the, the, [000:00:00;00] the afternoon or time seeing welcome back to going underground rule got single around the world from the middle east. israel and the usa was virtually isolated from the international community this week as they oppose the un general assembly begging for rest bite in u. k. u as you and mass killing him,

gaza thousands of children have now been killed by multi 1000000000 dollar weaponry and the energy rich, gaza strip targeted for decades by nature nation weapons. so why would the, our world's most populous country egypt fully open, the rafa crossing to the families of gaza, free the slaughter. and why can the are well not militarily intervene is routine in other parts of the world. in cairo is the arab league, school minutes extra. the general, i must say he is being the egypt to investigate with united nations. it's foreign minister and has run for its presidency and he joins me now. thank you so much. uh i was, uh um, let's just start with that actually. i know there were reports that, uh, the rafa crossing was open briefly for some aid. the ridiculous numbers of the trucks as seen by the global south and the communities of, uh, the multi polar will not being israel. why do you think egypt doesn't just open up the border,

allowing the people of gaza to escape the us and you bones even if obviously that allows israel to take over goes when it has been explained by a general fissions. i'm by uh, what do you think the comments made sure is that this is a and is lady policy to m t b o by to that is from it's for the day on by the see me and have it. and this is a plan. do uh uh, prevent the, the establishment of a policy or state by just emptying, taking out only about a senior as or most of the gotta see me as it'd be okay if i better just be them in the west bank and gaza. i don't think that the easiest would be possible to accept to be part of this uh, uh,

policy and any of that out of country. uh, however, from how many davian point of, you know, egypt has received and will continue to receive, but also need a house. but those are what about other a but the, the forcible, the price fair. this is a policy that they usually choose not as own of any other nation jeep with it. and this has been confirmed by at a f as easy. uh, when do you want just a quote from the addiction public opinion. also can the lot to the same uh position and it was also supported by the advantage as regards jordan. but then are we talking about the fact that the age will be allowed in just to prolong the lives of people in garza before they are then all killed to save them. but as much as we can, because the sending in in is not only a uh,

a step. i am diabetic sion but above all by a wider policy to reach as these fire and the still they uh the, the, uh, uh kind of in my mind um the civilian population and the strip. so its not the only they getting came. uh oh lord, good, good thing, out of receiving them in egypt. but also that is copied with some political and the international difference to do that, i think, which is a ceasefire. and as still being the, the, the collective punishment exercise the by is right. so this is part of the a, a, a reaction, a one of us under the action, of course, of the difficulties in implementing all that. but what i'm doing, whatever we can provide that we don't fall into that trap of being uh, just a scooters of uh, is it like the policy of uh,

ending people somebody is up having a lot of senior sit. so you talk about the killing, you talk about a sci fi. why do you think it is that we saw by you didn't fly into the middle lease, so not from britain sholtes from germany, or opposing a ceasefire. and then again at the united nations, we saw the united states saying that must not be a ceasefire. why do you think this thing when they say the policy of, uh uh, something for example to, is there anything out of this old on other policies under government is i'll be happy to see me in the question regarding the so the fact that this is a case of mandatory, okay, should is really medically occupation now supported by pauses, but not anymore to play the honest real good. i'm good not anymore. really

contributes to the establishment of a uh, api, sleepy, same be in the, in this at age. and however, i would say that the, the boss, the majority of the national opinion, or even a states express the views and the general assembly the day going forward is useful . i am going informed the board or take on the framework for a 40 because solution. i'm calling for stopping the master code that is taking place now. and guys are, so what is it, what is it about this an issue for me? i mean, i don't want, we really talking not about the middle east, or indeed the arrow bl health. but we don't care about the united states when we talk about gods. what would be the reason? what would be the reason the united states isolated self amongst the visions i'm gonna say is your question from the beginning it is be but as, but it's been by then i said there's writing remote them,

they should have created it. so this is clear. so i don't things contribute to me being the, the subject of questions. and i said, this is the supple buyers read by the united states. all the is right. and this a form is coupling with no ring. the butler standing outside of the story and ignoring the point of seeing a side means that is right now is, enjoys the some of the both and comes with interest. but i believe that this to wherever it wouldn't be with no, i mean, unless, unless we own not only that was also the east and the south and everybody. well, there is that enough is enough that we should not the home or the trip not continue ignoring the policy number question or mentioning the oldest. i say the dangers of the continuation of these lady ministry or corporation of the or could i see. and

that is, i believe that the story is not, of course the story is not yet a finished. i'm the you will receive. i mean, it'd be a lot of mobilization out on the woods. that'd be minus the main question is a question to be. it's not a properly address in a common point. the motion, i know in accordance with that i some countries i know people to send the commission. i believe the future of decision wouldn't be betty. but it would be in danger, seen as danger, and very threatening to the stability and international peace and security. this is our job to do, uh then would be a uh, an item summit and in saudi arabia. i hope that this somebody will come with the right decisions to formulate a um, a position to be on based with a home loan about a certain things that we can never access, which is to cancer, the pen, assuming and question altogether. this would not be joined by the arabs and all of

them, including in particular as i believe the b, b, b, adults, always sub just the different ones. the conditions with the is right. because what does ally is rice and what is the right is that the esteem in question should not be called okay, but before we go on, who we talk about the enough is enough in the words of what are you saying therefore that until i haven't heard of yeah, so therefore before that summit but are using until then until the apple such we and about because it is because nobody clear and there is also resistance and goes right. so apple named vision, i guess they and vision there on basically the troops. i never, even it'd be, as i used to groups managed to do and they wanted to do. it would not be the end of the story as they, it'd be, it'd be public premium here. it is in the state of purely that cannot accept

the what is going on be the issue is still the on the table is 10 the hanging on and we are going to see a lot of the negative developments and perhaps the positive. i'm going to be positive with job. well, that's where the seat is to be the outcome of the uh, upcoming out of stomach to india, you know, in russia. so what was happening to it's russian speaking citizens in the east and ukraine. it went in to protect them. why is it the arab world who don't even need to militarily intervene, giving them because they can just switch off the energy to the countries arming israel? why can the that not have happened before all the atrocities we witnessed in recent days? when now we are facing

a problem that has not been there before to be someone home to of the problem is that now there is right, is came out together with that allies ready uh bluntly. but what we need is the know, see how steep uh, the, the, the possible uh, evacuation. i'll be happy to see me in the citizens. uh, no ceasefire. um the, the, the, the, the, the, the most of the by the to be there. but why do we have to wait for the emergency? some is in re a. why do we have to wait or lose it? why wait for a summit? when it was repeated as to un security council? no single buying, wait, we have to. no, no, no, no, no, no, no. when the agent has opened already, the corner door received barely be, uh, wounded. and there is also need to be met, damage of channels. pickups. and the system is getting in the,

the that but i don't think the invasion is going easy. the oldest won't be the, and i did mention genet. assembly has expressed the majority of the international community that it was supposed to be utilized somebody but his name. yes. i'm calling for an order we are talking about, sorry, form is that hey general, and as you know, israel doesn't care about that. they will yellow stars at the un security council, you know, position, they are doing that. but this isn't just the, you know, one of those, uh, things that the, that the most i'm, but unfortunately nothing good about, uh, such tactics. maybe the where the yellow or black or blue light will come and they went away. but they are doing bad wrong thing, and they have to know bad things. i'm not going to be over with them. that should be better as they would have poked the, the what we have seen, the ministers here many. i think they got

a senior and i'm happy because so we have seen them in bathing and this is making b, b, b, most injured and, and, and that'd be locks almost. and the churches we have seen them distributing. good. um, do they need to be a funds in the uh, maybe uh, supplements and do it in gold or anything that would create major problems and that was the bank. that is why i ask you not to do it because it's only on guys that but just to follow up there's going on in the west bank holding what is going on. and oh, the own on be able to buy that is. this is much bigger than the situation it and goes to the situation and does that is so dangerous, and i gave you some only might acadia under human rights and they've got national.

no, i don't, but what is going on and there was some bank, she'll be also uh, it's a big b, b, b, b, it'd be attention of the international media that is very serious on the also in the end of an m b. and that what's going on with the whole thing? and the issue is now back to before i was, i'll stop you. the more from the former egyptian foreign minister, natalie executor general. after this break, the the,

[000:00:00;00] the think to nation yours. i understand you to say you to this or the go over that which governs on stage. the results here. you know, who makes the rules would tell me in the situation way we ought to be governed by some multis system with the rules. oh i know, guess what? it is difficult to say. i have, i do not know what the rules of the rules basting to next to get all the

the welcome back to going underground. i'm still here with the former egyptian foreign minister and i really executive general i most we would just talking about the ongoing violence that we would just uh to get my, the ongoing violence in the westbank that alone what we've seen of the atrocities in gaza isn't there a problem that your presidency is importing billions of dollars of military weapons and equipment from the usa and his and boarding energy from israel. is that why he can't do anything to militarily protect the civilians if alice time or no the can come out there any military action. and a soul in the united states is not blunt. and i don't know about egypt. i don't suggest that we've been bane to this a 2 of the very 3 eviction or a amended reactions on the time being we have to talk about the political side of it and the situation,

the managerial situation and does up and that it is situation. so then progress in the west bank, the initial, in my opinion. now that is on the sofa of a so that there's a for you to reason. right. and who am i stayed in him any day? the then defeat or be but a scene and so i'm pushing, as i know, which tried to punch in the kind of thing and questions to prevent any money from talking about the corporation. so back to bill corporation is back on the table. there's been a student in question is back as a priority on behalf of trend of international relations. this is, any sense is i'm not she month, 2nd me. they have seen that what they have done and be able to bite the stadiums. i give them all the cost them a heavy price because as the 2nd i have done on the commission has the admissions that has said about what happened in $7.00. on the 7th of october,

they both came from nowhere, many of us expected. that's the and the and the presentation, but the i'll be by the seniors because them is like the extras because there's really placement to them because of basically the point is when just expelled. that's what happened on the 7th of october. therefore, any further action, we can have another reaction on the same and that is all but the, me, denise, i'm the presentation. so going back to what is right and was doing and it will be many different kind of research. i've tried that. a success will be at the stadium of goals. however, i want to say it on openness that we shall, savannah, the civilian population, that riggers of many, to the open nations. this has to be i plus, they do this right, is as they are doing what the i believe of cause put bombing of their civilian will

take a for a community that's been established as the united states does not share your opinion there. where do you think, where do you think nato propaganda media gets? the idea that i'm us is somehow in the rain in proxy. i mean, assume the organization, but i mean, people may need to be reminded of them as supported american policy in syria for a while. it appeared what? yeah. why, where did they get? this information from that? i'm us is some kind of a, takes its orders from tara ron and what, why, why is that repeated everywhere and whether use or just do you suggested that the big as being said as a resource, it could be also invented or expected or whatever, but that's what did they say i meant to see, or what would happen and that would be the amount of print. and what done, what is being said on the media be ah, what is the, what,

what is happening to the proceedings? make us load said and i believe, but the whole public opinion implemented he's, he's angry and the public opinion implement the mattress is not on yada the tax. that money is due. well, i've actually been able to industry in this course. i told them in the house is enabled, there is angry, they've got enough to continue with that way. it cannot continue with that way. this is a message that i believe everybody in the international community, including the united states, other way to of or should be a little. it's increasingly jewish community in the united states that are joining solidarity with the palestine. i don't know whether you came under assassination. i didn't, i don't know whether you came under the threat of assassination when you were arabs . extra honorably exec the general. but i noticed the, when the, you a call, the emergency security council session, that kind of shoulds name was invoked comparing guys to how do you think if i'm

telling you a gutierrez continues in the way that is he may be assassinated. the way that repeatedly united states killed that guy, although i hope i, i hope that god would protect uh dish and such policies are of by size the nation with no being able to do because uh uh it could be a lot of interest. anyway. it is a different uh, situation altogether than having said that, the navy, i seen the muscle companies being repeated now in the, in cuz i bought the, we have, i, i know put trinity if we really uh, 6 together and see that the, the continuation of the state of school is uh, absolutely, uh, untenable the dbi it could happen that could happen. and i

called the other day um, be this moment then is the right itself. and also some of the peaceful solutions those hold against the policy or the government. i go to joining the international community ultimately in going on then government to stop such policies. and these are going to be by the seniors and the appoint a see opens for the meeting, the occupation and of course, wasn't just time us on october. the 7th. it was other resistance movement. do you think and they must have expected some kind of response. do you think that they thought of targeting? israel is nuclear weapons program at the mona, or did they just expect to be killed in their uh, thousands in gaza, including civilians as a response to october 7. when the usual of the nuclear

weapons is a very important issue. that is why we in egypt and, and also the out of the guys going before. and we should continue to insist that'd be a, that nuclear issue. there is an 80 no good issue to be open. not only people so many because of no good automotives and hit on bus b. nope. in a situation name is right. you are right under training for that. and i mean that protects any effects of the use of uh, not only available but the, even the existence and such as smaller area. i don't do more not using the same procedure. is it your understanding? they do have nuclear weapons because it goes israel neither confirms nor denies, they have them back to the common knowledge and the abuse has to be some that the issue. i don't find that we have talking seriously about

the serious possibility. but perhaps as he does, tech will arab governments be able to control their own populations. and as you've talked about here, if they don't stop the alleged genocide continuing, i want you to know that the, even the governments, the states have been sides really frustrated and angry because of what happens. and that's why a b, b is now a, a case of you know, they may be among the people, the government and the government. in that, for example, when can got the presidency ever chose to be possible the across the state of how people they wait and then a fully supplemented by the public opinion. and the 2 countries on the issue of the uh, guys that it was supposed to be

a population to them. that is also one of the benefits that is on. so what's the, what's happened? and i know since the 2nd of october, this is what i'm going to be a positive, a bad results that you and i mean you and an energy al position among the people and governments. nobody accepts the b, b, continuation of the of the situation or the position they can reserve easy, but his name, he has visited the, the, the medical profession and visit me ignoring the about a student because of a state by mistake a little how easy will it be for the united states to recover any kind of reputation after its behavior in recent days. i. i hope that that they would reconsider deposition. i hope so, especially after all those demonstrations that have taken place in new york and

other cities. and as many of the dues of america has sticking about like position that that'd be the most ethical or has to stop and see me. i was supposed to get their rights and also talk be so without this there will be no peace in the 7th of october. would not that cheap but anything and that we may is right away and is friends or try to bring things back to people. what has been being part of this, of the old builder i tell you know, be unable to do it. i may have to put things windows. oh, good 2nd. unless we change our poster and this is the one, including go folder, not space and all other big powers, and all the powers would realize that even is right there to do what they wanted is directly that games been on interest. i get into this community invasion and there is a new position. there isn't, you know, maybe the, i'm going to be out of public opinion of all, out of public opinion over a that's a bad policy such as this, which we have seen before. 7 to 2,

but she's not going to be, i'm not sure whether you mean that you can envisage king of jordan. no president sees the meeting with joe biden before the next us election. but why do you think joe biden flew in to try and meet with these arab leaders while he was sending these war ships into the eastern mediterranean, the biggest nato nation, ahmad, the summer, saying in history all assembled there around because of strep. what's it for? as, as you know, that the meeting did not take place because of that a meeting there between prison by then and the 3 out of the, those did not take place because of the position taken at that time. american position. so that is basically an action manage their position taken by

out of congress, then tutor elizabeth. that'd be out of control. can you see the us base is closing down into like a base in turkey? will that be shut down by the door open and get different the issue you are open and get different issue visual of a big power in the presence. so let me follow in the reason i'd be just not, this is not the only one. this is a big issue and i'm here to discuss it, but we are talking about different assuming question in particular i'm with up with i have to have you on a game for that wider issue. thank you. thank you. and that's it for the show. and condolences from the whole team here we're going underground to those bereaved virus florida. there will be more guides on monday as you're with the renowned is really his story and then also of the ethnic cleansing of palestine professing it on topic until then keep it josh bible, i social media. if it's not sensitive you'll country and had to add channel going underground tv on normal,

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the probably the most new and that'll be for them. imagery of assess florida doesn't want that extra them. but adults up under that the, the largest hospital in dallas is on the brink of completely running out of fuel with the local health ministry saying a catastrophe is a head propose a deadly really striking near the facility with benjamin netanyahu saying, no of like personal energy supplies will be allowed in these really refusing a temporary truce that doesn't include the release of all hostages. israel will not able be out from school into the protesters in