they are going to continue to displace people and they're going to kill tens of thousands of people. again, the last number i saw was over 2500 children had been killed in gaza. and that was as of yesterday. i'm certainly tired than you know, you know, we've all put, put into question this landing page and i tend to think it's a lot going to happen, or it will be some kind of, you know, photo op thing, but i don't because of what happened in, in lebanon, they were humiliated right there. so down there, there is the only alternative is just to turn it into a parking lot and killed tens of thousands of people. well, joe biden, and his c nile mind is backing it up. damn. yeah, well in i, you know, a joe by, you know, the,

i need to be investigated by the international criminal court. they both should be in a um, you know, a lot of us are watching as it's hard to get through the day without crying and seeing the baby's being killed. and knowing that my tax dollars are helping pay for all this i'm speechless at times. this is the i want to, i want to speak for all of us and our viewers. i've seen countless hours of i can't watch it anymore. i. it is so disturbing. and i don't know it should disturbance all that were watching ethnic cleansing in real time. so when, when you see that bomb go up, you know that 2nd people were killed, you can see you were, you know, boy years of a tragedy. it is really morbid. and that's what i think that is very indicative of western culture. we can sit and watch the ethnic cleansing of an entire group of

people eating popcorn. all right, let me get a little emotional here gentlemen. i'm going to jump in here. we're going to go to a short break and ask and that's your break. we'll continue our discussion on power . let's stay with us, the the, [000:00:00;00]

the, the welcome back across stock were all things are considered. i'm curious about your mind. you were discussing palestine, the okay, let's go back to past the past that what is biden get out of this way. you know, ma chrome as we speak is there. i don't want to shock anyone here, but he's come to talk about a 2 state solution. i mean that you, you want to life and that it's face ok after 50 years and you're going to go back. okay, israel doesn't want that. okay. and the us is enabled that okay, what does buy you can get out of what is the american people get out of this positive to you know, i don't know what they get out of it, but i understand that they're completely bought off by, i mean, they packed controls on whole congress, but just really quickly peter,

i also wanted to talk about why we were talking about the possible invasion. i'm a poker player and i look for people to tip their hands off or give those tell us. i don't know if you saw, but one of those is really officials had the the laminated card with all the all look what we took off a home us soldier. i think that's the next move by israel. i think they're going to actually use chemical welfare, dropping leaflets in the north, telling people that if they don't leave and go to the south, they're going to be an accomplice. so i think they're going to actually try with chemical weapons and do the same thing. they did with the hospital. oh, it was a mile so it was an accident was a rocket look for that coming as far as what bite and gets out of it. i really don't know if the united states gets anything out of but i do know that we are very much, heavily controlled by these really lobbyist in this country. yeah, i mean, the r f k out if case said that the is right is, is rarely present an aircraft carrier for the united states in the middle east, and after their withdrawal approximately withdrawal from iraq and minimizing their presence in the middle east because they are hyper focusing now on far east asian

also in ukraine. it makes sense for the united states to continue to strategic relationship with your israel, and then with at least otherwise they will lose, completed their leverage in the region. and the chinese and the russians would come and have a absolute control over over the region. and god for be done, establish peace because as we can see, the chinese and the russians are mediating between different conflicting parties in the region. whereas the only party that these igniting fire, more fire in the region is into united states because the economy of the american, the united states is built up on war. it's, it's, that's how they make profits. and there is a different philosophy in most core any, any bijan, personally, i do not want, for example, to be dominated by their actions or by the chinese, by their report is different. they treat you as a peer and a respect your domestic are 1st, and we have seen these very clearly in syria. we have a housing solve the soldiers, the in the, in the country to have me literally basis this. and they give advices to,

to the government and they gave me commendations, they never force the government to take any decision. and this is how things would work because when there is and which little business relationship between this regional powers and the region, the possibility and the, the, the possibility off for with also the munition. this is what the americans were not to want, especially after disrupt personal because started it'd be an event and see for the 1st time a bill that young he, he travels to the out in order to coordinate this already side. this is very important for the region in order to avoid escalation, otherwise is where are these praise we to diet options. one is either of to go on a ground offensive against guys that and, and that could lead into regional war. because because while i was most likely to intervene something noise or to they don't go into the guys a ship and this will be interpreted by how much do you have then as well as a victory for them, for them. so in my opinion, politically it's a is where it is in a very hard. yeah. is the end of bench. i mean,

nothing else. i agree or in get it gets down to prestige. okay. i it, dan, you know, if we seek of advanced chemical weapons being used against the people of gaza, then then has the law has no choice, they will lose face, they have to go in, ok. so israel is forcing their hands if they want to do, you know, commit genocide on the cheap. i can't believe i just said that, but that's what they may be thinking down. yes and it has bullet goes in israel will lose. they cannot defeat as bull and has the will have a lot of political and moral cover to do that. so i think israel has no game plan. let's be honest. here they have no game plan. well, they don't, they don't have a game plan for ukraine. so why should they have one for this one? yes, but it is a very dangerous moment. i mean, the only game plan they have is to inflict as much suffering on the people, gods as possible that they are doing. but again,

to advance their long term political interest, they have no game plan for buying as no game plan poured. but by the way, i think the buy presidency is over with this. i, i don't see how he gets out of this scapes. i think the american people. busy by the day are becoming 2nd by what's happening in gaza. and it's the 1st time really that they're seeing it, right? because i can't be in social media has been the best friend of the palestinians, the bad. because then, you know, if you look at cnn, what it is, so it's shameless and m s. and be so, and fox, all of them are some shameless and how they cover up crimes. okay. it's really extraordinary past. so one of the things that, you know, we're going along with this social media thing is that when you do actually see what the bombing is in real time, it is really very,

very difficult for an electorate for citizenry to go along with that. okay? because it's a, it depreciates what they think, what, what people think of themselves, their own sense of morality. pasta. yeah, i think there's a lot of cracks on the day. and a lot of kinks to the armor of people are speaking up more than ever. i know myself, i know, but we wanted to be quiet about this whole situation because when it comes to pushing back against these really lobbyist, they can really shut you down big into monetize you sent to you. but a lot of us have just the can call us and they go and they can call you an anti semite this where favorite thing all the time. yeah. all the time they can do so. but i also want to just comment to on the plan, because i don't know if, if the that's i'm so sold on the fact that they don't have a plan. but as i used to say, it is all the time the united states doesn't care who wins the war. they don't care lose the war. all they care is that they have the war. and it seems like they just moved toward award award a war. and you know, once they get done over here with ukraine and then is real,

they can move on to china. so i don't know if it's one of those things that they have no plan because the plan is 2 weeks is extract as much money as possible and put it into the hands of the military industrial complex. i think they've been in the been able to accomplish that here with you as well. what did they want to send them to the 100000000000 to both ukraine in the, in the past of the, the, the, i, i understand your logic but they, they really up the stake 7th day. they keep up in the stakes. one of the lessons that we should, we learn from the cold war is a great powers. don't go toe to toe. you can go proxy. yeah. okay. but, you know, if you have the importance of israel is so important to the political establishment, but it's, it is being threatened ex, essentially, i mean, it is to be or not to be. this is something that wasn't supposed to happen. continue pasta. well, you're right about that. i think they kind of bit off more than they can chew and it's going to be it's going to be a hard plan to see what they want to do. but i think it's the end of the day. they

never had be with a mazda mazda is just the excuse. they've always had be the, you know, that's, this is israel with the power city and people. and they wanted that land for quite some time. and now they have a chance to get it. so i think they're going to do their best to try it. go ahead and try to grab that way and move people into egypt. and who knows what's the next day after that we have to wait and say, okay about, i don't think the people of god, so want to go to egypt. they're tired of being pushed around. this is what 3rd, 4th, 5th generation of displacement. they're not going to go, no, they're not going to do it. go ahead and balance that. 70 percent of the people living in because as cheap are from difficulties to the who are displaced from their homes and tennessee and 1948. they are the 3rd generation and the 4th generation of the not about people, they have a collected memory. people need to understand the people. like for example, i'm a 3rd generation supervisor of the, i mean a genocide. we have a collective memory. we know what, what happened in the history and this people are the same. and they don't buy to the narrative that they're going there temporarily. and they will come back later.

know if they go to egypt, they would never go come back. that's why the people have chosen to, to, to fight, to do. and that's exactly why the, these right is being beheaded out of the, the guys us it because they want to spread desperation. because if there is no desperation, people will not go to egypt. and this is the only way to force them to go to egypt . and to be honest with you, i, i have so many friends in the guys us group. i can see their posts in arabic, on, on, on facebook. and these people are crying blood every day, and we have to stop this as soon as we can and then, and they need to be there, need to be an intervention now from the chinese side or from the russian side, they need to force this, the sides into the escalation because this would go out of hand and remember what putting said to the other day he gave the permission to, he's making thirty's to carry the kids on me started from the it's on the black sea because these aircraft carriers of the americans intimated to have any idea who believes that they have sent to aircraft titles just for has will. of course not.

they're also strengthening syria. we'd ask, ask of you, i'm glad you brought that up because what on the 2nd day of this, i say don't forget about syria that this is business. i'm finished with these people here. dan, i don't want to be apocalyptic here because because i'm really worried that we could go in that direction. but the weakness that is realistic exhibited over the last 17 days or so will not be repeated again if they survive it. that's why i think has the law, it ran a mouse, others. but in yemen, even in syria, they're gonna say this is an opportunity that can be pat. they may never get it again. that's scary, but i think that's a correct political calculation. damn. well, i think that is true. i think you could see a regional complet gratian for the reason you're saying, of course, the one to turn israel as that we have not mentioned or nuclear weapons is the only nuclear state in the region of course, undeclared,

which is illegal. but nonetheless, um and what would that be? i do with those weapons. if his back is up against the wall, you know, we have to consider that. and i think it makes the situation all the more frightening in all the more reason that the us should be pushing for an immediate cease fire, which of course, is the demand of the peace moment in the united states. because if those other countries get involved, i worry that israel could, could use nuclear weapons is past that with your thoughts. go ahead or oh, i just think it's crazy. 2 weeks of work sat as well. you know, china no rush. it has to intervene as an american, the only help i get if i want to end this for adult, that right? as a web site, i can do something as a supervisor. our to push the is really, is the stand down because here in the united states, we have nobody, peter, nobody in congress, nobody running for, for president. that wants to stop this war, that will push back against these really lobbies. it's just

a shame. it's is going on like that, so all we could do is step back and pray. but as for her mos, they're not going to really remove them because they're more of an ideology now and i think that's set and that's going on. it's way. well what, what, this is what we've already had. well, for complex and in gaza and i'm also only get stronger. the only way they're going to get rid of a moss is to commit genocide which they're doing under different different guys. okay, slowly but surely. again, it should shock the conscience that you couldn't watch the misery ration of, of people that have been displaced for since 1948. and you can watch their, their destruction on live television. it tells the cell is a very sad thing about the human condition, right? now let's all the time we have gentlemen and want to thank my guest in california, pittsburgh and in berlin. and of course, i want to thank our viewers for watching us here at archie. see you next time. remember crossed up

the, [000:00:00;00] the . 7 the, these early bombings take the lives of over 5800 palestinians in less than 3 weeks, with nearly a 100 more added to the death toll overnight. this is for as it is combat, it is flooding. it is ugly, and it's going to be messy. and innocent civilians are going to be hurt. washington says more civilian casualties in gather ahead in that stuff the reality in the