quote, the united states does not see conflict and has no intentional desire to engage in the most of these precision self defense strikes are response to a series of ongoing and mostly unsuccessful attacks against us personnel in iraq and syria, by iranian back to militia groups that begin on october 17 that start with us. so taking part and ask strikes on syria that a typically was of israel. washington's full cisco remain on the ground and that oil rich part of the country. and welcome to for years by damascus. and america's booth counts in the region that's on the rise as well as by and as i'm sure you remember, recently dispatched 2000 marines to israel, along with 2 navy, a navy carry a stripe groups of parts of the mediterranean coast. add to that the us i left arriving at the idea base is daily to replenish weapon supplies. we just got the order of this with journalist on oath a daniel bizarre. now he says that by supporting israel washington, it has already been the fact of dried into this country. cus is throwing all its

weight behind this room. it has one aircraft carrier group now off the as rarely coasted issue and have to, uh, it's uh, gonna give uh, uh, israel all the a to can possibly afford it is solidly backing this uh, this work and the, and the more, the more thoroughly a fax the war, the greater it will be drawn into the war. the us has been sitting on the palace demand problem for, for 30 years. i mean the entire oslo peace process, it was a total joke. uh, the palestinians, you know, wow. and up in, in, worse and worse position. so, so finally things exploded and, and i'm like that the us also allowed the netanyahu government to authorize all kinds of fascist po, grommet attacks on the palestinians land seizures. all kinds of outrageous behavior

. and the us turned its eyes away. and so consequently things have exploded. things seem to be quiet for a while, but then they exploded. uh, and now the us has made it has a major warner's hands. it has 2 major wars on his hands. one in the ukraine and the other in a, in the middle east. so i thought is the program for now here in the us international, you know, we've made all the way to friday, but the world isn't coming down anytime soon. did you have a correspondence position across all the hot spots as a unit? o'neill is here with the desk and a half hours time. i do hope you joined the the

hello and welcome to cross stuff where all things are considered on peter without the western world. is given is real, a green light to exact revenge in the wake of a mouse as attack on october 7th and doing so. the west is made it clear international humanitarian law. and the rules of war are subjective and arbitrary. some lives are more valuable than others, the cross talking palestine, i'm joined by my guest, ryan christian and franklin. he is found are an editor of the last american vagabond and the host of the daily wrap ups inside. and we cross the side. yeah, so to raleigh, he is assistant professor of political science at the institute for humanities and cultural studies. and in budapest we cross the jordan, samuel we, he is a pod cast or at the goggle, which can be found on youtube and locals are generally across our girls in effect,

that means you can jump any time i want you want. and i always appreciate it. let's go to the professor in into that, and i'd like to read you a fragment that uh, and it was uh, stated by the secretary general of the united nations, apparently, well, what i'm about to read is very, very controversial. i want your thoughts. it is also important to recognize the attacks by how miles did not happen in a vacuum. the palestinian people had been subjected to 56 years of suffocating occupation. is there any errors in that? those 2 sentences there because i've read it about 50 times and i don't see what's wrong with it, but apparently the, the, the people, the powers that be in the west think this is an atrocity in itself. go ahead and cut on the i think what is going on and guess is that it's design is preparing for land invasion. and i'm going to ask you this question of why is x prepaying for line vision? and by the degree, like you mentioned,

is being given by the vista and leaders to desire to engage guys a transfer the question be should to get the operation electronics from these right. the point of view. first of all, you have experienced an unprecedented instead of just failure of a thing as could successfully hide or phases of just operation from the eyes of israel's intelligence service and is complicated. this find acknowledges, it means that it can happen again and again in the future. so the people who are promised, i mean, is right, is the residence of the occupied territories. the people who were promised to leave it in normal life conducted by to if there is no kind of severe it is that it's not the safe place to be there as margaret has already started. since i'll leave you in test by and dismiss at the end of is read is near no population, no country is such a situation. you only be left to compensate for this test will be failure she

occupied as by thomas off from years and create this search empty for the residence of the architect or thursday at the source of the threat that this time us is completely eliminated. israel, she well my wonder if i could an interrupt here and go to franklin. i go to ryan and franklin, and i agree that that is the stated goal it but to get rid of hamas, you're going to have to get rid of the population at the same time. my point is, and in my introduction i was suggesting is that the west is culpable, and in alignment with israel and competing with is nothing less than genocide. go head, right? yeah, yeah, it is an objective reality. what you just said, man, this is what so frustrating about this entire conversation. as you a so delicately put in the beginning. it's a very clearly revealing that they do not care about all of the things that they, you know, the so called roles based international order clearly only applies when they want

it to. right. i mean, these are like the things i always maintain, that i meant i want my audience and everybody listening to understand and these are objective realities. the united nations as always maintains this is an occupied territory. and because that's a reality, that means that under the geneva conventions any occupied territory has the legal right to arms struggle armed rebellion. that means that come off, his actions as the resistance of one of the passions of resistance of gaza, of the policy in people was a legally protected act. now once crimes that might have been a work committed after that were committed. now those are crimes sort of like when u. s. military commit, rape, or murder or anything else that happens overseas. those are crimes, it doesn't then immediately invalidate the action if it weren't legal of a military action. but to yet, to answer your 1st question, this is so frustrating because what was stated by the united nations is so blatantly obvious and even more so frustrating that it took him 16 days of indiscriminate, 24 hour bombing of civilian locations before he said that and then they, they,

they go so far as to attack him on the un revoke they are you there, they're a devil at access or a and then also and literally condemn them and ask for them to resign. before stating an objective reality. you know, just shows you that the they're trying to whitewash the actions against civilians and gaza. now on that point, it will, if you'll let me continue for one more 2nd, i think it's important that we understand that there is no way to remove. but we, if you're bombing places where there are civilians present, whether or not they claim they're using as human shields, and we can get into that which the u. n is investigated and found that i'm off hasn't been doing that. but that means that you are still committing a crime that's collected punishment. political is now writing or goals about how it's now somehow legal because they're using them as human shields. we know that if anybody else was doing this, they would be treating them like, like the criminal that they should be treated as. so it's just, it's, it's a grotesque and what they're doing is white washing the crimes. they would have a hold of anybody else accountable for what you know, george is go to budapest here. george,

you know it's really quite remarkable. is that, um uh they been logged in and said because these governments in the west were elected. that means the people that elected these governments that are committing crimes against arabs and muslims, they are legitimate targets. so that western media in the western political role, this adopted been loggins' doctrine because, well, the, the american people apparently voted for joe biden. and joe biden is doing this. do you see how perverse this logic is? because then, but then, then, you know, you could turn around say, well, benjamin netanyahu was elected. so all the people that voted for him or are taught a legitimate targets as well. i mean, it's all very perverse, but it's being adopted george. and it has indeed in the irony to what you just said, which is the hamas as boys described in the western media as not legitimate representative of the palestinian b, but not even the legitimate representative of the people of gaza. indeed,

gaza is often described as a military dictatorship, which means that it's even less of your justification to punish the people of god the full, the alleged depredations of thomas. i mean, at least when the guys have been live, is that where you have these democratic elections you, you, you, you know, you say they're all democratic and therefore the people of the chosen, but ministrations that are one off to another kind of dispute. the same policy in the middle east, for example, all unconditional support for his role. so therefore, this has no descent. as far as the political elite is concerned in the united states on the issue of israel, apple, it says the reason that the american people are guilty of all the crimes of israel because it's a ridiculous piece of logic. but it can indeed be applied to israel and so therefore the, they get all the argue this, all of this, all the, you know,

crimes you know, the game targeting civilians. well, yes, it's true that thomas a target the civilians in the, on october the 7th. but they also targeted midland, chicago, so they have attacked the ministry basis, which is kind of similar to what most of the countries do with united states. uh it will be the bombs, it bumps military diet. it also attacks the civilian charges. so therefore, with the little the attempt to suggest but how much exclusively attacked a civilians august is completely wrong. but it's done deliberately to suggest the somehow what happened on october. the 7 in is like all the cause. it was just simply an attempt to eradicate the jewish people. it's a completely false narrative, but you know what is perpetrated in order to adjust the box? anything that israel wants to do well, and of course, george, nothing happened before october 7th we everything was calm. everyone was happy,

everyone was saying and come by a let's go back to the professor in into that. and your 1st answer to me, you, you, you talked about the, the, the end of israel, the, the, the, the, the existential threat that is real faces right now. that is very real and you know, as we wait i, i tend to think that there will not be a mass of ground invasion because they'll just lose and they don't want to lose. and there are, but there are people in israel, they want a preemptive strike on has, has the law up north, i think that is very bad calculation as well. your thoughts and to that and go ahead of the look as you have seen by the certain model and measuring the prince president has a old warrant is read about the ground invasion neither by then nor matron. us are concerned about the kind of standing out it's crystal clear for them that the grounded visually create. it caught my eye for is lighting guess why? you know, when this $362.00, i mean square kilometers area over there, it was under the occupational is right in the hands of the machine including

shuttle. i used to work 10, describe these read difficulties and guys. finally, there is you quite a bit through, it's me, it's you forces from guys in 2005. this happens in a time to pushing as we're fighting good store and not getting these sides capable of reaching to leave rover muslim world not tolerate ground innovation. mistake could activate other auntie is right. forces and duration is right. is order to have the barbecue. yeah, it is already at ward, we live and then in case of agree off golf invasion is right to prepare itself to flight and mazda front of war. that each may not be capable of fighting, cannot because his legs strategic did. you know, so did you get is a term immunization into sort that diversity dispenses between the problem lies and the heart to that? is there a lex it, i'm wondering if the residence of the occupied territories. i've spent enough time in the recent years to learn swimming this your lot. it's very interesting, ryan,

because this is the, the strategic dilemma that israel faces and, and it's a dilemma that it created for itself in the what we've been. wow, those investigative study, this is, it's a 56 years in the making. know, and should be surprised by this. go ahead before we go to the break. yeah, well i mean, really we're talking about 75 years plus if you want to get really specific about it in regard to occupation, but, you know, the, the, the legal state of israel is a legal reality. right? so we have to always go from there. we have to understand that this is an illegal occupation, but you know, there's, there's a lot of nuance to it. obviously it's been going on a really long time and there's people innocent people on all sides. and i think that's what this conversation needs to. what we're trying to make clear as it is what the whole point is. all the programs i'm making about this is there's contacts folks. there's contacts, and when we have context, then we can have a discussion, gentlemen, i'm going to jump in here. we're going to go to a short break, and after that short break, we'll continue our discussion on palestine state will talk to

the welcome back across black were all things are considered. i'm funeral bell to remind you we're discussing palestine. the okay, let's go back to georgia in, in budapest, george. we've seen the ongoing that the security council going nowhere. and it's basically the united states and its allies that just insist on repeating over and over again in every way possible fashion. you know, it has the right to self defense. well, yeah, it does. okay. i don't know what the argument is here, but actually it's, it's code. it's

a coded narrative to say because it has the right to self defense. it can do anything, it wants to in response. and that is that they the, the catch right there. and that's why other countries on the security council won't go along with it, because then they would be complacent in ethnic cleansing and genocide. george, that's exactly right. it's a but saw kind of a, the talking point is where it has a right to sell defense, which means this is real, can do whatever it likes and then the car all the way over that is the cost of the attack on this nebulous kind of arab uranium, well, well they don't recognize these rails why to exist, because that's it also totally untrue because supposedly do but the issue because to the extent that anyone can, i mean nobody has a right to exist. but the issue is, of course, what the, what are the final borders of the state of israel, and that, that is pretty much in the dispute. but the been going back to you appointed by the united nations. it is, and that's all of the united states. and it's out i'd say as well, this is

a tag on the jews, the jewish people, and they have full since we don't want to repeat the holocaust, you know, we have to give essentially the jewish people, a blank check or whatever they want them. and this was very much integrated by the battle of the gentleman, foreign ministers as we in germany. have a special bond with israel because of a terrible pause. and therefore we always have to support israel. and it goes it's, it's completely nonsensical because of anything that you do has still to be in conformity with international humanitarian law. just saying that when you have a right to defend yourself, yes, you have a right to defend yourself, but you don't have a right to use a risk. disproportionate pause and you don't have a ride to violate all these norms that it's a natural human monetary law. such as cutting off

a civilian population from food awards, the electricity, uh few hold of that is obviously a violation of the say the somehow is about all right. to defend ourselves because obviously a live. well no it is. this is a cost is suspend. morality is what it's all about it, and it's an exception only this time. well, no international humanitarian law should apply all the time to everyone. it's really quite remarkable. i want to say this all my guess is real, is a child is the child abuse nighted nations. united nations made is real. okay. and, and of all countries to defy its rules and resolutions. you know, that's never pointed out here. let's go back to the professor, intent on i'm sure professor, do you notice that it would that there's a, a, an echo of the, a post $911.00, a more on global pair and of course, era and is always in the center of it all. okay, so let me get this straight. uh, people, uh,

the under occupation in gaza. break out of an open air prison attack is re lease including civilians. and so the united states has to attack around can you explain that logic to me? cuz i'm not sure i get it. united states could take, you know, on it's have it, it would have done it in do so it's 4 to 5 years. it is not able to do so and look at this. no, that's it. guess you're on. you're going to guess is right, again, guess about us sending us the risk as no longer be able to to, to interfere to save yours. right? for some reason that it couldn't topple the legitimacy and call them into a mattress. and for the same reason that it couldn't be sent me to it, the direction products for the sanders and that it couldn't embed you're on despite frequently claiming that the options are on the table. deceitful options are not under the table. the both today is very different from what it was

a decade or 2 ago. and there's no reason for your eyes interferes that us in the us are strong enough. there is, there's just us forces injuries and are at their strongest position in history. and is it, and it's based as supporters are at their biggest position. so i think how most so it is the best time to take back the occupied territories. i think a good it will be no war, no massacre to march. the end of the is in the end of the israel, we'd be marked by then by an event creation division. but we saw enough understanding about the use me to forces be repeated just for the she deserves and residents of the territories. my suggestion is that if the vista and the doors are concerned about the lives of designers issues provide free slide services for the so the occupied forces to anywhere in the world. they have come from. there's no

need for on the last war the united states is not able to raise your bar as well. they, they may try, ryan and that, and the, the, the worry is that they might fail. i don't think has paws afraid of 2 aircraft carriers. and they use management, i don't think they're afraid of it. i mean they, they've had their fighters in syria, they're prepared, they've been waiting, i would say, from their perspective for a situation like this through a rise for a very long time. and these riley's fear has full law, they definitely fear. but you know, overall, just kind of an overarching thing. here. it is really the pathetic state of the west where had gemini from humanity. i mean, they have the language of humanitarian rights and they've, they tried, they and they use it as a use it as a console, very often around the world. but it's really hollow in its meaning because if there is an exception, then the rule doesn't work. go ahead, right? yeah, and this is a classic tactic. and i mean,

you can look back through all of that and pretty much all of us foreign policy. the joe graph and make on my show is that they're batting 0, right? they claim we're fighting for freedom, we're trying to give freedom to these countries and they and they topple and destroy and leave it in a row and then and go to the next one and the next one. and so either they are the worst possible country in the world, actually starting freedom, or maybe they're not actually trying to spread freedom. you know, it's like why we let that continue is beyond me, libya left as a, you know, open slay market. now, just warring factions and we just never talk about that, it was, you know, over and over and over. so they don't have the moral high ground here. i think what you're pointing out is important that they use these terms in order to control the perception and literally the actions of other people and including their allies. i mean, look at what happened with north stream pipeline and germany. i mean, it's very clear, these people are the very ones that they act like their adversaries are in regard to a disregard for international law. you know, so nobody's your hold, they're standing as legitimate, right? we need to, i mean, but i forget the person's name and i wish i remember it right now, but

a palestinian representative on, i believe it was, bbc made a very, very important point. the only thing that the palestinian resistance and the policy and representatives are actually asking for at this moment is the equal application of international law. think about how important obvious that is and you know, pretty well what, what a radical idea isn't it just, i'm just saying the obvious is extraordinary, you know, towards, you know, it, it was, we were brought up to, to hate around the media. i, you know, we had all the think tanks and all of that. and you know, here, here we go, this is kind of how it's frame of the crazy mall of the crazy people and cut out over and over again demonizing them denigrating them. but this is exactly how western leaders act right now. okay. they're the ones that are fanatics, they're, they've lost their mind. george, that's exactly right. that is very amusing that the so there is this logic be oxidized by uh, width and leaders, especially in the united states that because iran, uh,

this supported. uh huh. and because it runs the boards, uh as well. uh and the other uh, proxy pool is, is um, iran must be bones. and this has been said by lindsay graham is by said by uh, joseph lieberman, former vice presidential candidates. i didn't even know lieberman was still alive and to leave the notes. i didn't know that. okay, i thought i thought that we moved on to greener pastures. okay. yeah. me too. but, but that's the, all the iran is there for a legitimate target, because the, when it comes to ukraine, they don't say that they, the nato powers are legitimate targets for essentially bank rolling and supporting an ami um the ukraine. right. what would when auto body to the complex? so again, it's an ellipse, the inconsistency. but the problem is our way, if we stop escalating as well. and this is this, the, the issue that one wants to talk about is that is what has nuclear weapons in this

room, unlike anyone else is ready to use the, i mean, we know how ruthless is realistic. so if so, if it is indeed these rows, destiny to be involved in a multi front wall, that it was in danger of losing as well. we would use use a weapon. so, and i don't think is any doubt about that. so it's a, it's a very dangerous situation. um and uh, and then in this one that so, you know, we've come to an weird because no one has attempted to restrain is what it is or what to use new day. what was, what would model van? and the rest of them say is right as a right to defend it, slightly higher 0. right. so let's go back to the professor. we're rapidly running out of time. i really do. i'm glad george brought up the issue of nuclear weapons because i also think it considering how these railings want to destroy a mouse, which means we'll have to destroy all the palestinians that they could resort to weapons of mass destruction. maybe not a nuclear weapon, but other ones. i mean white foss, squarespace, they use it on

a regular basis now apparently, and no, no one calls them out on your thoughts. we as we end the program, go ahead. oh no, it is and will not be able to use new jersey at times because as you see it, the how most forces have really not be killed by nuclear because need your services are going to destroy the order of people is right. is fighting, come us. the option is not due for a nikiya, meek service on the option is going and to invade an inmate from the ground and is where it was not. we did not succeed. as i said, it is not capable of the invading guys from from the grounds because i'm was, has prepared and planned for it. but i look for a lot bar and, and if is right, interest goes a little bit. i'm from syria and from some other forces. it's me to be attacked.

usually the best plan to destroy is right. so a well gentlemen, gentlemen, were rapidly running out of time. obviously we're going to keep a very close eye on the events here, but one of them the, the, the primary purpose of this program is to show the, the rank of populace the, of the west when it uses the words of human rights and international human rights. law, it's just suffocating lee, a stupid. okay. as all the time we have gentlemen, i think my guess in budapest, for franklin and into around and of course i want to thank our viewers for watching us here. are to see you next time. remember, pass that rules the in the den. yes. i love you. done boss my names. so

furious maximus crane. i'm an american citizen and then yes, which is why i'm here to show you back to do the west the truth. and as you can see, my government supplied weapons of struck for civilian area. this isn't a military target, this is a, a grocery store. oh, my gosh, i can't imagine how these people have looked like this for 9 years. and there are children here. i'm telling you that have died because of my government's the united states governments. funding of this list more. i'm big baby here in a civilian civilians. right here. you can see an impact of the seas are. so this makes me angry. i'm sorry. oh, i mean, i know, but still you know, you feel responsible as an america to,

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. the explosions lights off the night sky over guns, the post the palestinian death toll climes to over 7000 with overwhelmed hospitals working to keep up with the flow of casualties from is really are a strikes local seek shelter like any of the family. we have been relocated to a presumably secure place. my parents home to the houses. we have family in the morning, the house was pump. the idea of confirms the killing of a most intelligent leader who it say's is responsible for organizing the october 7 mazda attack us relatives of hostages held by us. the militants encourage the it's really government to take immediate action.