and for the, the, this is, it is combat. it is what it is ugly. and it's going to be messy. and peterson civilians are going to be hurt. washington says more civilian casualties in gather all the hedge and that's just the reality in the conflict. the, he's running a bomb mistake, the lines of over 5800 palestinians and the last 2 or 3 weeks with nearly a 100 more added to the death toll overnight. the easiest thing for them to see richard lies the effects by miles the loss happen in the policy

that people have been subjected to this 56 years of sickle stating cultivation read . e's real fast. will you, instead of the general must resign after i have to know what that i suggest is a mass attack when israel watson response to 56 years of these ready occupations. the we're going out without coverage of the latest developments from the middle east on our team to national i am mike or portrait of the us. it's called for the public to simply accept that there will be more casualties of civilian casualties in gather as washington, as all i use will continue to its military operation of a ceasefire right now. really only benefits from us. this is for, it is combat. it is bloody, it is ugly and it's going to be messy. and it isn't. civilians are going to be hurt

going forward. i wish i could tell you something different. i wish that that wasn't going to happen. but it is, he's going to happen and that doesn't make it right, doesn't make it the dismissal. it doesn't mean that we aren't gonna still express concerns about that and, and do everything we can to help. these rarely do everything they can to minimize it. but, but that's, that's unfortunately, that's the nature of conflict. and more on the story, i'm joining us to do a bar to correspond to some of the best key to give us insight into all of this. alex is good to have you join me in the studio. now, why use the us talking a balance in quoting for people to simply accept blog check? well, i think what you heard in those comments that i was simply the humanoid using the situation that's happening in gauze or the moment. and it's the 1st time we've heard this from western powers from west and media. if we look at the situation in se ukraine lost in the way the thought was covered compared to what we seeing goals

are at the moment. and also what we've seen in previous conflicts in them, at least in the past, just so it's a very different story when war and ukraine started in february of 2022. we sole, if you are full of western powers, including the us, talking about opening their arms to the white ukrainians, the european. so i think that is clear. what we're seeing here is there is a distinction between what we talking about is the color of people's skin. and the valley we put on their lives. let's just give you a reminder of how some of the coverage was the stall to view claims for last year. i me or sorry, is very emotional for me because i see europe and people with blue eyes and blooms here being tier. this isn't a place with all due respect, you know, like iraq or afghanistan. this is a relatively civilized,

relatively european. i have to choose those words carefully to we're in the 21st century. we are in a european city and we have cruise missile fire as though we were in a rock. we certainly don't see that kind of comfort when we talking about the thousands of children that have been killed in gulls in the past few weeks as a result of those strikes by as well and not retaliation. of course the attacks by how much on october the 7th and the reality is there was a huge double stand to take in the way that the school is being treated when you look at the war and ukraine. there was a suggestion that this could face a world march to the gates of brussels. we're now looking at the use wally galls conflict as if they see some local parochial conflict. it's not going to expand further, but the reality couldn't be further from the truth. we will already have retell oaktree finally a between homeless at 80 or between garza and is,

well we have has the law on the lebanese border. exchanging fi with these rarely soldiers. there is the fee that wrong could get involved. there's already the us sending it's ministry presence into the area and of course is where it is also a nuclear power. so it's really interesting to see how the 2 conflicts have been treated very differently by not just the west and media, but also western powers. you know, talking about the treatment to this conflict we've seen with a children been killed. i've seen the civilians, i've seen the women even health work as john list old have fallen victim to this. how was the western media coughing this whole complex? well, this being an accusation of double stand, it's completely you mentioned there about the, the child casualties. when we talk about the ukraine, who, whenever they was a strike that resulted in any casualties that included the victims being children.

they were plastered all over the headlines and number the children. we knew everything about those children. the same company said so those thousands of children in goal is because we will spend lives in the past 2 weeks. in fact, they've been simply overlooked. we've heard from unicef, who's despite the number of deaths and injuries to children as being simply staggering. unicef has caused for an immediate cessation in full facility is simply full of it stops, the civilians can get rest bite for children to be able to get the help that they need us to describe people, people dying as being collateral damage. now perhaps that shouldn't come as a shock because us administration of the us administrative sion has really seen people as being collateral damage when it comes to war. even when the strikes the coast by the us themselves, back in 2021 and us

a strike. kids have done this on killing sweet children. and this is how the us reacted to that. it's a tough scenario to be and it was a mistake. there was an honest mistake. that's a mistake. it's a regrettable mistake. it's an honest mistake of all the state. can you imagine having to try and explain that to the parents if those children that died, that those children were collateral damage and an honest mistake, it's really very difficult. and now is we see is well continuing to retaliate folders, how much the tax on october, the 2nd question, many people are asking is when is enough enough? but that's a big question when this enough enough the point, as we've seen israel bombarding guys that could change really with we've seen the images from their reporters. however, we're covering the but what is the limit to what the us would like to see

before the passion of the ally to say it enough is enough. let's stop the volunteer . it was very difficult to know what that point is. many humanitarian organizations think that point has already been reached, but just to give you an idea of what saving us miller treat consent is to perhaps be the limit for them. they have something called an n c v. this is called a non combatant cutoff value. this is something that the us military use is on a country to country basis, and sometimes that can even depend on a region to region basis within the country. now this is a limit of innocent people that can be killed by a command. i'm as an incidental killing as a result of the work or strikes that's going on the region. and that ratio really depends, as i said on the country. now we don't have a little effect guess. but for example, we do know that the value of one american citizens life is equivalent to the value

of a 112, a rocky civilians or a 112 syrian at the civilians. so that gives you a sense of the value of the u. s. military and what value they put on life compared to us civilians. we don't yet know what value the us puts on a civilian life in palestine. who i will have to leave you here now and hope that said the could be some resolution from the united nations security council of defense skis. thank you very much for your insight. moving ahead now, is there any bombing claims over 5800 policy man lives in less than 3 weeks with a number increasing overnight? the latest idea strikes on this, on the town of fried janine and the west bank, as well as, as a targeted militants, are located in the area. a warning the following disturbing for these highlights what the people are going through that. 8 the

in the 7 guys and set you up, can you this doesn't the separate points of the being killed and wounded the ass, the residential district came. honda is ready for the policy and health ministry says when the 300 children have died since this thought of the war this pull parents has jumped to as are trying to cope with the influx of patients arriving by the hospitals in guys that have strong loads do help those in need of the lack of medical supplies and stuff from pounds. the crisis reports of come in that of the facilities still standing. 40 hospitals in guys that have run out of fuel for generators. we have a full size across the middle east and in the comfort zone, covering what's on folding by the hour here is how does that challenge bringing us?

the details from gas. a lot of houses got discharged by the is where in the aircraft, and there's thousands of thousands of injuries such as she falls, prepay do start making fuse tons to injuries outside of the hospital, diesel stuff. they come to use such high numbers over in dreams. those injuries actually suffering from medicine, that sort of suffering from the waiting. there's tend to make sense as to to, to make some make surgeries for them. the waiting sort for one or 2 or 2 days to get as soon as you for themselves. and actually the institution here inside shifter posts it's hospices physically. is there anything disaster? because the high number of displaced people inside the house within,

inside the hospital is increasing to receive power. now the people here was from the, as the injuries based as beings here betweens always displace displace pieces. and yesterday i was to, i'm disease and i went to the other nation hospital. so it's located in the northwest. the city state was on fire, busy time with his gun boats 13 next to the hospitals. we here is sorry for the rest of the hospitals and the institution. all so same thing. there's thousands of people hiding inside the house. and inside of the, under the age of hostile cc, within the hour of what they do have food and they don't have to face to survive. this difficult situations of these rarely ambassador to the united nations of slammed the un secretary general for addressing the reasons behind the commons

complex saying that he's on 5th for the job and should resign. that came off to on to new good. that i summarize the decades of oppression policy and people have in your field. the reasons for the have mass attack is important to also recognize the effects by miles. the lots happen in the vacuum. the policy didn't people have been subjected to 56 years of civil k d occupation. they have seen that land sadly be followed by supplements and blake by violence that economies steve folds that people displaced and their homes demolished. that helps with a political solution to that applied. it'd been vanishing. but the gave it was use of the policy and people cannot justify the appalling effects by a mouse. and those appalling effects cannot justify the collective punishment of the policy. and people excellent sees even was as rules.

we must be, man, that's all parties are pulled into respect that obligations under international you may have had in law the cost of getting that going back to the military operations, to steps the villians and respect and protect hospitals and respect the environment . ability of un facilities, which to the sheltering more than $600000.00 palestinians, the un secretary general who shows understanding for the campaign of mass murder of children, women and the elderly, is not fit to lead the un. i call on him to resign immediately. there was no justification or points in talking to those who show compassion for the most terrible atrocities committed against the citizens of israel and the jewish people . there are simply no words. one of the un meeting both warring sides took eva across the table to present the vision of the conflict. paula science that international norms have been left in the rubble with the people of guys and the

global community bus. i the save them or they've been left to die. these are the representative side of the bombardment of gathers in response to atrocities by the palestinian militant group. hum us, meanwhile rushes and bassett a to the you and accused the us of playing a role in the escalation. it suited your needs earlier when the because unfortunately this is not an isolated episode is the cerebral action of the tragic events and the region that followed us were the results of washington as long term destructive for holding on line to sabotage the solution of fundamental issues of the longstanding conflict that these are to replace conscious parts patient in the middle east settlement with the promotion of palliative economic measures. but one of the 2 hostages really is by him as on monday, spoke to the press in tel aviv. now the 87 year old woman was accompanied by some of the members that she answered the questions from john list about her

treatment and the condition she was held in her husband is still being held by him as in gas that much. i spoke about the other 25 people with high and said that the conditions with goods that accompanied by soldiers and handed over to red crescent press mail. but during the press conference, many journalists were interested in one thing. that's okay, that's something you it's enough for the chairs. the woman who spoke to the press was about to leave. she attached to one of the box gun man and said shall um, after which the bash attends. shall almost the hebrew word for peace and harmony. used by jewish people say hello and good bye. she was asked why she did it and said it's quote because the tree did off very nicely. let's cross now 2 reporters on the ground or the middle east to bury chief my

financial night and he's role and r t correspondent. yes. and it can in lebanon. mario, let me start with you here. what can you tell us about these really fast reduce how mass is currently holding? are yes, 1st of all, all one to tell you about what was supposed to be a happy moment for the entire nation, the entire country. israel for all is relays here, eventually went a little bit wrong direction because of the reaction reported. the problem is really officials, the woman that you just mentioned after being released from her master's cafeteria, tea, a lady in her, a to is a resident of one of the jury. assessments at symbol with the, with guys in these ro, south gave an interview. describing what she and all the hostages had been through in these 2 weeks. she basically said that crowds of on demand stone, her house she was beaten, was takes, and the militants took her on

a motorcycle inside the guys as trees. and while already inside the enclave, she and other hostages was taken to a route through the underground tunnel where around 25, all the people prisoners were actually how. so she basically sat in that interview that she went to hell and back. but in the same interview, as you mentioned, she said that she was given access to medical care and she was treated well while into the tv. adding the palestinian fighters took a good care of all the prisoners and of all the needs of the prisoners, making sure none of them get sick. and she also mentioned that there was a doctor visited those into the tibbets a and one thing 2 or 3 days. and despite the fact that significantly bigger parts of the freed hostages past him and it was all about bad things happen to her and other people, residents of age ro, south, is really needed not report that somebody's really officials got worried. that

positive remarks made damages really injuries. let's take a listen. leave should statements about the humane treatment of the hosp, the just at the hands of the homeless terrace harmed is rarely public diplomacy. it would have been appropriate at the very least to make it clear to lift kits or her family members that messages in the spirit serve the enemy at a sensitive time, a policy. all right, i think we have a lost connection with that. with maria production of there, but we'll certainly come back to, to you big the connections. but yes, and let me come to you here talk his president, add on, has spoken out against the business that he's really a tax on gather. could you tell us more about that? and what else did he say of the mike earlier this year it seemed to turkey is real relations were experiencing something of

a break through that relations were improving. and for the most part, they were earlier this year, the 2 states decided to appoint for emissions and investigators, to turkey and israel, and a mutual move to essentially improve the dialogue between the 2 states. and for the most part that has been the case. there were previous meetings that were scheduled for the meeting between of course search president tired, one and prime minister, and it's and yahoo. but for the different reasons that just didn't happen. they were delayed some sided health reasons. but this development, of course, the attacks that have mosque to carried out against israel on october, the 7th. and from that day, up until this point, it has been a great deal of con, concern, mostly for unconnected because although the attacks carried out by how mosse may be dealt with independently with an uncle about the general issue, at least the broader picture is a matter of great concern for the target stage, it says that of course the turkish state does not have an issue with it is rarely

state, but these atrocities carried out by the idea against palestinian civilians as a matter that the text it will not essentially turn a blind w 2 and remain silent in the turkish parliamentary group meeting held by are the one and his party. he had some rather harsh sentiments that he wanted to essentially convey and let's listen to what about how to say before we move on. mike, why it didn't? israel's attacks on gaza, or both murder resend, mentally ill, for those who perpetrate them, and for those who support them yet as the turkish nation, we're the only people on earth who have never practiced racism. the jewish community knows this past. we are the only region annually states where jews have lived for centuries. and anti semitism has not in myrtle shy of pickled. to the general stand, spin on dry is on the west, especially led by the united states just simply does not understand of the rhetoric

coming out of the middle east. and that israel, although has the right to defend itself, also should be held accountable if and when carrying out acts against humanity, particularly were referencing a tax on civilian infrastructure in gaza city. but more importantly, the church president said that the united states what united states and it's ministration was essentially responsible for adding fuel to the fire. this is a very important term here. the church president believes that much of the west is not doing anything to prevent the onslaught that is expected to happen if and one of the is rarely side decides to launch its ground defensive. but more importantly, it's almost as if the united states is providing israel with they get out of jail free card. the sentiments coming out of onto a are fairly harsh. it has also referred to us almost not as a service organization, but more in the life of liberators in this decades. long conflict with israel to

essentially provide more inside the church as president did have a bit more to say respect in respect to the international community. and those know in the region that listen to what you have to say. those outside to reach any self installed, poured fuel onto the fire. all parties should take their hands off, the trigger and a ceasefire should be declared immediately. my director in direct negotiations should be initiated to release the hostages. what color? so the sentiments coming from the international community from china, russia, syria, iraq, 11 on turkey, a katara, saudi arabia, the sun summit generally is that the concept she'll be put to an end to that a ceasefire. should be reached by statements coming out of the united states. the united kingdom and france essentially points out the fact that israel has the right to defend itself, but more importantly, they're concerned that the concept doesn't not spillover, but based on what the tax president had to say. he believes that this concept not

only will spill over, but the, it's the fact that the united states and the western how lives are doing everything in their power to not to prevent it. so it's a matter of great concern for many people within the region. state such as georgia, iran, iraq, syria, even though i've been on here, is essentially following these updates very closely. and it's a matter of great concern because many people are affected by this conflict right now. inside of, there are thousands of people that have been displaced from the houses in the south . as a result of this conflict of conflict, they just don't have any control over mike. well, right? yes. seen it cannot a correspondent in lebanon. thank you very much for being not up to speed. let's press back to ease ro, maria, i'm happy you're back with us now. now talk to us about the potential ease, ready ground depression need to gather of the well i have to tell you that we have been hearing about this potential. ground operation is rarely boots on the ground and the gas is 3 for more than 2 weeks already. since the beginning

always rose are in storage operation, but it's still not happening. and experts say that there are many reasons for that . one of them could be the tremendous pressure from washington as america is allegedly trying to release as many hostages from a mass as hands as possible before any major move by these really are on the, on the ground. others say that actually it's not going to be as a test for is really military far from that. because you can imagine that her mas will be in the situation of fighting at home. they know the area, they are familiar with everything and they probably have significant supports in one local population. so it's going to be relatively easy for them while for israel is going to be all hostile in use. so i x for say that this is why it takes so long for these really leadership and military to assess the situation to make sure they are ready for this operation. because we heard from these really officials many times that they once to enter a g as

a and to win. so they cannot make any mistake. they have to be 100 percent. sure that they are, forces are ready to actually enter the street the street. so i guess this is the major reason for the delay that we've been seeing regarding ground operation and gas them. all right, thank you very much. uh, more f in austin. i are the middle east brew media, the every chief. thank you very much. and the yes in the can off correspondence 11 and thank you very much both for talking to us on this while these are all people say that almost every family knows someone who had a loved one killed by him. us now been abi, whose mother was the victim of the october 7th attack. she has how horrific story and my mother was in the keyboards and my niece was in to keep what's as well. and it's 8 o'clock, saturday, 8 o'clock in the morning. we woke up,

it was because we heard that something is going going on down south. so i called my mom. and she knew that there was the nice, those were being fired from guys out, but she didn't realize that they were homeless. and people coming inside the keyboards. and i just told her to um, to go and hide in the safe room in the closets and to turn the television off and to put the phone on silence and to just wait in the closet. and so she did room and from 8 o'clock in the morning and to it was 130 in the afternoon. we kept on texting. i thought i was texting my mom and my niece was in an in another house. my mother was alone in her house. and all the time she said there's crazy gunshots and yelling and screaming, and she was terrified of from what was going on. and. and then at 130 in the afternoon we just lost connection. and we didn't know what was going on

until i think it was one day later when we realized that she was murdered. people asked me if i feel rage. i feel said this, i feel great, great, great, that's and grief. and i don't even feel anger. i wish i had the solution. i wish i had the solution. i don't know what the solution is anymore, but i can tell you of this. the people who are living in the keyboards of people who wanted to leave next to the people in gaza. the people who gave money donations and helps people from guy. and i know that some of the people from guys who came, we're not only come us there also because since we came to c o 2 hurts. so i don't know if we've so much hatred. there's a chance for peace. i really deep in my heart. i hope so. but i really don't know. i really don't know. all right, that's the all big this alice stay with all change national for the latest from around the globe. i'll see you again. the

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