jordan and china were the kind of they were still good and to lock rogers with the as riley, so they would talk to them. they would help in mediate try to bring calm to the situation. that's not the situation now. it just in the last 48 hours we, we, you had air to one of the turkey, but declare home us as a totally warriors. they were not, they were not. tears insisted on which in rage is released. but the left of l throughout the turkey itself would intervene militarily on behalf of home, us the queen of george, to wait in with the double standards of the west. how appalling, that is. and then china, who's been israel's 3rd, the 3rd or largest trading partner in egypt off just late in to the is really ambassador aragon at the united nations. the other day you and security council. so uncharacteristic of the chinese to the take him on so directly. and because usually

the chinese pretty nuanced. so, but with all of this is real still. i salacious, it's growing. and unfortunately, i've seen parallels between how b b netanyahu talks and reacts with the light below diverse, so, so lensky and ukraine, they both, they both have a tendency to say things out loud that are better left unsaid. and to start tipping their hand when, if they're really serious about conduct, the military operations, the all to shut off. yeah. change as indeed would have to leave it. but i find cute cities ca analyst lowery doesn't involve much. let's say thank you so much for joining me in today. thank you, nancy. are now the un generous. general assembly has adult to the dual damien draft resolution quoted for an immediate and sustained to my advances between the very forces on time as well as, as in gaza. and as well as the on him,

the provision of life saving supplies and services. so those besieged inside the on glass. suppose the boss is a 120 volts and save us 14 the games 145, up to the nation's fire and emergency session. cool. but to address the issue, the united states am, is a voted against the document while you claim kind of a job many voted in favor of a cease fire and fire sign egypt and was for a long time who by their own age to gauze, i stopped to population displacement as well as the, you know, costly. we consider unacceptable to block the supply basic necessities with resolutely opposed to false to displacement in genocide or people i. e, quote, any attempts in any way to displace the palestinian people from the territories or the move in 2 neighboring states for the 3rd time in history, relying on defense of the pretext or any of the arguments any such attempt should be met with the strongest possible res phones they should be categorically rejected

. well, bye. so from me today my colleague mike of what will be with you at the top of the i'm, i'm on the hello and welcome to the cross stuff. we're all things are considered on peter lavelle. the western world is given is real, a green light, to exact revenge in the wake of a mazda is attack on october 7th, and doing so. the west is made it clear international humanitarian law, and the rules of war are subjective and arbitrary. some lives are more valuable

than others. the a cross. ok in palestine, i'm joined by my guess. ryan christian and franklin. he is found are an editor of the last american vagabond and the host of the daily wrap up inside and we crossed the site. yeah. so to raleigh, he is assistant professor of political science at the institute for humanities and cultural studies. and in budapest we cross the george samuel we. he is a pod cast or at the goggle, which can be found on youtube and locals. are gentlemen across our girls in effect, that means you can jump any time i want you want, and i always appreciate it. let's go to the professor in into that, and i'd like to read you a fragment that uh, it was uh, stated by the secretary general of the united nations. apparently what i'm about to read is very, very controversial. i want your thoughts. it is also important to recognize the attacks by how miles did not happen in a vacuum. the palestinian people had been subjected to 56 years of suffocating

occupation. is there any errors in that? those 2 sentences there because i've read it about 50 times and i don't see what's wrong with it, but apparently the, the, the people, the powers that be in the west think this is an atrocity in itself. go ahead and cut on the i think what is going on and guess is spent is there and is preparing for a land invasion. and i want to ask that especially the white stripes, prepaying for line invasion. and by the degree, like you mentioned, is being given by the vista and leaders to desire to engage because a, a tragedy in question we should get. the operation alleged are strong from these right point of view. first of all, you have experienced an unprecedented instead of just failure, of seeing as could successfully hide or phases of this operation from the eyes of israel's intelligence service. and it's complicated, this find acknowledges. it means that this can happen. and again and again in the

future. so the people who have promised, i mean is right, is the residence of the occupied territories. the people who were promised to leave it in normal life, india goodbye took. there is no kind of severe. it is that it's not the safe place to be there as migration has already started. since i'll leave you in test by and dismiss that. the end of is read is near no population. no country is such a situation. the only be left to compensate for disc tests will be failure. she occupied as a boy come us off from the earth and create this search empty for the residence of the architect or is that the source of the threat at this time us is completely eliminated. israel, she well my wonder if i could an interrupt here and go to franklin. i go to ryan and franklin, and i agree that that is the stated goal. but to get rid of hamas,

you're going to have to get rid of the population at the same time. my point is in a my introduction i was suggesting is that the west is culpable. and in alignment with israel and competing with is nothing less than genocide. go head, right? yeah, yeah, yeah. it is an objective reality what you just said and this is what so frustrating about this entire conversation. as you a so delicately put the beginning. it's very clearly revealing that they do not care about all of the things that they, you know, the so called rules based international order clearly only applies when they want it to. right. i mean, these are like the things i always maintain, that. i mean, i want my audience and everybody listening to understand and these are objective realities. the united nations has always maintained this isn't occupied territory. and because that's a reality, that means that under the geneva conventions any occupied territory has the legal right to arms struggle armed rebellion. that means that come off as actions as the resistance of one of the factions, of resistance of gaza, of the policy,

the people was a legally protected act. now once crimes that might have been a work committed actor that were committed. now those are crimes sort of like when u. s. military commit, rape, or murder or anything else that happens overseas. those are crimes, it doesn't then immediately invalidate the action if it weren't legal of a military action. but chance to answer your 1st question. this is so frustrating because what was stated by the united nations is so blatantly obvious and even more so how frustrating it is that it took him 16 days of indiscriminate, 24 hour bombing of civilian locations before he said that and then they, they, they go so far as to attack him on the un revoke there you there, there devil at access or it and then also literally condemn them and ask for them to resign before stating an objective reality. you know, just shows you that the they're trying to whitewash the actions against civilians in gaza. now done that, pointed to it and let me continue for one more. second, i think it's important that we understand that there is no way to remove the li if

you're bombing places where there are civilians present. whether or not they claim they're using as human shields. and we can get into that which the u. n. is investigated and found that i'm off hasn't been doing that, but that means that you are still committing a crime that's collecting punishment. political is now writing or goals about how it's now somehow legal because they're using them as human shields. we know that if anybody else was doing this thing would be treating them like, like the criminal that they should be treated as. so it just, it's just, it's a grotesque and what they're doing is white washing the crimes. they would have a hold of anybody else accountable for what you know, george is go to budapest here. george, you know, it's really quite remarkable is that they've been logged in and said, because these governments in the west were elected, that means the people that elected these governments that are committing crimes against arabs and muslims. they are legitimate targets. so that western media in the western political world is adopted, been loggins doctrine because, well, the uh, the american people apparently voted for joe biden. and joe biden is doing this. do

you see it? how perverse this logic is? because then, but then then, you know, you can turn around say, well, benjamin netanyahu was elected. so all the people that voted for him or are taught a legitimate targets as well. i mean, it's all very perverse, but it's being adopted. george, it is indeed in the irony to what you just said, which is that hamas is boys described in the western media as not more legitimate representative of the palestinian people. not even the legitimate representative of the people all gaza. indeed, gaza is often described as a military dictatorship, which means that it's even less of your justification to punish the people of gaza for the alleged depredations of thomas. i mean, at least with the case of been live, is that where you have these democratic elections you, you, you, you know, you say they're all democratic and therefore the people of the chosen but

ministrations that all one after another have assumed the same policy in the middle east, for example, of unconditional support for his role. so therefore, this has no descent, as far as the political elite is concerned in the united states on the issue of israel, apple. it says the reason that the whole american people are guilty of all the crimes of israel or cause it's a ridiculous piece of logic, but it can indeed be applied to this, right? and so therefore, the, you know, the, the argue with this, all of this is a little, you know, crimes you know, the game targeting civilians. well yes, it's true that thomas a targeted a civilians in the uh, were on october the 7th, but they also targeted um military, like i said, they attacked the ministry basis, which is kind of similar to what most other countries do with united states. uh only the bombs, it bumps military diet. it also attacks civilian targets. so they have over the

little the attempt to suggest that almost exclusively attacks civilians august is completely wrong. but it's done deliberately to suggest the somehow what happened on october. the 7 in is like all the cost, it was just simply an attempt to eradicate the jewish people. it's a completely falls narrative, but you know what is perpetrated in order to adjust it, but anything that israel wants to do well, and of course, george, nothing happened before october 7th we everything was calm. everyone was happy. everyone was thing and come by a, let's go back to the professor in, in town. and your 1st answer to me, you, you, you talked about the, the, the end of israel, the, the, the, the, the excess dental correct. that is real faces right now. that is very real and you know, as we wait i, i tend to think that there will not be a massive ground invasion because they'll just lose and they don't want to lose. and there are, but there are people in israel. they want

a pre emptive strike on the has, has the law up north. i think that is very bad calculation as well. your thoughts into that and go ahead of the look as you have seen by the certain model of the metro and the french president has a old warrant is read about the ground invasion neither by then nor matron. us are concerned about palestinian is crystal clear for dim that the ground immeasurably create. it caught my eye for his lightning. guess why? you know, when these $360.00, i mean square kilometers area was there it was under the occupational is, are in the hands of diversion including shuttle just the war 10. describe these read difficulties and guys. finally, there is you quite a bit through, it's mean it's your forces from guys in 2005. this happened to the time to pursuing as we're fighting bit store and not with besides capable of reaching columbia roll over. muslim world not tolerate ground invasion just as a mistake could activate other auntie is right. forces and duration is right. is

order to have the water which you yeah, it is already at water. we live in them. in case of agree off golf invasion is right. it should prepare itself to flight and multi front of our that it's been not be capable of fighting, cannot because it's less strategic. did you know? so did you give is a term administered interest or that diversity? this task has been screened across lies and the heart to that is right next it. i'm wondering if the residence of job 2 by 2 or 3 step spend enough time in the recent years, learn swimming this. your not. it's very interesting, ryan, because this is the, the strategic dilemma that israel faces and, and it's a dilemma that it created for itself in the what we've been. well, those investigative study, this is, it's a 56 years in the making. no one should be surprised by this. go ahead before we go to the break. yeah, well i mean, really we're talking about 75 years plus if you want to get really specific about it in regard to occupation, but, you know, the, the, the legal state of israel is

a legal reality. right? so we have to always go from there. we have to understand that this is an illegal occupation, but you know, there's, there's a lot of nuance to it. obviously it's been going on a really long time and there's people innocent people on all sides. and i think that's what this conversation needs to. what we're trying to make clear or is it in a support? the whole point is all the programs i'm making about. this is there's contacts folks. there's contacts, and when we have context, then we can have a discussion, gentlemen, i'm going to jump in here. we're going to go to a short break, and after that short break, we'll continue our discussion on palestine state. we'll talk to the mortgage to. so just wanted to see what's going on. what was up in there. so sounds good,

just so basically of course we need your last name was needed. read those can, will be used to be live. imagine we have support for someone who is this we would show new people to the the the welcome back across. ok, we're all things are considered. i'm peter will build to remind you we're discussing palestine. the okay, let's go back to george in, in budapest, george,

we've seen the ongoings at the security council going nowhere. and it's basically the united states and its allies. but just insist on repeating over and over again . in every way possible fashion, you know, it has the right to self defense. well, yeah, it does. okay. i don't know what the argument is here, but actually it's, it's code. it's a coded narrative to say because it has the right to self defense. it can do anything, it wants to in response, and that is that they the, the catch right there. and that's why other countries on the security council won't go along with it because then they would be complacent in ethnic cleansing and genocide, george. and that's exactly right, it's a bizarre kind of a, the talking point is where it has a right to self defense, which means you have israel can do whatever you'd like. and then the car, all the way over that is the cost of the attack on this. nebula is kind of arrow of uranium. well, well,

they don't recognize it as rails white to exist because that's it also totally untrue because opposed to they do. but the issue a big deal, except that anyone can, i mean no one has a right to exist. but the issue is of course, what the, what are the final borders of the state of israel. and that, that is pretty much in the dispute. but the been going back to you appointed by the united nations. it is easy and that's all in the united states. and it's out i'd say as well, this is an attack on the jews, the jewish people, and they have full since we don't want to repeat the holocaust, you know, we have to give essentially the jewish people, a blank check or whatever they want. i mean, this was very much, yeah, it's reiterated by, i mean the battle of the gentleman, foreign ministers as a we in germany of a special bond with israel because about a terrible pause and that, but we always have to support israel and it goes it's, it's completely nonsensical, because anything that you do has still to be in conformity with international

humanitarian law. just saying that where you have a right to defend yourself, yes, you have the right to defend yourself, but you don't have a right to use a risk. disproportionate pause and you don't have a ride to violate all these norms, if it's a national human, you manage their lowest, such as cutting off a civilian population from food awards of electricity. uh few hold. uh that is obviously a violation to say that this somehow is about our right to defend ourselves, but it's obviously a line. well, no it, it, it, this is, it calls the suspend morality is what it's all about. and it's, and it's an exception only this time, well, no international humanitarian law should apply all the time to everyone. it's really quite remarkable. i want to say this to all my guess is real, is a child is the child abuse nighted nations. united nations made is real. okay. and, and of all countries to defy its rules and resolutions. you know,

that's never pointed out here. let's go back to the professor intent on. i'm sure professor, do you notice that it would that there's a, a, an echo of the, a post $911.00, a more on global pair and of course, era and is always in the center of it all. okay, so let me get this straight. uh, people, uh, the under occupation in gaza, break out of an open air prison attack is released including civilians. and so the united states has to attack around can you explain that logic to me because i'm not sure i get it. if the united states could take, you know, on it, have it had, it would have done it induce of 4 to 5 years. it is not able to do so at look at this. no, not even guess you're on, you're going to guess is right. again, guess about us sending us the vist has no longer be able to, to, to interfere to save yours. right?

for the same reason that it couldn't topple it legitimacy and call them into a mattress. and for the same reason that it couldn't be sent me to it, the direction board ex sanders and that they couldn't embed it on despite frequently claiming that the options are on the table. you see all the options are not under the table develop today is very different from what it was a decade or 2 ago. and there's no reason for your eyes interferes, but us in the us are strong enough. there is businesses forces, injuries and are at their strongest position in history and is right, and it's based as supporters are at their biggest position. so i think how most so it is the best time to take back the occupied territories. i think a, as everybody knows war, no mastercard to mark the end up user and end of the user. we'd be marked by done by an event creation division. but we saw enough understanding,

but the usually 2 forces be repeated just for the she deserves. and residents of the territories, my suggestion is that if the vista and the doors are concerned about the lives of design issues, provide free slide services for the so the occupied forces to anywhere in the world . they have come from. there's no need for and a lot of war the united states is not able to raise a bar. well they, they may try, ryan and the, the, the worry is that they like fail. i don't think has pause afraid of 2 aircraft carriers. and they use management, i don't think they're afraid of it. i mean they, they've had their fighters in syria, they're prepared, they've been waiting, i would say, from their perspective for a situation like this through a rise for a very long time. and these riley's fear has bull law, they definitely fear it. but you know, overall, just kind of an overarching thing. here. it is really the pathetic state of the

west where had gemini trumps humanity. i mean, they have the language of the humanitarian rights and they, they tried, they and they use it as a use it as a cultural very often around the world. but it's really hollow in its meaning because if there is an exception, then the rule doesn't work. go ahead, right? yeah, and this is a classic tactic. and i mean, you can look back through all of that and pretty much all of us foreign policy. the joe graph and make on my show is that they're batting 0, right? they claim we're fighting for freedom. we're trying to give freedom to these countries and they and they topple and destroy and leave it in a ruin and go to the next one. and the next one, and so either they are the worst possible country in the world that actually starting freedom, or maybe they're not actually trying to spread freedom. you know, it's like why we let that continue as the on me libya left as you open. slay market . now just warring factions and we just never talked about that. it was, you know, over and over and over. so they don't have the moral high ground here. i think what you're pointing out is important that they use these terms in order to control the

perception and literally the actions of other people and including their allies. i mean, look at what happened with north stream pipeline and germany. i mean, it's very clear, these people are the very ones that they act like their adversaries are in regard to the disregard for international law. you know, so nobody's your whole, they're standing as legitimate right? we need to, i mean, but i forget the person's name and i wish i remember it right now, but a palestinian representative on, i believe it was, bbc made a very, very important point. the only thing that the palestinian resistance and the policy and representatives are actually asking for at this moment is the equal application of international law. think about how important, obvious that isn't, you know, pretty well what, what a radical idea isn't it just, it just saying the obvious is extraordinary, you know, towards, you know, it was, we were brought up to, to hate around the media. i, you know, we had all the think tanks and all of that. and you know, here, here we go, this is kind of how it's frame the crazy mall of the crazy people and cut out over and over again demonizing them denigrating them. but this is exactly how western

leaders act right now. okay. they're the ones that are fanatics, they're, they lost their mind. george, that's exactly right. that is very amusing that the so there is this logic being offered by uh, width and leaders, especially in the united states that because iran, uh, this supported holl us and they gave us the wrong supports. uh as well. uh and the other uh, proxy pools is um, iran must be bones. and this has been said by lindsey graham is by said by uh, joseph lieberman formal vice presidential candidates. i didn't even know lieberman was still alive and to leave the house that i didn't know that. okay. i thought it's off the we moved on to greener pastures. okay. yeah, so lead me to that, but that's the iran is therefore, a legitimate target, because i think it was a when it comes to ukraine. they put their say that they,

the nato powers are legitimate targets for essentially bank, rolling and bolting and arming of the ukraine. right, what would win auto body to the conflict? so again, it's an ellipse, the inconsistency. but the problem is if we stop escalating as well, and this is this, the, the issue that one wants to talk about is that is what your husband usually weapons in this room. i'm like, anyone else is ready to use the, i mean, we know how ruthless is realistic. so if it is indeed of israel's destiny to be involved in a multi front wall, that it is in danger of losing as well. we would use use a weapon. so, and i don't think is any doubt about that. so it's a, it's a very dangerous situation. um and uh, and then it was one that so you know, we have concepts and we were able to do because no one has attempted to restrain is what it is or what to use new day. what was, what would model van and the rest of them say is right as a right to defend it. somebody has the right. so let's go back to the professor

right well, rapidly running out of time. i really do, i'm glad george brought up the issue of nuclear weapons because i also think it considering how these railings want to destroy a mouse, which means we'll have to destroy all the palestinians that they could resort to weapons of mass destruction. maybe not a new killer weapon, but other ones. i mean white phosphorus they, they use it on a regular basis now apparently, and no, no one calls them out on your thoughts be as we in the program, go ahead. oh no, it is. and will not be able to use and exert at times because as you see it, the most forces have it not be eh, killed by new services. new services are going to destroy the order of people. if it is why it is fighting, most the option is not due for a nikiya. meek service on the option is going and to invade an inmate from the ground and is where it was not. we did not succeed. as i said,

it is not capable of invading guys, the problems from the drones because homeless has prepared and plans for it. but i meant for a lot bar and and if is right, interest goes a, but i'm living, i'm from sure. yeah. and from some other forces, it's me to be attacked. usually the best plan to destroy it is right so well gentlemen, gentlemen, were rapidly running out of time. obviously we're going to keep a very close eye on the events here. but one of them, the, the, the primary purpose of this program is the show the, the rank of policy of the west, when it uses the words of human rights and international human rights law. it's just suffocating lee, a stupid, okay. as all the time we have gentlemen, i think my guess in budapest, for franklin and into around and of course i want to thank our viewers for watching us. we are our team. so you next time. remember us up rules the,

the safety of the whole was through the soul. they caught in the loop you in the list which t v is now trying to deliberately create the bigger list i think is a conflict with your yahoo! it is the right to to see the now, you know, we keep the narrative claiming that what is going on because nothing to do with nicholas dean is really won't think percent. the real reason for the uh for the crisis is the

the laser highly mini tree sat, its ground forces are expanding operations into gatzo. and that's in addition to the ongoing gas strikes on the policy. and terry 3 guys also plunged into an information black out as the internet and telephone lines of carpet to the territory. both the policy and rec precedent and world health organization said they have lost contact with the teams on the ground drop e p s l 25 is adopted. the un general assembly overwhelmingly, bags that non binding resolution calling for an immediate cease fire, thomas fire.