seen in the case of, of goodness done. for example, when the government changes in can these 10 the and medicaid did no one's a gift. 20000000000 adult list that belong to a really sense. and this has happened with other countries as well. so this something that the people should learn that need to keep money in american dollars . you're going to have problems getting back the money that they said the piece of america at the same time more because we don't have a more uh, fortune fees to invest in either steve blue color. these most gardens is a stable. we can invest seen gold, but this on the not from gold to keep. so we caught in, in this interested in with the one the so called save. uh, yeah,

savings wouldn't be in the form of for you dollar bonds. but as you know, the dollar has also depreciates it very much. i'm sorry, let's, if i'm out here and i'll see international, appreciate you sharing a sub today with us here in moscow. and that's we all ready and your next program to kick off of the top of the hour. one of us here at all to international and most go, we hope you're having a good week the everybody. i'm rick sanchez. i've been doing news for 30 years and 2 languages all over the world. here in the us, i've interviewed for president's work to for the us is major television networks. i don't like what they do is he, isaac, new, should be honest, and direct and impactful. and this is direct impact.

the want to start by talking about history. you see history doesn't begin when we want it to. history begins when it begins ukraine, despite what my friends in the u. s. corporate media report, for example, didn't become a story in just the last year. in fact, it probably happened closer to 20. 14 is a just because you don't cover a story. doesn't mean it didn't happen. and so it is with this latest conflagration between israel and home us now, don't get me wrong. there is no question that what her mazda did, and attacking israel and killing civilians, is on its face. a barbaric act. something for which there is no place in civilized society,

but that one at say those and follow the middle east conflict does not represent the totality of his railey palestinian relations and without understanding the past. or it's kind of impossible to truly assess or even criticize the here and now which is where we are here is palestinian ambassador to the united nations re um, i'm sure taking a shot at the media for that very thing whose duty for some media and politicians started twin, is there a these are killed a lot of people have endured one deadly after another. we came to the security council months of the month, warning of the consequences of was really impunity and international inaction.

now to be sure, israel is unimportant political ally for the united states for this country. it's also a country that both abundant advances in technology and science and business. very impressive. and if you're in is wally jewish citizen and you live there, you'll enjoy. busy the fruits of billions of dollars and usa given to a fully functioning democracy, which rivals that of any country in the world. however, if you're a palestinian living and gaza, or in the west bank, your life kind of sucks. the treatment of palestinians, according to human rights groups, is nothing short of awful. those human rights groups, right? as well as the united nations in reports that indicate the march of what israel does in gaza. and the west bank is illegal, their words, which is why they have been cited repeatedly for violating international law most

pointedly. because palestinians live is they say occupied citizens. that's the word they use, and some of you on reports, citizens are generally denied adequate access to water and food and fuel or even the freedom to travel. it is something, some is not most western reporters generally do not cover. it's not something you'll read in places like england or the united states media get ironically, when russia, during its incursion into ukraine, damage the flow of water and electricity in the key of western media headlines, waiting about it about how russia was denying those civilians essentials like their water, their food, their electricity, violating international law and how russia should be held to account for that. is it not fair then to ask the same question of israel. if the u. n is saying

they're doing that? you tell me mentally, scholars call it a mile big calculus one in which quote, israel is always the victim. but how did we get there? how do we get to this place? how does israel become so powerful in palestinian so weak? and how did the relationship become so this functional and so bane years comes down really? historically one word deception and one country the okay. the united kingdom see let me take it back after world war one. it was the british who essentially re drew the map of the middle east and did so by lying and cheating eric's it was the arabs of the region who actually helped beat back the ottoman empire. and for doing so,

the brits promised them as well as other countries that that land that includes distort. palestine would be given to them, but they be able to live there and work it. but instead, something else up after the war world war one, the british broker promised and announced the balfour declaration establishing in palestine a national home for the jewish people. problem. the area was 90 percent era, but the time nonetheless, beginning 1923 and lasting until about 1948. the british, facilitated a mass, jewish immigration into that area exacerbated and eventually joined on to by the united states. see about the right thing to do for the jewish people of europe who had suffered historically from anti semitism. there is no denying that culminating in the mass killings the tortures and the displacement at the hands of the nazis.

the palestinians were then led to ask this question, why us? why don't we have to give up our land? and soon afterward, they watched as their homes were confiscated by the british and turned over to jewish settlers. palestinians pushed back as best they could with strikes and caught some protests and peasant revolts. but the british wouldn't have it. they answered with curfews and mass arrest and demolition. and then they even said 30000 troops in by 1947, the jewish population of the area that was originally just 10 percent had ballooned to 33 percent. but still that jewish population on my own 6 percent of the land. so once again, in step the united nations with the resolution, it was a resolution $181.00 resolution $181.00. and what that resolution

181 called for was. busy as a partition of palestine into 2 states, one jewish and one or but the jews got the majority of the land as well as the most coastal and fertile land. and then things got even worse for palestinians that they call it lockbox or the catastrophe. more than 70 percent of historic palestine had changed. hands as towns and villages were destroyed to make room for new jewish settlers. finally, all palestinians were left with was the west bank and the gaza strip. today, many of the descendants of those palestinians who left are scattered throughout the country like lebanon, syria, jordan, egypt, many of them living and squalid conditions in those countries as well. and finally, december 1948, the you and passed the resolution. it was resolution 194 resolution

194. that's a big one. it declared the palestinian refugees had the right to return to their ancestral homeland. imagine the un saying this and that sold every thing, right? i mean that's the, that's the biggie, right? that's the quinta central call by the united nations right? wrong then work. see by then things have gotten so hostile, neither side accepted the plan. egypt took over the administration of the gaza strip. jordan took over the administration of the west bank by 1964 palestinians began to run their own affairs with the establishment of the p l. o and their political party for ty, pensions discount, worse and $67.00. 1967 more israel be back and coalition of arab armies and they did so in only 6 days called 6 day war. feeling both threatened and confident is real,

occupied the rest of historic palestine after that, including the gaza strip and the west bank and east jerusalem. and some of the things we see now happened as a result of that moment, really. and they brought in more jewish settlers who moved in most were foreigners . but they were immediately afford it all the rights and privileges of israeli citizens while palestinians argued that they were forced to live under military occupation. in the 19 eighties and the 90s out of palestinian anger was born. the intifada, the intifada, which an era means uprising and boy was it it brought about mass protest, riots, rock rolling strikes, regional boycotts. and it also led to the eventual formation of how boss i, yes, that's how we got to come us. this para military group responsible for the recent surprise attack on israel, the intifada years bloody as they were got the world's attention led to the oslo

accords. the establishment of the palestinian authority granted palestinian self rule in the west bank and gaza. but a 951995 is real. started building electric fences. concrete walls splitting separating the palestinian territories into 2 distinct regions where people could not interact. rhodes were billed for jewish settlers to pass through, but palestinians were not allowed to use those roads. and eventually the palestinians got even more angry. and they began fighting amongst themselves in a civil war between for pod and how boss that lasted several months. and in 2007 is real, imposed the land and air and naval blockade of the gaza strip, accusing a mazda of terrorism. sounds familiar since then. here's where y'all has lodged for, for track the military assaults on garza one and 2008. then in 2012

another in 2014, 2021. and now this, this what we're seeing there now that these pictures show and what is feared will become the most severe military assault of all. and by the time it's. busy set and done, it's the punish from us for it's most, according to israel. brazen attack to date. by the way, with all that history and all that said, i'd like to continue this conversation. you probably have some thoughts yourself about this history that we just discussed. you can do it with me on twitter. in fact, by handled there is rick sanchez, tv. so i'll join you on x or twitter or whatever. it's called and i'll be looking for you there. but when we come back, we're going to be joined by 2 experts on the middle east pensions,

and trust me there will be tension. this is a passion of debate. my guess have much to say, steve malls berg, and doctor norman finkelstein will respectfully, or at least as respectfully as possible. try to talk about this very passionate argument with their own perspectives. about this dire situation will be right back the the,

after the nazis bower in italy, states foreign policy became extremely aggressive. benito mussolini needed glorious victories. he decided to achieve his ambitions in africa. despite the fact that formally libya had become and daily and colony back in 1912. the vast territories of this country were not actually controlled by rome. the nazis decided to put an end to this. but as soon as the religious order of the senate side stood in their way, the arabs did not want to submit to for an hour and put up stairs, resistance, dividers against colonialism were led by the seats of this m a side order. omar l move star, who was nicknamed the lion of the desert for his incredible courage. despite the violent, bombardments and voice and gas usage, mass deportations,

and the imprisonment of the local population and concentration camps. the invaders could not cope with the arrow patriots for a decade. in 1931, omar l move star was captured and sentenced to hang at the trial. the hero of the libyan people behaved very bravely and rejected. pardon, pursuing a policy of genocide, italy was only able to temporarily suppress libya, 18th of the entire population, more than 100000 people fell victim to their. however, just a few years later, the entail you enroll, collapsed. in 1951, libya became one of the 1st countries in africa to gain independence the and to talk about this, we're joined now by doc for normal now finkelstein, who is an american political scientist, an active is an expert on the air,

is really conflict. we're also joined by tv and radio personality, syndicated columnist and political commentator who has worked with me in the past than you've seen us together sometimes agreeing and sometimes not agreeing steve balls burg. gentleman, i'd like to thank both of you for joining us. this is a, this is a heck of a thing that we're in right now, and one can't help but think. and i think we're making this point that it doesn't start with just what happened with him us. this has been taking place for some time now dr. finkelstein, i'd like for you to start us on this discussion of how and when this thing got out of hand to the point wherever it is now being talked about in terms of a prelude to a potential world war 3. what, what, what does the genesis of this in your eyes, without, i mean being to descriptive of everything that's happened over the last 100 years,

where this thing really get away from us since 2006 when the elections in the west bank and gaza, which almost won the selections were described by former us president jimmy carter, as quote, completely honest and fair. after the selections were held, is real. and then the united states and you european union slapped approval. mark, stayed on the other. no, i would like you listeners to the facts very closely overall, population consumers, 70 percent of the refugees been the sundance house of the church and nobody of your listeners here closely. nobody, with rarest exception is allowed to go into gouter or is allowed

to lead browser or coordinate because you not have terry organizations before. october 7, half of the population of guy so was described as suffered from cindy or showed in security. let me stop you, is the professor i'm going to, i'm going to stop you there because i think that gets to in many ways. but the genesis of the problem, and that is you do have a people who are isolated and is, you know, that you have people who have been fine in the, you're in a concentration camp for 20 years. so that is a strong word that, that, that is a strong word. so what, but what, what the, and quality the, kimberly be i'm and then to sort of see you all just from the university who

described god. so as quote, the largest concentration can ever, and i have no, and i hold on, i have read those quotes, i understand them. i understand from once that ceiling comes. i want a good steven here. so he has an opportunity to respond to the accusation. that essentially is real, is a pressing people and doing it on purpose and has been doing it for years and years now. how, how, what would be the response, steve, for, for that charge, which is not just being made by dr. finkelstein, we hear it all the time and the error world. and if you do, of course you do because the palestinians teach their kids to hate the jews to kill the june. that there is no way israel. and i'm not going back in history for that. i'm going to this year, european union passed

a resolution against the palestinian textbooks, which call for exactly what i said the us congress has taken that up this year as well. there's also in the palestinian authority, the moderates the good gods, but they pay for sleigh. and the us congress has taken that up, they reward the families of the terrorist animals who go into israel and slaughter innocent civilian but loved the same. i'm not due to that but, but funny to that you don't want to, you know? no, no, no, no, no, no, no, don't please reeled repressing. no, no, no. okay, no, no. what you're saying is the arabs and pals, city and pages. and that's not a show. no, no, no, no, no, i'm saying i'm the, i'm telling you why. okay. reason why they teach their children this. yeah. on television shows, in textbooks. what kind of civilization,

what other civilization does that, what other people do that? okay, world, for the most part, with the exception of the u. n. america at times is silent. well as actually if you were gonna ask me that question and i was going to answer at all what dr. finkelstein answer it. but what kind of country does that actually the united states when it comes to iran, russia, china, and that as well. but that's, that's another point that's not teaching children in school and on their sesame street. that's raising children to kill the jewel. okay. the media knew that shows that's a different story. okay, all right. i would argue it's not because essentially when you, every night on your newscasts, tell people that these countries are awful, that's all award start. and that's the reason the ridiculousness of a rock happened as well. as afghanistan, but dr finkelstein, i'd like for you to answer his legitimate charge that if your era or come from

a palestinian community or any of these and cabinets in places like jordan, you really are being told to hate jews. that sort of undeniable right. well, i'm not going to address that right now. let me address the substance of his court . his comment, okay. i asked you now if you were, hey, on in to a concentration camp and you have no help whatsoever. and seeing the light of the day except those 25 miles by far as miles, no hold of a job. no other full stomach. no how old are realizing any of your pills and dreams. and then the,

sorry that the side, the a few years as the expert reading from is rarely to points most, i'm know, i've seen that know every few years is real. and it's so the language talks about, quote, mowing the lawn in god. so your other ex, word seems to believe that they need textbooks to inside the page is released. i got news for you. so my 3rd floor of the concentration camps patterns did not need jewish textbooks to convince them to pay the germans. there was no light fires, really convinced the i'd like to i'd like to i'd like to pause for

a moment and ask a question because it doesn't seem like in this moment as apoplectic as we all are discussing this from all sides. um, i can't help but not to go back to the history of this. and let me ask you this question. call me naive. is the way it was possible to go back in history and, and do or redo the way things were shaped during the battle for agreement. where we decided that this land would be essentially given to a people who were by the way, some of the most impressed people in the history of the world. not just due to the anti semitism that's always existed in europe, but what happened during world war 2 because of the nazis. we all understand that these are people who deserve to have a place and some dignity,

but in the process of giving them that place and that dignity another people say they lost their place and their dignity. steve, it is the u. m. and the brits to do this again, should they have done it differently? should there been a more accepting way of giving jews their place and their dignity without making the people who were there feel like they lost theirs? is that a fair question? i don't think anything. what a matter the jews were attacked from the 2nd, the whole concept of israel was attacked from the 2nd it was discussed. and i think the history that really is relevant, more relevant with all due respect to you. rick. of course. yeah. is, is, does a, i mean, 1st of all, you know, all this gives the land back. how many times have we heard over the course of many, many, many years, gave the land back to the palestinians. well, when israel fort moore's and told the sinai and the gods, or they took it from egypt, when they took jerusalem and they took the west bank,

they took it from jordan. and when they talk of course, the golan heights, they took it from syria. so when they say give it back to the palestinians and they didn't have it, when is real, talk it in these wars. so i guess the, our countries stolen from the palestinians. that's number one. yeah. why does not one country in the entire arab world not want to help their brothers and take them and spread them out? you don't want them in egypt. you don't want them in jordan, you don't want them in syria. you don't want them. and sadie, right? what was a 1000000 come to the right of that old body wants to help them, but why this is a difficult and i'll tell you what, let's. let's pause for a moment for a moment. thank you. goes on shopping centers to make your point to make your point, but why we're going to come into your countries or united states warranty jews before to not see how the cost met. maybe the jews were like the

palestinians. they were so horrible. they were so vicious, they were so beasts, joe, or if the current is really government calls them human animals. maybe that's why not of the european countries and the united states didn't work. they're different . that's the reason this is not easy. this is not easy, but we're going to have the gentleman in television just tomorrow. when you have spoken smart. won't change the fact that the very argumentative you was going to use or the you were the how much you bought. and then you're, the gentleman in your argument was used for to justify the extermination of that use. no,

my argument why don't give it to that as well. and so horrible you're not see speaking uh in those parts of argument. the funny, this has become very contentious. we're going to take a break. i want to back out of our doctor. i want to thank dr norman didn't go to, i'm going about, as well as steve malls berg for this very passionate. and as you can see, very, very interesting discussion that we have at these times filled with lots of passion as we expect to. uh, thank you so much gentlemen. before we go, i want to remind you of our mission. really, it's the well try and the silo the world we've got to stop living in these boxes truths don't live in boxes. they live everywhere. i'm actually interest. i'll be looking for you again right here for i helped to provide a direct impact the,

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