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hello and welcome across stock. were all things are considered on peter a little because it is back after going dark and being cut off from the world. israel continues to deny god's everything needed to sustain modern life. in the meantime, the west collectively turns a blind died to the collective punishment. palestinians, the discuss these issues and more. i'm joined by my guess martin j in america. she's an award winning journalist and commentator. and in budapest we cross the george send me, well we, he's a pod cast or at the gabble which can be found on youtube and locals, or gentleman cross talk roles in effect that you can jump anytime you want. and i would appreciate it. okay, let's go to america. so much is happening. it's happening so fast as well. we had a for about a day and a half we. it appeared that um, well, in fact it did happen. garza went black um no outside contact as we speak right now

. there contacts with the internet and other communications is being restored slowly. um that, um, i suppose the biggest thing that's going on right now in my mind is how the collective west is decided to collectively turn its back from palestinian suffering . and it's really dis breathtaking because, you know, we weren't, we, all 3 in our viewers were very skeptical him off this whole idea of green space to order. i guess we don't really have to market anymore because it's not a clickable in any, any world, any universe right now. go ahead mark. yeah, and it reminds us really, sadly, who is really in charge of the so called institutions that could hold america as well. so account, you know, the i c c in the hague, or, i mean it makes issues. mccray, i think awesome. um and um do you and what was do you and how come to you and possibly hold his head high in this international environment?

i'm, i'm preached i'm or what changes to the rest of the world when united, unless is real do is, i mean, i would, i would also do you would, must do something with this is what it must sort of suspend them or make some sort of statement some, some sort of token gesture, you know, but, you know, the, the american americans calling the shots and i'm very skeptical. i'm very, very skeptical about this internet and electricity blackout. you know, to me that just smacks of the not allowing social media content to be distributing . yeah. ubiquitously. who is the human right? covering up for crying. so let's say covering that work. let me go to george here. not only covering up more crimes, but something you and i have talked about ad nauseum. georgia is that a, the is really the idea of does not want the world to see how it fight, so it kills and how it may be. it is an x. we as we were convening last week, martin pointed out that in terms of infantry,

israel is not the best. it's found itself to be quite weak here. um and then we have content, you know, going from top of your topic very quickly. it is really flag is being planted in the small part of the, of ga. so here is some kind of symbolism here. um, but you know, wanting to control the message by not allowing any come to with this. quite interesting, isn't it, george? well, let's try that. um, but nonetheless, it's already clear that um, the, the message coming out of gaza is a, is a quite shocking one. and now we've seen a massive protest and some lots of euro, but we had a massive processed in london yesterday. we even had a massive protest in new york city. um and uh, it is clear that some of israel and it is back up chief back of the united states are really kind of a global minority. now, what's really

a much of really in the last $48.00 house is there isn't going to be this massive invasion that we mentioned. the apple moralist submitted that the, this easing cushions that we've been seeing. it's kind of cool that we're going to get the, the, the, that is, it just doesn't have the will to go in and, and it's no 5 man to man as we discussed before. and, but instead he would just simply go on inflicting of these uh casualties. um, now the way the united states has, uh, responded is, is quite shocking in any ways that it is never respond to, you know, the symbol away, and the pos, i mean, even the, you know, some of the reading was a trust. that is, that is why they have committed such as they invasion, 11 and 1982. i mean it's now outright of persecuting organizations that express any sympathy for the palestinians. so we have to go with

the wrong. the science is boasting that he is just simply by the student group appropriate of sending us to look what is, what is the basis by 6 of the pro. and then you have these republican presidential candidates including trunk, incidentally, who showed up at this republican jewish coalition, just simply blandly say, well, anti semitism is the same as a, as a zine is a, as the similar to zone has no place in america. therefore, we need to a band if neither of them any of organization, but his advocating on behalf of about a city. so it's, it's really quite interesting. i'm glad you brought up the protest and this will point out that the, the u. k. upstate and at the united nations, which shows absolute power does on their part and it shows that they're terrified of their own people. ok. but which was really interesting to both of you over all

the direct is the market, is that um, there are a number of large jewish groups all through europe and the united states saying israel does not speak for me. design is a, isn't a synonymous with being jewish. so people, these people are pushing back because obviously they don't and not in my name is their message here. and that's pulling people out as well. but it shows martin, the isolation of so many governments in the west. yes, solution i most of the limited time, i would say how much longer the situation carry on. because unlike you can, will you have a huge contingency of people in london for example. i mean the estimation to a 500000 on the street. you know, it's gonna be very difficult for the government. and so um cool. sent a journalist to keep on with it. it is now to when they'll just surrounded by so many people on social media questioning it. so i think this, that puts a certain amount of pressure that puts a certain amount of time limits on the operation. but where it goes from now, i mean, everyone's, you know, the big question now for all this,

all the big guns is, what does this go? you know, where does it split into original conflict unit? i'm beginning to worry i, i sent a new show last week, but it was very concerned that nothing yahoo was more than capable of creating a full flag attack to between hezbollah and they run on america. i'm more worried now about blinds be facilities crunch things up since we last spoke. i'm really concerned now that the situation that we're looking at now is the possibility of america taking as strikes on positions below positions in the south level. this is now very realistic. it's already going on between israel and has the right now as we speak. it's happening especially on both sides. but it's contained and um, i think there is a, there's a run. yes i do. i think from israel in america is marika came in to the conflicts and america found has blood. the iran that has the would take a different view and handle it differently if it was israel doing the same job and

i think was all right, but i'm just ready to go down because like, you know, i, i think those, those f sixteens and fifteens which are on the aircraft carrier hasn't come there to shut down. and then we enter a world war 3 scenario and then what do we do? what is fine? and do you notice the probably button is the, you know, a week ago we were saying i noticed was saying he's lost the most of the book in america, which i think it has completely. but it's only among democrats, at least these down 11 percent percent among them. what questions was he lost? he is writing about as well in america because of a lot of his ways as you point out now, you know who don't agree with this. so i think he's isolating himself more and more and he doesn't know where he's going. he doesn't know where this is taking. well, well, learn. i mean, i think it was in, in the summer. george, you have an encyclopedic mine. i'm sure you'll correct me, but jake sullivan, i think it was in foreign affairs or one of the major journal, you know, we have a, it's a, i'm here. rephrasing here. of the, the middle east now is quite or isn't it has been in decades. there's some grandson,

see such a nipple with okay, because we does reinforce with martin just said here, these people really don't know what they're doing and they literally are playing with fire because of the way the rhetoric is build up that the palestinians are always the um, the, the, the ones that are doing all the a pressing apparently they the so inverted. okay. and if you the aircraft carriers and you've got planes, you're going to play out this narrative. george? yes, that's right. what's interesting about that, jake sullivan is a $7000.00 would piece is that is the print edition of foreign affairs has those remarks about. so things are really quiet. you know, we don't, we don't expect any problems with israel and gaza, but the online edition. they took all those woods out because it will be so what was the embarrassing book? oh, it's just a stall and it is after lights would be so proud. whitney georgia's air brush,

so you guys have a sullivan himself, has been the subject of numerous of owning obsequious profiles, likening him to in a bismark in the mess. any great foreign policy. think of this foreign policy. think on this, but you know, there's great administration, you know, we much the is off of back in charge is they've got themselves into a risk big confrontations of previous administrations that of managed to avoid. they've got a very dangerous confrontation still in ukraine. i mean that's, that's ongoing, that hasn't been the and then the getting those, those is not, this is a quite a dangerous situation in the middle east. and i, i agree, i mean, that's certainly something that could happen. um that, you know, they, they've got these aircraft carrier groups and that, and if you know something happens, you know, whether it's a full slag attack or whether the spiking between israel and his bow a intensive. but they will be great pressure on the united states to get more

directly involved. and i mean, there, plenty of politicians were actually calling for the united states to get directly involved. you know, we might not have to wait that long because martin, i mean, considering the united nations organizations that are in, in golf so which i, i have every reason to believe what they say to the world is true. is it business humanitarian? it's not even pending, it's happening, it's happening as we're speaking right now. and i still look at the black players, the actors like his beloved will say, this is intolerable. we cannot allow this to happen and it ran will also be a follow ensued in one form or another. so, i mean, there's so many things that are rushing to it, you know, to do some breaking point, go ahead more and what's particular is some, the role of the launch, our country is the arab leaders in the region on how america and the un, i've just completely and also they don't equate, they don't feature in any of the,

not you they are, there are opinions and not remote to interesting another the, the i don't from, from ministers recently matched as a woman we floated for seats for and that was just completely you know that didn't that didn't even feature it in, in mainstream chris, so, you know, you're talking about iraq, are you talking about as below, being provoked, possibly into up in the stakes in the region. i think on these ratings don't understand and the americans are underestimated the roll, the countries like saudi arabia and cut on play assist can result in the way it goes and they, they have themselves to blame as well. okay. i mean, what about an era muslim boys will you know that they, they, they talk a big day, but they haven't been on the side of the palestinians, but now when they're the slaughter and impending genocide against them, i have no choice but to speak. unfortunately, you have, i'm gonna have to jump in here, we're going to go to a short break. and after that short break, we'll continue our discussion. i'm going to stay with our team. the

russian states never as tight as i'm one of the most sense community best. nothing was all sense and up the in the system, the casual, 95 and speaking. what else calls question about this. even though we will then in the european union, the kremlin, the machine for states on the rush to day and split the ortiz full neck, even our video agency, roughly all the band on youtube, the payment services with question, did you say even closer to the

time i'd like to attend that i'm here to plan with you whatever you do. do not watch my new show. search like why watch something that's so different whitelisted opinions that he won't get anywhere else. welcome to planes or do they have the state department, the c, i a weapons makers, multi $1000000000.00 corporations. choose your fax for you. go ahead. change and whatever you do. don't want my show stay main street because i'm probably going to make you uncomfortable. my show is called stretching time, but again, you probably don't want to watch it because it might just change the way you the, the little domestic prospect for all things are considered. and peter, isabel, this is the home and easy to remind you. we're discussing palestine. the,

let's go back to georgia in budapest and this thing that's happening, you know, i mean, we, we, and we all watch the, in the israeli ambassador to you when get his speech and we see this a global war on terrorism. 2 point oh, being played out so you know, we, you know, we had as long as groups radical groups. so give, you can put all the monitors on you want, that's fine with me with her to for what? almost 200, gap 20 years. but now the la mazda are nazis okay? nothing down, you know, this is not, you know, there, isis. okay. they've never been described that way before. and what they're doing is we're creating, we resurrecting a failed narrative. i would say that because of the global war on terrorism was an utter failure, but that doesn't stop from them, trying to do it again and return it in. and then in that way it, it's a, it's

a narrative that is easily more, easily digestible and coherent. i mean, it's completely wrong, but it's coherent, george, i know you're absolutely right the, the, because what is what has been very skillful in doing in the over the years is to suggest who gets the americans patients that it's actually bible absolutely essential to the interest. so, so just as in the cold war, they managed to full the americans and thinking that you know, where absolutely in the front line of the cold war, you know, you got to rely on us, you know, we, we, signing up to the soviet expansionism. and so now they have, there's are well as, as we're fighting the global war, ontario and then immediately in america mines, you know, they have it, but they get tons of switch off. oh yeah. global war on the ice is, oh yeah, they have, they have the hatch up as you know goes, you know, you know, there is, is a ride in lead a full front of the battle against sizes. but i just simply don't pay attention

effect that i'm in the united states as much of done anything. it's all about eyes . it's actually a fuel isis over the years. and in fact, the same, same way israel as cooperated with isis in, in syria. it's very interesting, they want to use this man. let me go back to martin here. we want to use this narrative, but you know, we had isis and 31 flavors of care is lumnick tear in and syria. israel never had anything to do about that. they never attack them. as a matter of fact, interesting, lena isis has never attacked israel. ok. so i mean that they want to put her mouse into that category, which is again, it is a historical and actually kind of a logical, but that is a narrative. that western publix, they think western public so believe which i think i would, i think is really interesting is something that george is pointed out to me repeatedly, is that we all have watched over the last week or so. all these huge,

huge demonstrations in western capital's, but where were those demonstrations for ukraine? they never happened. okay, go ahead mark. yeah, i mean, you just, the thing about us, is this the slow, i guess how much is the power rate? most people in the west, i know don't realize is that during the best part of the war in syria, israel did back isis israel back to group would have this, right, which is an offshoot devices to flight. yes, it originally provide me with weapons. sometimes cash i have to go to the hospitals, hosp the hospital support. so it was just real size boxes and the sausage to syria used to travel across the board into israel and get and get some medical assistance . so that's, that's one point. but i mean money in the water, i'm using these, these both was use of a kind of a technique of confusing good because people in the west just don't really understand what it is they. they see muslims killing and that's enough for them to go to the next day. ready and that bigotry and the racism to kind of pigeonhole these people as, quote, savages, you know, animals, this kind of language,

which is res, cause love, that's what they won't, they won't let me supposed to be filled with. forget me. like going back to georgia point, i think i'm, we created this time of slide, i mean it was, it was a product failed is ready, policy gone back alone, you know, 20 as a israel pulled out of the strip when and there's also 5 of 2006, you had elections were a homeless 144 percent of the vote, because people were tired, they were tired, all the single piece process. you know, the also the coolest, big nothing in spots and the p l. o. and so i have something corruption, i'm over, you know, but the idea from netanyahu and those are the days was now we need to stall thomas, you know, let's, let's put a seizure out because the strip um bro. okay, so good goods and services come get in and out and create this open prism which is in reality is not it for business and open concentration campus. a better way of putting it actually because in prisons you're at least get to leave. and you also get visiting rights and you have access to know as some of those things, you know,

people to go that don't have. so i'm, but i think the file policy now we begin to see it. is it the, the only 2 of us know, of staffing on this trip, hitting homeless as a lot like 5. so do we go from one failed policy, which has the american backing back in 2007 to another one? now it seems that we do a nobody, there's no break homeless, there's no, there's no safety catch. there's no, you know, because we're doing the same thing now that we're doing with the print, we're lowering the delete control and be to control. and that is like a rush ahead into something which could have regional implications for day, for, for, for years, possibly even decades. well, what, you know, george, they design is missouri apocalyptic. ok, i mean it, it cannot tolerate any resistance. and on the israel's borders, but they also zionism is all about of social packed within. and so there's a crisis within the country because as you and i have noted before i design as

well um should be accepted because it is, it protects jews in and it's a, it's, it's a sanctuary. is realtor sanctuary and produce well apparently that's not the case. anymore they've, they've gone, they're still going through the shock of what happened on october 7th. that would, that's what makes them the kind of fanatics they mentioned, you know, it is, and the people that he is surrounded them. so it's all the more dangerous. because if, if design is project is going to fail, well, everybody's gonna come down with us. that's, it's about as ugly. is that george? yeah, that's, that's absolutely right. and again, it's very interesting because that is true as, as far as the west and perceptions are concerned, has kind of played that down. i mean, in the picture it wants to present to the world, is that, well, this is some, oh, plucky little country that he's being set upon by these media terrible, uh, regimes and terrible fanatics in a little running around, you know,

blowing things up. and they just wanna drive it the jews to the see the normal that is true. i mean, you know, is 67. they captured territory is now the way it was sold in the west. all they have the comforters because they need security because otherwise, you know, they'll be in secure, they're gonna be driven, the gains will see the territories they capture. well, the territory is that was historic palestine. and that is where laid claim to and that was right from the beginning. they wiggly, they began building the settlements immediately. i mean, as soon as they want to jews like this, i would like to stop at the settlement building because a boy's intended fight from the beginning to incorporate that historic palestine of the british mandated power such as great or is ro and i so, but as far as you know, the, the, with the, with the weight was sold in the west. well, they just need security because they need this surgery otherwise, you know, if they can possibly help me, you know, keep this, the, this, the alone and the,

and that's what they're doing. i mean they, they, the building settlement in a way to ensure that eventually all of this will be great to israel. and i'm not supposed to be in a look for the west. they don't really, you know, like let me even when you listen to something like now i'm dish, which is a while i love is radical. i'm, you know, i'm not in favor of a several months as it this is the minor issue. you know, i got, well, you know, we have differences here in the, you know, our settlements, aren't they? well, you know, that's just, you know, we have disagreements that what they've, it's at the very core is that the very heart of what israel is about is what isabel has been doing. and that's not just missing. yeah. for getting people. so, you know, i don't like nathan yahoo about dustin's other say that but something to look a body sign does it? oh, i don't like that and yeah, but, but it's been the several months about us in the whole greater is robot, as it will began on the labor. i mean, it was labor and they, they saw that there's a name on both of us. the, you know, the, you know, the martin. no, i don't know. uh when i, when i heard the term to states solution. shortly after october, 7th i,

i really didn't know how to react to laugh or 2 before i, because i mean, after everything has been said and done and you know, madrid oswell, we can go on and on and on about it. and they talk about, you know, the need for a 2 state solution. well, these really have never wanted that they've, this is the ultimate kicking the can down the road. and we figuring and refraining the debates and all of this, um, um, you know, we left, we left because we left off. so we, you know, we have got to, we didn't know it, but they never talked about how they turned it into a concentration camp is you've said here. so i don't see there's any, any political will, but is paying lip service to a phrase that it lost meaning decades ago or not. but that may will be the basis for the international 3 and teachers scratch bikes, a few remnants of credibility in the sco gosti if uh you know, um, even bought in binds and himself talked about off to assist defeated. you know,

we need to create a state for, for, for, for the people in palestine. and, you know, it's interesting that i'm not seeing any those statements. so any big papers being written by europe and union, which is basically just a bystander, you know, standing on the touch line, not even shouting from the touch live just, you know, watching the lease events. this is the new this year ship. oh, we've led to believe was foreign policy um, you know, as, as a gemini, around the world and the blue flags movies, they maybe have a lot of assets burned, but they didn't have no conscience apparently, apparently anymore. okay. and that's really bad and go ahead. they go to, they go to the default position when anything big happens, we stop talking, we still having our meetings we just for. ready americans to keep quiet, and that's shameful, absolutely, shame for because we're going to pay for this. we're going to pay for, or the ugliness which hasn't yet arrived in year of the attempt is that i'm sure was going to arrive, you know, your colleagues,

but there's millions of muslims from, from, from our country is there in belgium or the netherlands when you kind of front to just sit by and watch people to be victims of a hot across. and that's what's happening. let's start using this look. it is all the colors make no mistakes. that's what in us now who wants to do? i think joe, does that feedback on? i don't think that will be in front of it. shouldn't, i think is too risky. you know, i mean, may be missing. i like the idea of the advisors, are set to all your pets lose tags or the generally george and martin, particularly if it's interesting what they did on friday, i for a day and a half like doing the, the blackout of communications. george, if they can do it once, they can do it any time they want. okay. just turn off the cameras. turn off the lights. go and do your dirty work. 20 seconds george before we finish. yeah, that's it. that's. that's exactly what what they're doing because they also know that essentially the united states is giving them a blank check. and uh, you know,

whatever you do find that that's, that's okay because of the time of day and i'm also the nazis on because anything is justifiable against nazis. and, and this is a game who is but, and that's really the 2 state solution. again, this is a brand k bumper say among us officials, they've been repeating this study is they don't mean it, but it's a good thing to say, you know, like, you know, well we support the 2 state solution. we need to stay for the balance and we're not actually going to do anything about it. we're not even going to take it with the, you know, the 1st step to was get the achieving it. but we'd like to say it because it makes us feel good. makes us like be ok. monetary impulses. yeah. we like you monetary pause because it sounds good. thank you man. i gotta jump in here gentlemen, that's all the time me. i'm gonna think my guess america, shannon budapest on him. i think i'll be worse. but watching us, the warranty is the next time. remember, prospect rules the, the oh the, the

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the the over a 1000 people. a dead garza israel intensified is ground operations and ad campaigns is communication outages. in, during the rescue efforts became detached from the world. given that all phone and internet services were cut off, making it impossible for the people to contact each other around the use of these railroad crossing red lines and guys, it was fleming washington for its been wavered support for israel, off the eggs. that means the breakdown of forces in the region is the complex escalates and the disturbances rushing up thoughts of a plane landing from tel aviv when sights and by a telegram used tunnel legs to ukraine. but the lease is, according to the original republics, had.