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hello and welcome to worlds apart. suppressing an issue in the whole that it will go away by itself is a common strategy for dealing with challenging and unpleasant realities. and sometimes it works, but clearly not in the case of israel and palestine. the deck as long procrastination as addressing the problem in an authentic and meaningful way has led to such an accumulation of a range and violence that the state of course is no longer sustainable. is there still a civil way out? well, to discuss that i'm now enjoying by i'm on a booth a former member of the lebanese parliament advisor to a former lebanese president,

michelle. i own mister zavy. it's great to talk to thank you very much for being available. thank you for giving me this opportunity. now, in my introduction, i just said the, the status quoting these rarely posting and conflict seems no longer a sustainable. but i wonder if you actually agree with that with this latest or option of wildlands. do you think the problem can still be put on fall, that is israel retreating to its previous strategy or fortifying its own defenses and stealing of gals or from and the rest of the world? i was frankly, from a dignified life. well, i think we have to all of us, all of the sudden focus a lot of people have to have this ability. just say that the special score has to be maintained. otherwise, the re book opens let's what, which nobody wants. no, nobody desires on both the, on both sides. but for this to happen, we have to get a hold of usual from a different perspective. if i, if i may say,

which means and justice, i mean, we have to use the past to stop this. i guess i'm has to stop. it's a, it's a way of disengaging the dsl for determination. but the both statements all over these channels savings about the 75. yes. i mentioned that the bible from that on mentioned in the states. so once this is being added as accepted the command diplomatically, i think we uh, everybody would be happy to see it. so the issue is for 20 seconds by the for what's happening and doesn't happen, mr. zeta. i mean, it must be all one that i think this the current status for is based actually on the invoice and denial all for the palestinian rights and the palestinian dignity, you know, normal life to millions of the palestinian people. and i think it's fair to say that for many decades keeping gaza on duplicate has been israel's preferred

strategy. and that's uh essentially how they've been conducting that policy of israel in deep moves into guys or do you think they actually understand what they are going to encounter there? do you think israel is fully aware of what kind of consequences it will have to deal with? i think is no they do, they do find the decision to answer them to guys have to go by the age of 40. if i may ask for, let's say around the fact because they should be o as especially the up or what happened to them on the 2nd of october. that was taken by surprise. i'm just surprised that would not be a fit for them, but they will not be bad. they sold up, everything is going to be according to the agenda, but things have changed. if i've seen does that have changed? and as, as you just mentioned before, if we look at this stuff, just go as it was before, just to keep an eye. you know, if i've seen the lights, i'll try to get the immunization and to have the entire stage. and that sort of the

swans, why and song this b is a continue with the op ex, 3 minutes on both sides of the function you with your floor report as well and stop by locating a desktop which they did. busy several years but has changed. nothing just has increased the vehicle. they increase a gave how boss of the, you know, groups assigned it is smaller part of the, of the a whole bunch sides. there is a well defined what was on the 1st payment. all right, so i suspect that this time you've been on the 15th when they will be paying your very high price. now if we put aside the emotional and rhetoric on political reasons for, they need to know who govern government because to some extent they are wiping out of the steri around the take over all guys a to cover for their own security family is that's pretty clear and i think given these rarely media, i recognize that, but if you put all of that aside,

it seems that the full scale invasion of guys that goes against israel's interest. because as a just sad it's, it's impossible to even imagine what kind of consequences they will have to face. because you know, 3000000 people who are highly antagonistic towards israel and are likely to remain sol for many, many decades. why do you think the uh, these really government is still uh, storing on this hornets nest. why do you seeing the sort of is telling the whole world that they're about to invade guys that they love to be a you know, they have the most very high expectations they wanted to to that goes up as the said to. ready to finish because it would come us and secondly to maintain or that i'm the governess over there about for this to happen. if these as you just the brakes to the minute or differently with millions of people to see what's going on and goes that these days, they usually one button bro,

bye and different types of weapons and the uh, from the airplanes from the c. whatever do you just name it as well? so what's going on more scheduled is mandated children women to really is i've. 3 being killed and if they go up and she had the miles or greater expectations as a government and all the ways to save the patients, zillow and the o is in deep and it hasn't been probably viewed as i'm done with the vision inside those very community you know what happens after the after the 7. ok, they follow the unity government or let's say embarrassing government. but this would be a body shop. i'm a but cheap. well, they are what they want. it's got, they've done lots of guys with this from that side. and nobody is sure whether they will be finishing with some us because you know, i'm us comes from the people. the thing is that a brokerage i tried to do where i live in the same guys are you just mentioned the

sort of saving basis to be fair. i want to bring it into our conversation. the arab and muslim countries who for whom i think the palestinian issue, has also become a bit of a token. i mean, they all express that rhetorical, a silver direct tv, the palestinians. but they don't influence the balance on the ground or the fair resolution of this, of this crisis. what kind of a reaction or perhaps a retribution and may we expect from the arab and muslim world if indeed the is really a movement into guys the proceeds. so i won't be by the standard size bed hoping to much about the position of the list of guns. but in the suspect, we have to do a door and notified everybody that what's happened is called the float. a soft low . they took it to religious level. it's not only political, you know, and this sentiment is very much touching,

but the most names. one bye bye bye. i fucking goes up. i'd be the most places will be able to be both industries, all over the most of them worked out other customers because no one government can stop them from the way. so whether this will affect the decision of data elements or based on governments, it is something else, but definitely there should be some different questions and that such governments that we would love to stay without taking any action. i mean, political, diplomatic, deceptive because none of them at least as part of the front of it, it has been used in there, and that's gonna serve it. this needs to be with, once again, this is our 2nd dement by the people themselves. so something is going to happen, they don't ship and say, you didn't see of it on see everything, but what's going on now in o is riley our horse. until now israel prevailed due to his larger army and far better equipped army. and we're at this point, as you said,

that they're very few if any muslim countries that want to get involved by putting the troops on the ground. but on the other hand, if they don't do anything, they also face a considerable threat. for example, of the influx of palestinian refugees into egypt into lab and on into jordan. that is quite and that is essential issues with threats and, or undermine the security of those countries in a very significant way. do you think they should been dealing with this gordon? not them. the one have not wanting to get involved in middle intentionally, but also feeling the pressure to do something to prevent the you know, thousands. if not millions of palestinian refugees from streaming into their countries. 2 days ago there was a dimension on the subject. ready then entitled, and this issue was addressed general. the chip is the 1st company which has been active progresses, that sort of a in a message. and they refuse to open dispatchers because they don't want any influx

of i've seen as info the, the injection, the this happens in me is we are finishing long. but the scene in may, you know, issue which is they've been going on for the 75 years. so we are dividing the boasting and lives and demands whether you buy for quite a unit for the estate and defendants there. i know i'd love to have you. ready know they can do so many things a they, they can use as i said, it's not the extras that can we go, hey, we have the account form on the, on both of those. uh, especially with the discount. those that'll be sent this way, which they have exchanged, their monthly conditions, they can do both of them and it goes into, into a national community bank at the exact sort impressive, if not the key also it government because they have the means. it's been, oh, how do you use it? i'm sometimes wondering whether israel may be playing out of these danger all by a total takeover of gaza to essentially pool. um,

it's our of neighbors into solving this issue because as you said, it would be playing into israel's hands if all the guys a residence or a significant portion of them sweeps to the neighboring countries. that he's the real can know when and take the territory. and the in are judging from the past history. the rarely gives up the, the territories that if the, it saves militarily. so don't you think that perhaps obisky stary, about the impending invasion of gaza is a, a little bit artificial on manipulative in order to essentially encourage arab and muslim countries to solve that issue or controlled them in just the one that was supposed to be. so if any of the time in office as a prime minister, he was all the time refusing to add meant to, to recognize an independent the state for about a student. so just to try us or do eyes on video is a, we'd be going to with this,

i've been your because they are very much extremist in that and, and that, and this is, they will not the both. but if they will die, they will do it from the phone go. so i don't think it's designed for them to come again. so i love you, bye guys. the way they, they want to that to 1000000 pollution more up to the heat from the side sake unit big for medical education funds. also this discount time, the area there are, again, i think, and i'm trying to save the image of the and the idea of the government will be as i, as because they have for the phase. some guys i cannot say i got best of you know, but we went over the industry just saying that they have. ready best, i mean this vision, this best i mean, and all the incentives and services that they have raised in dfcs or to submit but was being bought. so now the government. but

if somebody isn't, isn't it for another he guy, they've got everything done. it's on himself alone, others and the. ready yeah, i think we essentially agreed here that they are corners by their own era, against him believing that they can control the situation only by force. uh, when in fact we're talking about millions and millions of people who have been put in under very uh degree 5 conditions for which a case i'm that problems. no one can tell you. that's all the social issues. i mean issues like this. if we move up to all over the history of the day, this would be the magic solution only because one of the same people have to sit together on the table and discuss things. i'm addressing anybody a realistically, the only way is to waste will have to separate the independent states. we have you

and the resolutions, which i bought the accepted by the national community. we have the positive which is west. how are you about? that's the answer to being union. i mean, recognitions that existing, they were the best of luck to gather, to implement but each and implement it. but i think that's what i want. i want to know. if both sides will accept that discount then, but at the end of today we should be able to get service. this is a we, we have to take a very short break right now, but we will go back to this discussion in a few seconds. please stay tuned. the

welcome back to wells appointments, as a former member of the lebanese parliament and adviser into a former lebanese president, michelle our research a before the break restarted talking about the historical lessons. and i know that through all of your lifetime, you've been a very active member of the matter, and i've community of 11 on it's a christian asking a religious group that has been able to preserve its collective identity throughout centuries without having uh its own state. i think it's example is very relevant for, for the current is rarely posting in the context because the ultimately, they're also finding overland over statewood over uh, collected identity. and a question i want to ask you is, what do you think has allowed the, the narrow knobs to develop as a people of all the way from the 4th century, without having this protective a unifying structure over state. first of all,

because said motor, and i'd say, you know, the christians, as you just said, very much the believers and, and it's a 70. and at that time, any of the old age and all that, it was a actually just visiting because among many uh, manufacturing and many it in bios, you know about. so i'll be, it's we, we have many things over on a, let's say in this, along the, the, the audience. because even though we, we are, we live and live at home and we got them up on the live on them and live at home. and by this time you can see area enjoy live and some of that also area. so got spend all over this company is we have, we've been doing this and with all the other communities be all together, live in bees. and he and then we'd be swear with the we are in every community, every ethnic group as advocates on violence of believe it's or less on said because

of the nation if, if i don't think advice as well. oh, the each, the one left of the defense mandate that we work with others today living and just said i'm being specified in that in the being off today. we went our most of them also but didn't seem to hold a government account. the images will de, along with everybody else, and they get all of, it's a, it's all divides for you. so basically, you know, really just be educationally and make it. and so it's the practice, the decisions throughout the years under maintain speaking, both nationalized identity. so i think it's more or less clear what israel stands for. but what about the palestinians? do you think they carry any, am this think national identity apart from the resistance to israel's domination and is of assistance alone to sustain a collective or national identity?

think they have the identity, which is clear, the device to any of the identity of to or if i may say, because or, or what's happened is throughout this uh, in the 75 years or more. you know, the identity is very important as most of them because that model, most of them are most times to be, you know, they belong to in the twin by jonathan. this and this audience, as we say. so yes, they have their own identity, whether it's collective a month, it is part of the if i may have to admit myself to say of this in the word which a dad because of that as part of them. because the they have just losing, like, so most of over there. so just connected and they have proof of residency. and you mentioned that you are a believe that the student to stay solution is the only viable scenario and to

some extent, paying lip service to the 2 state solution has allowed israel to maintain this a very unjust the status quote for many, many decades. and i'm sure you're, you've heard that some people are suggesting to keep things as they are. that is, uh, sort of quasi one state, but uh, press for equal rights for all, perhaps a dog, the lebanese model that you just mentioned, where, you know, christians and she, a and sunni muslim skin, least side by side as well as some other groups. like choose for example, why, why do you think the to stay solution is still a better option given again uh the, the current, the reality is on how much of the situation on the ground has changed over the past 75 years or so. yeah, this is because this is where you just stay as long as its paid for choose. it is very simple because they say that i'm not saying it. so even if you have before the 19 for the ups moving the,

i wonder if they have. busy bites as the others right is leaving the draws they think that's what all you know is that a certain distance. ready ok, the solution of one state whereby but his pinions, jews are living together and under the same uh, flag as we say. we are really with the head shedding the same uh identity. but still i don't think it's a viable. so have you seen before or what happened in our case in the as level not be we didn't have this kind of bruship is between all sides. okay. we have the civil war and you know, 75. and the instigated by putting in 13 is because, because if i send you an issue, because the presence of the student is going to be is to be more model besides, they want to solve the. so it'd be the issue of the step or the expense of the needs to be a. ready pick up to the 40 by the speed you saw, other than that? no, but i do think it is okay. we have our differences everywhere over the web. b and

then we have dismissal in december. so i'm going to bump this up there and it was asking for logging forms on file. so it's been edited exhausted between level and i'm busy right now. well, it may be different, but i think that the example of the is really intervention and loving them back in the mid 19 ages is also a relevant one, because uh correct me if i'm wrong here, but i think the efforts to eradicate the pillow basis has actually led to the consolidation and empowerment of his ball. uh so uh, even if they succeed in uh, removing or significantly undermining. how much do you think they can fully do with this bigger problem of an armed resistance to that policies? because they, they seem to be chasing, not the actual good 0 but this whole idea that the opposition to the way they're ok supplying the holy land. it seems to be much broader than or much deeper than just

one insurgent grow. what do you think your is, what you're saying is, i believe, even the way when you, when you all know about the vacation of the piano from the bottom, but do this, and then the vision stopped being all existing as the body or as it relates to the uh no, i did not. even if they met each one to goes about this, the being that they were also at a degree of i'm us. so it means that the, the use of force is not the proper answer to all one big questions are full of the issues and differences of problems that we are facing. we have to look. ready into another and there is one more question i want to ask you. um whenever we deal with a major international issue these days, they're always 2 ways of looking at it. one that allows for the presence of a historical context and one that's 6 to eliminated. and i think both these really

some, the americans had clearly preferred the latter option. you know, they are, they're focusing now or older attention on the brutality of come us, uh, and refusing to recognize that these brutalities didn't a crew out of nowhere. it grew wrong. the suppression of legitimate drives, of, of certain people. and i wonder how would you approach this very intricate problem of historical realities and the actual reality is because we need to rectify some historical injustice and, but also with, with some semblance of respect to the current, the events. well, i can give you a little on uh, expedius and that, so since 1948, when the student in crisis, you know, i came to the international lady. nice because state that was being facing the, the ag mitchell obviously is the fact to be as a we have a very high presence several,

several times that back live alone. we made the civilian vices, economic and impressive. i'm doing all these events or on your end and that book tab. we never have any salt or, or any, let's say, a guy both. uh, west, i'm not going to america about the whole was the same about buyers with us as, as live and ease of december size. with that, with the with i was like the casual visit every mom we are on the defense and we're outside and they went all the time. supporting is way it was all about it was doing . so this gives you, i mean something is his thought to go in since it's been like this of the day nowadays or, or, but they said, or like you mentioned, do that, that broadcasted up how much that tends to be, not through your website, what's happening every single day, every over, every minute of up to date, big continuous flow above been to the people and goes up. why does this is it the

human being cannot see it? he analysis no problem at it for many or other parts will go as d all to gaze more. but sometimes you have the put any pollution, you have to defend yourself and to defend you advise you are a human being. you have the right to exist to be live. and the other said people saw, well, uh, i got more than this because we had that up and we had run up from the rest inside . and i want to mention here the experience of my colleague here there to one of our camera. remember, he is originally from palestine, i just last week on his rarely bomb him, the house where his family was living and more than 12 members of his family are dad in one single home and do it. and i'm sure they're, you know, people all over the world who can uh, either sympathize or be directly affected by, by these crisis. and the,

the worst thing about it, i remember this call like, like sometimes years ago we were traveling around the middle east. i think we were in syria and he told me that, look you as a russian, we have no collection to israel. you can go there at any time, you can get these or you can travel the holy places. and i, as somebody who was born in palestine cannot go there, and the, you know, that says something about the, you know, the very something in dignity. it's like some something very exist special for the students who have been denied the right to be themselves. actually, i mean, israel always claims being the right to protect itself, but it's doing it at the cost of other people's rights of existence. the only thing you do with due to dealing with it means it's very hot. you know, i was living to live on getting the civil war. i'm doing that. that's all the x rays, especially be the $106.00. you know what they used to move from from the village another, but it's live in china. so we,

we have witnessed this other police thing is i think the same and that i think after all, what's happening pin dimension of well has to wake up. let me say, then we have to say thread up and it's i, as it's is up to date the stand i'm to stop on this, it is made by raise, right? is that the do it? well, let me say that i hope they hear it at least, but uh, let me thank you for sharing your insights with us today. and let's hope that as many lives could be safe as possible. and in this very, very difficult and very, very long conflict by joining in, in. ready in loving this actually because we have enough, we new people not having enough space. that's too much. ok, thank you for watching and hope to say we're again one. it was a part of the,

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