to the west claims to defend the rules based order. however, it would appear. this does not apply to the people of gaza. the west is now complicit in more crimes and worse, the processing power assign. i'm joined by my guess michael, my loop in rest and he is a former pentagon senior security policy analyst in north florida. we have come a long ago. he is publisher of the gold gods and guns blog and newsletter and in rome we cross demarco cardinal as he is a former italian diplomat, as well as a middle east adviser to prime ministers. gentlemen cross lock rolls in effect, that means it can jump any time you want it. i always appreciate. let me go to michael 1st here. um the united nations is estimating that a child dies every 10 minutes in gaza during this unbelievable. god awful onslaught here. um, we have to call it out for what it is. oh, by the way,

we can all watch it live. uh, you know, at 247. um, these are war crimes and more and more experts in the international humanitarian law saying this is turning into a genocide. is that an exaggeration, michael? a. hi, at this point it's approach one. yeah, i think it is. it seems as though the, even though there's talk about the kelly, the what i'm telling of a lot of it is particularly children and no one can do anything about it. and they don't seem to be wanting to do anything about it. and what do you mean yahoo rudders do this thing? and this is a very unfortunate development, yet we condemn it. what, but you're seeing the reaction here in the united states. i'm in virginia and i'm saying this all over the country that we're, we're, we're, we're seeing the universities rupturing with the opposition. the unfortunate thing

is that people equate what hosted on 7 october width uh, with all palestinians. and, and that's not the, that's not the case. and what, while that episode with tom us cannot be conducted either what, what the, what the reaction is right now is well beyond anything that was done on 7 october and, and i, i'm afraid that of neither one of them can really be justified as well. of course it cannot be, but we can contextualize is they refuse to contextualize the conflict in ukraine and weak. i have in my program and i will contextualize what we're seeing and palace like this as a result of 75 years of occupation and displacement and gross violations of human rights. of course, we all should and no one should can go, we should all be very angry with the atrocity. i'll use the word against atrocity

that i'm us committed. okay, but it doesn't, it doesn't let me go to tom right now, but that doesn't give israel the right to commit at the cleansing. go ahead, tom agreed. i agree. can. we can all be outraged by what happened and on the 7 document were. but at the same time, their response, since then has been well unacceptable in every and every way. and the thing is, is, and is, is we have asked the question this deal. so then i even more, i'm even more worried about what's going on beyond this right. it's business bad enough, but now immediately within what 24 hours or 12 hours of the mazda attack the war machine in the west, and i in all across the us, including the u. k. and i'm just in the u. s. and this, the ones, the grams of the world, nikki haley, is the world to the mediately point they are. is it a ron? does anybody not smell the 911 to step here? where saudi's point planes into, you know,

the world trade center and then we went to war with a rack. and the same thing is now we're, we're gonna ethnically cleanse cause and now we're going to go to more with a ron b wires. why is that us pushing for carrier groups? have only 12 little tom. i mean i, i'm sure all of us noticed that the axis of evil was back in vogue when it was completely just refuted. after 911 here, when they go to marco in rome, you're an expert, you've advised prime ministers on the middle east. what happened to europe? i mean, i, you know, i'm, i'm not a young man, but i remember when europe had a very different position than the united states when it came to the conflict in the middle east. now it seems like europe is in lock step. what happened? it's quite a good reduction on. first of all, it's quite difficult to say, well, it's often to you. i'd say i complete the metamorphosis. 20 years ago, we have to go back 20 years to find you ready to engage us middle eastern bonuses.

20 years ago. we sold that on to issue one, was of course the water and iraq or the 2nd one more related to what we are watching. knowing gaza was when you will impose to day us the drafting the door of the sol cool road map for the peace process, which doesn't intreat. but since then, you will pass, nope, acted anymore. and unfortunately the loss of time to the american steed in 2014, with john kerry. and he said, no, we're watching you to put on high though. and it is possible that both washington and brussels refuse to support the ceasefire. may be related to the hope that these are the wills. that bill will be able to get 3 to my mouse once and 4, but i'm afraid these option now up there is more and more remote another this is

surprise is becoming us or not because in terms of civilian casualties. now we see the straits of western democracy, that type of stuff that's happening now. lot wouldn't buy say the popular product as well. well mark, oh i see an eye on that. so are you, i'm sure you noticed. okay, let me go back to michael. here is that, um, you know, the u. k is always been a stance um ally have been added sites or um, all of this, um, of foreign wars and interventions. but even days of state that the united nations security council, michael, it tells me that you can't government is afraid of its own people on this issue. michael as well, it's, uh, it's all of the broiled in the ukraine. yeah. so the nice things that the british people are concerned about over extension themselves, already over extended and ukraine. but i, i, as i see the, uh, the guys is the more, the more likely it is rarely is going to, this is not gonna wipe out how much so much as it's going to bring in other other

players. right now, we're all good trash if there's a saying yemen, and especially if possible, a beginning to react. so if it looks like more and more people are going to get killed. and i understand that the so called ground defense with beginning just this morning. it's going to be, it's going to be very, very important to watch what the reaction will be from, especially hospitalized. i understand a son does run out of the head of a hospital. i will be speaking on friday. it's going to be a very significant space. i also understand that the love of these people so support possible at this point because of the potential threat to let them know and also the liberties army backs how's the was so this could really be to get totally out of control. and, and i doubt that you're going to see serious, serious reaction from europeans, even though they have,

they moved to the few ships, but the bulk of the, of the action would be of any response would come from the yeah, yeah, they did, it's made tom, i was only a few months ago, the jake sullivan said that things were looking pretty good in the middle east here . these are the people that are running this. these are the people to talk about the rules based order. i mean, this is go beyond lunacy because it's so dangerous. tom. no, i won't take solve is a lie or peter, i yeah. i know, you know, you're, i know you're shocked to find out about this. i'm but no, seriously, i, i mean, i don't mean to make light of any of this i'm, it's absolutely terrified about what's actually happening here because the way i see it and guys, i have a very slightly different view of all this. then everybody else. i firmly believe that the united states is be suckered into a kind of 2 cities trap on the one side from the russians in the earnings, and that the other side also being set up by the europeans and the brits to be the people that start and deal with and, and for meant world war 3 and the left is

a smoking ruined after the world. turns us back on us as an american living in america. i can see the way i can see that playing out wilds with the british turn around and say no to us after going us into doing this and setting up our foreign policy for all of these years. i mean, we adopted britain's foreign policy a 100 years ago. we've done their bidding. and on the world stage for a 100 years, and the more i think about this more i look, look at the per videos. listen, i'll be on and by the way, give me 3 medford evan vladimir putin always make sure to explain who's actually behind the conflict in ukraine. and so i think united states has always been the decision makers in london. and so this is making out in a way that is maximally bad for everyone, not just the united states because of the united states, gets involved in a work, it can't win. what does that do to the stability of a world? i mean, we, we all want the united states to end the empire, like, no,

no one wants to bring americans want it. everyone wants it, except for the people who have foment is this conflict the right tom. i think it makes the question, let me go to mark. oh no. and in rome, i mean, because, you know, like i've mentioned that the west doesn't want to cease fire and ukraine doesn't want it in, in causing here. i mean, my explain explanation is that they don't want to compromise a gemini, if you, if you make a compromise, then you look week, how do you play that out, marco a while this has been the western up, but also for decades. that is the ceiling. the new and it show 1938 that the few of the other week or the other will take people to this. it's something that, that we have been watching on the case. it's not a surprise for people to watch being in the system like me. i'm fortunate to be my sense is the walk is called the room based what order is all icons as the

saying this? i mean the real meaning is. busy for my friends, everything for the others, the, the blue. so basically the select the lock location, the oldest of the information on you money 30, i don't know. but i just said before, the most important issue is the call fixed. and the context is important because everybody's talking about easy way to right to set defense. we have not discussed this, right? because every nation as these, right? but in the case of use that i don't know because of the right is there as a right to defend itself. that is the excuse to avoid international humanities at all. i wanna say, hang on folks, i have to go to a hard break. and after that hard break, we'll continue our discussion on palestine say without the

what else seemed wrong. just don't you have to shape house to come and engagement trails. when so many find themselves will depart. we choose to look so common ground the the, the gym and so just deal with the, with the one with taking the picture. they were proud of the muscle by the way, to go in your mouth because i didn't recommend your opinion or no, but he got started with, well i actually, it was who i see on google, my guy and weird. and then almost a week ago, and then we'll get to under the, under the general say to us, love to the street. but this,

this indeed reality. last has never been to the did you purchase a high, did you please give us a time to time prize size and call you to do this to yourself of it's just extra us us to give is and and so this is a very bold decision by the gym and government to even stop because he is when the agreement was generated more divisions and more and god more questions or more of those we are using to pay us. what they are giving us is go to the pollution conference and now we have not been so frontier calls what has been happening here. it will open the ponder as books, the next thing it will be them for then also have to pay

the the so to the 1st was little what i mean. the close i filled with the mean good will which, which i'm really pleased with for 2 new solution. it could be and you would have them a video for the short notice that would be just to put your thumb. cool. if you please. so little was, i mean, you source level of control, which is the good can you point me up? i'm not sure if i q you go. awesome. so this is going to move to the social

and she'll go and i'm on the wall as we're pointing to the bus. and so despite the welcome back across, ok, we're all things are considered and peter will mail to mind you were discussing palestine the okay, because i had to go to hard break. i had a cut off marco in rome, marco, please continue where you left off. go ahead. my send somebody that will. they wanted to say is that the of course, that's the right to self defense. because these one is an occupying power of another tyree 30. these right to self defense has to be contextualized. the concept that was invented the way to the tool nation wide or more instrument clicked the so

called into the national low. we kind of said that the big, the russian, they did ukraine. you ok now. so the right to sell it to the fans, but the, in the case of the easier to wind up all this time by the scenes. because these are these occupying policies, union territory, it seems to 56 is june 6th, 1967. these, the results of the brands is not the body and most of all, it does not to justify and disproportionate recognition. that's quite shrinking issue in terms of international law. this is something that basically is ignored by the, the page because every, by these channels the, the behind, the right to self defense about the right to some of the fences must be clearly defined. e define can see that in which this specific situation, which was such a right to subs advance is invoke. i mean the case of these really because of what they have been doing to their policy. and it's been the last 56 years. they show me

it comes to become a very, very, i would say, probably in a way, it's not clear costs completing the add your b as in united states one passed to believe. yeah, but it's what it's, it's one of those amazing things. all 3 of you, apparently, according to the powers that be and media, it is extremely clear cut and that's what makes it so disturbing, because it's justifying a slaughter of, of a population and a population that half of which is children. michael, you know you've worked in the government, you've worked in the belly of the beast, who is calling the shots here. who's calling the shots? victoria? no. okay, you think so? you think so winter in blankets? you know, you have a state state department is, is running this thing, it's not the defense department, is the state department and, and probably people who, who are not even in government. and that's what i'm worried about,

who are these on knowns? but clearly uh this is, this is being run by the, by the us that the state department, particularly the blinking level. i would um also add that what she, what she pointed out earlier about the classes that have led up to this explosion are, cannot be minimized. this is very serious and the us ignores the like they, that's right. by the israelis to tear down. they all have some austin and then rebuild on on, on the exact premises. the 3rd simple. i mean that, that's the 3rd most reviews spot and all of this on this shows a total disregard disrespect for religious, but continuous of settlements moving into palestinian lands. it basically says the that the to stay concept is, is off the table. yeah, united states pushes the to stay task. oh, do they?

they don't believe that. that's this nonsense. okay. i mean, it's nauseating. when i hear that here tom, these people, they never miss, they every crisis and they're usually at the center of it. they always take advantage of it, so let me play it out for you right here. okay, because we've had reports over the last few days for a minute is rarely think tank, but they would be a conflict like this. we should displace the gods and people in egypt. okay. so here's a scenario. you know, instead of view of the why, so we white outside, we don't want an expansion of accomplish. i think they do exactly want to do that. they want to like, i totally and i like the people of guys i'd throw them into the desert take on has blocks and have regime change in syria. and i don't think it's an exaggeration, this a potential play out. go ahead. tom, i think gets bigger than that. peter ok. again i, i tell you that why would we have what we have there and ground based error assets that we're moving in and, and, and if we weren't looking at the potential of

a wider conflict with a ron. yes, the displacement of dawson's book that the n, the day, i hate to say this because i hate to go to this to this level because it seems so tried at this point. but there is a lot of oil and gas there. and there's a lot of oil and gas in the go on heights and israel is started but, but the water and energy, and as, as well, remember that we are dealing with a, a. what are the ways to look at this? i think are the marker or, or, or michael breton up earlier, is that, you know, this is the destruction of how moss is part of the, as long as it's on the table here, right? well, at the same time, how mazda is kind of, i use it or lose that asset for, you know, a ron, if you, if you want it, you want to make that organ. i agree, other side as you realize that kind of use it or lose that asset for the british. i like reason why would you say that applies to has belong, you know, use it or the use, i'll lose it. yeah. why don't things now? i don't believe, i believe, has more of a much more powerful organization than a mazda is. well, i mean, so what, what is the purpose of what,

what is the purpose of it has the law if it isn't going to be used, that's what i mean in that sense. in that sense, i well then, then again, like everything else, i can make a credible arguments that both sides, if the geo political, 40000 put to your political level or take it, you're trying to take advantage of the situation or allowed it to happen by turning the other cheek like and say, well, you know, in the, in all the, the, and all of the, the, the, the in the read the information we had that everybody was like, why, why did these really is be the border organ bubble? all of this, you ask yourself the question, like okay, then who would set that up? right? and i can make credit bargain for both sides, like i can make it so i can make a credible argument for its due. were the united states into a and what facilities trap over is real, make them choose between israel and ukraine. but at the same time, i couldn't make the argument that someone's trying to make russia choose between ukraine in syria. and to just to your point, peter. so,

why don't you start to think like the people who are actually like orchestrating the thoughts? do you have to start thinking about the way they see the what's there and then and then the people and then the people get slaughtered in the middle, middle, a girl is just horrible. you haven't taught, but you're really smart guy. and you can thinking in the, you know, and play multiple dimension chess, these people in power are not that smart, then that's what really bothers me here, marco's, i mean, at what point is there any point? what michael said in the very beginning that you know, nobody can stop this will be united states can stop disappear one or 2, but it has no desire to do it whatsoever. um and it will be, uh, a catastrophe for everyone involved. what is the us get out of this marco? of all, this is a good question because usually we ask ourselves who is calling the shots? they fits the united states. so read spring is quite difficult to say sometime out of the us. some time is huge, right?

most of the time they are doing together to coordinate to mean by playing the good golf and that's called the rose back. they've grown my sense of the, the in the last year. it does become more and more difficult to distinguish their respective roles in the me the news on the so this is basically, this is the reality. we are what she got to be seen standing is nathan, go sort of 2nd to the last stop then that was it carried out to find the solution from the policy. now you show i'm referring to the harbor on the code. so basically that temple is cutting 1000 marginalising by throwing the pricing and on the boss. and the less than we should drove from october to $78.00. so that the, if the policy union issues pulled up, being sold, they cannot mccully dealing to low quality. and so i think, you know, the story de la, they've political rights these the show at been sold,

but the case a go making possibly the police feel that people with the i a copy of the gold in the planet think the just brittany are gone, but mark, are you at the top of? yeah, but mark or you're approaching this in a very rational way and you know, and that's good, but let me go to michael here. esign is i mrs. supremacist ideology. it doesn't compromise with, with the people that are occupying their land. apparently, that's why this is impossible. i mean, you know, we can all be rational. and so, yeah, we could design a 2 state system. we're both can live side by side in peace and prosperous. but design inside the ology doesn't permit that it, as a matter of fact, is really politics of the last 20 years has gone. gone to go ahead, go ahead. marco, go ahead with the eastern shows us that we are dealing with that rash from the

other side. of things in the boss, okay. rationally trying out and thinking about to is a robin the shimon peres. all these people what i thought to that value on these by deal. now the problem is that the, what was the circular right? the size of these is be coming out or you just ideal and zine, this is a month that these ronda by now by a religious issue. so the police being and he's ready to complete the most of the secular call. that's right. a long time. yeah. be coming out really just one, and we have something become religious. it's far more difficult to compromise. absolutely. and michael, and that's what's being promoted. the, the lindsey graham's, of this world entity hailey's. they wonder why that turned it into a crusade. go ahead, michael. well that there well other way, and we're seeing this, that once you deify something very circular, it becomes that religion part of that religion. and so zionism has taken out

a whole new approach here, and you're seeing it and not see it in the vibe by uh now those current radical ministers to do what they want to do, what they all awesome us to, to move all palestinians, even those on the west bank out of there and back to basically the jordan and, and, and, and making us your, uh, uh, a jewish state. you can't, there's this, it does nothing like that exist anywhere else. and we see a par type in a lot of other places, but this certainly is an exhibition of it in, in, in sol, display now. and, and we're not shown as united states as a challenge in that. and it is saying that they have this thing now because you're creating a real problem among all peoples here and, and, and this whole notion that we a spouse about diversification. what have you,

it is ridiculous because we're not, we're not expressing that in this policy as well. really. oh, so i always get away with, oh it's right and i and as i started the program i will end the problem the way the west is comfortable and this and i be, we do use the words i ethnic cleansing, approaching genocide. the west is comfortable. they have blood on their hands as we watch the destruction of a people live on television. it's extremely extraordinary. as all the time we have done what i want to thank my guess invest in north florida and enrollment. of course, i want to thank our viewers for watching us here archie. so you next time? remember across doc, the the

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