being the head for the things that we have for in the, in moving the process to doing all the time. that was not exactly the condition with the salvation army, rockies and others. so i seen that the duration of the set up know before the war of the day before the war was much more friendly to uh, to a vibrant piece process than you know, it varies. i suppose. what do you, what you mean there is, if you are for an insecurity minister today or on october, the 6th, it could still have happened because of nothing. yahoo because you said that uh what made uh and enabled the blood shed. inevitable was nothing. yeah. as well, i would highly mean by that is the blogger of, by the, you know, government and by him personally has to do with he says, so he can move on to standing. but the reality is,

he didn't believe the cause. this is a change on the part of the i'm was he's doing entity to reflect the cd to the national policy and movement. he said the one that he met as a by doing the assembly and a phone number. oh, so he said the other thing i should not be allowed to have a v to arrive on the, on this, on a some of the pieces. and the, as we see, they are having sort of m, p to rod that is being expressed to these are all present to this one and go to and then of course, from the strategic plan under the image is the tactic of blogger. otherwise, you would have had the forces military forces deployed the longer the gossip older and not only is attention in protecting the settlers in the,

in the west fire. i mean, i've, i've said this of the program a few times recently. we don't oil sands of thomas carlyle. you can just put it all on. net and yahoo in fan is in your book, you show there are a huge security structures in israel, which will bound to fail almost as though just as volt. clearly there's an entire architecture of security and defense forces in there that didn't even understand that this multi $1000000000.00 wall of, of gauze or, and so on was kind of useless. you know, the, you want to addressing your what's your particular question about today about the, the reasons that we have this says failure today. yeah. change or to 20 percent disability condition i spoke to. historically, i am fully aware of the right of all people who go for the entire secuity

and civilian a celebration i'm being being folded up in the position of authority to space is not the sort of thing that has to do with a tough one. prime minister, this has to be fine. we're all for the last the officer. well for century the already the 1980s. uh there was a, uh, this is the main comfortable uh, why is this car um the shut off, but at the end of an issue, we spoke about the situation being, being the reverse of a man because the realities of the ones that were created and through the satellite and some missing community establishment and then both avenue. yes. all the advise against the assumption that the just because of these re, i like to is it is entirely impossible to have a political solution. i mean,

are we quote, the solutions even the, even today, the basic is really notion of a all sub loss of settlements. that can be slow to wave the policy and sonya whether it's where the land is to a place, technically it's not politically as soon bye or yeah, well i want to get onto those clear and, and i think that's why the book is so interesting. actual possible solutions rather than the parenting of this phrase at twos state solution. and as you say, you know, that is the beginning of your most recent uh, work. i mean, coming from a home a for him is that um that what you've written isn't a bit. you're a of this to state kind of error that we hear politicians talking about all the time during this military and gaza at the moment. um. so why do you think that, as you mentioned, the history, the 1st reaction from israel,

you and then basset, to, to general secretary general gutierrez, saying that the attacks on october 7th did not occur in a vacuum, was to call for his resignation and do immediately refuse visas for united nation stuff in the region. this is actually on the headphone. uh, i know there is uh when he comes from and i told her alternately and pollinators. i don't think because he meant exactly was the way he was interpreted. i just said it shouldn't be under it. that didn't happen in a vacuum. that's all. yeah, exactly. i don't think he was condoning the silver and stuff october massacre. i don't believe that that was what he meant. and but anyway, in the politics of a, of a boy called the end of the un

officials from, i think this is a totally a, in effect to the it is non trying to and, and this is know the way the visually promises should behave. and that it has accompanied me, your appearances by as rarely have fuller and bassett is maybe the people who used to work for you who does a cooling palestinians, animals. and this civil obtain used to reports. we are hearing the density blink until the guitar re government to tone down coverage of their satellite news channel. is there a concert at attempt and is there consented worry now by the israeli government and the united states sponsors that this, these pictures which they can control on social media or of dying children? means a, it's even worse than in, in the time is when you are foreign minister in terms of the atrocities the world

of seeing hello. even though that's a 02 or easy said to, to or a most thoughts. i'm the next 30 in the, in the international. uh no. uh i, i, i'm afraid that it is said is very said above, i'm not sure that the best of civilians. a sauce is a, is a lower crime. i think that's a good thing. civilian is a lot of crime and i, i used to believe that the is what the forces do not targets on purpose submitted against. as we saw the other day with these debates about the hospital, it turns out the other thing fairly, i the, if you want everybody to, to me that was quite convincing. well now the new york times, as you know, is we're going back from that. and most people say that if you blow up, if you drop the amount of well though, because i have to say,

i mean you have if you drop the amount of cmt equivalent ticket rushing or on a space, like because you're going to kill civilians, you're in effects targeting civilians but, but i suppose this has happened so many times and what's unusual about your view point is that you've said all as low as a waste of time as chief negotiator to camp david. you've itemized what was going on and, and said that the problem is the israel has never had a leader that understood the tragedy of the displacement of palestinians and what the palestinian story actually is. but what is the interest of the bite? and so next sholtes and macro coming to a peer besides, that's an yeah. what's your understanding of why they did that? well, this is quite how i'm president of the history. also the call of a conflict between the and the policy is and it needs to be understood in my view

a, or in 2 ways. while using the, the shawl coe about of the 7th of october. and the 2nd is the symmetric understanding of dc, because the tools we find rolling casa is a, and is far too often broiled are shown um, where the blog rushed to the wrong possibly trying. i was the used to being defined as a totally till the warning in your end as well. so you right, and also i've seen the terms of the, the strategic brother set up as part of all the setting config. yeah. on the other side, you will have with a mouse, which is a, a, an inlaw your be a calculator doing away by you, by the wrong spot, which is again,

you're wrong. maybe rodney says you're off shot, which is either way is a way to be wrong. on the, in the, in your brain and beyond a so that's, that's the understanding. these are the way i interpret the. so why do i have the shock at the college is to place along the border and on the 7th of october. and the 2nd is a broader strategic set up. yeah. so in, in your words, you haven't really highlighted that element of, of israel being a proxy project, which seems to be how the global south appear to be saying. the fact that lula said what israel is doing is genocide. the be in bricks, is it? what does that mark this out is very different to all the previous flare ups of well killing and, and slows of the idea that as you say, this is now seen as is rarely seen. forget the is rarely people and

a new book. you actually have all those say that the d e is being used by outside palace, but now it's really being used by outside power as, as a buttress against this new multiple a well that we hear all the time from badging and las go about yeah. about these a little bit react to this is my mind being a critique coordinators really saw the is that the doesn't to clear, but it, it goes strategic publish, it doesn't know anything said reactive as a reactive ward. i think that is i would have had, would have reacted it any way when weston supported on without please professor. sure i'm a been, i me, i'll stop you. the more from israel is full of the fire and security minutes drops of his right. the

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a conflict with your yahoo right to do to see them there. you know, we received a narrative claiming that the walk is going walk has nothing to do with the goal is the name is really multi person. there's a real reason for the, for the crisis is be around the welcome back to going underground. i'm still here with israel's for before, and then security minister position with bellamy view and just saying that is where i would have reacted regardless of american support to which most people would say, well, hang on a minute is real. doesn't have any, you know, funds without the american and british and european union nation to reply in this, in this summer go savage way against the civilians of guys a good. it's what do you mean by rearming?

the replenishing is, was uh minnesota. yeah, i'll send august. yes. uh well, i guess the yes uh the us has the boss to it as well as the young people in the industry to after one of these side come off, how far is with his boss with the with come us and go right. it is uh many i suppose the something that cannot be denied and the fact that it has moved or cut off the carriers to the east end of the to rent. and it has to do in my deal with the, with the brother, the subject setup, which i mentioned earlier they, i think the mobile then participating the role they could, they came to the, the, to cease by the end, the end, the running and, but you find that i wanted to say your words about the effect of is as possible. i think that, um and when we found the car for the entities,

well the easy doing times or for the to, to avoid the prostitution of the language, the policy and the most. and the, as well as north conducting the general side, we need to calculate how are our works is it's really a general side, you know, how many people died in, draws attacked by americans in i'm trying to install a new block. i don't know if at least a $1000.00 groceries and nobody cited isn't genocide. i'd say no news to prosecute our language. okay, well here's new, let's being on this program. it is not enough without the present news, or you're not charging enough even a model enough without good. okay. well, i mean the we have had is riley is in the past week or so in london. i think these really invested to london to speak of it in the same terms as dresden not saying it

as if dresden was a, it was a terrible atrocity. but sang dresden was a necessary atrocity, which many people think was quite bizarre. but you said as regards what's happening in ukraine, the only beneficiaries with the us alms industry. how far do you think the bible and blinking, blinking, of course himself, of fuller, patrick and consulting company boss, how far is this will also being promoted by the vested interest of arms. companies that have benefited, obviously by the masses of arms being poured into zalinski in care of but also being pulled into his room. that's not the only the war. i mean the entire american, the assistance who's right isn't even diary subsidy until the war in the all seem to say america, this is dollar monitoring. the has to be spent in the us. it cannot be spends

industry problem. which means that from the very beginning that it's not only during the war, but during normal times, i'm already kind of ease kennedy, same as any director to talk to the, to the us in the say when i rolled and i wrote that piece evolved to you and i need somebody and they said to be hungry. well, they said that the main when these floor so far has been done any kind of industry because the fact that to the west as a whole is it is in this floor without having the and then getting the mind. what is the objective i, i don't think i've even seen the fuel model. the dogs think he's now that the russians can be and can be thrown back to be it's not kind of older. i don't believe this is a real estate to object to and therefore some sort of a accommodation has to be fall found and the 2 is

a ceasefire. and then install some sort of the also, i think was the issue was, but otherwise these were we'd go forever just as the water would come us. i don't think that the, i think that that is the, the main weakness. so based on the position is that the 1000 to come talk to this is less than the one, but we learned from the, from tom. so it's, i mean, was it was the objective destroying almost entirely a bring into a new use between the model. so the small to use it possible the door. so as i mean vision my my to the configuration in the region and beyond that. so i think that's the fact that there is no strategic objective. is one of the reasons the house. oh understood. oh to be screen teak also on bottom and both of these little objective, what is the strategic and again,

and this is where it is was, is finding what we know who's paying for that to a failure. because i might say this is this eschatological idea or an in washington that they're fighting china, they're fighting russia through ukraine, and they'll fight iran and the budgeting arab will, i suppose the is that make well through it through israel. but unlike so many other voices on this situation, you talk about rather like palestinian scholars as well. talk about the one state solution now that there are a 130 circled settlements, a 140. so good settlement outposts 70000. what to how many occupies a very nice jerusalem is bought of the old un resolution is outlining why you've said this. and why is some reason we still hear this 2 state solution

power as it phrase from politicians as widely different as she didn't being that to be a boots in and job i. well, i think it's to be turned out to be impossible to reconcile the minimum requirements of the both state and national model. and for the p. c was, is, was a maximum capacity for um, for making the necessary con concessions at least to simply consult me because of the unique to make sure all of all the conflicts to being the conflict. not just about that. it's not planned for peace. it's the categories that it's really somebody seeing us cannot to agree on and it is a big portion of refugees like, well i'm the only size jerusalem. this is not the real estate business like we had with when you that is getting back the sign i peninsula and then getting a be

a piece of equipment for it. here the, the, you see what the, what the fusions and the, and even the syrians getting negotiations were off. give me so is a, is a political election, tennessee. you is a political legitimacy innovation understanding is asked to be as political as a more ownership in the shape and, and that is what makes the other season position the so much simulation the is only negotiate because because you have to pay the price that goes far beyond the, the problems that were created, the $9067.00. you are being bossed div a price that has to do with the problems of not looking for the problems created in 1948 and the system the,

the collective issue. i mean, probably isn't of paying the price if these are exceedingly high. and if you have a problem, lynda said that would be willing to pay the price. then any way we thought was politically, one of them was a saucy native and 2 others were defeated. politically, because they came to close to meeting the but i sent in the requirements, would it be the sort of these things? so this is why i come to the conclusion that this is the most the solution that is waiting on the store. but even that is the motive of $67.00, uh, swap. so plan the removal of those several men is a large scale. and as a petition of truth alone, the see me on the control over the how much are you you've done for them on all

this to me is no possible given what i understand, that is the system and the world. i understand all the conditions of being published. i always displayed good. i'm awesome. okay. or i've and the problem, i mean i, i little run that as we run out of time, given the inability, it seems for anyone to understand that this is the case. whether it be international powers, security council members. how would you expect the outcome of this current conflict to be because as we can see, the arab and islamic will sort of arrow well doesn't seem to want to save the people of gaza. the way russia sees the saving of the people from the east and the ukraine. but there are resistance movements around the world. they're obviously boycotts beginning. there is now a whitening of protest movement all around the world. it's very different to think

that the samples that you are 40 percent of jews in the united states believe the israel is in apartheid state. how should we expect this conflict to move? i suppose it depends on, on, on what happens in lebanon? the yeah, i think i've seen the, we need to look at the media stuff and well, it is possible to go see a longer term in the media or a step. i think we should the, uh, i mean, we should drive to a situation whereby according to the, to the body, the closest. so that was like, oh, that's the single talking to you. we have a decent story to extend that to the gulf stream as well. going to happen, but it might happen the easiest uh if uh um how much is diminished to such a degree? because this is not going to be my view. it was a few of

a few weeks you told me to go on for uh for a long time. uh, if this is, if this happens. and the, the reason i want to check the financial, a couple of entities and the security capacity is to uh, to the police handle harvey. maybe we can restart some sort of uh, peace negotiations otherwise. well, i believe, well, may happen at some point is that the design is uh, the tour is on the standard to design this dna is, i understand it was always more about the moment. what have you been about originally? that is, it was part of the, by the settlers, by the collision of the time you all buy machine of is where at least to the ride sees the year 2000. it was put into making territory prevailing over them over

for you. i think that at some point and prime minister with the toilet, the try to do it in 2006, that is a conversion. this plan to start these engaging uh unit, actually from boss of the west bank in order to prevent the ocean, the entire disappearance. all the joys stayed in to eh, what i call a cell frequency division with the south africa solution. this is wanda states reality. i don't see 2 such it was state reality. i don't see a solve the solution. so maybe these solves a lot to restore, which is not the best solution. the best will be one, negotiate the 2nd, but it'll be this stuff happen before you force. inevitably, the jordanians, to us having to roll into westbrook. this will be very bad for the indian king

though, because you will see moments of population from the west, but to the other side of the river. if there is lilies eventually designed to conduct some sort of international, these engagement in the older, not to go solely. they saw the kind of situation which would be, which would be suicide of 4 is a progression of, of a let me thank you. thank you. and that's it for the show. and condolences from the whole team here i have going underground to those bereaved by the ongoing violence in the middle east. there will be more guards on monday's show, with british historian and tony blast beach, right. as in lawrence friedman, until then keep in touch, why will i social media if it's not sensitive in your country and had to watch and we're going underground tv on the come to us new and old episodes of going underground see monday the

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