newly i was a fairy tale and right fleet, the mescal world heritage site. but global warming may change it beyond recognition . the . the hello and welcome to the brass stuff. were all things are considered. i'm peter, the bill is real says it's war. aim is the destruction of him. us, is that even realistically possible? does destroying him, us entail the destruction of the palestinian people in gaza. then there's the question of who will rule garza after the war? so many questions without answers the

the press sucking palestine. i'm joined by my guest lucas gauge and brake. he is a marine veteran author and philosopher in word that we have anthony webb murphy as an independent political commentator. and in london, we positive use a lot. he is the palestinian journalist, writer, and political analysts from gaza or across socrates and the fact that music can jump anytime you want. and i always appreciated. all right, let's go to use the use of in london. so we have in the last couple of new cycles, we've talked about the, the costs of this war in terms of casualties. and it's really kind of, um i, veronica, the cash. busy in casualty, are kind of similar in, in, in, in spelling, but they're very, very opposite here. but there is a casual, talk about the casualties. these really said, told the americans, you know, there's going to be mass casualties and the americans, um, a appear to be in lock step with this, with american made weapons,

the pentagon is already come out and say, this will do what it wants with the american made weapons that it's purchase. so at the end of the day, the united states is very much comfortable with the military operation against gods . and we can forget about the people that are being persecuted in the west bank. go ahead and one to yes, thank you for having let me start by seeing that we brought us to use. we did not often get better senior. we just got lucky israel just device. it's coming to the office of impression and draws out that this is the question for collateral damage we finished and use. we are not people of alice or got this role as the tires, the international system, by relating to the western values of democracy on base and so on. the west. by the way, we'll take the case to cover from these things that this one has been doing to the mind. kind right now what we know that disregarding most visuals, the key blade or justifying that's from us,

exist under giovanni refugee campbell under tenants. but there's nothing justifies this much. jennings unit, sorry, one of the world is watching. um, obviously his role cannot go on with such degrees and without the approval blind support to stay 19 states. because what happened in december, the door exposed as roles, i put in a vision for the cost savings. 5 years, i think is ro, is suffering from uninterrupted crisis product pro. but um, uh, what's happening in garza also uh, it exposes, uh that the standard policy though is that because the of the way, the united states, the united kingdom and those cultures are keep saying that israel has the right for so that the 1st of the things what about the 1st thing is, i mean, well, have you been pushing in this ms. really weiner? and as soon as i do give this rate why we are being treated, the us why we are being doing right. is that because by as soon as i'm know why?

well, the, it's interesting is that this land tray here is where it helps the right to self defense. ok, fine, but israel as occupying guns in the west bank. so it's far more complicated, legally, a then, then the cliches would make it out to be lucas. if i can go to you just kind of an extension of what we heard from us if is that there is seems to be a suspension of international humanitarian law. i mean, in the rules based order and all of these other slogans that we hear all the time. they're all, all of a sudden suspended for one country under one condition. and they have prophecy of that is because blaring and it's getting far worse because these images are just heretic. i think it's something you can't forget when you see it. go ahead. lucas. yeah. as you know, i've been to the rock twice. i was deployed there for one of these other wars that my country launched illegally into the rock and destroyed that nation. so i've seen

death and destruction before. what i'm seeing coming on from guys is death and destruction like as if it's out of war and they're not at war. these rallies are committing. what i would say is a genocide and several people are starting to use this word comfortably. because as you mentioned, peter, the pictures and videos of babies and children being pulled out are rubble. these are not combatants. the claim of loss is under a rebuilding, but i've never seen that. how my soldier being pulled out of the rubble. we just see these people being massacred in genocide, ethnically cleanse, because that's the policy of desires, entity. they want to expand. they don't have this solid border for a reason. they want to keep the going the, or did you non planned to the people. you can look that up. they want this from the euphrates to the, to the c. allow to the see the entire thing that the palestinians say they want to be freely as early as want. the entire thing is the opposite and they are more than happy to commit genocide in order to get that. whereas they say, well, if we put our weapons down, we will cease to exist. and no, you won't,

you would go back to what it was before is real existing, which was completely fine. the arabs and the jews were living in peace. it's only been a problem ever since design is parasite as well. i called colony chains into existence . so it's, it's terrific what we're seeing and it's allowed because design is captured, the west, the western media, the western politicians. we have lobbies like a pack which is trending on x the other day. these are the reasons why there's silence from the west because they have captured bought off. and as the american people, the people knew k and the west in general under their spell. well, hey anthony and but that, that's if we can talk about the global south and that's not selling it at all. i mean, we have a number of countries that started breaking diplomatic relations with israel, the jury. jordanians of recall, they're in bass that are and they said they will not go back until the conflict is over. i don't know how we define how this conflict comes to. and then it's, it's very strange to me that you know, for all the talk of, of israel's military problem, this and all of this,

which i think is more propaganda than anything else. if, if they really were that they would go into an awful forest for the landing, basically they won't because they, they can absorb the casualties. it's unacceptable to them. but it's acceptable if you can kill a child every single 10 minutes in gaza. the point, the point i'm trying to make here is it is real likes to flex its military muscles because it knows it has the west backend, particularly the united states. but it doesn't have a political objective to extricate themselves from this problem because this is going to be going to stay with them for a very long time. unfortunately, i think all horror of is going to be talking a number a number of times together before this conflict comes to an end. go ahead anthony. well yeah, so i agree with you such a let's see, previous speak, cuz i'm sorry it's on property trinity, but if it wasn't for the website preview usa or the terry i think is why the government or all thought i should say the car. i'm so sorry, the government wasn't

a good fit to what i have taught me. and so they stop say they're poor all over them off they've got she don't. 2 but if you look at say the position of the u. k are cool, so you kind of get hot the mandates for palestine up until 1948. you think there would be a certain surface pump? sabelle, it said bother you tie a turn show pace between the preston series and most of the sudden palestine. but instead what we're doing is we're actually using power and shipping and it's stream is fine. honestly don't benefit is trial. see actually even work against the interests of these are the people because i haven't talked to is are the people they are, but they might have some people behind the product. the reality is won't good is all the risk in today for x ray. the relations with the rest of the walls, or do they know she can because they go the way we certainly things be full. and if

we look up the, how about the situation? because certainly have the elections back in 2006. our place to be had 45 percent. oh fee. right. so um you told sort of all you your account take perfect. the household be so really in the population of calls. uh uh, because basically you called the site, the majority of people and also supports from outside or so i mean, but the anthony, let's go back to our guest and one in the mean. again, this is a convoluted argument to mean a joe biden, in his infinite wisdom. and i say who that with a lot of sarcasm says, you know, the people of, of a god's adults support him off. well then why are you telling them why you will let them be killed? okay, if, if that's a, i mean, you see every single argument they make is convoluted upside down and inside out.

go ahead. yeah, well, absolutely. when, when he said that this was the right for something strange, but it has to act within the international what kind of very traditional low when you just intentionally kill somebody? yeah, i'm give justification, gospel british. and by the way, they are just as a religious or expelled back and 94 k from the indigenous as it is across the street. by this time, as long as the nation or young people below the age of 20. i. by the way, if there's all things that's how much do you think that are seniors as human shields? because israel that has been using as soon as human shields for the positivity, find he is. when you know we did not deny the indigenous peoples, but i started garza and westbank interesting from their basic rights. indeed, swan chart, tricity medical supplies fluid and also the waterfront was the medium black out inches. yes, i am. people come up with the idea even, you know is, oh, is extremely nation. or, you know, golden critics to minute ago. kind of this guy is considered as

a concentration guy, even because a prison, when you just have drugs, as the most popular person present means that you committed the crime by pressing as they know what the crime because they've been, you know, finding personal determinations or innocent people being killed, they are night. and there is also have more defined folders. these are just what on the 1st of all, is there a needle keeps mixing more, it has no constitution and it keeps lying to the with when it's really, you know, he again the, the ironing of iron is israel is a product of the united nations. you with the bar? yes, i mean, but, but you, you would thinking, since it's a creation of the united nations, it would be incumbent upon israel to follow the resolutions of the security council, which they don't let me, let me go back to lucas because he, you know what? it's like to be in a about a on a battlefield. i'll say exactly what i think i'm not going to make it pretty. but for anyone, i think they want to just clear the land and they don't care how they do it. as

long as they get the backing of christian zine is in a even tell a calls and you know, be all this apocalyptic nonsense. and this will feed into that. and they'll say, you know what, they'll say, lucas, we did it for peace. that's good. that, that's going to be their slogan. go ahead. looks exactly how many of have in yahoo, you know, using well tell music versus about. i'm a lack in the light in the darkness. the appealing to this a religious thing, similar to how george bush did it after 911. then it's a christian versus muslim war. here we have this jewish verse palestinian war and is going back to ancient, you know, text to justify as mass murder. and i've seen rabbi's even say, hey, you know, this is how it has to be conducted. men, women drilled, and everything's got to go. we have to raise gaza completely. we've been nice for too long. i heard a woman say we're, we're being nice this all, all that interview. i saw that interview. can you crazy you that nice this. ok. she was talking to her son going in the battle. apparently i look,

this is something he said he's like, we're going to change history. they're going all in this time after the october 7th incursion, or wherever you want to keep one or call it, you know, how must finally strikes back and those rallies, feel what they've been doing for 75 years. and i'm not justifying either one doing anything, but this is they want to call it a war one here and, and then that happens to them. they start crying up all my go look what we we can condemn it, but we can certainly stand horse and not whitewash it as well. gentlemen, i'm going to jump in here. we're going to go to a short break. and after that short break, we'll continue our discussion on gaza. stay with rp. the the

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is the home addition to remind you were discussing palestine. the the toys go back to anthony. it's the, again, i want to go back to the, the politics of is and the military because, you know, they, they, they, you know, we hear the rhetoric during, in the fall, the more i think the defense minister go on say, you know, we're washing our hands of the gods here, this will be the last time we do a very popular liptak language and they're all probably secular jews too. i always find it very interesting. secular, people using religious terminology, but it does kind of big. the question is what's next? okay. they get a, bring in a file to, you know, a boss, you know, is you get a ride into guys on the back of and as wally tag, i don't think he's going to be welcome there. oh, we'll get the egyptians to do it. the chip since they're not going to do this, oh, maybe with the saudis or sending the part,

they're not going to do it. nobody wants to dirty their hands on this because it is at the very least ethnic cleansing, at worst it's genocide then who wants to be associated with that job. i'm listed up . history will remember what you did here and now go ahead. anthony paul is cole c . abarc, another tree of, of a tree off for christ of this row and draws a is old giving the impression that america is probably the on board. i thought of the story, the government does, this is fair, but i hope you're well, i mean girl is, has gotten, it runs out permanently in the saw. no, i guess it's uh, try so easy it so uh, sudley crossing right. ok is this thing, but it does putting some line by the fact that um, 3 christian churches are buttons and garza and christians, to the christian leaders and power side as a whole, have desperately pay or to western countries to cost on this floor. and

is as a number of christians website, who's actually standing out for the question is in the middle. a stickers, the kind of usa policies are to the last. yeah. yeah. last few years, just so that you said christie. it was in the middle east and it won't be beat to the sky box, but that is quite possible for these christians and most of us to live together as a records of many hundreds, it is a 10 doing what we have to do is to stop these straightness paper, like because governments induce right? oh, the st. mary's great guy speak on behalf of who are jewish with ms. riley people because they just started. but the trouble is the bite of the distribution. and then 5 administration in the u. k. there's letting them do this, and it's causing so much home. what is the, i'm the coolest vickers thought that's the problem. they say one of the costs of

the game is the reputation of the you, k and the u. s. i is debit card right down. they'll, they'll take us far as i say, because up is already in a bad situation because of the situation regarding ukraine, which of course not the size of the thing about now, but i lost the power i was about like you look at the uh, civilian casualties the ukraine. i the the a 2 year period but apparently the up to $21.00 days. yeah. yes. i will. i will. uh, indirectly answer your question whose protecting questions in the middle east christians live. um, um, safely and widely in a ran an old by the way in syria as well. don't tell that to people because the western media likes to cover up those sites. you said, let me go back to you. you know, people talk about him, us all the time. they can have their opinion. most people that badly informed and

the west is what is it to you because it's a terrorist organization. it's a, it's a social organizations, a political party. what is some in your mind? well, i is there have been trying to rent it by homeless. i'm transformed from us into i'm going to start to attract the support of the internship community, especially going to the state almost as part of that. but i see new people, they are normal people like me and you decided to take up arms to resist the coordinators to regina that if you patient that israel has been enjoying with infinity for the positive and defiant peers. because they know that the piece of process to bring them into that occupation or also of course, or find the current you there about israel has company john's for tuesday solution . even do you wash peacefully along the border? the wonder if things don't withdraw the car to define borders, the friends, and you won't be sure to even it always find you too much. basically, what was your to simpler, sporadic, extreme stuff because they,

they burned up listing on child the line with color scheme. i mean, visual rhetoric, right, my centers and crimes. what didn't go ahead without infinity. we're down to a blind support from that you guys have the rest are just, are much, is resisting the occupation. and they said, actually they are willing to change their constitution and they didn't, they didn't. and they tell us to have a set of invest the to buy lots of different and 1967. and we know, but it is like that's what it is. and other students are not going to the world, it is how much they will become more resisting and will become they will visually create more to go more history. i mean is, oh, really isn't workspace. you can have these right now. just don't look nice person has rice to it says, i'm doing now and you know, some of the pages are all going to be turned back because of go around 770000000 person or she just kind of all over the world and it has to compress it, but as it is beneficial and still this, the internet is camine estrella. this is the and then this brings

a revel. palestine wrapped up pretty simple for you. i'm in the west because they care about is where i will be doing for at drops. it is right. it is. uh, they said that if you raise the price it in fact the case, my point cause a crime. what kind of expression of, you know, i mean, honestly, i mean, definitely sort of what is the best of what that you everything the, you know, so they get the same time they support not season ukraine. i mean, i'm just trying to find those to my everywhere. yeah. well the west will always support extreme is groups because it was a great instability which they could always really wants to finish the started right before the agent wants to finish the next. i think it tends to get the same, but i've given you an extension of the warranty to it's interesting. look as it is it, but recently over the last few years, not always something that is frowned upon and is really discourse because you're supposed why it never happened. and you know, they left in, you know, they left the keys in the door and as well. they just want to leave,

but now they're using the term again. and you know, again, it was, you know, we started out the 2nd part of the program talking about the future. but there is no possibility. design is and will not a confidence a to put 2 state solution. it's this, them authentic called to that world view. so what do we do? that's why we have this conundrum. you know, you know, it's going to be one a one state and it's good to be ethnically cleanse. when done. yeah. they're not done. yeah. lucas. yeah. i mean that's funny to bring it up to knock where they say never happened. and you know, it's funny that the media always starts with everything was fine until a mass flow over the wall. and all kinds of people are similar to ukraine, russia, all, everything was fine until put and invaded. no, there's a whole you just woke up in the morning and said, you great. so most americans, as you, as you mentioned her, most people the less, don't understand or go know what's going on because the media starts their timeline when they want to start it. and they forget the history of the knock, but which again, scientists, terrorist and militias,

display 700000 palestinians from the home committed massacres across the land. and that's where all the all start, that's what israel's founded. so people don't even know the story and they said, well that's crazy, never happened. now they're saying bring on the 2nd knock, but we're going to finish what we started. and these rallies are pretty much hanging themselves with this narrative, which again, in one way, it's horrible to know that this happened other, it should light on what design is entity actually is it is this colonial power. you can also lucas. it's a stain on the conscience of the west because we're no one can say in this day and age with the technology we have, even though they, they're switching on and off the, the internet and the phones and all that know on a conscious knowing person cannot say i didn't know you can't say that right now, anthony. a. well, i think it's ok won't stop doing. it goes. but the is right. you got them says psych interviews. that's a very cartoon talk,

a little trip bottom here for that. they were actually pretty psyched and capital cities, but i couldn't see a visual impose in the world, but uh great. so being defeated in certain areas without destroying the civilian population because it is a little crime say target. so do we have this is or is that's actually happened. but if we go back and see what the situation may tell us on a positive story, if we can get it done, we're really to the 2 state solution, which, i mean the, you, i have my law for about because to perfect gets all night jobs, that's all we've got so sure and show that it is sort of a stake through the process on how to go for the home for phase as we know. so how is it, how is it supposed to be? carter fund itself because it has to have the rights to solve defends the same as is right. oh, yeah. the housing always, i know forces office in dolls. uh theres uh i'm asked who have called by right. uh,

so the official policies about if we don't see the crates for future, i think the, the government civil problems are going to go and see the sights of palestine that we don't have to have such a lot incursions and praise how i say that is going to be hand this now i think i love it is right, these citizens, if i, you know, you're going to be secure or they're not going to support what some of the software is, a big m, anthony. i think that, you know, that's what you know, the october 7th will go down in history for many, many different reasons. but it is, it is the failure of design is project okay. it's supposed to be israel is supposed to be the haven for. are jews around the world? well, they're not so say they're not safe for an important affairs in here and they're not safe at home. right now. design is project is gone, bust is made the situation for years. people around the world very on

site and it's time for you, right? course body is ready the complement. but then the i think is obvious. i don't really care about re j as whether it comes down say, i may say there is a step is between g tires for as long as i remember you. all. usually the sign is i'm is a bastardization of 2 days and i want to give the palestinian on our panel the last minute. go ahead go in london. i think there's, as the printer is declining and all this rate is enough to us citizenship as to why there is understand that can be started by the time dc towards your discharge, that they don't have this sense of belonging to them. but as soon as are being, but they are like, well, i'm right for the past 25 years and they did not. what ends for their house is showing that the 2 loaners if they're not and i think i don't get it on piece is mirage. as role is not willing to exit, i person interstate specially and drug sticks, where i stand solution, and it wants to make it cleans that. 13 is off the line,

but i talked to somebody with a drawing some points to the person in the doors with incredible media like or so. i think there's a learners and i think that will, will not cooperate this. why am i and i would like i couldn't have anticipated at a positive end to a very tragic story that we're talking. but i'm glad we ended on that. the point i want to take my guess and break where things and, and in london really i think our viewers for watching us here in our dc. and next time remember process was the public sentence. and i'm going to plan with you whatever you do. you do not watch my new show. so that's why watch something that's so different. my little opinions that he won't get anywhere else. welcome to please or do the have the state department, the c i a weapons, bankers, multi 1000000000 dollar corporations. choose your fax for you, go ahead,

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