latrice or their religion because these are all are human values, and this is our morality is right. must oppose oppose these values to many amongst believe that beyond anything is right by simple within good score. they are not, instead of sending within stories, read, send delegations, to open and immediate, and viable back to peace. we are hearing country after country from the islamic and arab world can damage the actions of israel and putting them in the context of the ongoing occupation that the palestinian space there been moaning, the civilian casualties, the depths that have taken place of the attacks that have taken place and what they see is blatant violation of international law. quite intense words that we are hearing at the un general assembly. now this is the u. n. g a. where every member state gets to speak. that's a 193 countries. when israel to the floor of the un general assembly, they emphasize referring to him off as a terrorist organization,

claiming that their actions were militarily necessary to defeat terrorism to route out to moss, which they equated without kite. uh uh they compared recent attacks to $911.00. of course the palestinians had a very, very different interpretation of events. nothing can justify world crimes, crime against humanity. and genocide. nothing can justify the killing of a single student. enjoyed talking is read, is it more with the general cybill jihad this come us stare organization? only it is the law abiding democracy is read against modern day, not sees. you are shipping us back a few years by trying to justify what is what it is doing. now. 20 days have gone by and is really still counting her that it takes weeks to collect all of the

bodies. somebody's are burned like pieces of cold. it is almost impossible to identify them who can believe that those killed by is an odd for 70 percent children and women and that entire families were killed. what is it a it is trying to minimize civilian, did they kill all of us? they killed thousands of us and they say they are trying to minimize killing civilians. how would it look like if they were trying to maximize killing palestinian civilians? it's worth noting that israel and its allies around the world have been calling for the un secretary general to step down because they say his comments were offensive to israel. but that call doesn't seem to really be going anywhere. the major

countries in the world seemed to have the back of antonio gutierrez, and he's not going to be stepping down for the comments that he made. however, israel certainly doesn't appreciate some of the way he's harshly criticized their activities are, does that fall starting into a busy friday here or not to your news, unfiltered, returning the . the hello and welcome to cross stuff. we're all things are considered. i'm peter live out. the western world is given is real, a green light to exact revenge in the wake of a mouse as attack on october 7th and doing so. the west is made it clear international humanitarian law. and the rules of war are subjective and arbitrary. some lives for more valuable than others,

the cross talking palestine. i'm joined by my guest, ryan christian and franklin. he is found are an editor of the last american vagabond and the host of the daily wrap up inside. and we cross the side. yeah, so to raleigh, he is assistant professor of political science at the institute for humanities and cultural studies. and in budapest we cross the jordan, samuel, we, he is a pod cast or at the geico which can be found on youtube and locals. are gentlemen cross our goals and the fact that means you can jump any time i want you want, and i always appreciate it. let's go to the professor in into that, and i'd like to read you a fragment that uh, and it was uh, stated by the secretary general of the united nations, apparently, well, what i'm about to read is very, very controversial. i want your thoughts. it is also important to recognize the attacks by how miles did not happen in a vacuum. the palestinian people had been subjected to 56 years of suffocating

occupation. is there any errors in that? those 2 sentences there because i've read it about 50 times and i don't see what's wrong with it, but apparently the, the, the people, the powers that be in the west think this is an atrocity in itself. go ahead and put on the, i think what is going on and guess is that its design is preparing for land invasion. and i want to ask that especially why is the expert paying for line invasion? and by the degree, like you mentioned, is being given by the western leaders to desire to engage guys a try. so the question we should to get the operation alleged are strong from these right to point of view. first of all, you have experienced an unprecedented instead of just failure, of seeing as could successfully hide or phases of operational problem. you guys are, is there is intelligent service and it's complicated. this find acknowledges. it means that this can happen. and again and again in the future. so the people who

have promised, i mean is right, is the residence of the occupied territories. the people who were promised to leave it in normal life india, goodbye to if there is no chance of where it is that it's not the safe place to be there. as margaret had already started, and certainly the interest by and dismissed at the end of is read is near no population. no country is such a situation. the only be left to compensate for this test will be failure she occupied guess why come us off from years and create this search empty for the residence? i get the better is that the source of the 3 that these come boss is completely eliminated? israel, she well my wonder if i could an interrupt here and go to franklin. i go to ryan and franklin, and i agree that that is the stated goal it but to get rid of hamas, you're going to have to get rid of the population at the same time. my point is in

a my introduction i was suggesting is that the west is culpable, and in alignment with israel and competing with is nothing less than genocide. go head, right? yeah, yeah, yeah. it is an objective reality. what you just said, man, this is what so frustrating about this entire conversation. as you a so delicately put in the beginning. it's a very clearly revealing that they do not care about all of the things that they, you know, the so called roles based international order clearly only applies when they want it to. right. i mean, these are like the things i always maintain, that i want. i want my audience and everybody listening to understand and these are objective realities. the united nations as always, maintains this isn't occupied territory. and because that's a reality, that means that under the geneva conventions any occupied territory has the legal right to arms struggle armed rebellion. that means that come off, his actions as the resistance of one of the factions, of resistance of gaza, of the policy in people was a legally protected act. now,

once crimes that might have been or were committed after that were committed. now those are crimes sort of like when us military commit rape or murder or anything else that happens overseas. those are crimes, it doesn't then immediately invalidate the action if it weren't legal of a military action. but chance to answer your 1st question. this is so frustrating because what was stated by the united nations is so blatantly obvious and even more so how frustrating it is that it took him 16 days of indiscriminate, 24 hour bombing of civilian locations before he said that and then they, they, they go so far as to attack him on the un revoke they are you there, they're devil at access or it and then also and literally condemn them and ask for them to resign before stating an objective reality. you know, just shows you that the they're trying to whitewash the actions against civilians and gaza. now on that point, if you could let me continue for one more 2nd, i think it's important that we understand that there is no way to remove. but we,

if you're bombing places where there are civilians present, whether or not they claim they're using as human shields, and we can get into that which the u. n is investigated and found that i'm off hasn't been doing that. but that means that you are still committing a crime that's collected punishment. political is now writing or goals about how it's now somehow legal because they're using them as human shields. we know that if anybody else was doing this, they would be treating them like, like the criminal that they should be treated as. so it's just, it's, it's a grotesque and what they're doing is white washing the crimes. they would have a hold of anybody else accountable for what you know, george is going to budapest here. george, you know, it's really quite remarkable. is that, um, uh, they've been logged in and said, because these governments in the west were elected, that means the people that elected these governments that are committing crimes against arabs and muslims. they are legitimate targets. so that western media in the western political role, this adopted been loggins doctrine because, well, the, the american people apparently voted for joe biden. and joe biden is doing this. do you see how perverse this logic is?

because then, but then then, you know, you can turn around say, well, benjamin netanyahu was elected. so all the people that voted for him or are taught a legitimate targets as well. i mean, it's all very perverse, but it's being adopted george. indeed in the irony to what you just said, which is that hamas is boys described in the western media as not legitimate representative of the palestinian b, but not even the legitimate representative of the people of gaza. indeed, gaza is often described as a military dictatorship, which means that it's even less of your justification to punish the people of gaza for the alleged depredations of thomas. i mean, at least with the case of been live, is that where you have these democratic elections you, you, you, you know, you say they're all democratic and therefore the people have chosen but

ministrations that are one after another kind of assumed the same policy in the middle east, for example, all unconditional support for his role. so therefore this has no descent, as far as the political elite is concerned in the united states, on the issue of israel, apple. it says the reason that the american people are guilty of all the crimes of israel because it's a ridiculous piece of logic, but it can indeed be applied to israel. and so therefore, the, they get all the argue this, all of this, all the, you know, crimes you know, the game targeting civilians. well, yes, it's true that thomas a target the civilians in the, on october the 7th. but they also targeted military, like i said, they have attacked the ministry basis, which is kind of similar to what most of the countries do with united states. uh only the bombs, it bumps military diet. it also attacks the civilian charges. so therefore,

with the little the attempt to suggest that how much exclusively attacked a civilians august is completely wrong. but it's don't deliberately just suggest the somehow what happened on october. the 7 in is like all the cause. it was just simply an attempt to eradicate the jewish people. it's a completely false narrative, but you know what is perpetrated in order to adjust the box? anything that israel wants to do well, and of course, george, nothing happened before october 7th. we everything was call and everyone was happy . everyone was saying and come by a, let's go back to the professor in, in town. and your 1st answer to me you, you talked about the, the, the end of israel, the, the, the, the, the existential threat that is real faces right now. that is very real and you know, as we wait i, i tend to think that there will not be a mass of ground invasion because they'll just lose and they don't want to lose. and there are, but there are people in israel, they want

a preemptive strike on has, has the law up north, i think that is very bad calculation as well. your thoughts and to that and go ahead of the look as you have seen by the certain model of the metro and the french president has a old warrant is read about the ground invasion neither by then nor matron. us are concerned about palestinian. this is crystal clear for them that the ground immeasurably create. it caught my eye for his lightning. guess why? you know, when these $360.00 drum unit score meters area was there, it was under the occupational is right in the hands of duration including shuttle. i used to work 10 to describe these read difficulties and guys. finally, there isn't quite a bit through it's meetings or forces from guys in 2005. this happened to the time to pursuing as we're fighting bit store and not with me sides capable of reaching columbia. we're over muslim world not tolerated to ground invasion just as a mistake could activate other on t is right. forces and duration is right. is order depth barbecue. yeah. it is

already at the water. we live in them. in case of agree off golf invasion is right, it should prepare itself to flight and multi front of lot that it's been not be capable of fighting cannot because it lacks strategic. did you know? so did you give is a term immunization and to show that diversity, this passes between the process lies and the heart to that is right next it, i'm wondering if the residence of the occupied territories, i've spent enough time in the recent years learned swimming this, your lot it's very interesting, ryan, because this is the, the strategic dilemma that israel spaces and, and it's a dilemma that it created for itself in the, what we've been, wow, those investigative study, this is, it's a 56 years in the making. know and should be surprised by this. go ahead before we go to the break. yeah, well i mean, really we're talking about 75 years plus if you want to get really specific about it in regard to occupation, but, you know, the, the, the legal state of israel is

a legal reality. right? so we have to always go from there. we have to understand that this is an illegal occupation, but you know, there's, there's a lot of new wants to it. obviously it's been going on a really long time, and there's people innocent people on all sides. and i think that's what this conversation needs to. what we're trying to make clear or is it in a support? the whole point is all the programs i'm making about. this is there's contacts folks. there's contacts, and when we have context, then we can have a discussion, gentlemen, i'm going to jump in here. we're going to go to a short break, and after that short break, we'll continue our discussion on palestine state will talk to the the the,

the welcome back across that were all things are considered. i'm peter will build to remind you we're discussing palestine. the okay, let's go back to george in, in budapest, george, we've seen the ongoings at the security council going nowhere. and it's basically the united states and its allies, that just insist on repeating over and over again. in every way possible fashion,

you know, is really has the right to self defense. well, yeah, it does. okay. i don't know what the argument is here, but actually it's, it's code. it's a coded narrative to say because it has the right to self defense. it can do anything, it wants to in response, and that is the they the, the catch right there. and that's why other countries on the security council won't go along with it, because then they would be complacent in ethnic cleansing and genocide. george, that's exactly right. it's, it's a bizarre kind of a talking point is, or it has a right to self defense, which means the israel can do whatever it likes and then the car all the way over that is the cost of the attack on this. nebula is kind of the arab uranium. well, well, they don't recognize that these rails white to exist. of course that's also totally untrue because supposedly do but the issue a big deal except that anyone can, i mean no one has a right to exist, but the issue is of course what the,

what are the final borders of the state of israel and that, that is pretty much in the dispute, but the been going back to you appointed by the united nations. it isn't the that's the old of the united states. and it's out i'd say as well, this is an attack on the jews, the jewish people. and they have full says, we don't want to repeat the holocaust, you know, we have to give essentially the jewish people, a blank check or whatever they want. i mean, this was very much the interest reiterated by the battle of the german foreign ministers as we in germany. have a special bond with israel because of a terrible pause. and that for, we always have to support israel and it goes it's, it's completely nonsensical because anything that you do have still to be in conformity with international humanitarian law. just saying that when you have a right to defend yourself, yes, you have a right to defend yourself, but you don't have a right to use

a risk. disproportionate pause and you don't have a ride to violate all these norms. if it's a national human, you manage their lowest, such as cutting off a civilian population from food awards of electricity. uh few hold. uh that is obviously a violation of to say that the somehow is about our right to defend ourselves, but it's obviously a line. well, no it, this is, it calls to suspend morality is what it's all about and, and it's an exception only this time, well, no international humanitarian law should apply all the time to everyone. it's really quite remarkable. i want to say this to all my guess is real, is a child is the child abuse nighted nations. united nations made is real. okay. and, and of all countries to defy its rules and resolutions, you know, that's never pointed out here is go back to the professor, intent on. i'm sure professor, do you notice that uh, what it was that there's a, a, an echo of the, a post $911.00, a war on global pair and of course,

era and is always in the center of it all. okay, so let me get this straight. people under occupation in gaza break out of an open air prison attack is re lease including civilians. and so the united states has to attack around can you explain that logic to me because i'm not sure i get it. if the united states could take, you know, on it, have it had, it would have done it induce of 4 to 5 years. it is not able to do so. and look at this now, and that's it. guess you're on, you're going to guess is right. again, guess about us sending us the risk as no longer be able to, to, to interfere to save yours. right? for the same reason that it couldn't topple a legitimacy and call them into a mattress. and for the same reason that it couldn't be sent me to it, the direction borders but

a sanders and that they couldn't embed it on despite frequently claiming that the options are on the table is equal options are not under the table. the both today is very different from what it was a decade or 2 ago. and there's no reason for your eyes interferes, but us in the us are strong enough. there is, there's just us forces injuries and are at their strongest position in history and is right. and it's based as supporters are at their biggest position. so i think how most so it is the best time to take it back to the occupied territories. i think a good it will be no war, no massacre to march the end of user an end of the user. we'd be marked by then by an event creation division. but we saw enough understanding about the use me to forces be to repeat this for the she deserves and residents of the territories. my suggestion is that if the vista and the doors are concerned about

the lives of designers issues provide free slide services for the white forces to anywhere in the world. they have come from. there's no need for and a lot of war the united states is not able to raise your bar as well they, they may try ryan and that and the, the, the worry is that they might fail. i don't think hezbollah. 1 is afraid of 2 aircraft carriers i may use manage, right. i don't think they're afraid of it. i mean they, they've had their fighters in syria, they're prepared, they've been waiting. i would say from their perspective for a situation like this new arise for a very long time. and these riley's fear has blah, they definitely feel. but you know, overall, just kind of an overarching thing. here. it is really the pathetic state of the west where head gemini, trump's humanity, i mean, they have the language of humanitarian rights and they've, they tried, they and they use it as a use it as

a cultural very often around the world. but it's really hollow in its meaning because if there is an exception, then the rule doesn't work. go ahead, ryan. yeah, and this is a classic tactic. and i mean, you can look back through all of that and pretty much all of us foreign policy. you the joke i often make all my show is that there are bad in 0, right? they claim we're fighting for freedom. we're trying to get freedom to these countries and they and they topple and destroy and leave it in a row. and then go to the next one and the next one. and so either they are the worst possible country in the world that actually starting freedom, or maybe they're not actually trying to spread freedom. you know, it's like why we let that continue is beyond me, libya left as you know, it's open slay market. now just warring factions and we just never talk about that . it was, you know, over and over and over. so they don't have the moral high ground here. i think what you're pointing out is important that they use these terms in order to control the perception and literally the actions of other people and including their allies. i mean, look at what happened with north string pipeline and germany. i mean, it's very clear. these people are the very ones that they act like their

adversaries are in regard to the disregard for international law. you know, so nobody's your whole, they're standing as legitimate. right? we need to, i mean like the, i forget the person's name and i wish i remember it right now, but a palestinian representative on, i believe it was, bbc made a very, very important point. the only saying that the palestinian resistance and the policy of representatives are actually asking for, at this moment is the equal application of international law. think about how important an obvious that isn't. yeah, for us to what, what a radical idea isn't it just, it just saying the obvious is extraordinary, you know, towards, you know, it was, we were brought up to, to hate around the media. and, you know, we had all the think tanks and all of that. and you know, here, here we go, this is kind of how it's frame of the crazy mo, of the crazy people and cut out over and over again. demonizing them denigrating them. but this is exactly how western leaders act right now. okay. they're the ones that are fanatics. there they have lost their mind. george. that's exactly right.

that is very amusing that the so there is this logic be oxidized by uh, width and leaders, especially in the united states that because iran the support the high loss. and because he runs the boards the, his bow a and the other. a proxy poll says iran must be bones, and this has been said by lindsay graham is by said by uh, joseph lieberman, former vice presidential candidates. i didn't even know lieberman was still alive and to leave the house that i didn't know that. okay, i thought i thought that we moved on to greener pastures. okay. yeah, so lead me to, but, but that's it. but, but why does it all the iran is therefore a legitimate target? because the, when it comes to ukraine, they don't say that they, the nato powers are legitimate targets for essentially bank rolling into the bolting and arming um, the ukraine, which went out of pocket to the counseling. so again, it's an ellipse,

the inconsistency. but the problem is our way, if we stop escalating as well, and this is this, the, the issue that one wants to talk about is that is why has nuclear weapons in this room, unlike anyone else is ready to use the, i mean, we know our roof was israel, it so if so if it is indeed of these rows, destiny to be involved in a multi front wall, that is in danger of losing as well. we would use use a weapon. so, and i don't think is any doubt about that. so it's a, it's a very dangerous situation, um and uh, and then in this one that so you know, we have the concept and we're able to do because no one has attempted to restrain is what it is or what to use new day. what was, what would model van and the rest of them say is right as a right to defend it. somebody has the right. so let's go back to the professor. we're rapidly running out of time. i really do, i'm glad george brought up the issue of nuclear weapons because i also think it

considering how these railways want to destroy a mouse, which means we'll have to destroy all the palestinians that they could resort to weapons of mass destruction. maybe not a new killer weapon, but other ones. i mean white phosphorus they, they use it on a regular basis now apparently, and no, no one calls them out on your thoughts be as we end the program, go ahead. oh no, it is. and will not be able to use nuclear because because as you see a, the, a how most forces have you not be killed by nuclear weapons need your services are going to destroyed your data. people is right, is fucking come off. the option is not due for a nuclear, for me to service on the option is going and to invade an inmate from the ground. and if it's not, we did not succeed. as i said, it is not capable of invading guys different almost from the grounds because homeless has prepared and planned for it. but i look for it a lot bar and,

and if is right in tears, because a problem live and i'm from syria and from some other forces, it needs to be attacked. usually the best plan could destroy is right. so a well gentlemen, gentlemen, were rapidly running out of time. obviously we're going to keep a very close eye on the events here. but one of them the, the, the primary purpose of this program is the show the, the rank of pockets the of the west. when it uses the words of human rights and international human rights law, it's just suffocating lee, a stupid, okay. as all the time we have gentlemen, i think my guess in budapest, for franklin and into around and of course i want to thank our viewers for watching us here. are to see you next time. remember, pass up rules the the

the same wrong just don't to shape out the application and engagement equals the trail. when so many find themselves will support. we choose to look for common ground,

the the, the top headlines right now, what else you can national right there. they are explosions, lighting up the night sky over gaza and the palestinian death build now funding to over 7000 overwhelmed hospital as well to keep up with a flow of casualties. locals continue seeking shelves off in the like. any of the family would have been relocated to a presumably secure place to my parents home. that's how this prefab or in the morning the house was. the idea of confirms that can give us some us intelligence leaders who did says was responsible for organizing the october. the 7th attacked by relatives of those still being held hostage by palestinian militants are urging v as right. the government take immediate action.