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presented to this, but can you see through their illusion going underground? can the the hello and welcome to address stuff. were all things are considered. i'm peter will . bill. israel says it's war aim is the destruction of come us is that even realistically possible? does destroying him, us entail the destruction of the palestinian people in gaza. then there's the question of who will rule gaza after the war? so many questions without answers

the the press sucking palestine and joined by my guest lucas gauge and brake. he is a marine veteran author and philosopher in word thing. we have anthony webb murphy as an independent political commentator. and in london we positive use a low, he is the palestinian journalist, writer, and political analysts from gaza or across socrates and the fact that means you can jump anytime you want. and i always appreciated. all right, let's go to us the use of in london. um we have in the last couple of new cycles, we've talked about the, the costs of this war in terms of casualties. and it's really kind of, um, i, veronica, the casual in casualty are kind of similar and in, in, in spelling. but they're very, very opposite here, but there is a casual talk about the casualties. these really said, told the americans, you know, there's going to be mass casualties and the americans, um,

a appear to be in lock step with this, with american made weapons, the pentagon is already come out. and so it is, we will do it at once with the american made weapons that it's purchase. so at the end of the day, the united states is very much comfortable with the military operation against gods . and we can forget about the people that are being persecuted in the west bank. go ahead and want to yes, thank you for having let me start by saying that we can use we did not often get better senior. we just got lucky um as well, just device, it's coming to the office of impression and draws out that this is the question for collateral damage. we 1st in years we are people, i listened. got this role as the tires, the international system, by relating to the western values of democracy on base and so on. the west, by the way, we'll take the case to cover from these things that this one has been doing to the

mind coming ok. now what we know that is for the most visuals, the key blade of justifying commerce exist under giovanni refugee campbell under tenants. but there is nothing justifies these misgivings convincing. junior, sorry, one of the world is watching. um, obviously his role cannot go on with such degrees and without the approval blind support. so they knighted states because what type of decisions october explains israel i put in a vision for the cost savings. you find peers i think is ro, is suffering from uninterrupted crisis. product pro, but um, uh, what's happening in garza also uh, it exposes, uh, the starting point of view of the ways that the, the, of the way the united states, the united kingdom and those cultures are keep saying that israel has the right for so that the 1st of the things, what about the question is, i mean, well, have you been pushing this ms. really weiner?

and as soon as i do give this rate why we are being treated, the us why we are being doing right. is that because by as soon as i can, that's why. well, the, it's interesting is that this land tray is really helps the right to self defense. ok, fine book is real as occupying guns in the west bank. so it's far more complicated, legally. and then the cliches would make it out to be lucas if i can go to you just kind of an extension of what we heard from us if is that there is seems to be a suspension of international humanitarian law. i mean, in the rules based order and all of these other a slogans that we hear all the time. they're all, all of a sudden suspended for one country under one condition. and the prophecy of that is because blaring and it's getting far worse because these images are just critic. i think it's something you can't forget when you see it. go ahead. lucas. yeah. as you know,

i've been to the rock twice. i was deployed there for one of these other wars that my country launched the legally into the rock and destroyed that nation. so i've seen death and destruction before. what i'm seeing coming on from guys is death and destruction like as if it's out of war and they're not at war. these railings are committing. what i would say is a genocide and several people are starting to use this word comfortably. because as you mentioned, peter, the pictures and videos of babies and children being pulled out are rubble. these are not combatants. they claim a mazda is under a rebuilding, but i've never seen it. how my soldier being pulled out of the rubble. we just see these people being massacred in genocide, ethnically cleansed because that's the policy of desires, entity. they want to expand. they don't have this solid border for a reason. they want to keep go the going the or did you non plan do people, you can look that up. they want this from the euphrates to the, to the see allowed to see the entire thing that the palestinians say they want to be free. these rarely is want, the entire thing is the opposite. and they are more than happy to commit genocide

in order to get that. whereas they say, well, if we put our weapons down, we will cease to exist. and no, you won't, you would go back to what it was before is real existing, which was completely fine. the arabs and the jews were living in peace. it's only been a problem ever since design is terrace site is what i call colony chains into existence . so it's, it's terrific what we're seeing and it's allowed because design is captured, the west, the western media, the western politicians. we have lobbies like a pack which is trending on x the other day. these are the reasons why there's silence from the west because they have captured, bought off. and as the american people, the people in the you k in the west, in general, under their spell a well i, anthony, and, but that, that's if we can talk about the global south. and that's not selling it at all. i mean, we have a number of countries that started breaking diplomatic relations with israel, the jury, jordanians of recall, they're in bass that are and they said they will not go back until the conflict is over. i don't know how we define how this conflict comes to an end it's,

it's very strange to me that you know, for all the talk of, of israel's military problem. this and all of this, which i think is more propaganda than anything else. if, if they really were that they would go into a, a full forest with a landing basement, they won't because they, they can absorb the casualties. it's unacceptable to them. but it's acceptable if you can kill a child every single 10 minutes in gaza. the point, the point i'm trying to make here is it is real likes to flex its military muscles because it knows it has the west backend, particularly in the united states. but it doesn't have a political objective to extricate themselves from this problem because this is going to be going to stay with them for a very long time. unfortunately, i think all horror of is going to be talking a number a number of times together before this complet comes to an end. go ahead anthony. yeah, so i agree with bob use that and let's see previous speak cuz i'm sorry. some property in front of you, but it wasn't for protect preview your site of the terry i think is why the

government or all thought, i should say the com to start a government which is a good fit to what i have talking. and so they stop saying they're poor all over them off they've actually gone. 2 but if you look to say the position of the you carry are cool. so you kind of get hot the mandates for palestine up until 1948. you think there would be a certain surface pump? sabelle it said bother you tied to it and show pace between the preston series for most of the sudden palestine. but instead what we're doing is we're actually using power and shipping and it's previous minority companies. it is friday. oh, see actually even work i've seen 1st of these are the people because i haven't talked to is, are the people there on there might have some people behind them, but the reality is won't good is old risk in today for as variety relations with

the rest of the walls or do they don't actually care because they go the way they certainly things be full. and if we look up the, how about the situation? because certainly have to elections back in 2006. uh, place to be had 45 percent of the right. sorry. um, you told sort of all you your call take perfect to your house or be so busy and the population of dollars a because basically you called the site, the majority of people and also supports how about sorry, well i mean, but the anthony, let's go back to our guest and one, and i mean again, this is a convoluted argument to mean a joe biden in his infinite wisdom. and i say who that with a lot of sarcasm says you know, the people of, of a guys or don't support him off. well then why are you telling them why you will let them be killed?

okay, if, if that's a, i mean, you see every single argument they make is convoluted upside down and inside out. go ahead. yeah, well, absolutely. when, when he said that this was the right for something strange, but it has to act within the international law. what kind of very traditional low when you just intentionally kill somebody? yeah, i'm give justification, gospel british. and by the way, the that was just as a religious order expelled back in 1948 from the indigenous as it is. of course, the story 1st time as long as the patient or young people below the age of 20. i. by the way, if there's all things that, how much do you think that are seniors as human shields? because israel that has been using but as soon as human shields for the positivity, find kids with, you know, we usually don't deny the indigenous peoples, but it's turning garza and westbank interested in the, from their basic rights and needs one chart, tricity medical supplies, fluid and also the waterfront, the, the black out inches. yes. i am people come up with are, you know,

even you know is, oh, is extremely nation or, you know, going to in clinic submission to go. people to kind of this guy is considered as a concentration got even because at present when you just have drugs, as the most popular person present means that you committed to crime as soon as they know what the crime because they've been, you know, fighting for still determination, they're innocent, people being killed, they are night. and there is also have more defined folders. these are just what are the, what the, what the, what the result is on. do you know, keeps mixing more? it has no constitution and it keeps lying to the when it's really, you know, again the, the ironing of iron is israel is a product of united nations. you wouldn't the more. yes, i mean, but, but you, you would think, since it's a creation of the united nations, it would be incumbent upon israel to follow the resolutions of the security council, which they don't let me, let me go back to lucas because he, you know what? it's like to be in a about a on a battlefield. i'll,

i'll say exactly what i think i, i'm not going to make it pretty. but for anyone, i think they want to just clear the land and they don't care how they do it. as long as they get the backing of christian zine is in a even tell a calls and you know, be all this apocalyptic nonsense. and this real will beat into that. and they'll say, you know what, they'll say, lucas, we did it for peace. that's good. that, that's going to be their slogan. go ahead. looks exactly how many you have in yahoo, you know, using well tell music versus about. i'm a lack in the light in the darkness. the appealing to this a religious thing, similar to how george bush did it after 911. then it's a christian versus muslim war. here we have this jewish verse palestinian war and is going back to ancient, you know, text to justify as mass murder. and i've seen rabbis even say, hey, you know, this is how it has to be conducted. men, women, children, everything's got to go. we have to raise gaza completely. we've been nice for too long. i heard a woman say we're, we're being nice this. i saw that interview,

i saw that interview crazy you that nice this. ok. she was talking to her son going in the battle. apparently i look, this is something he said he's like, we're going to change history. they're going all in this time after the tobar 7th incursion, or wherever you want to, people want to call it, you know, i must finally strikes back and those rallies, feel what they've been doing for 75 years. and i'm not just defying either one doing anything, but this is they want to call it a war one here and. and then that happens to them. they start crying up all my god, look what we we couldn't condemn it, but we can certainly stand it already and not whitewash it as well. gentlemen, i'm going to jump in here. we're going to go to a short break. and after that short break, we'll continue our discussion on gaza. stay with rp, the

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the welcome back across that were all things are considered. all right, peter will bell. this is the home addition to remind you were discussing palestine . the the toys go back to anthony. it's the, again, i want to go back to the, the politics of is and the military because, you know, they, they, they, you know, we hear the rhetoric during, in the fall, the more, i think the defense minister going on saying, you know, we're washing our hands of the gods here, this will be the last time we do a very popular lipstick language, and they're all probably secular jews too. i always find it very interesting.

secular, people using religious terminology, but it does kind of big. the question is what's next? okay. they get to bring in a file to, you know, a boss, you know, is you get a ride into guys on the back of and as really tang, i don't think he's going to be welcome there. oh, we'll get the egyptians to do a bit zip. since they're not going to do this, or maybe the saudis will send in a part, they're not going to do it. nobody wants to dirty their hands on this because it is at the very least ethnic cleansing it worse. it's genocide then who wants to be associated with that job? i'm listed up history. well, remember what you did here and now go ahead. anthony was closely about to another tree about the tree off the coast of this row and draws that is all giving the impression that america is probably the onboard outside of the story. the government does, this is fair. that's comfortable. i mean, girls has gotten their end up permanently in the saw. no,

i guess it's our price. so each it tool slightly costs are no longer exists, but it does bring some line. but the fact that 3 christian churches are bought and taken garza and christians to the christian leaders in palestine as a whole, have desperately pay or to the western countries to cos. thought this floor is as a number of questions upside, who's actually starting out for the question is in the middle a speakers? the kind of usa policies are the last yeah. yeah. last few years just so that you said christie. it was in the middle east and what we need to do is guide pass by, but it is quite possible for these christians and most of us live together because of the records of many hundreds of years of doing. what we have to do is to stop these strainers paper white because governments induce right, oh,

uh st. mary's good bye. speak on behalf of who are jewish with ms. riley people because they just started. but the trouble is the by to the distribution. i'm inside the administration in the u. k. is letting them do this is causing so much how. what is the i'm gay because vickers thought that's the problem. they say one of the cost of a game is the reputation of the you, k and the u. s. i is the right job they'll, they'll take us, i have to because up is already in a bad situation because of the situation regarding ukraine, which of course not the size of the thing about now, but i'm also powerless about like you look at the civilian casualties that the ukraine i the the a 2 year period but apparently the figure that the $21.00 days. yeah. yes. it will. i will it in directly answer your question. who's protecting questions in the

middle east? christians live um, safely and widely in a ran and hole, by the way, in syria as well. don't tell that to people because the western media likes to cover up those sites. you said, let me go back to you. you know, people talk about home us all the time. they can have their opinion. most people in that badly informed and the west is, what is it to you because it's a terrorist organization. it's a, it's a social organizations, a political party. what is some in your mind? well i, there has been trying to rectify homebuyers. i'm transformed from us into i'm going to start to attract the support of the internship committee, especially going to the state. how much is part of the new people? they are normal people like me and you decided to take up arms to resist the coordinators to regina that if you patient that is what has been enjoining with infinity for the positive and 5 years because they know that the piece of process to try to bring them into that condition or also of course uh 5 the current either

of us. is there a discount on insurance for tuesday solution? i even use the wash peacefully along the border. the wonder things don't withdraw the startled different voters, the things that you won't be sure to even have to respond to too much. basically, what was your to ship learners? perhaps a extra step because they they brand a place to shop a line with color scheme. i mean, visual rubbish. i must occurs and crimes what didn't go ahead without infinity. we're down to a blind support from the rest of the rest are just are much, is resisting the occupation. and they said, actually they are willing to change their constitution. i'm that i'm district their own, they didn't and they tell us to have a set of invest the know to buy a lot. so if you buy the 1967 and we know what it is when you like that. so it isn't. the students are not going to the just from us, they will become more resisting. they will become, they will visually great more to go. more history. i mean is, oh, really isn't one space. we can have these right now just don't look nice person has

rise to it said, i don't know. and you know, somebody could use our ultimate be turned back because of go around 770000000 person or if she's just kind of all over the world and it has to compress it. but i still use the nation as a service. the internet is going to install the business that and then this brings a level palestine wrapped up pretty simple for you. i'm in the way because they care about is where i will be doing fantastic is ready. it is. uh they said that if you're ready to proceed, in fact, the case, my point, who's the best crime, what kind of expression of you know, i mean, honestly, i mean the starting point is do you guys start with that and everything? the yes, a back at the same time i support not season ukraine. i mean, i'm just kind of the most everywhere. yeah. well, the west will always support extreme is groups because it was a great instability which they can always really wants to finish, that they start to grab the 4 digit ones to finish the next. i think you're going

to get the same product and use extensive kind of find the future. it's interesting, lucas, it is it. but recently, over the last few years, not always something that is frowned upon and is really discourse because you're supposed well it never happened. and you know, they left in, you know, they left the keys in the door and as well, they just want to leave. but now they're using the term again. and you know, again i was, you know, we started out the 2nd part of the program talking about the future. but there is no cost ability design is and will not confident a to put the 2 state solution exist. and that, that it cool to that world view. so what do we do? that's why we have this conundrum. you know, you know, it's going to be 01 a one state and it's going to be ethnically cleanse, then center. my god. yeah. they're not done. yeah. lucas? yeah, i mean, that's funny. they bring it up to knock where they say never happened. and you know, it's funny that the media always starts with everything was fine until a mouse flew over the wall. and all kinds of people are similar to ukraine, russia,

all, everything was fine until putting, invaded no, there's a whole these, you just woke up in the morning and they do great. so most americans, as you, as you mentioned, are most people the less, don't understand or go know what's going on because the media starts their timeline when they want to start it. and they forget the history of the knock, but which again, scientists, terrorist and militias, display 700000 palestinians from the home committed massacres across the land. and that's where all it all started. that's what israel's founded. so people don't even know the story and they say, well, that's crazy never, i've never now they're saying bring on the 2nd not, but we're going to finish what we started. and these rallies are pretty much hanging themselves with this narrative, which again, in one way it's horrible to know that this happened in other. it sheds light on what design is entity actually is it is this colonial power. so you can also lucas . it's a stain on the conscience of the west because words, no one can say in this day and age with a technology we have even though they,

they're switching on and off the, the internet and the phones and all that know on a conscious knowing person cannot say i didn't know you can't say that right now, anthony. a. well, i think if you're okay won't stop doing in our draws. but the is where the got booms, just like interviews that's very caught in thoughtful to bottom here. if i are that they were actually pretty psyched and capital cities, but i don't see a visual impose in the world, but uh, great. so being defeated in certain areas without destroying base, the value of the population. and of course it is a what we'll call and say target. so do we have this is or is that's actually happened. but if we go back and see how the situation will be published on the part of, so i need to, if we can scroll down, we're really to the 2 state solution, which i'll be in the u i by law for about because i think it's gone right, jobs, that's all we've got for sure. and show does it is right, let's take a 3. we have

a son has a go for the home for phase as we know. so how is it, how is it so if i say cartridge fund itself, because it has to have the rights itself that, that is the same as is right. oh, yeah. the husband always. i know the forces office in garza, that's how most who have gone. right. right. so the official forces. but if we want to, to create the feet shot, i think the government supervisor took off the gun and see the sights about a sign that we don't have to have such a lot incursions and praise how i say that is going to be how fan is now i think i love it is right, these citizens, if i know you're probably going to be secure or they're not going to support what some of the software is, a b, m, anthony. i think that, you know, that's with, you know, the october 7th will go down in history for many, many different reasons. but it is, it is the failure of design this project,

okay. it's supposed to be israel is supposed to be the haven for. are jews around the world? well, they're not so say they're not safe for an important affairs in here and they're not safe at home right now. design, this project is gone, bust is made the situation for jewish people throughout the world very on the site. and it's time for you right to his body is ravi calling regarding the i think is obvious. i don't really care about reduce whether it comes down say, i may say there is a step is between g dyess or who i'm sinus. i'll remember you all. usually the sign is i'm is a bastardization of the data and i want to give the palestinian on our panel the last minute you're going to in london. i think there's, as the product is declining and all these writers they have to us citizenship. a sort of there is understand that can be started by the time, basically towards your district that they don't have this sense of belonging to

them. but as soon as they're being bunk beds like, like for the past 25 years, and they did not move in and just for their houses that showed that the tool owners of them are. and i think i talking about these is raj is wrote, is not willing to exit. i person interstate settling drug sticks last in solutions and big ones to make it things that are seniors out. but i talked to somebody with a drawing some points to the person in the doors, were they control media like or so? i think there's a learners and i think that will well my, whether it this, why am i and i couldn't have anticipated a a positive and to a very tragic story that we're talking. but i'm glad we ended on that. the point i want to take my guess and break where things and, and in lender and what i think our viewers for watching us here at ortiz, the next time, remember, prospect was the,

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