the, the, [000:00:00;00] the, [000:00:00;00] the hello and welcome to cross software. all things are considered non peter level as casualties, mountain gods, or the issue of international humanitarian law is essential. the west claims to

defend the rules based order. however, it would appear. this does not apply to the people of gaza. the west is now complicit in more crimes and worse, the processing power assign. i'm joined by my guess michael. my loop in wrestling. he is a former pentagon senior security policy analyst in north florida. we have come a long ago. he is publisher of the gold gods and guns blog and newsletter and in rome, across demarco cardinal as he is a former italian diplomat, as well as a middle east adviser to prime ministers. gentlemen cross black roles and the fact that means you can jump any time you want and i always appreciated. let me go to michael 1st. here. the united nations is estimating that a child dies every 10 minutes in gaza during this unbelievable. god

awful onslaught here. um, we have to call it out for what it is. oh, by the way, we can all watch it live. uh, you know, 247. um, these are war crimes and more and more experts in the international humanitarian law saying this is turning into a genocide. is that an exaggeration, michael? a. hi, at this point it's approach one. yeah, i think it is. it seems as though the, even though there's talk about the kelly, the what i'm telling of a lot of it is particularly children and no one can do anything about it. and they don't seem to be wanting to do anything about it. and what do you mean yahoo rudders do this thing? and this is a very unfortunate development, yet we condemn it. what you're seeing the reaction here in the united states. i'm in virginia and i'm saying this all over the country that we're, we're, we're,

we're seeing the universities rupturing with the opposition. the unfortunate thing is that people equate what hosted on 7 october width uh, with all the palestinians. and, and that's not the, that's not the case. and what, while that episode with tom us cannot be conducted and either what, what the, what the reaction is right now is, well beyond anything that was done on 7 october. and, and i, i'm afraid that of neither one of them can really be justified. so of course it cannot be, but we can contextualize is they refuse to contextualize the conflict in ukraine and weak. i have in my program and i will contextualize what we're seeing and palace like this as a result of 75 years of occupation and displacement and gross violations of human rights. of course, we all should and no one should can go,

we should all be very angry with the atrocity. i'll use the word against atrocity that i'm us committed. okay, but it doesn't, it doesn't let me go to tom right now, but that doesn't give israel the right to commit at the cleansing. go ahead, tom agreed. i agree. can. we can all be outraged by what happened as on the 7th document were, but at the same time their response, since then has been well unacceptable in every and every way. and the thing is, is, and is, is we have asked the question, this feels to then i even more, i'm even more worried about what's going on beyond this, right. it's, this is bad enough, but now, immediately within what 24 hours or 12 hours of the mazda attack the war machine in the west. and i mean all across the west, including the u. k. and i'm just in the u. s. and this, the ones, the grams of the world, nikki haley, is the world to the mediately point. fingers that are on. does anybody not smell the 911 to step here? where saudi's point planes into, you know,

the world trade center and then we went to war with a rack. and the same thing is now we're, we're gonna ethnically cleanse cause a and now we're going to go to war with a ron the wires. why is the us pushing for carrier groups? have only 12 little tom, i mean i, i'm sure all of us noticed that the axis of evil was back in vogue when it was completely just refuted. after 911 here, when they go to marco in rome, you're an expert, you've advised prime ministers on the middle east. what happened to europe? i mean, i, you know, i'm, i'm not a young man, but i remember when europe had a very different position than the united states when it came to the conflict in the middle east. now it seems like europe is in lock step. what happened? it's quite good enough to know. first of all, it's quite difficult to say was talking to you, i'd say

a complete the mental mod associates 20 years ago. we have to go back 20 years to find you the rate between gauge or us middle eastern policies. 20 years ago. we sold that on to issue one was of course the water and iraq. the 2nd one more related to what we are watching now in gaza. when. busy when you will impose to day us the drafting adults from the sol cool road map for the peace process which doesn't elementary, but since the utah plus not active anymore. and unfortunately the loss of time to the american steed in 2014 with john kerry. and he said no, we're watching you to put on high dual and. busy it is possible that both washington and brussels refuse to support the ceasefire. may be related to the hope that these are the wills that will be able to get through to my mouse once and 4.

but i'm afraid these option now up is more than more remote another, this is surprise is the coming us are know me cold in terms of civilian casualties . now we see the streets of western democracies that type of stuff. that's how now lot wouldn't bostic popular, proud to. well mark, oh i see an eye on that. so are you, i'm sure you noticed. okay, let me go back to michael here is that um, you know, the u. k is always been a strong ally of the united states or all of this, um, a foreign wars and interventions. but even days of state that the united nations security council, michael, it tells me that you can't government is afraid of its own people on this issue. michael as well, it's uh, it's all of the broiled in the ukraine. yeah. the soda, and i think that the british people are concerned about over extension themselves. already all were extended in ukraine. but i, i, as i see the, uh,

the guys is the more, the more likely it's rarely is going to, this is not gonna wipe out how much so much as it's going to bring in other other players. right now we're all good prices are saying yemen, and especially because of the beginning to react. so if it looks like more and more people are going to get killed. and i understand that the so called ground defense with beginning just this morning. it's going to be, it's going to be very, very important to watch what the reaction will be from, especially hospitalized. i understand a son does run out of the head of a hospital. i will be speaking on friday. it's going to be a very significant space. i also understand that the love of these people so support uh possible at this point because of the potential threat to let them know and also the liberties army backs how's the was so this could really be to get totally out of control. and, and i doubt that you're gonna see serious,

serious reaction from europeans, even though they have, they moved to the 3 ships, but the bulk of the, of the action would be of any response would come from the yeah, yeah, they did. it's made tom i was only a few months ago, the jake sullivan said that things were looking pretty good in the middle east here . these are the people that are running this. these are the people to talk about the rules based order. i mean, this is go beyond lunacy because it's so dangerous. tom. no, it will take solve is a lie or peter, i yeah. i know, you know, you're, i know you're shocked to find out about this. i'm but no, seriously, i, i mean, i don't mean to make light of any of this i'm, it's absolutely terrified about what's actually happening here because the way i see it and guys, i have a very slightly different view of all this. then everybody else. i firmly believe that the united states be suckered into a kind of 2 cities trap on the one side from the russians in the earnings and at the other side. also being set up by the europeans and the brits to be the people

that start and deal and, and for meant world war 3 and the left is a smoking room. and after the world turns us back on us as an american living in america. i can see the way i can see that playing out wilds with the british turn around and say no to us after going us into doing this and setting up our foreign policy for all of these years. i mean, we adopted britain's foreign policy a 100 years ago. we've done their bidding. and on the world stage for a 100 years, and the more i think about this, the more i look, look at the per videos, listen, i'll be on. and by the way, dmitri met with evan vladimir putin always make sure to explain who's actually behind the conflict in ukraine. and so i think united states has always been the decision makers in london. and so this is laying out in a way that is maximally bad. for everyone, not just the united states because of the united states, gets involved in a more it can't win. what does that do to the stability of a world? i mean, we, we all want the united states to end the empire, like, no,

no one wants to think americans want it. everyone wants it, except for the people who have foment is this conflict the right tom. i think it makes the question, let me go to mark. oh no. and in rome, i mean, because, you know, like i've mentioned the west doesn't want to cease fire and ukraine doesn't want it in, in causing here. i mean, my explain explanation is that they don't want to compromise a gemini, if you, if you make a compromise, then you look week, how do you play that out, marco? well, this has been the western approach for decades. that is the seeing the new and it show 1938 that the few of the other week or the other will take people to this. it's something that that we have been watching for the case is not a surprise for people to watch being in the system. the like me, i'm for sure not to be. my sense is the work is called the room baseboard order is

all i caught as the saying this. i mean the, the, the real meaning is. busy for my friends, everything for the others, the, the blue. so basically the select few multiplication also of the information on you money 30, i don't know. but i just said before, the most important issue is the call fixed. and the context is important because everybody's talking about easy way, the right to self defense. we have not discussed this, right? because every nation as these right, it's in the case of use that i don't know because of the right is there as a right to defend itself. that is the excuse to avoid international you manage, not all i wanna say, hang on folks, i have to go to a hard break. and after that hard break,

we'll continue our discussion on palestine say with all the the the in 1492 this evening. christopher columbus rates, the bahamas and discovery, the new world for europe. the wealth of america and its fast territories. cosby

envy of the europeans, especially the spaniards and the portuguese. they sought after taking over these lands. however, there lived indigenous peoples with a high culture and their own nationhood, their barbaric colonization of america, which went down in history under the name of con, diesel. that lasted for more than 100 years. in 1521 care design, cortez is done with doors captured and destroyed the capital of the aztec empire. daniels practically massacring the local population. following them, francisco pizarro is gone. case the doors destroyed the inc. empire as a result of spanish aggression, the ancient maya civilization collapse, suppressing the resistance of the indians. the invaders carried out mass executions . the horrendous genocide was aggravated by the diseases that the europeans had brought to america. the number of the indigenous population decreased 16 times from

251 and a half 1000000 people from keystone became one of the largest demographic disaster fees of mankind and remains an indelible bloody stain in the history of the european colonial empires. the the welcome back to across software. all things are considered non peter with mel to mind you were discussing palestine, the okay, because i had to go to hard break. i had a cut off marco in rome, marco,

please continue where you left off. go ahead. my send somebody that well, they wanted to say is that of course, that's the right to self defense because he's, when he's an occupying power of another territory. these right to self defense has to be contextualized. the concept that was invented the weight of the tool nation with a more instrument clicked the so called into the national low. we can say that that because the russian, they did ukraine, you ok now the right to set it to the fence. but the, in the case of the easier to wind up all this time for the scenes. because these are these occupying policies, union territory, it seems to 56 is june 6th, 1967. these, the results of the brands is not the body. and most of all, it does not to justify and disproportionate retribution. that's a quite shrinking issue in terms of international law. and this is something that

basically is ignored by the, the page because every, by these channels the, the behind the right to self defense about the right to some of the fence, a must be clearly defined. e define can see that in which this specific situation which was such right just such a fence is invoke, i mean the case of these really because of what they have been doing to the police seen. and it's been a lot speech the 6 years. the show me comes to become a very, very, i would say probably, you know, way, it's not clear costs completed as you are to be honest and united states of all past to believe. yeah. but it's what it's, it's, it's one of those. i mean, you say things, all 3 of you, apparently, according to the powers that be and media, it is extremely clear cut and that's what makes it so disturbing because it's justifying a slaughter of, of a population and a population that half of which is children. michael, you know you've worked in the government, you've worked in the belly of the beast,

who's calling the shots here? who's calling the shots? victoria? no. okay, you think so? do you think so winter in blankets? you know, you have a state state department is, is running this thing, it's not the defense department, is the state department and, and, and probably people who, who are not even in government. and that's what i'm worried about, who are these on knowns. but clearly, this is, this is being run by the, by the state department, particularly for boynton level. i would, um also add that what she, what she pointed out earlier about the causes that have led up to this explosion are, cannot be minimized. the, this is very serious so the us ignores the like they, that's right by the israelis to tear down the all awesome. awesome. and then rebuild on the, on the exact premises. the 3rd simple. i mean that's,

that's the 3rd most reviews spot and, you know, all of this on the shows a total disregard disrespect for religious, but continuous of settlements moving into palestinian lands. it basically says they that, that to stay concept is, is off the table. yeah. united states pushes the to stay, task all, do what to i think they don't believe that that's is nonsense. okay. i mean, it's nauseating. when i hear that here tom, these people may never miss. they every crisis and they're usually at the center of it. they always take advantage of it, so let me play it out for you right here. okay, because we've had reports over the last few days. for him, it is rarely think tank that they would be a conflict like this. they should displace the gods and people in egypt. okay. so here's the scenario. you know, instead of, you know, the why. so we white house, i, we don't want an expansion of accomplish. i think they do exactly want to do that. they want to like,

i totally and i like the people of god. so i'd throw them into the desert. take on has blocks and have regina change in syria. and i don't think it's an exaggeration this uh potential play out. go ahead tom. i think it's bigger than that, peter. okay. yeah, and i, i tell you that why would we have what we have there and ground based error assets that we're moving in and, and if we weren't looking at the potential of a wider conflict with a ron? yes. the displacement of dawson's book at the end of the day. i hate to say this because i hate to go to this to this level because it seems or tried at this point . but there's a lot of oil and gas there. and there's a lot of oil and gas and the go on heights and is real a star, but, but water and energy and as, as well, remember that we are dealing with a, it, one of the ways to look at this, i think, are the mark or or, or, or michael breton up earlier is that, you know, this is the destruction of hamas is part of the, as long as on the table here, right? well, at the same time, how mazda is kind of,

i use it or lose that asset for, you know, a ron, if you will, if you want. uh and you wanna make that organ. i agree, i just, i, i just realized that kind of use it or lose that asset for the british. i like the would you say that applies to his blog, you know, use it or to use? i lose it because i, why don't things now, i don't believe, i believe, has was a much more powerful organization than a mazda is. well, i mean what, what is the purpose of what, what is the purpose of hezbollah if it isn't going to be used? that's what i mean in that sense. in that sense, i well then, then again, like everything else, i couldn't make a credible arguments that both sides the geopolitical 40000, but your political level or take you're trying to take advantage of the situation or allowed it to happen by turning the other cheek like and say, well, you know, in all the, the, and all of the, the, the, the in the read the information we had that everybody was like, why or why did these really is be the border organ bubble?

all of this, you ask yourself the question, like okay, then who would set that up? right? and i can make credit bargain for both sides, like i can make it so i can make a credible argument for it to lower the united states into a. and what facilities trap over is real, make them choose between israel and ukraine. but at the same time, i couldn't make the argument that someone's trying to make russia choose between ukraine in syria. and this to your point, peter. so like when you start to think like the people who are actually like orchestrating this stuff, you have to start thinking about the way they see the area and then and then the people and then the people get slaughtered in the middle, middle of drawing. and it's just horrible. yeah, it would help, but you're really smart guy and you can thinking in a, you know, and play a multiple dimension chest, these people in power are not that smart, then that's what really bothers me here, marco's. i mean, at what point is there any point? what michael said in the very beginning that you know, nobody can stop this will be united states can stop this a big one or 2,

but it has no desire to do it whatsoever. um and it will be, uh, a catastrophe for everyone involved. what is the us get out of this marco? of all, this is a good question because usually we ask our sales who's calling the shots they fits the united states. the reason is, is quite difficult to say sometime out of the us. some time is huge, right? most of the time they are doing together to coordinate the lead by playing the good golf and that's called the rose back. they've grown my sense of the, the in the last year. it does become more and more difficult to distinguish their respective roles in the medium is on the so this is basically, this is the reality. we are what she got to be seen standing in. so they found go sort of 2nd to the last up then that was carried out to find the solution from the listing

a show i'm referring to the harbor on my card. so basically that temples cutting 1000 marginalizing byte. so the only part is the amount that the boss and the less than we should drove from october to 7. 8 said that to if the policy union issues called the been sold, they cannot mccully gaming to qual, experience, i think. but in order to do a demo, they political rights, it these, the show at been sold, but the case, the goal making possibly the policy being of the people with the high pro copy of the gold in the planet, the new york on the market are you at the top of every mark or you're approaching this in a very rational way and you know, and that's good. but let me go to michael. here is zion. is i mrs. supremacist ideology? it doesn't compromise with, with the people that are occupying their land. apparently, that's why this is impossible. i mean, you know,

we can all be rational and so yeah, we could design a 2 state system. we're both can live side by side in peace and prosperous. but design this idea. ology doesn't permit that. it, as a matter of fact, is really politics of the last 20 years has gone to go ahead, go ahead, marco, go ahead, bid to eat story shows us that we are dealing with the rats from the side of things in the box. okay. rational trying out the okay, the thinking of. 9 our to is a robin, the shimon peres. all these people. what attached to that value on these by deal? now the problem is that the, what was said to the right, the size of these is be coming out or you just ideal and zine. this is a month to be surrounded by now by a religious issue. so the police being and he's ready to complete that was on the secular, call it after a long time. yeah. becoming

a religious one and we have something become religious. it's far more difficult to compromise. absolutely, and michael, and that's what's being promoted. the, the lindsey grams of this world entity hailey's. they wonder why that turned it into a crusade. go ahead, michael. well that there, well other way, and we're seeing this that once you deify something very circular, it becomes that religion part of that religion. and so is i ism, has taken out a whole new approach here, and you're seeing it and not see it in the by uh now those current radical ministers to do what they want to do, what they all awesome us to, to move all palestinians, even those on the west bank out of there and in fact it basically it is a jordan and, and, and, and making sure that the jewish state you can't, there's this, it does nothing like that exist anywhere else. and we see

a par type in a lot of other places, but this certainly is an exhibition of an insult display now. and, and we're not shown as united states as a challenge in that. and it isn't saying that they have this thing now because you're creating a real problem among all peoples here and, and, and this whole notion that we a spouse about diversification. what have you, it is ridiculous because we're not, we're not expressing that in this policy as well. really. oh, so i always get away with it all. it's right and i, and as i started the program, i will end the problem the way the west is comfortable in this and i be with use of words, the ethnic cleansing approaching genocide. the west is comfortable. they have blood on their hands as we watch the destruction of a people live on television. it's extremely extraordinary. as all the time we have done what i want to think, my guess invest in north florida and enrollment. of course, i want to thank our viewers for watching us here. ok. so you next time,

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