welcome to the ross, stop where all things are considered. i'm here little bill is real, says is war aim is the destruction of come us. is that even realistically possible? does destroying him, us entail the destruction of the palestinian people in gaza. then there's the question of who will rule gaza after the war? so many questions without answers the press fucking power, stein and joined by my guest lucas gauge and brake. he is a marine veteran author and philosopher in worth a. we have anthony webb murphy as an independent political commentator. and in london we crossed to use a low. he is the palestinian journalist, writer, and political analysts from gaza or across socrates and effect. that means you can jump anytime you want, and i always appreciated. all right, let's go to us the use of in london. um we have have in the last couple of new cycles, we've talked about the, the costs of this war in terms of casualties. and it's really kind of um, i,

veronica, the casual and casualty are kind of similar and in, in, in spelling. but they're very, very opposite here. but there is a casual, talk about the casualties. these really said, told the americans, you know, there's going to be mass casualties and the americans, um, a appear to be in lock step with this, with american made weapons, the pentagon is already come out. and so it is, we will do it at once with the american made weapons that it's purchase. so at the end of the day, the united states has very much comfortable with the military operation against gods. and we can forget about the people that are being persecuted in the west bank . go ahead and london to yes, thank you for having let me start by saying that the best thing is we did not often get better senior. we just look like um, disruptions device. it's coming to the office of impression and draws out that this is the question for collateral damage. we proceed in years. we are not people of

alice or got this wrong. i sympathize the international system by relating to the western values of democracy on base and so on the west, by the way, we'll take the case to recover from these things that these are going to be doing to the incoming. now what we know that is really all specials, the key blade of justifying that from us exist under giovanni refugee campbell under tenants. but there is nothing justifies these misgivings against judah. sorry, one of the world is watching. um, obviously his role cannot go on with such degrees and without the approval blank support for the 19 states. because what happened in december the door explains israel's academic vision for the past 75 years, i think is ro is suffering from uninterrupted crisis. plus the blow, but um, uh, what's happening,

you guys are also exposes the standard policy all the way back towards the off the way the united states, the united kingdom. and those cultures are keep saying that israel has the right for so that the 1st of the things, what about the 1st thing is, i mean, well, have you been pushing this ms. really weiner? and as soon as i do give this rate why we are being treated, the us why we are being doing right. is that because, but as soon as i'm know why? well the, it's interesting is that this land tray here is where it helps the right to self defense. ok, fine. but israel as occupying guns in the west bank. so it's far more complicated, legally. and then it then be cliches would make it out to be lucas if i can go to you just kind of an extension of what we heard from us if is that there is seems to be a suspension of international humanitarian law. i mean, in the rules based order and all of these other slogans that we here all the time.

they're all, all of a sudden suspended for one country under one condition. and they have prophecy of that is because blaring and it's getting far worse because these images are just critic. i think it's something you can't forget when you see it. go ahead. lucas. yeah. as you know, i've been to the rock twice. i was deployed there for one of these other wars that my country launched illegally into the rock and destroyed that nation. so i've seen death and destruction before. what i'm seeing coming on from guys is death and destruction like as if it's out of war and they're not at war. these railings are committing. what i would say is a genocide and several people are starting to use this word comfortably. because as you mentioned, peter, the pictures and videos of babies and children being pulled out are rubble. these are not combatants. the claim of loss is under a rebuilding, but i've never seen that. how boss sold are being pulled out of the rubble. we just see these people being massacred in genocide, ethnically cleanse, because that's the policy of desires,

entity. they want to expand. they don't have this solid border for a reason. they want to keep go the going the or did you non plan do people, you can look that up. they want this from the euphrates to the, to the c. allow to the see the entire thing that the palestinians say they want to be free. these. busy is want the entire thing is the opposite and they are more than happy to commit genocide in order to get that. whereas they say, well, if we put our weapons down, we will cease to exist. and no, you won't, you would go back to what it was before is real existing, which was completely fine. the arabs and the jews were living in peace. it's only been a problem ever since design is parasite as well. i called colony chains into existence . so it's, it's terrific what we're seeing and it's allowed because design is captured, the west, the western media, the western politicians. we have lobbies like a pack which is trending on x the other day. these are the reasons why there's silence from the west because they have captured, bought off. and as the american people, the people that you k in the west,

in general, under their spell, well, hey anthony. and, but that, that's if we can talk about the global south, and that's not selling it at all. i mean, we have a number of countries that started breaking diplomatic relations with israel. the jury, jordanians of recall, they're in bass that are and they said they will not go back until the conflict is over. i don't know how we define how this conflict comes to an end. it's. it's very strange to me that you know, for all the talk of, of israel's military problem, this and all of this, which i think is more propaganda than anything else. if, if they really were that they would go into a awful for us for the landing, basically they won't up because they, they can absorb the casualties. it's unacceptable to them. but it's acceptable if you can kill a child every single 10 minutes in gaza. the point, the point i'm trying to make here is it is real likes to flex its military muscles because it knows it has the west backend, particularly the united states. but it doesn't have a political objective to extricate themselves from this problem because this is

going to be going to stay with them for a very long time. unfortunately, i think all horror of is going to be talking a number a number of times together before this comes, it comes to an end. go ahead anthony. yeah, so i agree with you such a let's see, previous speak, cuz i'm sorry, it's on property shortly. but if it wasn't for perfect preview, your site and the terry, i think is why the government or all thought, i should say the com to sign a government, which is a good fit to what i have taught me. and so they stop say they're poor all over them off they've got she don't. 2 but if you look at say, the position of the you carry are cool. so you kind of get hot the mandates for palestine up until 1948. you think there would be a certain surface pump? sabelle, it said bother you tied to it and show pace between the preston series and most of the sudden palestine. but instead, what we're doing is we're actually using tower and shifting,

and it's previous mine honestly don't let me say this trial to actually even work against the interests of these are the people because they haven't called these are the people that are on there might have some people behind them, but the reality is what good is old briskin today for as variety relations with the rest of the walls? or do they know she can? because they go the way we certainly things be full. and if we look up the, how about the situation? because certainly have the elections back in 2006 uh place still, or the hub. 45 percent of the the vote. so um, you told sort of all you your account take perfect to your house or be so busy on the population of calls. uh uh, because basically you called the site, the majority of people in garza circles from outside or so. i mean,

but the anthony, let's go back to our guest and one that, i mean, again, this is a convoluted argument to me, a joe biden, in his infinite wisdom. and i say who that with a lot of sarcasm says, you know, the people of, of a guys, adults support them off. well then why are you telling them why you will let them be killed? okay. if, if that's a, i mean, you see every single argument they make is convoluted upside down and inside out, go ahead. yeah, well, absolutely. when, when he said that the right person, the experience but test drive the international law, what kind of a traditional lo, when you just intentionally killed somebody? yeah, i'm give justification, gospel british. and by the way, the there understand the regions or expelled back and 94 k from the indigenous asset is uh, across the street. by this time, as long as the patient or young people below the age of 20. i. by the way, if there's all things that, how much do you think the other thing is as human shields? because israel that has been using but as soon as i was eating shields for the

positivity, find he is. when you know we did not deny the indigenous peoples, but i started garza and westbank interesting from their basic rights. indeed, swan chart, tricity medical supplies fluid and also the waterfront was the medium black out inches. yes, i am. people come up with the idea even, you know is, oh, is extremely nation or, you know, golden clinics a minute ago. people have got it. this guy is considered as a concentration guy, even because a prison, when you just have drugs, as the most popular person present means that you committed to crime. but as soon as they know what the crime, because they've been, you know, finding personal determination, darkness of people being killed, they are night. and there is also have more defined folders. these are the result is there won't be no keeps mixing more, it has no constitution, and it keeps lying to the world with when it's really, you know, he can lead the ironing of iron is israel is a product of the united nations. you with the power?

yes, i mean, but, but you, you would thinking, since it's a creation of the united nations, it would be incumbent upon israel to follow the resolutions of the security council, which they don't let me, let me go back to lucas because he, you know what? it's like to be in a about a, on a battlefield. well, i'll say exactly what i think i'm not going to make it pretty. but for anyone, i think they want to just clear the land and they don't care how they do it. as long as they get the backing of christian zine is in a even tell a calls and you know, be all this apocalyptic nonsense. and this will feed into that. and they'll say, you know what, they'll say, lucas, we did it for peace. that's good. that, that's going to be their slogan. go ahead. looks exactly how many we have in yahoo, you know, using well tell music versus about. i'm a lack in the light in the darkness look appealing to this or religious. they similar to how george bush that it's after $911.00 then it's a christian verse muslim war here. we have this jewish verse, palestinian. busy or,

and is going back to ancient, you know, text to justify his mass murder. and i've seen rabbis even say, hey, you know, this is how it has to be conducted. men, women drilled, and everything's got to go. we have to raise gaza completely. we've been nice for too long. i heard a woman say we're, we're being nice this all we saw that interview. i saw that interview crazy. you've been nice this. ok. she was talking to her son going in the battle. apparently i look, this is something he said he's like, we're going to change history. they're going all in this time after the october 7th incursion or wherever you want to be, want to call it. you know, i must finally strikes back and i just really feel what they've been doing for 75 years. and i'm not justifying either one doing anything, but this is they want to call it a war one here and, and then that happens to them. they start crying up all my go look what we we could could damn it, but we can certainly stand up or not whitewash it as well. gentlemen, i'm going to jump in here. we're going to go to a short break. and after that short break, we'll continue our discussion on garza stay with

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which i knew people to the the the a welcome back across that were all things are considered by computer. well, this is the home addition to remind you were discussing palestine. the the toys go back to anthony. it's the, again, i want to go back to the, the politics of is and the military because, you know, they, they, they, you know, we hear the rhetoric during, in the fall, the more, i think the defense minister guidelines say, you know, we're watching our hands of the gods here, this will be the last time we do a very popular liptak language and they're all probably secular jews too. i always find it very interesting. secular, people using religious terminology,

but it does kind of big. the question is what's next? okay. they get to bring in a file to, you know, a boss, you know, is he get a ride into guys on the back of been his wally tag? i don't think he's going to be welcome there. oh, we'll get the egyptians to do a big jump since they're not going to do this. oh, maybe with a solid diesel setting in the park. they're not going to do it. nobody wants to dirty their hands on this because it is at the very least ethnic cleansing it worse, it's genocide then who wants to be associated with that job? i'm listed up history. well, remember what you did here and now go ahead. anthony was closely about to another tree of outside the tree off for taste of this row and draws that is all giving the impression that america is probably the on board. i thought of the story the compliment does. this is fair, but i hope you're well mean golf has gotten runs out. probably in the saw. no, i guess it's our price. so each it tool, uh sudley crossing no longer exists,

but it does putting some line by the fact that um, 3 christian churches are buttons and garza and christians, to the christian leaders in palestine as a whole, have desperately pay all the western countries to cross stock this floor and is as a number of christians outside, whose ark she's standing out for. the question is in the middle a speakers? the kind of usa policies are the last. yeah, yeah. last few years. a desperate night said christie. it was in the middle east and what we need to do is drive pass by, but it's quite possible for these christians and also just to live together because of the right cause of many hundreds. it is a 10 doing what we have to do is to stop these strain, this paper, right? because governments induce, right? oh, uh st. mary's great by speak on behalf of who are jewish with ms. riley people because

they just started. but the trouble is the by to the distribution and then 58 ministration buquet is letting them do this is causing so much home. what is the i'm game or coolest because i thought that's the problem. they say one of the costs of the game is the reputation of the you, k and the u. s. i is debbie roy down they'll, they'll take us far as i see because it is already in a bad situation because of the situation regarding ukraine, which of course not the size of anything about now, but i'm also powerless about like you look at the uh, civilian casualties and ukraine. i the, the a 2 year period, but apparently the up to $21.00 days. yeah. yes. it will. i will a, in directly answer your question, who's projecting questions in the middle east?

christians live um, safely in widely, in a ran and whole by the way in syria as well. but don't tell that to people because western media likes to cover up those sites. you said, let me go back to you. you know, people talk about home us all the time. they can have their opinion. most people in that badly informed and the west is, what is it to you because it's a terrorist organization. it's a, it's a social organizations, a political party. what is some in your mind? well i, there has been trying to get defined homebuyers. i'm transformed from us into i'm going to start to attract the support of the internship community, especially going to the state. how much is part of the new people? they are normal people like me and you decided to take up arms to resist the coordinators to every gene if you patient that israel has been enjoying with infinity for the positive and 5 years. because they know that the piece of process to bring them into the occupation are also of course a 5. the current either of us israel has killed jones for tuesday,

solution even just a few more peacefully along the border and the wonder of things to withdraw the startled different voters, the things that you won't be sure to even have to respond to too much, basically will ensure to ship learners brad to extreme so because they the brand a place to shop a line with can receive. i mean visual, rubbing my centers and crimes. what didn't go ahead without infinity. we're down to blind support from the rest of the rest are just are much, is resisting the occupation. and they said, actually they are willing to change their constitution. i'm big, i'm district that really didn't. and they told us to have a set of invest that to be in the go to buy a lunch with you. right? and 1967 i'm, we know, but it is when you, i faxed it is and got all the students are not going to the just from us. they will become more resisting, will become, they will visually create more to go more history. i mean is, oh really isn't one space. it can have these right now just don't look nice person has rise to it said, i don't know. and you know,

somebody could use our ultimate be turned back because of go around 770000000 person or if she's just kind of all over the world and it has to compress it. but i still use the nations and still this, the internet is coming destro that this is the and then this brings a revel palestine raptor for single for you. i'm in the way because they care about is where i will be doing for our drops. it is right, it is, they said that if you're the person, in fact the case, my point is the best crime. what kind of expression, you know, i mean, honestly, i mean, definitely sort of course the, the stuff with that and everything the going to use it. but at the same time i support not season ukraine. i mean, i'm just trying to find the most everywhere. yeah. well, the will always support extreme is groups because it was a great instability which they could always really wants to finish the started printing for data points to finish the next. i think you can get the same,

but i send you an extension of time in the future. it's interesting, lucas, it is it. but recently, over the last few years, not always something that is frowned upon and is really discourse because you're supposed, well, it never happened. and you know, they left in, you know, they left the keys in the door and as well, they just want to leave. but now they're using the term again and you know, again i was, you know, we started out the 2nd part of the program talking about the future. but there is no possibility. design is and will not confident a to put 2 state solution. it system authentic called to that world view. so what do we do? that's why we have this conundrum. you know, you know it's going to be 0. 1 a one state and it's good to be ethnically cleanse. when done. yeah. they're not done. yeah. lucas. yeah, i mean that's funny, they bring it up, the knock where they say never happened. and you know, it's funny that the media always starts with everything was fine until a mass flow over the wall. and all kinds of people are similar to ukraine. washer

all, everything was fine until putting invaded no, there's a whole the she just woke up in the morning and today's you great. so most americans, as you, as you mentioned her, most people the less, don't understand or go know what's going on because the media starts their timeline when they want to start it. and they forget the history of the knock, but which again, scientists, terrorist and militias, display 700000 palestinians from the home committed massacres across the land. and that's where all start, that's what israel's founded. so people don't even know the story and they say, well that's crazy, never happened now they're saying bring on the 2nd knock, but we're going to finish what we saw. busy did, and these rallies are pretty much hanging themselves with this narrative, which again, in one way it's horrible to know that this happened in other. it sheds light on what design is entity actually is it is this colonial power, the land also lucas. it's a stain on the conscience of the west because words, no one can say in this day and age with the technology we have even though they that are switching on and off the, the internet and the phones and all that know on

a conscious knowing person cannot say i didn't know you can't say that right now, anthony. a. well, i think if you're looking won't stop doing it goes. but the is right. you got them says psych interviews. that's a very caution. thoughtful trip bottom here if i or that they were, i'd say pretty so i can capital cities, but i don't see a visual impose in the world. but uh great. so being defeated in certain areas without destroying the civilian population. and of course it is a little crime say target so to the of this is or is that's actually happened. but if we go back and see how the situation will be published on the post on the if we can get it done. but really to the 2 state solution, which in the you, i, my law for about because frankly, it gets all night jobs. that's all we've got so sure and show that it is right. let's take a 3. we have a son, has

a go for the home for phase as we know. so how is it, how is it supposed c carter fund itself because it has to have the rights to self defense. the same is, is right. oh, yeah. the housing goal because i know the forces overseeing dolls. uh theres. uh i'm asked who have golf. i. uh so the official um full sized box. if we don't see the crates for feet shot, i think the government's at the bottom of the call to go and see the sights of palestine that we don't have to have such a lot incursions and praise how i say that is going to be how fan is now i think as well. so it is right. these citizens is finding none, but i got to be secure or they're not going to support what some of the cypress are they the m anthony? i think that, you know, that's what you know, the october 7th will go down in history for many, many different reasons. but it is, it is the failure of design this project, okay. it's supposed to be israel is supposed to be the haven for. are jews around

the world on they're not so say they're not safe for an important affairs in here and they're not safe at home. right now. design is project is gone, bust is made the situation for various people around the world very on site, and it's time for you, right? course body is probably the complement regarding the i think is obvious. i don't really care about re, j is whether it comes down say i may say there is a step is between g tires and sinus. i remember you all use the sign is i'm is a bastardization of 2 days and i want to give the palestinian on our panel the last minute ago in the, in london. i think there's, as the product is declining and all this rate is enough to us citizenship as to why there is a risk that can be started by the time, basically towards your discharge, that they don't have this sense of belonging to them. but as soon as are being bunk beds like,

like for the past 25 days and they did not move in and just from their houses, there's shown that the tool owners of them are i think i don't get it on piece is mirage as role is not willing to exit. i person interstate specially and drug sticks last in solutions and big ones to make it things that 13 years out. but i talked to somebody with a drawing some points to the person in the doors with incredible media like or so. i think there's a learners and i think the old will know whether it this, why am i and i couldn't have anticipated a a positive and to a very tragic story that we're talking. but i'm glad we ended on that. the point i want to take my guess and break where things and, and in lender and what i think our viewers for watching us here in our dc and next time remember, prospect was the, take a fresh look around is a life kaleidoscopic, isn't just

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