as there are full 100 children, get it every single day or one day. and yet these really days often do new the involvement, the americans all continue protecting them, refusing to cease fire, that separative thinking the leak it twice on x platform when he called for sci fi, and then he deleted it because he's right. it was not true. 2 or 4 c fire and to stop the massacre of the police, tv and civilians. i do stay with r t next on cross talk. peter level talks with his guess about how the rules based order claims by the west doesn't apply to the people of god. the

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casualties mountain god. so the issue of international humanitarian law is essential. the west claims to defend the rules based order. however, it would appear this does not apply to the people of god. so the west is now complicit in more crimes and worse, the processing power sign. i'm joined by my guess michael, my loop and rest and he is a former pentagon senior security policy analyst in north florida. we have come a long ago. he is publisher of the gold gods and guns blog and newsletter. and in rome we cross demarco cardinal as he is a former italian diplomat, as well as a middle east adviser to prime ministers. gentlemen, cross lock roads in effect, that means you can jump any time you want, and i always appreciate uh, let me go to michael 1st here. um the united nations is estimating that a child dies every 10 minutes in gaza during this unbelievable. god

awful onslaught here. um, we have to call it out for what it is. oh, by the way, we can all watch it live. uh, you know, at 247. um these are war crimes and more and more experts in the international humanitarian law saying this is turning into a genocide. is that an exaggeration, michael? the. hi, at this point it's approaching one. yeah, i think it is. it seems as though the, even though there's talk about the kelley, the, what i'm killing of a lot of it is particularly children. but no one can do anything about it. and they don't seem to be wanting to do anything about it. nobody netanyahu rather do this thing, and this is a very unfortunate development, yet we condemn it. what, but to say the reaction here in the united states. i'm in virginia and i'm saying this all over the country that uh we're, we're, we're,

we're seeing the universities rupturing with the opposition. the unfortunate thing is that people equate what's hosted on 7 october with the, with all palestinians. and that's not the, that's not the case. and what, while that episode with thomas can not be conducted either. what, what, what the reaction is right now is, well beyond anything that was done on 7 october and, and i, i'm afraid that neither one of them can really be justified as well. of course it cannot be, but we can contextualize is they refuse to contextualize the conflict in ukraine and weak i have in my program, and i will contextualize what we're seeing in palace like this as a result of 75 years of occupation and displacement and gross violations of human rights,

of course we all should and no one should can go and we should all be very angry with the atrocity. i'll use the word against atrocity that i'm us committed. okay, but it doesn't, it doesn't let me go to tom right now. but that doesn't give israel the right to commit at the cleansing. go ahead, tom agreed. i agree. can. we can all be outraged by what happened um on the 7 block them over, but at the same time their response, since then has been well unacceptable in every and every way. and the thing is, is, is, and is, is we have asked the question, this feels that, and i even more, i'm even more worried about what's going on beyond this. right. good. so this is bad enough, but now immediately within what 24 hours or 12 hours of the mazda attack the war machine in the west, and i in all across the us, including the u. k. and i'm just in the us. and this, the ones that graham's, of the world, nikki haley, is the world of the mediately point,

fingers that are on does anybody not smell the $911.00 to step here, where the saudis point planes into, you know, the world trade center. and then we went to war with a rack. and the same thing is now we're, we're going to ethnically cleanse cause and now we're going to go to more with a ron the wires. why is the us pushing for carrier groups? have only 12 little tom. i mean, i, i'm sure all of us noticed that the axis of evil is back in vogue when it was completely just refuted. after 911 here, when we go to marco in rome, you're an expert. you've advised prime ministers on the middle east. what happened to europe? i mean, i, you know, i'm, i'm not a young man, but i remember when europe had a very different position than the united states when it came to the conflict in the middle east. now it seems like europe is in lock step. what happened? it's quite good enough to know. first of all, it's quite difficult to say was talking to you, i'd say

a complete the met them all associates. 20 years ago. we have to go back 20 years to find you the rate between gauge or us middle eastern policies. 20 years ago we sold the issue one was of course the water and iraq of the 2nd one more related to what we are watching knowing gaza was when you will impose to day us the drafting adult from the sol cool road map for the peace process which doesn't mean treat, but since the utah post, nope, acted anymore. and unfortunately the loss of time to the american, the didn't 2014 with john kerry. and he said, no, we're watching you to put on high though. and it is possible that both washington and brussels refuse to support the ceasefire. may be related to the hope

that these are the wills that will be able to get 3 to my mouse once and 4. but i'm afraid these option now up is more than more remote and never the less surprise is becoming us or not because in terms of cdn casualties. now we see the streets of western democracies. that's all right, so this is how now a lot with boston, the popular proud to well, well mark, oh i see on iron bed. so i you, i'm sure you noticed. okay, well go back to michael here is that um, you know, the u. k is always been a stance um i lived in added sites or um, all of this, um, of foreign wars and interventions. but even they, i've stayed at the united nations security council, michael, it tells me that you can't government is afraid of its own people on this issue. michael, as well, it's, uh, it's all of the broiled in the ukraine. yeah. the soda, and i think that the british people are concerned about over extension themselves, already over extended and ukraine. but i, i, as i see the, uh,

the guys is the more, the more likely it's rarely is going to, this is not going to wipe out how much so much as it's going to bring in other other players. right now. we're all good prices are saying yemen, and especially because of the beginning to react. so if it looks like more and more people are going to get killed. and i understand that the so called ground defense with beginning just this morning. it's going to be, it's going to be very, very important to watch what the reaction will be from, especially hospitalized. i understand a son does ra a, they had a hospital, i will be speaking on friday. it's going to be a very significant space. i also understand that the love of these people so support uh possible at this point because of the potential threat to let them know and also the liberties army backs how's the was so this could really be to get

totally out of control. and, and i doubt that you're gonna see serious, serious reaction from europeans, even though they have, they moved to the few ships, but the bulk of the, of the action would be of any response would come from the yeah, yeah, they did. it's made tom i was only a few months ago, the jake sullivan said that things were looking pretty good in the middle east here . these are the people that are running this. these are the people to talk about the rules based order. i mean, this is good beyond lunacy because it's so dangerous. tom. no, it won't take solve is a lie or peter, i yeah. i know, you know, you're, i know you're shocked to find out about this. i'm but no, seriously, i, i mean, i don't mean to make light of any of this i'm, it's absolutely terrified about what's actually happening here because the way i see it and guys, i have a very slightly different view of all this. then everybody else. i firmly believe that the united states be suckered into a kind of 2 cities trap on the one side from the russians in the earnings and at

the other side. also being set up by the europeans and the brits to be the people that start and deal with and, and for meant world war 3 and the left is a smoking grew and after the world turns us back on us as an american living in america, i can see the way i can see that playing out wilds with the british turn around and say no to us after going us into doing this and setting up our foreign policy for all of these years. i mean, we adopted britain's foreign policy a 100 years ago. we've done their bidding. and on the world stage for a 100 years, and the more i think about this more, i look a look at the per videos. listen, i'll be on and by the way, to me 3 medford admin, bottom recruitment, always make sure to explain who's actually behind the conflict in ukraine. and so i think united states has always been the decision makers in london. and so this is laying out in a way that is maximally bad for everyone, not just the united states because of the united states, gets involved in

a more it can't win. what does that do to the stability of a world? i mean, we, we all want the united states to end the empire, like, no, no one wants to bring americans want it. everyone wants it, except for the people who have foment is this conflict the right tom. i think it makes the question, let me go to mark. oh no. and in rome, i mean, because, you know, like i've mentioned the west doesn't want to cease fire and ukraine doesn't want it in, in causing here. i mean, my explain explanation is that they don't want to compromise a gemini, if you, if you make a compromise, then you look week, how do you play that out, marco a while this has been the western up, but also for decades. that is the ceiling. the noun, each of 1938, that the few of the other week or the other will take people do this. it's something that, that we have been watching for the case is not a surprise for people to watch being in the system. the like me on for sure,

not to be. my sense is the walk is called the room based would order e sol icons as the saying this, i mean the, the, the real meaning is. busy for my friends, everything for the others that the blue. so basically there's a select few multiplication also of the information on you money study and no. but i just said before, the most important issue is the call fixed. and the context is important because everybody's talking about easy way to write to self defense. we have not discussed this, right? because every nation as these, right? but in the case of use that i don't know because of you. well, they, they believe are the right, is there as a right to defend itself. that is the excuse to avoid international humanities at all. i wanna say, hang on folks, i have to go to a hard break. and after that hard break, we'll continue our discussion on palestine say with all

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a little bit. welcome back to across huck were all things are considered non peter in the mail to mind you were discussing palestine the okay, because i had to go to hard break. i had a cut off marco in rome, marco, please continue where you left off. go ahead. my sense of my a that well, they wanted to say is that, of course, that's the right to self defense. because he's when he's an occupying power. yeah. oh, but not the territory. these right to self defense has to be confessed. blinds the concept that was invented the way to the tool nation. the way to more instrument clicked the so called into the national low. we kind of said that, that because the russian, they did ukraine, ukraine, us the right to sell it to the fence, but in the case, so all the easier to wind up all this time by the scenes. because these are these

occupying policy being interrogated, seems to 56 is june 6th, 1967. these, the results of the brands is not the body. and most of all it does not to justify and disproportionate retribution. that's a quite shrinking issue in terms of international law. and this is something that basically is ignored by the, the page. because every, by these channels the, the behind the right to self defense about the right to some of the fence, a must be clearly defined. e define can see that in which this specific situation which was such right to start with ends easily invoke. and in the case of these really because of what they have been doing to the policy and spend the last 56 years. the show that comes to become a very, very, i would say probably in a way it's not clear call, completing the add you to be honest and united states of all past to believe. yeah, but it's what it's, it's, it's one of those amazing things. all 3 of you,

apparently, according to the powers that be and media, it is extremely clear cut and that's what makes it so disturbing, because it's justifying a slaughter of, of a population and a population that half of which is children. michael, you know you've worked in the government, you've worked in the belly of the beast, who's calling the shots here? who's calling the shots? victoria? no. okay, you think so? do you think so? have winter in blankets. you know, you have a state state department is, is running this thing, it's not the defense department, is the state department and, and, and probably people who, who are not even in government. and that's what i'm worried about, who are these on knowns. but clearly this is, this is being run by the, by the state department, particularly for boynton level. i would, um also add that what she, what she pointed out earlier about the causes that has led up to this explosion are,

cannot be minimized. the this is very serious so the us ignores the light like they, that's right. by the israelis to tear down. they all have some austin and then rebuild on the, on the exact premises. the 3rd simple. i mean that's, that's the 3rd most reviews spot and all of this on the shows a total disregard disrespect for religious the continuous of settlements moving into palestinian lands. it basically says they that, that to stay concept is, is off the table. yeah. united states pushes the to stay, task all, do what to i think they don't believe that that's is nonsense. okay. i mean, it's nauseating. when i hear that here tom, these people, they never miss. they every crisis and they're usually at the center of it. they always take advantage of it, so let me play it out for you right here. okay,

because we've had reports over the last few days from it is rarely think tank, but they would be a conflict like this. we should displace the gods and people in egypt. okay. so here's the scenario. you know, instead of, you know, the why. so we white house, i, we don't want an expansion of accomplish. i think they do exactly want to do that. they want to like, totally annihilate the people of god. so i'd throw them into the desert. take on has blocks and have regina change in syria. and i don't think it's an exaggeration this uh, potential play out. go ahead tom. i think it's bigger than that. peter, okay. yeah, and i, i tell you that why would we have what we have there and ground based error assets that we're moving in and, and if we weren't looking at the potential of a wider conflict with a ron? um, yes, the displacement of dawson's book at the end of the day, i hate to say this because i hate to go to this to this level because it seems to have tried at this point. but there's a lot of oil and gas there. and there's

a lot of oil and gas and the go on heights and is real a star, but, but water and energy and as, as well, remember that we are dealing with a, it, one of the ways to look at this, i think, are the mark or or, or, or michael breton up earlier, is that, you know, this is the destruction of how moss is part of the, is on this, on the table here, right. well, at the same time, how mazda is kind of, i use it or lose that asset for, you know, a ron, if you will, if you want. uh, you wanna make that organ. i agree, i just, i, i just realized that kind of use it or lose that asset for the british. i like the would you say that applies to his blog, you know, use it or to use. i lose it. yeah. why don't things know, i don't believe, i believe, has was a much more powerful organization than a mazda is. well, i mean, what, what is your purpose of what, what is the purpose of hezbollah if it isn't going to be used? that's what i mean in that sense. in that sense, i well then, then again, like everything else, i couldn't make a credible arguments that both sides the geopolitical $40000.00 per geo political level. or take

a try and take advantage of the situation or allowed it to happen by turning the other cheek like and say, well, you know, in all the, the, and all of the, the, the, the in the read the information we had that everybody was like, why or why did these really is be the border organ bubble? all of this, you ask yourself the question, like okay, then who would set that up? right? and i can make credit bargain for both sides, like i can make it so i can make a credible argument for its to where the united states into a and what facilities trap over is real, make them choose between israel and ukraine, while at the same time i couldn't make the argument that someone's trying to make russia choose between ukraine in syria and to just to your point, peter. so why don't you start to think like the people who are actually like orchestrating this stuff? you have to start thinking about the way they see the upstairs and then the people on and the people get slaughtered in the middle of the wrong. it's just horrible.

yeah, it would help. but you're really smart guy, and you can thinking in a, you know, and play a multiple dimension chest, these people in power are not that smart, then that's what really bothers me here, marco's. i mean, at what point is there any point? what michael said in the very beginning that you know, nobody can stop this will be united states can stop this a big one or 2, but it has no desire to do it whatsoever. and, and it'll be uh, a catastrophe for everyone involved. what is the us get out of this marco? of all, this is a good question because usually we ask our sales who's calling the shots. they fits the united states. the read spring is quite difficult to say sometime out of the us . some time is huge, right? most of the time they are doing together to coordinate the lead by playing the good golf and that's called the rose back. they've grown my sense of the, the in the last year. it does become more and more difficult to distinguish their

respective roles in the medium is on the so this is basically the, the, the reality we are what she got to be seen standing in. so they found go sort of 2nd to the last stop then that was it carried out to find the solution from the policy. now you show, i'm referring to the hub or on the code. so basically the samples cutting 1000 marginalizing by throwing the part of the senior and under the boss. and the lesson we should drove from october to 7. 8 said that to if the policy union issues called the been sold, they cannot mccully gaming to qual, experience. i think in order to read a de la, they've political rights, it these the show at been sold the decades ago. may, can possibly the police feel that people with the high pro copy of the

gold in the planet, the brittany are gone. but mark, are you at the top of? yeah, but mark or you're approaching this in a very rational way and you know, and that's good, but let me go to michael here. esign is i mrs. supremacist ideology. it doesn't compromise with, with the people that are occupying their land. apparently, that's why this is impossible. i mean, you know, we can all be rational. and so, yeah, we could design a 2 state system. we're both can live side by side in peace and prosperous. but design is ideology, doesn't permit that it as a matter of fact, is really politics of the last 20 years has gone. gone to go ahead, go ahead, marco, go ahead, bid to eat story. it shows us that we are dealing with the rats from the side is in the box. okay. rational try it out. okay. the thinking about to is a robin, the shimon peres. all these people, what i thought to that saw you on these by deal. now the problem is that the,

what was said to the right, the size of these, these be coming out, are you just ideal and zine, this is a month to be surrounded by now by a religious issue. so the police being and he's ready to complete that was on the secular, call it after a long time. yeah. becoming a religious one and we have something become religious. it's far more difficult to compromise. absolutely. and michael, and that's what's being promoted. the. the lindsey grams of this world entity hailey's. they wonder why that turned it into a crusade. go ahead, michael. well, that there well other way, and we're seeing this, that once you deify something very circular, it becomes that religion part of that religion. and so zionism has taken out a whole new approach here, and you've seen it and not see it in the bi. uh now those current radical ministers

to do what they want to do, what they all awesome us do to move all palestinians, even those on the west bank out of there and and back to basically the jordan and, and, and, and making us your uh, jewish state you can't, there's this, it does nothing like that exists anywhere else. and we see a par type in a lot of other places. but this certainly is an exhibition of an insult display now . and, and we're not shown as united states as a challenge in that. and it, is it saying that we have this thing now because you're creating a real problem among all peoples here and, and, and this whole notion that we, a spouse about diversification. what have you, it is ridiculous because we're not, we're not expressing that in this policy. as well the way with it all, it's right and i, and as i started the program,

i will end the problem the way the west is comfortable in this and i be we do use the words, the ethnic cleansing, approaching genocide. the west is comfortable. they have blood on their hands as we watch the destruction of a people live on television. it's extremely extraordinary. it's all the time we have done what i want to thank my guess invest in north florida and enrollment. of course i want to thank our viewers for watching us here archie. so you next time remember across talking about the the, the gym. and so just deal with the, with the window taking the picture. they were proud of the muscle by the way, to go in your mouth, because i didn't look up my, your printer there, know that he got dirty with or i. so it was you like you on google, more guy and with then almost a week ago, and then we'll get to bundle the,

the journal say to us just loved the street. but is this in the last? there's never been to the did you purchase a i did you please give us a time to time price fashion hoya to do this yourself over to extra us us to give v as in actually this is a very bold decision by the gym and the government to even stop because when the agreement was reached, gena, they did more divisions and more and got more questions or more of those they are, is using to pay us what they are giving us is go to the pollution congress. and now we have not been support,

you've called what has been happening here. it will open the ponder as box the next thing it will be them for then also have to pay the the shocking images from northern gaza as a refugee campus hit by. and as rarely are, is frank with hundreds killed and injured. the idea of claims that was targeting a mazda commander. also, the java has become a great job for children. it's a living hell for everyone else. unicef expressed as grave concern for children in gaza as a policy and in death toll surpasses 8500 nearly half our children. south america condemns israel strike on a garza refugee a campus. bolivia,