for us, with these very open statements of genocidal intent by israeli officials, including the prime minister and the president and senior cabinet ministers and military officials who in their public statements have indicated very clearly uh their intention not to distinguish between civilians and combatants. uh, and to carry out the kinds of wholesale slaughter that we are witnessing in gaza. so the u. n was not just failing and it's due to to prevent that. but according to mccoy, about the us, the u. k. and much of europe was when he complicit in her risk assaults. and he's not the only one in disgust at the wes double standards. it's also being accused of reading lighting potential crimes by as well, which we have wilson today. is one of the darkest hours of all times. we're watching genocide life. oh, those who have questioned the lack of pools,

fixed biased by that and governments have been unceremoniously dumped. but perhaps it's hard for the west to see its own hypocrisy all through the u. s. was built to the idea of so called manifest destiny, a kate stealing land from the native americans. the wealth of many european nations came from plundering countries across the world, shipping the people to be slaves. much of the troubles in the mid least can be pin pointed to the 1916 sykes pico agreement with bronx and the u. k. true, a line in the map being of the region to come under their own influence. and in reality the wes attempts to wrap the world twice. throat have never ended. abdul, it's still telling you what's right from roll. as of next on across top, peter lavelle discusses with his guest the many unanswered questions about the israel from us for by the

the the hello and welcome to the brass stuff. were all things are considered. i'm peter little bill is real, says it's war, a missed the destruction and from us is that even realistically possible, does destroying him, us entail the destruction of the palestinian people in gaza. then there's the question of who will rule garza after the war? so many questions without answers the

the press sucking palestine and joined by my guest lucas gauge and brake. he is a marine veteran author and philosopher in word thing. we have anthony webb murphy as an independent political commentator. and in london we crossed to use a low, he is the palestinian journalist, writer, and political analysts from gaza or across socrates and effects. that means you can jump anytime you want, and i always appreciated. all right, let's go to us the use up in london. so we have in the last couple of new cycles, we've talked about the, the costs of this war in terms of casualties. and it's really kind of, um, i, veronica, the casual and casualty are kind of similar in, in, in, in spelling. but they're very, very opposite here, but there is a casual talk about the casualties. these really said, told the americans, you know, there's going to be mass casualties and the americans, um, uh, appear to be in lock step with this, with american made weapons. the pentagon is already come out and so it is,

we will do it at once with the american made weapons that it's purchase. so at the end of the day, the united states is very much comfortable with the military operation against gods . and we can forget about the people that are being persecuted in the west bank. go ahead and want to yes, thank you for having. let me start by saying that we brought us to use. we did not often get better senior. we just got lucky israel just device, it's coming to the office of impression and draws out that this is the question for collateral damage. we 1st in use, we are not people. i listened. got this role as a couple of times the international system by relating to the western values of democracy and base and so on. the west, by the way, both take thinking straight cover from these things. that is what has been doing to that mind coming ok. now what we know, that is, for example, officials the keep buying or justifying. commerce exist under giovanni refugee

campbell under tenants, but there is nothing just advise these mass killings. disney junior, sorry, one of the world is watching. um, obviously israel kinda go on with such degrees and without the approval blind support to stay and i did the states because what happened of the civil war explodes as well. i couldn't make ation for the 75 years. i think israel is suffering from uninterrupted crisis. or the blow, but uh, what's happening in garza, also uh, it exposes the standard policy all the way back towards the, of the way the united states, the united kingdom. and those cultures are keep saying that as well as of right 1st, the 1st of the things, what about the students? i mean, well, have you been pushing in this ms. really weiner letting us do this, right? why we are being treated the us, why we are being doing, or is that because by as soon as i'm, that's why. well the,

it's interesting is that this land tray is really helps the right to self defense. ok, fine book is real as occupying guns in the west bank, so it's far more complicated, legally, a then, then the cliches would make it out to be lucas. if i can go to you just kind of an extension of what we heard from us. if is that, there is seems to be a suspension of international humanitarian law. i mean, in the rules based order and all of these other a slogans that we hear all the time. they're all, all of a sudden suspended for one country under one condition. and the prophecy of that is because blaring and it's getting far worse because these images are just terrific. i think it's something you can't forget when you see it. go ahead. lucas . yeah. as you know, i've been to the rock twice. i was deployed there for one of these other wars that my country launched illegally into the rock and destroyed that nation. so i've seen

death and destruction before. what i'm seeing coming on from guys is death and destruction like as if it's out of war and they're not at war. these rallies are committing. what i would say is a genocide and several people are starting to use this word comfortably. because as you mentioned, peter, the pictures and videos of babies and children being pulled out are rubble. these are not combatants. they claim a mazda is under a rebuilding, but i've never seen. and how my soldier being pulled out of the rubble. we just see these people being massacred in genocide, ethnically cleansed because that's the policy of desires, entity. they want to expand. they don't have this solid border for a reason. they want to keep go the going the or did you non plan do people, you can look that up. they want this from the euphrates to the, to the see, hold off to the see the entire thing that the palestinians say they want to be free . these rarely is want, the entire thing is the opposite. and they are more than happy to commit genocide in order to get that. whereas they say, well, if we put our weapons down, we will cease to exist. and no, you won't,

you would go back to what it was before is real existed which was completely fine. the arabs and the jews were living in peace. it's only been a problem ever since design is parasite is what i call colony chains into existence . so it's, it's terrific what we're seeing and it's allowed because design is captured, the west, the western media, the western politicians. we have lobbies like a pack which is trending on x the other day. these are the reasons why there's silence from the west because they have captured, bought off. and as the american people, the people in the you k, in the west, in general, under their spell. well, hey anthony. and, but that, that's if we can talk about the global south, and that's not selling it at all. i mean, we have a number of countries that started breaking diplomatic relations with israel, the jury, jordanians of recall, they're in bass that are and they said they will not go back until the conflict is over. i don't know how we define how this conflict comes to and then it's, it's very strange to me that you know for all the talk of, um,

israel is military problem. this and all of this, which i think is more propaganda than anything else. if, if they really were that they would go in an awful for us with a landing basement, they won't because they, they can absorb the casualties. it's unacceptable to them. but it's acceptable if you can kill a child every single 10 minutes in gaza. the point, the point i'm trying to make here is it is real likes to flex its military muscles because it knows it has the west backend, particularly the united states. but it doesn't have a political objective to extricate themselves from this problem because this is going to be going to stay with them for a very long time. unfortunately, i think all horror of is going to be talking a number a number of times together before this conflict comes to an end. go ahead anthony. well, yeah, so i agree with you such a let's see, previous speak, cuz i'm sorry. it's on properly charter, but if it wasn't for perfect preview, usa or the terry this way, the government or all thought, i should say, the com to start a government, which is

a good to what i have talking and job. they stop say they're poor all over them off they've actually gone. 2 but if you look, show you the position of the you carry are cool. so you kind of you hot the mandates for palestine up until 1948. you think there would be a certain surface pump? sabelle, it said bother you tie a to ensure pace between the preston, serious and most of the sudden palestine. but instead what we're doing is we're actually using tar and shipping and it's previous minority company. so this file see actually even work. i've seen 1st of this, right, the people because i haven't called the is are the people they are, but they might have some people behind them. but the reality is what good is old risk and today for as variety relations with the rest of the walls or do they don't actually care because they go the way we certainly things be full. and if we look

up the, how about the situation? because certainly have the elections back in 2006, our place still or the had 45 percent. oh, fee. right. sorry. um you told sort of all you your account take perfect to your house or be so busy on the population of calls. uh uh, because basically you call the site the majority of people and also supports how about, sorry, uh, well, i mean, but the anthony, let's go back to our guest in london. i mean, again, this is a convoluted argument to mean a joe biden, in his infinite wisdom. and i say who that with a lot of sarcasm says you know, the people of, of a guys or don't support him off. well then why are you telling them why you will let them be killed? okay, if, if that's a, i mean, you see every single argument they make is convoluted upside down and inside out.

go ahead. yeah, well, absolutely. when, when he said that this was the right person, the experience when pressed to act within the international law, what kind of a traditional lo, when you just intentionally kills to be yeah, i'm give justification, gospel british. and by the way, the religious order expelled back and 94 k from the indigenous as it is. of course, the story 1st time as long as the patient or young people below the age of 20. i. by the way, it is all things that how much do you think that are seniors as human shields? because israel that has been using but as soon as he can shoot for the positivity, find he is with, you know, we did not deny the indigenous people 1st turning, garza and westbank interested in what from their basic chrysler needs. one chart, tricity, medical supplies fluids and also the waterfront, the, the black out inches. yes. i am. people come up with our idea even, you know is, oh, is extremely nation or, you know, go to in, clinic submission to go. people to kind of this guy is considered as

a concentration guy, even because at present when you just have drugs, as i was hoping to present, present means that you committed the crime pricing as they know what the crime because they've been, you know, fighting for still determinations are innocent, people being killed, they are night. and there is also have more defined folders. these are just what are the, what the, what the, what the result is on. do you know, keeps mixing more, it has no constitution and it keeps lying to the with when it's really, you know, again the, the ironing of iron is israel is a product of the united nations. you with the bar? yes, i mean, but, but you, you would think, since it's a creation of the united nations, it would be incumbent upon israel to follow the resolutions of the security council, which they don't let me, let me go back to lucas because he, you know what? it's like to be in a about a on a battlefield. i'll say exactly what i think i'm going to make it pretty. but for anyone, i think they want to just clear the land and they don't care how they do it. as

long as they get, the backing of christian design is in a even tell a calls and you know, be all this apocalyptic nonsense. and this will feed into that, and they'll say, you know what, they'll say, lucas, we did it for peace. that's good. that, that's going to be their slogan. go ahead. looks exactly how many you have in yahoo, you know, using well tell music versus about. i'm a lack in the light in the darkness. the appealing to this a religious thing, similar to how george bush did after 911 and then it's a christian verse muslim war here. we have this jewish verse palestinian war and is going back to ancient, you know, text to justify his mass murder. and i've seen rabbis even say, hey, you know, this is how it has to be conducted. men, women drilled, and everything's got to go. we have to raise gaza completely. we've been nice for too long. i heard a woman say we're, we're being nice this. i saw that interview. i saw that interview crazy. you that nice this. ok. she was talking to her son going in the battle. apparently i look,

this is something he said he's like, we're going to change history. they're going all in this time after the i told her 7th incursion or wherever you want to, people want to call it. you know, i must finally strikes back and those rallies, feel what they've been doing for 75 years, and i'm not justifying either one doing anything, but this is they want to call it a war one here and, and then that happens to them. they start crying up all my go look what we we couldn't condemn it, but we can certainly stand it already and not whitewash it as well. gentlemen, i'm going to jump in here. we're going to go to a short break. and after that short break, we'll continue our discussion on gaza. stay with rp. the sometimes nature throws us for a loop. this place, for example, beyond the natural beauty of the baltic region. this place is

a unesco world heritage site. we are currently in a spit at national park and today we're gonna find out what makes this place so unique. moving since dancing trees, birds bridges, the creation of the baltic seas winds and waves the place, seemingly out of a fairy tale and rightfully unesco world heritage site. but global warming may change it beyond recognition. the welcome act across that were all things are considered very beautiful. this is the home addition to remind you. we're discussing palestine the the toys go back to anthony. it's the, again, i want to go back to the, the politics of is and the military because, you know, they, they, they, you know, we hear the rhetoric right in the fog of war. i think the defense minister going on

said, you know, we're washing our hands of the gods here. this will be the last time we do a very popular liptak language and they're all probably secular jews too. i always find it very interesting. secular, people using religious terminology, but it does kind of big. the question is what's next? okay. uh, they get a, bring in a file to, you know, a boss, you know, is he get a ride into guys on the back of been his wally tag? i don't think he's going to be welcome there. oh, we'll get the egyptians to do it the chip since they're not going to do this. oh, maybe with a solid diesel sending. if they're not going to do it, nobody wants to dirty their hands on this because it is at the very least ethnic cleansing it worse, it's genocide then who wants to be associated with that job. i'm listed up. history will remember what you did here and now go ahead. anthony, was closely about another tray of outside the tree off for christ of this row and draws is old giving the impression that america is probably the on board outside of

the story. the government does, this is fair. that's comfortable. i mean girls has gotten runs out permanently in the sun. i guess it's our price so easy. it's a little, uh, sudley crossing. i don't good is this thing, but it does putting some wine. but the fact that 3 christian churches are problem taken. garza and christians to the christian leaders in the past august the whole have desperately pay all the western countries to cost stop this floor and is as a number of questions upside. who's actually starting out for the question is in the middle a speakers? the kind of usa policies are the last. yeah, yeah. last few years. just so that you said christie. it was in the middle east and it won't be beat to the sky box. but that is quite possible for these christians

and most of us live together because of the records of many hundreds of years of doing what we have to do is to stop these strain, this paper. why? because governments induce right? oh, uh st. mary's great by speak on behalf of who are jewish, and this righty people because they just started. but the trouble is the bite of the distribution and then 5 administration in the u. k. there's letting them do this is causing so much home. what is the, i'm guy because vickers thought, that's the problem. the guy said one of the costs of the game is the reputation, the hope to hear a guy and the u. s. i is the right job. they'll, they'll take us. i have to because up is already in a bad situation because of the situation regarding ukraine, which of course not the size of the thing about now, but the power i was about, like you look at the possibility of in casualties didn't ukraine. i the, the

a 2 year period, but apparently i figured that to $21.00 days. yeah. yes. it will. i will a indirectly answer your question, who's protecting questions in the middle east christians live um, safely and widely in a ran and hole by the way, in syria as well. but don't tell that to people because western media likes to cover up those sites. you said, let me go back to you, you know, people talk about home us, all of the time. they can have their opinion. most people in that badly informed and the west is, what is it to you because it's a terrorist organization. it's a, it's a social organizations, a political party. what is some in your mind? well, i, as there has been trying to rectify homebuyers, i'm transformed from us into i'm going to start to attract the support of the internship community, especially going to the state. how much is part of the new people? they are normal people like me and you decided to take up arms to resist the

coordinators to regina that if you patient that israel has been enjoying with infinity for the positive and 5 years now because they know that the piece of process to bring into that condition are also of course, uh outside the country that applies. israel has company jones for tuesday solution even use the wash peacefully along the border. the wonder if things don't withdraw, then you start to define borders. the things that you won't be sure to even as always find you too much, basically will ensure to ship learners, perhaps experience the date that brenda placed in a child to live with can receive. i mean, this will repeat, i must occurs and crimes what didn't go ahead without infinity. well done to apply and support from the rest of the rest are just, are much, is resisting that condition. and they said, actually they are willing to change their constitution. i'm did the district there and they didn't, and they tell us to have a set of invest the to buy a lot of different and 1967. and we know what it's doing is we like x rays and got

all the students are not going to the just from us. they will become more resisting, will become they will visually create more or more history. i mean is, oh, really isn't one space. you can have these right now just all the nice person has rise to it said, i don't know. and you know, somebody could use our ultimate be turned back because of go around 770000000. but as you know, she's just kind of all over the world and it has to compensate for us to use the nation as a service. the internet's coming destro that business that. and then this brings a revel palestine raptor for single for yeah. i'm in the west because they care about is wrote the don't write drops, it is right. it is. uh, they said that if you raise the price, in fact the case, my point cause a crime. what kind of expression, you know, i mean, honestly, i mean, definitely sort of what is the, the so with that and everything the going to use it back at the same time, i support not season ukraine. i mean, i'm just trying to find those to my everywhere. yeah. but the west will always

support extreme is groups because it was a great instability which they could always really wants to finish the started right, the 4 digit ones to finish the next. i think it sounds like it doesn't want to separate any other extension from the warranty. it's interesting. look at it, but recently over the last few years, not always something that is frowned upon and is really discourse because you're supposed well it never happened and you'll be left in, you know, they left the keys in the door as well. they just want to leave, but now they're using the term again. and, you know, again i was, you know, we started out the 2nd part of the program talking about the future. but there is no possibility. design is and will not a confident a to put 2 state solution. it system authentic called to the world view. so what do we do? that's why we have this conundrum. you know, you know, it's going to be 01 a one state and it's going to be ethnically cleanse when they're my god. yeah.

they're not done. yeah. lucas. yeah. i mean that's funny to bring it up. the knock where they say never happened, and you know, it's funny that the media always starts with everything was fine until a mass flow over the wall and all kinds of color, similar to ukraine, russia all, everything was fine until put and invaded. no, there's a whole you just woke up in the morning and today's you great. so most americans, as you, as you mentioned her, most people in the west don't understand or go know what's going on because the media starts their timeline when they want to start it. and they forget the history of the knock, but which again, scientists, terrorist and militias, display 700000 palestinians from the home committed massacres across the land. and that's where all the all start, that's what israel's founded. so people don't even know the story and this is all that's crazy. never happened now they're saying bring on the 2nd knock, but we're going to finish what we started. and these rallies are pretty much hanging themselves with this narrative, which again, in one way it's horrible to know that this happened. other, it sheds light on what design is. entity actually is it, is this colonial power,

the land also, lucas. it's a stain on the conscience of the west because for no one can say in this day and age with the technology we have even though they, they are switching on and off the, the internet and the phones and all that know on a conscious knowing person cannot say, i didn't know you can't say that right now, anthony. a. well, i think if you're looking about shop during your, in our draws. but the is where the got booms, just like interviews that's very caught in thoughtful to bottom a half hour that they were actually pretty psyched and capital cities. but i happen to see a visual impose in the world, but uh great. so being defeated in city areas without destroying based of alien population. and of course it is a what we'll call and say target. so do we have this is or is that's actually happened. but if we go back and see how the situation will be published on the part

of, so i need to, if we can get it done, but really to the 2 state solution which i'll be in the you, i by law for about because perfect. yes. all right, job sits, all we've got fish and show does it is really i stake 3, the promise on how to go for the home for phase as we know. so how is it, how is it so if i see, cause i find it so because it has to have to write so, so that, that is the same as is right? oh, yeah. the husband always, i know the forces office in dolls. uh that is how most who have core. right, right. uh so the bumper official um full sized box. if we don't see the crates with each. uh, i think the, the government supervisor took off the gun and see the sights about a sign that we don't have to have such a lot incursions and praise how i say that is going to be how fan is now. i think i love it is right, these citizens, if i know you're probably going to be secure or they're not going to support what

some of the software is, a b, m, anthony. i think that, you know, that's with, you know, the october 7th will go down in history for many, many different reasons. but it is, it is the failure of design this project, okay. it's supposed to be israel is supposed to be the haven for. are jews around the world? well, they're not so say they're not safe for an important affairs in here and they're not safe at home right now. design, this project is gone, bust is made the situation for various people throughout the world very on the site. and it's time for you, right to his body is driving customer regarding the i think is obvious. i don't really care about re j as whether it comes down say, i may say there is a step is between g dias or who i'm sinus. i'll remember you only use the sign in. some is a bastardization of the data and i want to give the palestinian on our panel the last minute you're going to in london. i think there's as the product is declining

and all these writers they have to us citizenship. a sort of there is understand that can be started by the time, basically towards your district that they don't have this sense of belonging to them. but as soon as they're being bunk beds like a night for the past 25 days and they did not move in and just for their houses that showed that the tool owners of them are i think i talking about these is mirage as role is not willing to exit, i person interstate settling drug sticks last in solutions and big ones to make it things that are seniors out. but i talked to somebody with a drawing some points to the person in the doors. were they control media like or so? i think there's a learners and i think that will, will not cooperate this. why am i and i couldn't have anticipated a a positive and to a very tragic story that we're talking. but i'm glad we ended on that. the point i want to take my guess and break where things and, and in lender and what i think our viewers for watching us here at ortiz,

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the the 11 people are reported killed in an as rarely striking the south of guys as idea forces advance into the enclave. the same piece is not an option. the concept of a ceasefire is not currently on the table at all. the idea is that for and is conducting a war to dismantle from us the as the palace in, in death, toll tops 9000 and the guys are struggling to find that their surviving relatives, we hear the story of this place civilians taking care of a wounded girl whose parents have not been found while we weren't, i'll shoot for hospital. this child was also sent there. her parents have not been found. she's here with us and we take care of her as if she were our daughter.