of the, the afternoon or time seeing welcome back to going under ground rule go single, around the world from the middle east. israel and the usa was virtually isolated from the international community this week, as they oppose the un general assembly begging for rest bite in u. k. u as you and mass killing him, gaza thousands of children have now been killed by multi 1000000000 dollar weaponry . and the energy rich, gaza strip targeted for decades by nature nation weapons. so why would the, our world's most populous country egypt fully open, the rafa crossing to let families of guys are free, the slaughter and why in the are well,

it's not militarily intervene. is routine in other parts of the world in cairo is the arb leaks fullness extra. the general i'm and with that he is being the egypt to investigate, to the united nations. it's foreign minister and has run for its presidency and he joins me now. thank you so much. i was, um, just to start with that actually, i know there were reports that uh, the rafa crossing was open briefly for some a ridiculous numbers of the trucks as seen by the global south and the communities of, uh, the multi pola will not being israel. why do you think egypt doesn't just open up the border, allowing the people of gaza to escape the us and you bones even if obviously that allows israel to take over goes when it has been explained by age of general functions and by uh,

what do you think the comments made sure is that this is a and is right, the policy to m t b o go by. that is from it's for the day on by the see me and inhabitants. this is a plan. do uh uh, prevent the, the establishment of a policy or state by just ending taking out only about a seeing as or most of the kind of seeing as it'd be okay by better cuz be them in the west bank or in gaza. i don't think that the easiest would be possible except to be part of this uh uh, policy made any of that out of country. uh, however, from how many davian point of, you know, egypt has received and will continue to receive, but also need and how some of those are, what about other a but the, the, for us to begin the process, this is

a policy that they use. it should not as own of any other nation jeep with it. and this has been confirmed by at a processing fee. uh, when do you want just a quote from the addiction public opinion or soaking up the lot to the same position. and it was also supported by the advantage as regards jordan. but then are we talking about the fact that the age will be allowed in just to prolong the lives of people in garza before they are then all killed? to save them as much as we can because the sending in him is not only a uh, a step in the right direction, but above all by a wider policy to reach as these fire and the stones, they, uh, the, the, uh, uh, kind of been on my end of the civilian population and the strip. so is not the only

a getting came all the good thing out, receiving them in egypt. but also that is coupled with some political and the international their phones to do that, i think, which is a ceasefire. and as still being the, the, the collective punishment exercise the by is right. so this is part of the, a, a, a reaction, a one of us under the action of course, of the difficulties in implementing all that. but what i'm doing, whatever we can provide that we don't fall into that type of being adjust executors of uh is that like the policy of uh, ending people submitting cuz of having a lot of seniors to so you talk about the killing, you talk about a sci fi, why do you think it is that we saw by you didn't fly

into the middle lease, so not from britain schoultz from germany, or opposing a ceasefire. and then again at the united nations, we saw the united states saying that must not be a ceasefire. why do you think this thing when they say it's the policy of, uh, uh, something for the so called to is there anything out in this all on other parties and they're going to is i'll be happy to see me and, and the question. and regarding the so the fact that this is a case of many 3 o'clock patient, there's a really minimally occupation now supported by forces, but not anymore to play the honest role. good. i'm good not anymore. really contributes to the establishment of a uh, api, sleepy, same be in be in this region. however, i would say that the, the boss, the majority of the national opinion or even states,

expressed that abuse and the general assembly the day going forward a ceasefire. going in for the border take on the framework for a 40 because solution i'm calling for stopping the mess of that is taking place now and goes on. so what is it, what is it about this an issue for me? i mean, i don't want, we really talking not about the middle east or indeed the arrow both. are we talking about the united states? when we talk about gods? what would be the reason? what would be the reason the united states to isolate itself, amongst the busy that explains the question from the beginning, it is the but as it has been by then, i said this right to be mailed them, they should have created it. so this is clear. so i don't think to be maybe the subject of questions, and i said, this is the supple buyers read by the united states. all the is right. and this

a form is coupling with no ring. the butler standing outside of the story and ignoring the point of seeing a side means that is right now is enjoys the so called the, the important concept endorsed by diabetes. and that is to wherever it wouldn't be with no, i mean, unless, unless we own not only that was also that used and the solve a never that money or this is that enough is enough that we should not the old world should not continue ignoring the policy number question or mentioning the oldest, i say, the dangers of the continuation of these lady ministry or corporation of the architect at the cnn center. that is, i believe that the story is not. of course, the story is not yet a finished. i'm the you will receive the may be a lot of mobilization out on the woods. that'd be fine. as the main question is a question to be is not a properly address in a common point. the motion,

i know in accordance with that i some countries i know people to send them an issue . i believe the future of this vision would be better, but it would be in danger, seen as danger, and the very threatening to the stability and international peace and security. this is our job to do, uh then would be a, uh, an item summit and in saudi arabia. i hope that this somebody will come with the right decisions to formulate a um, a position to be on base to the home was about a certain things that we can never access, which is to cancel the plan, assuming and question altogether. this would not be joined by the arabs and all of them, including in particular as i believe the uh, b, b and also is subject to a different what the conditions with the is right. because what does that like is rice? and what is the right, is that the esteem in question should?

nope, it's only gonna be in gold. okay. but before we go on, who we talk about the enough is enough in the woods or what are you saying therefore that until i haven't heard of. yeah, so therefore before that summit but are using until then until the apple such we hear about because it is because nobody clear the systems and goes right. so apple named vision, i guess they and vision they're on basically the troops and nobody, even it'd be as lazy to groups managed to do and they wanted to do. it would not be the end of the story as they it'd be, it'd be public premium here. it is in the state of purely that cannot accept the what is going on be the issue is still the on the table has been hanging on and we are going to see a lot of negative developments. and perhaps supposedly the positive,

which i will talk to, to see is to be the outcome of the uh, upcoming out of summit, the end result, you know, in the russia. so what was happening to it's russian speaking citizens in the east, in ukraine. it went in to protect them. why is it the arab world who don't even need to militarily intervene, giving them because they can just switch off the energy to the countries arming israel? why can the that not have happened before all the atrocities we witnessed in recent days? when now we are facing a problem that has not been there before to be someone who told of the problem is that now there is right, is came out together with that allies ready? uh, monthly. but what we need is the no,

but i see how steep uh, the, the, the possible uh, evacuation. i'll be happy to see me in the citizens. uh, no ceasefire. um the, the, the, the, the, the, the must therefore be by these to be there. but why do we have to wait for the emergency? some is in re a. why do we have to wait or lose it? why wait for a summit? when it was repeated, this un security council, you know, seems like, wait, we have to. no, no, no, no, no, no, no. when the agent has opened already, the corner door received barely be, uh, wounded. and there is also need to be met, damage of channels, pickups, and the system is getting in the uh, the bed bed. i don't think the vision is going to use it. the oldest must be the the united mission genet assembly has expressed the majority of the international community that the sump bolt to the united something but his name. yes, i'm quoting for hold on. we are talking about, sorry,

form is i hate general. and as you know, israel doesn't care about that, they will yellow stars at the un security council, you know, position, they are doing that. but this isn't just the, you know, one of those, uh, things that the, that the most i'm, but unfortunately nothing good about, uh, such tactics. maybe the where the yellow or black or blue light will come and they went away. but they are doing bad wrong thing, and they have to know that things are not going to be over with them. that should be better, as they would have told the, the what we have seen, the ministers, you're going to go to a senior and have because so we have seen them in bathing. and this is making b, b, b, most injured and, and, and that'd be locks almost. and the churches we have seen with them

distributing good. um, do they need to be a folks in the uh, maybe uh, supplements and do it in gold or anything that would create major problems and that was the bank. that is why i ask you not to to go so, but it's only on guys that but just to follow up because going on in the west bank holding what is going on. and oh, if the own on be able to buy that is, this is much bigger than the situation it and goes to the situation and does that is so dangerous and i gave is only might acadia under human rights. i'm the nurse and i know own, but what is going on and it was, the banks will be honest as just daily the, the, the, the explanation of the international media is very serious on this going on also in the end of an m b. and that was to bring the, the whole point of seeing an issue is now back to before i was,

i'll stop you the more from the former egyptian foreign minister and everybody except the general. after this break, the the, the

israel says it's war aim is the destruction of come us. is that the ban, realistically possible, just destroying to must entail the destruction of the palestinian people in gaza. then there's the question of who we read gaza and after the war. so many questions without answers the welcome back to going underground. i'm still here with the former egyptian foreign minister and arbor, the executive general i most as we were just talking about, the ongoing violence that we would just to talk about the ongoing violence in the westbank that alone what we've seen of the atrocities in gaza isn't there a problem that your presidency is importing billions of dollars of military weapons

and equipment from uh, the usa and as in boarding energy from israel. is that why he can't do anything to militarily protect the civilians of palestine or no the can come out there? i mean military action and a soul of the united states is no point and i don't want the patient. i don't suggest that we've been debating to these a 2 of the very 3 eviction or a amended reactions from the time being. we have to talk about the political side of it and the situation, the managerial situation and does up and that it is situation. so then because in the west bank, the actual, in my opinion, now that is on the sofa of a stuff. there's a huge for reason, right, and money to them and many daily than defeat or be, but a senior person, as i know, which tried to punch in the kind of thing and questions to prevent any money from

talking about the corporation. so back bill corporation is back on the table. there's been a senior in question, is back as a priority on behalf agenda open international relations. this is amy says is i'm out she month. second me. they have seen that what they have done and be okay by the stadiums. i gave them all the cost them a heavy price because as this i could have done the commission has the admissions that has said that what happened in $7.00, on the 7th of october, they both came from nowhere, many of us expected. that's the and the, and the presentation, but the, i'll be by the seniors because on the extras because there's really placement to them because of basically the point is when just explode. that that's what happened on the 7th of october. therefore, any further action, we have another,

the action of the same i'm the is all but the made an east i'm the presentation. so going back to what is right and was doing it would be many different kind of research. i've tried that. a success only cannot see me, and of course however, i want to say it on off in this that we shall, savannah, the civilian population, that riggers of many, to organizations. this has to be either us, they do this right, is as they are doing, what do i do? we, of course put borman of their civilian will take basically any they've been established as the united states does not share your opinion there. where do you think, where do you think nato propaganda media gets? the idea that i'm us is somehow in the rain in proxy. i mean, assume the organization that i mean people may need to be reminded of them as supported american policy and syria for a while. it appeared. what?

yeah. why, where did they get? this information from that? i'm us is some kind of a, takes its orders from tell ron and what, why, why is that repeated everywhere and whether use or just do you suggested that the big as being said as a resource, it could be also and then to or expected or whatever but that's what did they say, i meant to see, or what will happen and the b, b, b amount of screens. and what, what is being said on the media be, ah, what is the, what, what is happening to the proceedings? make us load said and i believe that the own public opinion implemented he's, he's angry and the public opinion. this is not only out of the tax that any is due . well, i've actually been involved in the sleep and this one's i told me the house is available. there is angry. they've got enough to continue with that way. it cannot

continue with that's way. this is a message that i believe, everybody in the international community, including the united states, all the way to of or should be a little. it's increasingly the jewish community in the united states that are joining solidarity with the palestine. i don't know whether you came under assassination. i didn't, i don't know whether a you came under the threat of assassination when you were arabs extra. really, executive general. but i noticed the when the, you a call, the emergency security council session. that kind of shoulds name was invoked comparing guys a to how do you think if antonio gutierrez continues in the way that is he may be assassinated the way that repeatedly the united states killed that guy. although i hope i, i hope that god would protect uh dish and such policies of by size the nation would not be resolved to do because uh uh it could

be the magic. anyway. it is a different uh situation altogether. um. but having said that, the baby, i seen the muscle companies being repeated now in the, in does about we have an opportunity if we really sit together and see that the, the continuation of the state of school is uh, absolutely, uh. and when the need to be it could happen that could happen. and i called the other day um be pretty small and then is right in $70.00. so. so all of a peaceful solution though, so i did is the policy or the government. i go to joining the international community openly in calling on the government to stop such policies this that'd be better seniors and the policy opens for the meeting. the occupation

and of course, wasn't just time us on october. the 7th. it was other resistance movement. do you think and they must have expected some kind of response. do you think that they thought of targeting? israel is nuclear weapons program at the mona, or did they just expect to be killed in their uh, thousands in gaza, including civilians as a response to october 7th, when the usual of the nuclear weapons imposed on the issue. and that is why we in egypt and, and also the guys called before and we should continue with lenses. that'd be a, that nuclear issue. the issue should be open. not only people so many because of no been on the same hit on bus. be no clear a situation name is read,

you are right them pertaining to that. and i mean that's, that's any thoughts of the use of, uh, not only available some of the, even the existence and such as smaller area. i don't do more not using the same procedure. is it your understanding? they do have nuclear weapons because it goes israel neither confirmed nor denies. they have them factors. i come a knowledge and the technicians did, based on that issue. i don't find that we have talking seriously about this either as possibility, but perhaps as he does tech will our government's be able to control their own populations? and as you've talked about here, if they don't stop the alleged genocide continuing, i want you to know that even the governments, the states have insights uh, really frustrated and angry because of what happens. and that's why the,

but it is now a, a case of you know, maybe the amount of the people, the government and the government in that for example, when i got the present cc, i've refused to be possible the across span of people. they wait and then a fully supplemented by the public opinion in the 2 countries on the issue of the uh, guys that it was supposed to be a population to them. that is also one of the benefits that is on. so got the right . what's happened then, since the 2nd of october, this is learned and i'll be a positive bad results that you and that means you and amenities. and i'll position among the people and, and governments. nobody accepts the be the continuation of the, of the situation or the position that they can reserve easy, but his name,

he has visited the, the, the medical profession and visit me ignoring. but i thought about us in the as office, the bible stick a little, how easy will it be for the united states to recover any kind of reputation after its behavior in recent days. and i hope that that they would uh reconsider that position. i hope so. especially after all those demonstrations that have taken place in new york and other cities. and as many of the dues of america has sticking about like position that that'd be the mess of the car has to stop. and they want to see me. i was supposed to get their rights and also talk be so without this there will be no peace in the 7th of october. would know that you, but anything and that we may is right. it was. and it's friends or try to bring things back to people. what has been being part of the stuff on the web builder. i

tell you it will be a need for the 9th of to put things. when do you know good 2nd? unless we change our poster and this is the one you want to go forward in that space and all on a big powers and all the powers would realize that even is right. and to do what they want in is directly back in is dental and interest. that gives us just a minute to embed easily. and there is a new position that is in, you know, maybe the, i'm going to be out of public opinion of all, out of public opinion on that. i bet bonuses such as bullshit, which we have seen before, 7 to 2, but should not continue. i'm not sure whether you mean that you can envisage king of jordan. no president sees the meeting with joe biden before the next us election. but why do you think joe biden flew in to try and meet with these are of leaders? while he was sending these warships in to the eastern, mediterranean,

the biggest nato nation, ahmad, the summer thing in history all assembled there around the gaza strip. what's it for, as, as you know, that the meeting did not take place because of that, a meeting there between press and by then and the 3 out of the, those did not take place because of the position taken at that time. american position. so that is basically an action there is a position taken by out of congress. don't tutor elizabeth. that'd be out of control. can you see the us base is closing down into like a base and tacky? will that be shut down by the door? open and get different the issue you are open and get a different issue based on the big power, the presence of the week follow in the region. i'd be just not. this is not the only one. this is a big issue and i'm here to discuss it,

but we are talking about different assuming question in particular, what's up we'll have to have you on a game for that wider issue. thank you. thank you. and that's it for the show and condolences from the whole team here, we're going underground to those bereaved virus florida. there will be more guides on monday as you're with right now and is rarely a story. and then also of the ethnic cleansing of palestine progressing on topic until then keep a judge firewall as social media. if it's not sensitive, you will country and had to channel going underground tv on normal to come to watch new and old episodes of going underground. see him on the think to nation morse. i understand you to say this sunday. go over that which governs all stage to wilcox yet. we know who makes the rules for tommy and the

situation where we ought to be governed by some a most system with the rules. well, i know that's quite a difficult to have. i do not know what the rules the rules wasting to next to the the russian states. never as tight as i'm sort of the most sense community best most i'll send send up the in the 65. this isn't cable. 95 must be the one else calls question about this, even though we will then in the european union, the kremlin media mission, the state on the russia to day and split the ortiz full neck. even our video agency,

roughly all the band on youtube, the senior said this was the question. did you say steve? such as the hello and welcome to the brass stuff where all things are considered. i'm peter little bill is real, says it's war. aim is the destruction of from us is that.