the machine stayed on the rushes to day and split the r t support tech, even our video agency, roughly all the band on youtube tv services to the question, did you say to stephen twist, which is the hello and welcome to the brass stuff. were all things are considered i'm peter will . bill is real, says it's war. aim is the destruction of from us. is that even realistically

possible? does destroying him, us entail the destruction of the palestinian people in gaza. then there's the question of who will rule garza after the war. so many questions without answers the the press sucking palestine and joined by my guest lucas gauge and brake. he is a marine veteran officer and philosopher in worthy. we have anthony webb murphy as an independent political commentator. and in london we crossed to use a low. he is the palestinian journalist, writer, and political analysts from gaza or across socrates and the fact that means you can jump anytime you want. and i always appreciated. all right, let's go to us the use of in london. so we have in the last couple of new cycles, we've talked about the, the costs of this war in terms of casualties. and it's really kind of um, i, veronica, the casual and casualty are kind of similar in, in, in,

in spelling. but they're very, very opposite here. but there is a casual, talk about the casualties. these really said, told the americans, you know, there's going to be mass casualties and the americans, um, a appear to be in lock step with this, with american made weapons, the pentagon is already come out. and so it is, we will do it at once with the american made weapons at its purchase. so at the end of the day, the united states is very much comfortable with the military operation against gods . and we can forget about the people that are being persecuted in the west bank. go ahead and one to yes, thank you for having. let me start by saying that we can use we did not often get better senior. we just got lucky and as well, just device, it's coming to the office of an impression and draws out that this is the question for collateral damage we purchased in years. we are not people alice or got this wrong as couple of times the international system by relating to the western

values of democracy and base and so on. the west. by the way, we'll take the case to cover from these things that this one has been doing to the incoming for now what we know that disregarding most visuals, the key blade are justifying. that's a must exist under giovanni refugee campbell under tenants. but there's nothing justifies this mass killings unit, sorry, one of the world is watching um, obviously his role to go on with such degrees and without the approval blind support of the 19 states. because what happened in december the door explains israel's academic vision for the past 75 years, i think is ro is suffering from uninterrupted crisis across the globe. but um, uh, what's happening in gaza also it exposes the standard policy all the way back towards the over the way the united states,

the united kingdom. and those cultures are keep saying that israel has the right for so that the 1st of the things, what about the 1st thing is, i mean, well, have you been pushing in this ms. really weiner? and as soon as i do give this rate why we are being treated, the us why we are being doing right. is that because, but as soon as i'm know why? well the, it's interesting is that this land tray here is where it helps the right to self defense. ok, fine. but israel as occupying guns in the west bank. so it's a far more complicated legally. and then the cliches would make it out to be lucas if i can go to you just kind of an extension of what we heard from us if is that there is seems to be a suspension of international humanitarian law. i mean, in the rules based order and all of these other slogans that we here all the time. they're all, all of a sudden suspended for one country under one condition. and they have prophecy of

that is because blaring and it's getting far worse because these images are just critic. i think it's something you can't forget when you see it. go ahead. lucas. yeah. as you know, i've been to the rock twice. i was deployed there for one of these other wars that my country launched illegally into the rock and destroyed that nation. so i've seen death and destruction before. what i'm seeing coming down from guys is death and destruction like as if it's out of war and they're not at war. these railings are committing. what i would say is a genocide and several people are starting to use this word comfortably. because as you mentioned, peter, the pictures and videos of babies and children being pulled out are rubble. these are not combatants. the claim of loss is under a rebuilding, but i've never seen and how my soldier being pulled out of the rubble. we just see these people being massacred in genocide, ethnically cleanse, because that's the policy of desires, entity. they want to expand. they don't have this solid border for a reason. they want to keep go the going the oh, did you non plan do people you can look that up. they want this from the euphrates

to the, to the see allowed to see the entire thing that the palestinians say they want to be free. these rarely is want, the entire thing is the opposite. and they are more than happy to commit genocide in order to get that. whereas they say, well, if we put our weapons down, we will cease to exist. and no, you won't, you would go back to what it was before is real existing, which was completely fine. the arabs and the jews were living in peace. it's only been a problem ever since design is parasite as well. i called colony games into existence . so it's, it's terrific what we're seeing and it's allowed because design is captured, the west, the western media, the western politicians. we have lobbies like a pack which is trending on x the other day. these are the reasons why there's silence from the west because they have captured, bought off. and as the american people, the people knew k in the west in general, under their spell. well, hey anthony. and, but that, that's if we can talk about the global south,

and that's not selling it at all. i mean, we have a number of countries that started breaking diplomatic relations with israel, the jury, jordanians of recall, they're in bass that are and they said they will not go back until the conflict is over. i don't know how we define how this conflict comes to and then it's, it's very strange to me that you know for all the talk of, um, israel is military problem. this and all of this, which i think is more propaganda than anything else. if, if they really were that they would go in an awful for us with a landing, basically they won't because they, they can absorb the casualties. it's unacceptable to them. but it's acceptable if you can kill a child every single 10 minutes in gaza. the point, the point i'm trying to make here is it is real likes to flex its military muscles because it knows it has the west backend, particularly the united states. but it doesn't have a political objective to extricate themselves from this problem because this is going to be good to stay with them for a very long time. unfortunately, i think all horror of is going to be talking a number a number of times together before this conflict comes to an end. go ahead anthony.

well, yeah, so i agree with you such a let's see previous speak, cuz i'm sorry. some property in front of you, but if it wasn't for perfect preview, your site and the terry, i think is why the government or all thought i should say the car on to sign a government, which is a good fit to what i have taught me. and uh they stop say they're poor all over them off they've actually gone. 2 but if you look to say the position of the you carry are cool. so you kind of hot the mandates for palestine up until 1948. you think there would be a certain surface pump? sabelle, it said bother you tied to it and show pace between the preston, serious and most of the sudden palestine. but instead what we're doing is we're actually using power and shipping and it's previous minority company. so this trial to actually even work against the interests of these are the people because i

haven't talked there's are the people there on there might have some people behind them, but the reality is won't good is old risk in today for as variety relations with the rest of the walls or do they don't actually care because they go the way we certainly things be full. and if we look up the, how about the situation? because certainly have the elections back in 2006. our place still or the have 45 percent of the right. so um the account sort of all you your account take perfect to your household be so really in the population of calls. uh uh, because basically you called the site, the majority of people and also supports how about, sorry, uh well, i mean, but the anthony, let's go back to our guest and one in the mean. again, this is a convoluted argument to mean a joe biden,

in his infinite wisdom. and i say who that with a lot of sarcasm says you know, the people of, of a gaza don't support him off. well then why are you telling them why you will let them be killed? okay, if that's a, i mean, you see every single argument they make is convoluted upside down and inside out. go ahead. yeah, well, absolutely. when, when he said the right for something strange, but the international law, what kind of a traditional lo, when you just intentionally killed somebody? yeah. give justification, gospel british, and by the way, the religious order expelled back and 94 big from the indigenous as it is across the street by this time. as long as the patient or young people below the age of 20 . i. by the way, if there's all things that, how much do you think that are seniors as human shields? because israel that has been using practicing as a human shields for the positivity fine, he is with, you know, we did not deny the indigenous peoples, but i started garza and westbank interested in the,

from their basic rights and needs one chart, tricity medical supplies, fluid and also the waterfront, the, the black out inches. yes. i am. people come up with ideas even, you know is, oh, is extremely nation or, you know, going to unclick submission to go. people to kind of this guy is considered as a concentration guy, even because at present when you just have drugs, as the most corporate person present means that you committed the crime. but as soon as they know what the crime because they've been, you know, finding principal determinations are innocent, people being killed, they are night. and there is also have more defined folders. these are the result. is there a do, you know, keeps mixing more, it has no constitution and it keeps lying to the world. when it's really, you know, he can lead the ironing of iron is israel is a product of the united nations. you with the bar? yes, i mean, but, but you, you would think, since it's a creation of the united nations,

it would be incumbent upon israel to follow the resolutions of the security council, which they don't let me, let me go back to lucas because he, you know what? it's like to be in a about a on a battlefield. i'll, i'll say exactly what i think i'm going to make it pretty. but for anyone, i think they want to just clear the land and they don't care how they do it. as long as they get the backing of christians, zine is in a even tell a calls and you know, be all this apocalyptic nonsense. and this will feed into that. and they'll say, you know what, they'll say, lucas, we did it for piece. that's good. that, that's going to be their slogan. go ahead. looks exactly how many of have in yahoo, you know, using well tell music versus about. i'm a lack in the light in the darkness the appealing to this or religious. they similar to how george bush that it's after $911.00 and then it's a christian verse muslim war here. we have this jewish verse palestinian war and is going back to ancient, you know, text to justify his mass murder. and i've seen rabbis even say, hey, you know,

this is how it has to be conducted. men, women drilled, and everything's got to go. we have to raise guys a completely, we've been nice for too long. i heard a woman say we're, we're being nice. this one call that interview, i saw that interview. you crazy. you've been nice this. ok? she was talking to her son going in the battle. apparently i look, this is something he said he's like, we're going to change history. they're going all in this time after the i told her 7th incursion or wherever you want to, people want to call it, you know, how must finally strikes back and those rallies, feel what they've been doing for 75 years. and i'm not justifying either one doing anything, but this is they want to call it a war one here and, and then that happens to them. they start crying up all my go look what we we can condemn it, but we can certainly stand up horse and not whitewash it as well. gentlemen, i'm going to jump in here. we're going to go to a short break. and after that short break, we'll continue our discussion on gaza, stay with our tea, the

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the welcome back to prospect were all things are considered by computer? well, this is the home addition to remind you were discussing palestine. the the toys go back to anthony. it's the, again, i want to go back to the, the politics of is and the military because, you know, they, they, they, you know, we hear the rest of the rhetoric during, in the fall, the more, i think the defense minister going on saying, you know, we're washing our hands of the gods there. this will be the last time we do it. a very popular lifting the language and they're all probably secular jews too. i always find it very interesting. secular people using religious terminology, but it does kind of big. the question is what's next? okay. they get to bring in a file to, you know, a boss, you know, is he get

a ride into guys on the back of been his wally tag? i don't think he's going to be welcome there. oh, we'll get the egyptians to do a bit zip. since they're not going to do this, or maybe the saudis will send in and they're not going to do it. nobody wants to dirty their hands on this because it is at the very least ethnic cleansing it worse, it's genocide then who wants to be associated with that job. i'm listed up history . well, remember what you did here and now go ahead. anthony fall is closely about another tree above a tree off the coast of this row and draws that is all giving the impression that america is probably the on board i 5 the story the government does, this is fair but i hope you're well mean girls has gotten runs out permanently in the saw. no, i guess it's our price, so each it so suddenly calls and i don't. good is this thing, but it does bring some line. but the fact that the 3 christian churches are buttons

and garza and christians, to the christian leaders in palestine as a whole, have desperately pay all the western countries to cost on this floor. and as i said, number of christians have side who's actually standing out for the christian is in the middle. a speakers? the kind of usa policies are the last. yeah, yeah. last few years, just so that you said christie. it was in the middle east and it won't be beat to the sky box but, but, but it is quite possible for these christians and most of us live together as a direct cause of many hundreds of years of doing. what we have to do is to stop these strain, this paper, why? because governments induce, right? oh, uh st. mary's great by speak on behalf of who are jewish with ms. riley people because they just started. but the trouble is the by to the distribution. and then 58 ministration the you k is letting them do this is causing so much home. what is the,

i'm game or of course, because i thought that's the problem. they say the cost of the game is the reputation of the you k, on the us like discovery right down they'll, they'll take us far as i see because up is already in a bad situation because of the situation regarding ukraine, which of course not the size of the thing about now, but i'm also powerless about like you look at the uh, civilian casualties, the ukraine. i the, the a 2 year period. but apparently the figure that the $21.00 days. yeah, yes. i will. i will a indirectly answer your question, who's projecting questions in the middle east? christians live um, safely and widely in a ran and hole by the way, in syria as well. don't tell that to people because the western media likes the

cover of those sites. you said, let me go back to you. you know, people talk about home us all the time. they can have their opinion. most people in that badly informed in the west is, what is it to you because it's a terrorist organization. it's a, it's a social organizations, a political party. what is some in your mind? well, i, there has been trying to read it by homebuyers. i'm transformed from us into i'm going to start to attract the support of the internship community, especially going to the state. how much is the new depot? there are normal people like me and you decided to take up arms to resist the put on your list to every gene if you patient that israel has been enjoying with infinity for the positive in 5 years. because they know that the piece of process to bring into the occupation are also of course, a fine. the current either of us israel has killed jones for tuesday, solution even just the wash peacefully along the border, given the wonder things to withdraw. the startled different voters,

the things you won't be sure to even as always find you too much. basically, what was your to ship learners? but i think experience the date, the brand of listing on shop a line with color scheme. i mean visual, rubbing my centers and crimes. what didn't go ahead without infinity. we're down to blind support from the rest of the rest are just are much, is resisting the convention and visitors actually, they are willing to change their constitution and they didn't, they didn't, and they just didn't have a set of invest. the go to buy a lot with you, right? and 1967 i'm we know, but it is when you, i think so it isn't. the students are not going to the world. it is how much they will become more resisting, will become they will visually create more to go more history. i mean is, oh really isn't one space. it can have these right now. just don't look nice. pressing his rice to it said, i'm doing now. and you know, somebody could use our ultimate be turned back because of go around 770000000

person or if she just started all over the world and it has to come visit. but i still use the nations and still this the internet is going to show that there's that. and then this brings a revel. palestine wrapped with but a single for yeah. i'm in the ways because they care about is where i will be doing for i toxic is right. it is. uh they said that if you were the person, in fact the case, my point is the best crime. what kind of expression of you know, i mean, honestly, i mean, definitely sort of course the, the stuff with that and everything the going to use it. but at the same time i support not season ukraine. i mean, i'm just trying to find the most everywhere. yeah. but the west will always support extreme is groups because it was a great instability which they could always really wants to finish the started right, the 4 digit ones to finish the next. i need to cancel because i want to cancel this . give me an extension of the warranty. it's interesting, lucas, it is it. but recently, over the last few years, not always something that is frowned upon and is really discourse because you're

supposed, well, it never happened. and you know, they left in, you know, they left the keys in the door and as well, they just want to leave. but now they're using the term again. and you know, again i was, you know, we started out the 2nd part of the program talking about the future. but there is no possibility. design is and will not a confidence a to put 2 state solution exist and that, that it called to that world view. so what do we do? that's why we have this conundrum. you know, you know, it's going to be 01 a one state and it's good to be ethnically cleanse. when done. yeah. they're not done. yeah. lucas. yeah. i mean that's funny to bring it up. the knock where they say never happened. and you know, it's funny that the media always starts with everything was fine until a mass flow over the wall. and all kinds of people are similar to ukraine. washer all, everything was fine until putting invaded no, there's a whole lease. he just woke up in the morning and said, today's you great, so most americans, as you, as you mentioned, are most people the less,

don't understand or go know what's going on. because the media starts their timeline when they want to start it. and they forget the history of the knock, but which again, scientists, terrorist and militias, display 700000 palestinians from the home committed massacres across the land. and that's where all start, that's what israel's founded. so people don't even know the story and they say, well that's crazy never, i've never now they're saying bring on the 2nd not, but we're going to finish what we saw. busy did, and these really is, are pretty much hanging themselves with this narrative, which again, in one way it's horrible to know that this happened in other. it sheds light on what design is entity actually is it is this colonial power, the land also lucas. it's a stain on the conscience of the west because we're no one can say in this day and age with the technology we have, even though they, they're switching on and off the, the internet and the phones and all that know on a conscious knowing person cannot say i didn't know you can't say that right now, anthony. a. well, i think if you look he won't stop doing. it draws

a but the is right. you got them says psych interview. that's a very cartoon talk a little to bottom here if i or that they were, i'd say pretty so i can capital cities, but i punch here visual. impose in the world, but uh great. so being defeated in city areas without destroying the civilian population because it is a little crime say target. so do we have this is or is that's actually happened. but if we go back and see what the situation will be published on a post on the, if we can scan it down, we're really to the 2 state solution, which i'll be in the you, i have my last about because the pricing is gone right? jobs, that's all we've got so sure and show that it is sort of a stake through the process on how's it go for the home for phase as we know. so how is it, how is it supposed c carter fund itself because it has to have the right to solve

the problem is the same as is right? oh, yeah. the housing goal because i know the forces office in gauze. uh theres uh i'm asked who have core. right, right. uh, so the official policies. but if we don't say to create the feet shot, i think the, the government's at the bottom of the call to go and see the sights of palestine that we don't have to have such a lot incursions and praise how i say that is going to be how fan is now i think i love it is right. these citizens is finding none, but i think i'm to be secure. i'll find all kinds of support what some of the software is, a big m anthony. i think that, you know, that's what you know, the october 7th will go down in history for many, many different reasons. but it is, it is the failure of design this project, okay. it's supposed to be israel is supposed to be the haven for. are jews around the world? well, they're not so say they're not safe for an important affairs and here and they're not safe at home right now. design, this project is gone,

bust is made the situation for years. people around the world very on site and is tongue. pre radcliffe body is riley, call them. but then the, i think is obvious. i don't really care about rigidities whether it comes down say, i may say there is a step is between g dyersburg who as long as i remember you, all, usually the sign is i'm is a bastardization of 2 days and i want to give the palestinian on our panel, the last minute go ahead go in london. i think there's as the printer is declining and all is ready to have to us citizenship as to why there is understand that can be started by the time into the door. you're a discharge that they don't have this sense of belonging to them, but the students are being bunk beds like mine for the past 25 years. and they did not. what interest for their houses is shown that the 2 loaners of the printer and i think i don't get it on piece is mirage is road is not willing to accept

a person in the states mentioning directive question solution and it wants to make it cleans the person is out the line, but i talked to somebody with a drawing some points to the person in the doors with incredible media like or so i think there's a learners and i think that will will not cooperate this. why am i and i would like i couldn't have anticipated a a positive and to a very tragic story that we're talking. but i'm glad we ended on that. the point i want to take my guess and break where things in and in london really, i think our viewers for watching us here at ortiz the next time, remember prospect. because the take a fresh look around is a life kaleidoscopic, isn't just a shifted reality. distorted by power, a good vision with no real live indians. fixtures design to simplify. it

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the, the, everybody, i'm rick sanchez. i've been doing news for 30 years and 2 languages all over the world. here in the us, i've interviewed for president's work that for the u. s. has major television networks. i don't like what they do is he, isaac, new should be honest, and direct and impactful. and this is direct impact. the i want to start by talking about history. you say, history doesn't begin when we want it to. history begins when it begins ukraine, despite what my friends in the us corporate media.