of that will affect the countries in the region. we call them the actors to promote lasting peace. these 2 different rule books used to determine the good from the bad of finding themselves under scrutiny. one of the you and some of the senior officials, the head of the human rights commission is a new office, has had enough in escaping resignation. he'd choose is well of committing genocide . you know, genocide is a very politicized term, often abused. but in this case, the hardest part of proving genocide has been proven for us with these very open statements of genocidal intent by israeli officials, including the prime minister and the president and senior cabinet ministers and military officials who in their public statements have indicated very clearly uh, their intention not to distinguish between civilians and combatants. uh and to carry out the kinds of wholesale slaughter that we are witnessing in gaza. so the u . n was not just failing. it's gigi to prevent that. but according to mccully,

but the u. s. u. k. and much of europe was wholly complicit in the her risk assault. and he's not the only one in disgust at the west double standards. it's also being accused of reading lighting, potential crimes by as well, which we have wilson today. it is one of the darkest hours of all times. we are watching genocide life. oh, those who have questioned the lack of pools feast biased by their own governments have been unceremoniously dumped, but perhaps it's hard for the west to seats own hypocrisy all through the u. s was billed to the idea of so called manifesto destiny, a kate stealing land from the native americans. the wealth of many european nations came from plundering countries across the world, shipping the people to be slaves. much of the troubles in the middle east can be

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[000:00:00;00] the hello and welcome to the bus stop where all things are considered. i'm peter will. bill is real, says is war aim is the destruction. and from us is that even realistically possible, does destroying him. us entail the destruction of the palestinian people in gaza. then there's the question of who will roll gaza after the more so many questions without answers the press ok palestine and joined by my guest lucas gauge and brake. he is

a marine veteran officer and philosopher in worth a. we have anthony webb murphy as an independent political commentator. and in london we crossed to use a low. he is the palestinian journalist, writer, and political analysts from gaza or across socrates and effect. that means you can jump anytime you want, and i always appreciated. all right, let's go to us use up in london. so we can have in the last couple of new cycles, we've talked about the, the costs of this war in terms of casualties. and it's really kind of um i, veronica, the casual and casualty are kind of similar in, in, in, in spelling. but they're very, very opposite here. but there is a casual talk about the casualties these really sub told the americans, you know, there's going to be mass casualties and the americans, um, a appear to be in lock step. with this, with american made weapons, the pentagon is already come out. and so it is, we will do it at once with the american made weapons that it's purchase. so at the end of the day,

the united states has very much comfortable with the military operation against gods. and we can forget about the people that are being persecuted in the west bank . go ahead and one to to yes, thank you for having let me start by saying that the best thing is we did not often get better senior adjustments. lucky and as well. just device, it's coming to the office of impression and draws out that this is the question for collateral damage we purchased in years. we are not people. i listened. got this wrong. i sympathized the international system by relating to the western values of democracy and base and so on the west, by the way, we'll take the case to recover from these things that this one has been doing to the incoming. now what we know that this regarding most the shows the keep trying or justifying commerce exist under giovanni refugee campbell under tenants. but there's nothing just defines these mass killings unit, sorry,

one of the world is watching. um, obviously as role kind of go on with the search, definitely cleansing without the approval blind support to say, and i did the states because what happened of the civil war explodes, israel's academic vision for the past 75 years. i think israel is suffering from uninterrupted crisis pro, but um, uh, what's happening in garza, also uh, it exposes the standard policy all the way back towards the of the way they like states the united kingdom and those cultures are keep saying that israel has the right for so that the 1st of the things, what about the question is, i mean, well, have you been pushing in this ms. really weiner? and as soon as i do give this rate, why we are being treated, the us, why we are being doing, all right, is that that goes by serious i'm. that's why. well the, it's interesting is that this land tray here is where it helps the right to self defense. ok,

fine book is real as occupying guns in the west bank. so it's far more complicated, legally, a then, then the cliches would make it out to be look as if i can go to you just kind of an expensive. but we heard from us, if is that there is seems to be a suspension of international humanitarian law. i mean, in the rules based order and all of these other a slogans that we hear all the time. they're all, all of a sudden suspended for one country under one condition. and the policy of that is because blaring and it's getting far worse because these images are just critic. i think it's something you can't forget when you see it. go ahead. lucas. yeah. as you know, i've been to the rock twice. i was deployed there for one of these other wars that my country launched illegally into the rock and destroyed that nation. so i've seen death and destruction before. what i'm seeing coming on from guys is death and destruction like as if it's out of war and they're not at war. these railings are

committing. what i would say is a genocide and several people are starting to use this word comfortably. because as you mentioned, peter, the pictures and videos of babies and children being pulled out are rubble. these are not combatants. they claim a mazda is under a rebuilding, but i've never seen that. how my sold are being pulled out of the rubble. we just see these people being massacred in genocide, ethnically cleansed because that's the policy of desires, entity. they want to expand. they don't have this solid border for a reason. they want to keep go the going the or did you non plan be people you can look that up. they want this from the euphrates to the, to the see allowed to see the entire thing that the palestinians say they want to be free. these rarely is want, the entire thing is the opposite. and they are more than happy to commit genocide in order to get that. whereas they say, well, if we put our weapons down, we will cease to exist. and no, you won't, you would go back to what it was before is real existing, which was completely fine. the arabs and the jews were living in peace. it's only been

a problem ever since design is parasite as well. i called colony chains into existence . so it's, it's terrific what we're seeing and it's allowed because design is captured, the west, the western media, the western politicians. we have lobbies like a pack which is trending on x the other day. these are the reasons why there's silence from the west because they have captured, bought off. and as the american people, the people in the k, in the west, in general, under their spell. well, hey anthony. and, but that, that's if we can talk about the global south, and that's not selling it at all. i mean, we have a number of countries that started breaking diplomatic relations with israel, the jury, jordanians a recall there in bassett, or, and they said they will not go back until the conflict is over. i don't know how we define how this conflict comes to an end it's, it's very strange to me that you know, for all the talk of, of israel's military problem. this and all of this, which i think is more propaganda than anything else. if, if they really were that they would go into an awful for us with a landing basement, they won't because they,

they can't absorb the casualties. it's unacceptable to them. but it's acceptable if you can kill a child every single 10 minutes in gaza. the point, the point i'm trying to make here is it is real likes to flex its military muscles because it knows it has the west backend, particularly in the united states. but it doesn't have a political objective to extricate themselves from this problem because this is going to be going to stay with them for a very long time. unfortunately, i think all horror of is going to be talking a number a number of times together before this conflict comes to an end. go ahead anthony. well, yeah, so i agree with you such a let's see previous speak, cuz i'm sorry. some property in front of you, but if it wasn't for perfect preview us, i have the terry this way, the government or all thought i should say, the car on to sign the government. we're going to good to. well, i have talking and job. they stop say they're poor all over them off they've

actually gone. 2 but if you look, show you the position of the you carry are cool. so you kind of hot the mandates for palestine up until 1948. you think there would be a certain suited responsibilities? a body you to a certain show? piece between the preston chairs and most of the sudden palestine. but instead what we're doing is we're actually using power and shipping and it's stream is fine. honestly don't wednesday this friday i'll see actually even work against the interests of these are the people because i haven't called these are the people they are, but they might have some people behind them. but the reality is what good is old briskin today for x ray, the relations with the rest of the walls? or do they don't actually care? because they go the way of it? certainly things be full of the if we look up the how about the situation because

certainly have to have that she was back in 2006. uh place to be had 45 percent of the right. so um, you told sort of all you your account take perfect the household be so really in the population of dollars. uh uh, because basically you called the site the majority of people and also supports how about, sorry, uh well, i mean, but that, anthony, let me just go back to our guest and one. and i mean, again, this is a convoluted argument to mean a joe biden, in his infinite wisdom. and i say who that with a lot of sarcasm says you know, the people of, of a gaza don't support him off. well then why are you telling them why you will let them be killed? okay, if, if that's a meet you see every single argument they make is convoluted upside down and inside out. go ahead. yeah, well, absolutely. when, when he said the right person, the experience, but the test drive to the international law, what kind of a traditional lo,

when you would just intentionally kill somebody or give justification, gospel british and by the way they understand the regions or expelled back in 94 days from the dentist as it is uh christmas, right 1st time. as long as the patient or young people below the age of 20. i. by the way, if it's all things that how much do you think that are seniors as human shields? because israel that has been using but as soon as i was eating shields for the positivity fine, he is with, you know, we usually don't deny the indigenous peoples, but it's turning garza and westbank interested in the, from their basic rights. indeed, swan chart, tricity, medical supplies fluid and also the waterfront, the, the black out into is yes, i am. people come up with the idea even, you know is, oh, is extremely nation. or, you know, golden clinic submission to go. people to kind of this guy is considered as a concentration guy, even because at present when you just have drugs as those last corporate opinion

present means that you committed the crime. but as soon as they know what the crime because they've been, you know, fighting for still determinations are innocent. people being killed there are night . and there is also have more defined folders. these are the result is there won't be no keeps mixing more, it has no constitution, and it keeps lying to the with when it's really, you know, you can lead the ironing of iron is israel is a product of the united nations. you with the bar? yes, i mean, but, but you, you would think, since it's a creation of the united nations, it would be incumbent upon israel to follow the resolutions of the security council, which they don't let me, let me go back to lucas because he, you know what? it's like to be in a about a on a battlefield. i'll, i'll say exactly what i think i don't, i'm not going to make it pretty. but for anyone, i think they want to just clear the land and they don't care how they do it. as long as they get the backing of christian zine is in a even tell a calls and you know,

be all this apocalyptic nonsense. and this will feed into that. and they'll say, you know what, they'll say, lucas, we did it for peace. that's good. that, that's going to be their slogan. go ahead. looks exactly how many of have in yahoo, you know, using well tell music versus about. i'm a lack in the light in the darkness. the appealing to this a religious thing, similar to how george bush that it's after $911.00 and then it's a christian versus muslim war. here we have this jewish verse palestinian war and is going back to ancient, you know, text to justify his mass murder. and i've seen rabbis even say, hey, you know, this is how it has to be conducted. men, women drilled, and everything's got to go. we have to raise guys a completely, we've been nice for too long. i heard a woman saying we're, we're being nice this. i saw that interview. i saw that interview crazy. you've been nice this. ok. she was talking to her son going in the battle. apparently i look, this is something he said he's like, we're going to change history. they're going all in this time after the a tober 7th incursion or wherever you want to. people want to call it, you know,

how much finally strikes back and those rallies, feel what they've been doing for 75 years. and i'm not justifying either one doing anything, but this is they want to call it a war one here and, and then that happens to them. they start crying up all my go look what we. we couldn't condemn it, but we can certainly stand horse and not whitewash it as well. gentlemen, i'm going to jump in here. we're going to go to a short break. and after that short break, we'll continue our discussion on gaza. stay with our team,

the . the, the welcome back. the prospect were all things are considered. all right peter, the bell. this is the home addition to remind you were discussing palestine. the

the toys go back to anthony. it's the, again, i want to go back to the, the politics of is and the military because, you know, they, they, they, you know, we hear the rhetoric during, in the fog of war. i think the defense minister going on saying, you know, we're watching our hands of the gods here. this will be the last time we do a very popular lifting the language and they're all probably secular jews too. i always find it very interesting. secular, people using religious terminology, but it does kind of big. the question is what's next? okay. they get to bring in a file to, you know, a boss, you know, is you get a ride into guys on the back of an, as wally tag, i don't think he's going to be welcome there. oh, we'll get the egyptians to do a bid zip. since they're not going to do this, or maybe the saudis will send in a part, they're not going to do it. nobody wants to dirty their hands on this because it is at the very least ethnic cleansing it worse. it's genocide then who wants to be associated with that job?

i'm listed up history. well, remember what you did here and now go ahead. anthony was closely about to another tree about the tree off for christ of this row and draw. so it is all giving the impression that america is probably the on board. i thought of the story, the government does, this is fair. that's comfortable. i mean, draws the scanner and up time it be in the saw. no, i guess it's our price. so each it tool, uh sudley crossing no longer exists, but it does putting some line, but the fact that the 3 christian churches are bought and taken garza and christians to the christian leaders and power side as a whole, have desperately pay or to western countries to cost on this floor and is as a number of questions on the side who's actually standing out for the question is in the middle a speakers?

the kind of usa policies are the last. yeah, yeah. last few years, just so that you said christie. it was in the middle east and it won't be beach to the sky, thoughts but, but, but it is quite possible for these christians and also just to live together because of the right cause of many hundreds. it is a 10 doing what we have to do is to stop these strain. this paper. why? because governments induce, right? oh, uh st. mary's good bye. speak on behalf of who are jewish with ms. riley. people because they just started. but the trouble is the bite the station, and then 58 ministration view, trash is letting them do this is causing something about how, what is the i'm guy because vickers thought that's the problem. they say one of the costs of a game is the reputation of the you, k and the u. s. i discovered roy down they'll, they'll take us as a to, because up is already in

a bad situation because of the situation regarding ukraine, which of course not the size of the thing about now. but i'm also powerless about like you look at the uh, civilian casualties in the ukraine. i the, the a 2 year period. but apparently the figure that the $21.00 days. yeah, yes. i will. i will a indirectly answer your question, who's protecting questions in the middle east christians live um, safely and widely in a ran and hole by the way, in syria as well. don't tell that to people because western media likes to cover up those sites. you said, let me go back to you, you know, people talk about home us all the time. they can have their opinion. most people that badly informed and the west is what is it to you because it's a terrorist organization. it's a, it's a social organizations, a political party. what is some in your mind? well, i,

there has been trying to rectify homebuyers. i'm transformed from us into i'm going to start to attract the support of the internship community, especially going to the states almost as popular as a new depot. they are normal people like me and you decided to take up arms to resist the coordinators to regina that if you patient that is what has been enjoining with infinity for the positive and find years because they know that the piece of process to bring them into the occupation or also of course, or a 5 the currently there applause. is there a discount of johns for tuesday solution even just the wash peacefully along the border. the wonder things don't withdraw the startled different voters, the friends you won't be sure to even have to respond to too much. basically, what was your to ship learners, but i think extreme. so those dates the brand, a place to shop a line with cursing. i mean, visual rhetoric, right, my centers and crimes, what didn't go ahead without infinity. we're down to

a blind support from the semester store. much is resisting that occupation and they should actually, they are willing to change their constitution. i'm that i'm district that really didn't, and they tell us to have a set of invest the go to buy a lot. so if you buy the 1967 and we know, but it is like the x rays and the students are not going to the just from us, they will become more resisting. they will become, they will visually great more to go more history. i mean is, oh really isn't one space. you can have these right now. just don't look nice. pressing his rice to it said, i don't know. and you know, somebody could use our ultimate be turned back because we go around 770000000 person or if she's just kind of all over the world and it has to come visit. but i still use, the vision was still this that introduced camine estrella. this is the and then this brings a level palestine wrapped with but a single for yeah. i'm in the west because they care about is wrote the don't write drops, it is right. it is, uh they said that if you're in the person,

in fact the case, my point is the best crime. what kind of expression of you know, i mean, honestly, i mean the standard for is the better stuff with that and everything. the yes it back at the same time i support not season ukraine. i mean, i'm just trying to find those to me everywhere. yeah. but the west will always support extreme is groups because it will have grades instability, which they can always really wants to finish the started right, the 4 digit ones to finish the next. i think you're going to get the same, but i send you an extension of the warranty to. it's interesting, lucas, it is it. but recently, over the last few years, not always something that is found upon and is really discourse because you're supposed, well it never happened. and you know, they left in, you know, they left the keys in the door and as well, they just want to leave. but now they're using the term again and you know, again i was, you know, we started out the 2nd part of the program talking about the future. but there is no cost ability design is and will not confident

a to put 2 state solution. it's just and that, that it called to that world view. so what do we do? that's why we have this conundrum. you know, you know, it's going to be one for a one state and it's going to be ethnically cleanse then or my god. yeah. they're not done. yeah. lucas. yeah, i mean, that's funny to bring it up. the knock where they say never happened. and you know, it's funny that the media always starts with everything was fine until a mass flow over the wall. and all kinds of people are similar to ukraine. washer all, everything was fine until putting invaded no, there's a whole dc just woke up in the morning and said they do great. so most americans, as you, as you mentioned, are most people the less, don't understand or go know what's going on because the media starts their timeline when they want to start it. and they forget the history of the knock, but which again, scientists, terrorist and militias, display 700000 palestinians from the home committed massacres across the land. and that's where all it all started. that's what israel's founded. so people don't even know the story and they say, well that's crazy,

never happened. now they're saying bring on the 2nd knock, but we're going to finish what we started. and these rallies are pretty much hanging themselves with this narrative, which again, in one way it's horrible to know that this happened. other, it sheds light. what design is entity actually is it, is this colonial power, the land also, lucas? it's a stain on the conscience of the west because war, no one can say in this day and age with a technology that we have even though they, they're switching on and off the, the internet and the phones and all that know on a conscious knowing person cannot say i didn't know you can't say that right now, anthony, as well, i think it's ok won't stop doing here in our draws. but the is where the got booms, just like interviews that's very caught in thoughtful to bottom here. if i or that they were, i'd say pretty so i can capital cities, but i can see a visual impose in the world. but uh great. so being defeated in certain

areas without destroying the civilian population. and of course it is a little crime say target. so do we have this is or is that's actually happened. but if we go back to the situation, we post on the post on the if we can get it done, we're really to the 2 state solution which i'll be in the you, i, my law for about because the pricing is gone right jobs. it's all we've got fish and show does it is really i mistake 3 the how the sun has to go for the home for phase as we know. so how is it, how is it supposed to be hard to find it? so because it has to have the right to self defense, the same is, is right. oh, yeah, the husband always, i know forces office in golf does how most who have core. right. right. so the official forces. but if we don't say to create the feet shot, i think the government supervisor took off the gun and see the sights of palestine

that we don't have to have such a lot incursions and praise how i say that is going to be how fan is now i think i love it is right, these citizens, if i know you're probably going to be sick, you all find all kinds of supports. what some of the cypress repeat and anthony, i think that you know, this would be the october 7th. we'll go down in history for many, many different reasons. but it is, it is the failure of design is the project, okay? it's supposed to be israel is supposed to be the haven for. are jews around the world when they're not so say they're not safe for an important affairs in it, and they're not safe at home right now. design, this project is gone. bust is made the situation for various people throughout the world very on the site. and it's time for you right to his body is ravi calling regarding the i think as long as i don't really care about reduce whether it comes down say, i may say there is

a difference between g dias for as long as i remember you all usually the sign is i'm is a bastardization of the data and i want to give the palestinian on our panel the last minute you're going to in london. i think there's as the product is declining in all these writers, they have to us citizenship. a sign there is an risk and going to can be started by the time, basically towards your discharge that they don't have this sense of belonging to them. as soon as they're being bunk beds like, like for the past 25 years. and they did not what ends from their houses. there's shown that the true owners of them are, i think, i don't get them on piece. is your raj as role is not willing to accept the person in the states? that's what i'm direct. 6, west in solution and it wants to if they get things that are seniors off the line, but i talked to somebody with a drawing some points to the person in the doors. were they control media like or so? i think there's a learners and i think that will well my whether it this,

why am i and i would like i couldn't have anticipated at a positive end to a very tragic story that we're talking. but i'm glad we ended on that. the point i want to take my guess and break worthington and in london, what i think our viewers for watching us here at ortiz, the next time, remember, prospect was the, the refugee camp use of flattened in central gas that has the level of imported killed and then these really striking the south as idea of forces advance into the territory, saying these is not an option. we circled the concept of a ceasefire is not currently on the table at all. the idea is that for and is