the, the, [000:00:00;00] the hello and welcome to cross software. all things are considered non peter level as casualties, mountain god. so the issue of international humanitarian law is essential. the west claims to defend the rules based order. however, it would appear this does not apply to the people of gaza. the west is now complicit in more crimes and worse, the

processing power assign. i'm joined by my guess michael, my loop in rest and he is a former pentagon senior security policy analyst in north florida. we have come a long ago. he is publisher of the gold gods and guns blog and newsletter and in rome, across demarco cardinal as he is a farmer, italian diplomat, as well as a middle east adviser to prime ministers. gentlemen, cross talk roles and the fact that means you can jump any time you want and i always appreciated. let me go to michael 1st here. um the united nations is estimating that a child dies every 10 minutes in gaza during this unbelievable. god awful onslaught here. um we have to call it out for what it is. oh, by the way, we can all watch it live. you know? 247. um, these are war crimes and more and more experts in the international humanitarian law saying this is turning into a genocide. is that an exaggeration, michael? a. hi, at this point it's approach one. yeah,

i think it is. it seems as though the, even though there's talked about the kelly, the what i'm killing of a lot of it is particularly children. and no one can do anything about it. and they don't seem to be wanting to do anything about it. and what do you mean yahoo rudders do this thing? and this is a very unfortunate development, yet we condemn it. what, but you're seeing the reaction here in the united states. i'm in virginia and i'm saying this all over the country that uh we're, we're, we're, we're seeing the universities rupturing with the opposition. the unfortunate thing, yes. is that people equate what hosted on 7 october with the, with all palestinians. and that's not the, that's not the case. and what, while that episode with thomas cannot be conducted either what, what, what the reaction is right now is,

well beyond anything that was done on 7 october. and, and i, i'm afraid that neither one of them can really be justified as well. of course it cannot be, but we can contextualize, as they refuse to contextualize, the conflict, a new crane and weak. i have in my program and i will contextualize what we're seeing and power slide this as a result of 75 years of occupation and displacement and gross violations of human rights. of course, we all should and no one should can go, we should all be very angry with the atrocity. i'll use the word against atrocity that i'm us committed. okay, but it doesn't, it doesn't let me go to tom right now, but that doesn't give israel the right to commit at the cleansing. go ahead, tom agreed. i we can, we can all be outraged by what happened um, uh, on the, on a separate block. them over, but at the same time their response since then has been,

well unacceptable and every and every way. and the thing is, is, is, and is, is we have asked the question, this feels that, and i even more, i'm even more worried about what's going on beyond this, right? it's business bad enough. but now, immediately within what 24 hours are, 12 hours of the mazda attack, the war machine in the west, and i in all across the us, including the u. k. and i'm just in the us and this, the ones, the grams of the world. nikki haley is overall to the mediately point fingers of the ron. does anybody not smell the 911 to step here, where the saudis point planes into, you know, the world trade center and then we went to war with a rack. and the same thing is now work we're going to ethnically cleanse cause and now we're going to go to more with a ron the wires. why is the us move? pushing for carrier groups. have only 12, little tom. i mean, i, i'm sure all of us noticed that the axis of evil was back in vogue when it was

completely just refuted. after 911 here, when you go to marco in rome, you're an expert. you've advised prime ministers on the middle east. what happened to europe? i mean, i, you know, i'm, i'm not a young man, but i remember when europe had a very different position than the united states when it came to the conflict in the middle east. now it seems like europe is in lock step. what happened? it's quite good enough to know. first of all, it's quite difficult to say well talking to you. i'd say i complete the metamorphosis. 20 years ago, we have to go back 20 years to find you the rate between gauge it us to be that eastern policies. 20 years ago, we sold that on to issue one was of course the water and iraq. and the 2nd one, the more related to what we are watching, knowing gaza was when you will impose to day us the drafting adults from the

sole goal road map for the peace process which doesn't intreat. but since then, you will pause not active anymore. and unfortunately the loss of time to the american steed in 2014 with john kerry. and he said no, we're watching you to put on high though. and. busy it is possible that both washington named brussels refuse to support the ceasefire, may be related to the hope that these are the wills that will be able to get through to my mouse once informal. but i'm afraid these options now up there is more and more remote and never the less surprise is becoming us or not because in terms of the cdn casualties. now where you see the strengths of west and democracy, that's all right so. so that's how now a lot with boston, the popular proud to, well mark, oh i see on iron bad. so, oh you, i'm sure you noticed. okay,

let me go back to michael here is that, um, you know, the u. k is always been a strong ally of the united states or um, all of this, um, a foreign wars and interventions. but even they, i've stayed at the united nations security council, michael, it tells me that you can't government is afraid of its own people on this issue. michael, as well, it's, uh, it's all of the broiled in the ukraine. yeah. so the nice thing is that the british people are concerned about over extension themselves, already all were extended in ukraine. but i, i, as i see the, uh, the guys is the more, the more likely it's rarely is going to, this is not going to wipe out how much so much as it's going to bring in other other players. right. and yeah, we're all good trash if there's a saying yemen, and especially if possible, a beginning to react. so if it looks like more and more people are going to get killed. and i understand that the so called ground defense with beginning just this

morning. it's going to be, it's going to be very, very important to watch what the reaction will be from, especially hospitalized. i understand a son does run out of the head of the hospital. i will be speaking on friday. it's going to be a very significant space. i also understand that the love of these people so support uh possible at this point because of goods potential threat to let them know and also the liberties army backs how's the was so this could really get totally out of control. and, and i doubt that you're going to see serious, serious reaction from europeans, even though they have, they moved to the 3 ships. but the bulk of the, of the action will be of any response will come from the yeah, yeah, they did. it's made tom i was only a few months ago the jake sullivan said that things were looking pretty good in the middle east here. these are the people that are running this,

these are the people to talk about the rules based order. i mean, this is go beyond lunacy because it's so dangerous. tom. no, i won't take solve is a lie or peter, i yeah, i know, you know, you're, i know you're shocked to find out about this. i'm but no, seriously, i, i mean, i don't mean to make light of any of this i'm, it's absolutely terrified about what's actually happening here because the way i see it and guys, i have a very slightly different view of all this. then everybody else. i firmly believe that the united states be suckered into a kind of 2 cities trap on the one side from the russians in the earnings, and that the other side also being set up by the europeans and the brits to be the people that start and deal with and and for meant world war 3 and the left is a smoking room. and after the world turns us back on us as an american living in america. i can see the way i can see that playing out wilds with the british turn around and say no to us after going us into doing this and setting up our foreign

policy for all of these years. i mean, we adopted britain's foreign policy a 100 years ago. we've done their bidding. and on the world stage for a 100 years, and the more i think about this more i look, look at the per videos, listen, i'll be on and by the way to me 3 medford admin, bottom recruitment, always make sure to explain who is actually behind the conflict in ukraine, and so i think united states has always been the decision makers in london. and so this is making out in a way that is maximally bad for everyone, not just the united states because of the united states, gets involved in a work. it can't win. what does that do to the stability of a world? i mean, we, we all want the united states to end the empire, like, no, no one wants to think americans want it. everyone wants it except for the people who have foment is this conflict the right tom? i think it makes the question, let me go to mark. oh no. and in rome, i mean, because, you know, like i've mentioned that the west doesn't want to cease fire, and ukraine doesn't want it in, in causing here. i mean,

my explain explanation is that they don't want to compromise a gemini, if you, if you make a compromise, then you look week, how do you play that out, marco a while this has been the western up, but also for decades. that is the ceiling. the new and it show 1938 that the few up the other week or the other will take people to this. it's something that, that we have been watching for the case. it's not a surprise for people to watch being in the system like me. i'm fortunate to be my sense is the walk is called the room base what order e sol icons as the saying this, i mean the real meaning is. busy for my friends, everything for the others the, the blow. so basically that's a select few multiplication also of the information on you money study and no. but i just said before,

the most important issue is the call fixed. and the context is important because everybody is talking about easy way to write to self defense. we have not discussed this, right? because every nation, as these rise in the case of use that or not because of the right is there as a right to defend itself. that is the excuse to avoid international humanities at all. i wanna say, hang on folks, i have to go to a hard break. and after that hard break, we'll continue our discussion on palestine state without the take a fresh look around. is life kaleidoscopic. isn't just a shifted reality distortion by how of tired vision with no real opinions. fixtures designed to simplify will confuse really one say better wills,

and is it just as a chosen few fractured images presented as 1st? can you see through their illusion going underground can recently models and useful scrambling the coders are not. but recently, some of the told what came showed that their bodies, the order and it was little dark we and read to say and actually so 10 of course with us to hear them for it. and it was doing in house and i'm in march somewhat like we shift some of the mental nice to fully spin us las vegas to some of the kids to move so. so it'll be the georgia i'm interested in. you'll see a check the normal sleeping glass in the same or stopping place or to bring us it will allow you because you're, you'll be blacked. dyslexia tested in more towards engine loud enough. well,

you'll be protective that you're not on don x. and i said, i would just do the $290.00, she's going to learn a swing, which in kindergarten slip of data to the you know, it's quarter is much so, but as the way it is for the welcome back to cross talk, we're all things are considered i'm peter will mail to mind you were discussing palestine, the okay, because i had to go to hard break. i had a cut off marco in rome, marco, please continue where you left off. go ahead. my sense of my end, but what i wanted to say is that of course, that's the right to self defense because these one is an occupying power of another territory. these right to self defense has to be context blinds. the concept that

was invented when the tool nation went up more in strictly to and so, according to the national law, we kind of said that, that because the russian, they did ukraine, ukraine, us the right to sell it to the fans. but in the case of the east or the wind up all this time by the seasons. because these are all these occupying policy, being interrogated, seems to 56 is june 6th, 1967. these the results of the brands is not the body. and most of all, it does not to justify and disproportionate retribution. that's a quite shrinking issue in terms of international law. and this is something that basically is ignored by did the page because everybody's chilled the behind the right to self defense about the right to some of the fences must be clearly defined . e define can see that which is the specific situation which where such rights of such

a fence is invoke. and in the case of these really because of what they have been doing to the police being interested in the last 56 years. they show when it comes to become a very, very, i would say, fuzzy in a way, it's not clear costs, uh, completing it, adds that you're a b as in united states, one possibility. yeah. but it's what it's, it's, it's one of those amazing things. all 3 of you, apparently, according to the powers that be and media, it is extremely clear cut and that's what makes it so disturbing, because it's justifying a slaughter of, of a population and a population that half of which is children. michael, you, you know you've worked in the government, you've worked in the belly of the beast, who's calling the shots here? who's calling the shots? victoria? no. okay, you think so? do you think so winter in blankets? you know, you have a state state department is, is running this thing, it's not the defense department, is the state department and, and, and probably people who,

who are not even in government. and that's what i'm worried about, who are these on knowns? but clearly uh this is, this is being run by the, by the state department, particularly for going to the level i would um also add that what she, what she pointed out earlier about the causes that has led up to this explosion are, cannot be minimized. the this is very serious so the us ignores the like they the threat by the israelis to tear down. they all have some austin and, and, and rebuild on the, on the exact premises. the 3rd simple. i mean that's, that's the 3rd most reviews spot and all of this one that shows a total disregard, disrespect for religious, but continuous settlements moving into palestinian lands. it basically says the that, that to stay concept is,

is off the table. yeah. united states pushes the to stay task all day, which i think they don't believe that that's is nonsense. okay. i mean, it's nauseating. when i hear that here tom, these people, they never miss, they every crisis and they're usually at the center of it. they always take advantage of it, so let me play it out for you right here. okay, because we've had reports over the last few days for a minute is really think tank, but they would be a conflict like this. we should displace the gods and people in egypt. okay. so here's a scenario. you know, instead of, you know, the why. so we white outside, we don't want an expansion of accomplish. i think they do exactly want to do that. they want to like, totally in i like the people of god. so i'd throw them into the desert. take on has blocks and have regina change in syria. and i don't think it's an exaggeration, this a potential play out. go ahead tom. i think it's bigger than that, peter ok. again i, i tell you that why would we have what we have there and ground based error assets

that we're moving in and, and if we weren't looking at the potential of a wider conflict with a ron? yes. the displacement of dawson's book at the end of the day. i hate to say this because i hate to go to this, this level because it seems so tried at this point. but there's a lot of oil and gas there. and there's a lot of oil and gas and the go on heights and is real a star, but water and energy and as, as well, remember that we are dealing with a, it, one of the ways to look at this, i think, are the mark or, or or, or michael brighten up earlier, is that, you know, this is the destruction of how moss is part of the, is on this, on the table here, right? well, at the same time, from us as kind of i use it or lose that asset for, you know, a ron, if you will, if you want. uh, you wanna make that organize the wheels, that kind of use it or lose that asset for the british. i like the would you say that applies to has belong, you know, use it or the use lose it. yeah. why don't things now, i don't believe, i believe,

has more as a much more powerful organization than a mazda is. well, i mean what, what is the purpose of what, what is the purpose of hezbollah if it isn't going to be used? that's what i mean in that sense. in that sense, i well then, then again, like everything else, i can make a credible arguments that both sides the geopolitical $40000.00 per geopolitical level or take you are trying to take advantage of the situation or allowed it to happen by turning the other cheek like and say, well, you know, in all the, the, and all of the, the, the, the in the read the information we had that everybody was like, why, why did these realize be the border organ bubble? all of this, you ask yourself the question, like okay, then who would set that up? right? and i can make credible argument for both sides, like i can make it so i can make that credible argument for its due. were the united states into a and what facilities trap over is real, make them choose between israel and ukraine? well, at the same time, i couldn't make the argument that someone's trying to make russia choose between

ukraine in syria. and to this, to your point, peter. so why don't you start to think like the people who are actually like, orchestrating this stuff. you have to start thinking about the way they see it, but the married and then the people and then the people get slaughtered in the middle of the roll and it's just horrible. yeah, it would help, but you're really smart guy and you can thinking in the, you know, and play a multiple dimension chest, these people in power are not that smart. and that's what really bothers me here, marco's. i mean, at what point is there any point? what michael said in the very beginning that you know, nobody can stop this will be united states can stop this a big one or 2, but it has no desire to do it whatsoever. um and it will be, uh, a catastrophe for everyone involved. what is the us get out of this marco? of all, this is a good question because usually we ask our sales who's calling the shots. they fits

the united states. so read spring is quite difficult to say sometime out of the us sometime is these right? most of the time they are doing together called the need to be by playing the good golf and that's called the rose back. they've grown my sense of the, the in the last year. it does become more and more difficult to distinguish their respective roles in the medium is on the so this is basically, this is the reality. we are what she got to be seen standing is and they from go sort of 2nd to the last up then that was carried out to find the solution from the listing a show i'm referring to the hub or on the card. so basically that temples cutting 1000 marginalizing byte. so the only part is the amount that the boss and the less than the we should drove from october to 7. 8 said that to if the policy union issues called the been sold, they cannot mccully gaming to qual,

experience. i think, you know, the story de la, they've political rights that they see show at been sold, but the case a go making possibly the police being of the people with the high pro copy of the gold in the planet. the just brittany are gone, but mark, are you at the top of the big mark or you're approaching this in a very rational way and you know, and that's good. but let me go to michael. here is i mrs. supremacist ideology. it doesn't compromise with, with the people that are occupying their land. apparently, that's why this is impossible. i mean, you know, we can all be rational. and so yeah, we can design a 2 state system. we're both can live side by side in peace and prosperous. but design is ideology, doesn't permit that it as a matter of fact, is really politics of the last 20 years has gone. gone to go ahead, go ahead, marco, go ahead it to

a story. it shows us that we are dealing with the rats from the side news in the box. okay. rational trying out the okay. the thinking of. 9 our to is a robin the she moment pettus. all these people what i thought to that value on these by deal. now the problem is that the, what was the site to the right, the size of these is be coming out. are you just ideal and zine, this is a month to be surrounded by now by a religious issue. so the police being and he's ready to complete that was a secular call late. that's right. a long time. yeah. becoming a religious one, and we have something become religious. it's far more difficult to compromise. absolutely. and, and michael, and that's what's being promoted. the, the lindsey graham's, of this world entity hailey's. they wonder why that turned it into a crusade. go ahead, michael. well that there well other way,

and we're seeing this, that once you deify something very circular, it becomes that religion part of that religion. and so zionism has taken out a whole new approach here, and you're seeing it and not see it in the bi. uh now those current radical ministers to do what they want to do, what they all awesome us to, to move all palestinians, even those on the west bank out of there and, and, and back to basically the jordan and, and, and, and making us your uh, at a jewish state, you can't, there's this, it does nothing like that exists anywhere else. and we see a part time in a lot of other places. but this certainly is an exhibition of an insult display now . and, and we're not shows united states as a challenge in that. and it isn't saying that they have this thing now because

you're creating a real problem among all peoples here and, and, and this whole notion that we a spouse about diversification. what have you. it is ridiculous because we're not, we're not expressing that in this policy as well. really. oh, so i always get away with it all. it's right and i, and as i started the program, i will end the problem the way the west is comfortable in this and i be with use of words, the ethnic cleansing approaching genocide. the west is comfortable. they have blood on their hands as we watch the destruction of a people live on television. it's extremely extraordinary. as all the time we have done what i want to think, my guess invest in north florida and enrollment. of course, i want to thank our viewers for watching us here are to see you next time. remember across talking about the

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