as we believe in more, more lucky scene as this, but we find that democracy is good. so although it is a western consent, we take that democracy and we also accept cut the values such as t, when rise and the like. so we haven't done at vendor and the wisdom values, but in addition, we have also studied and appreciated as well as ad dumped the many east and valley. and you said that the west has a reputation of not giving back the money, lend to them or deposited with them, and also wondered why malaysia should keep so much money as reserves in us dollars . at the same time, we see today that many countries around the world are beginning to actively support the di dollarization of their economies. do you think this trend could lead to a sick and significant decline in the role of the us currency and why?

and how is the perception of the dollar been affected by unilateral us sanctions? and it's policy in the middle east. a loaner vehicle saves would be a saving through buying american dollar bonds in the fate, the lending money through america. with the whole the they cool done a little into this on the money. and when they need the money that the u. s. should give feedback to them, but we have seen in the case of, of getting this done. for example, when the government and jay, to see him getting this done. the america, it'd be no one to give $20000000.00. so that belong to a really sense and this has happened with other countries as well. so this something that the people should learn that need to keep money in american dollars . you're going to have problems getting the money. that is the best piece of

america. at the same time. of course, we don't have a more a fortune fees to invest in as the, the move kind of these most gardens is a stable region. you may have seen gold, but this on the 9th and gold the so we caught in, in this situation with the only so called a safe uh yeah, savings would be in the form of the bones. but as you know, the little hes also depreciates it very much the harbor buddy. i'm at sanchez. i've been doing news for 30 years and 2 languages all

over the world. here in the us, i've interviewed for president's work to for the us is major television networks. i don't like what they do. see, i think new should be honest and direct and impactful. and this is direct impact. the i want to start by talking about history. you say history doesn't begin when we want it to. history begins when it begins ukraine, despite what my friends in the us corporate media report, for example, didn't become a story in just. busy last year, in fact, it probably happened closer to 20. 14 is a just because you don't cover a story. doesn't mean it didn't happen. and so it is with this latest conflagration between israel and come off. now don't get me wrong. there is no

question that what her mazda did, and attacking israel and killing civilians, is on its face. a barbaric act. something for which there is no place in civilized society, but that one at say those and follow the middle east conflict does not represent the totality of these raylien palestinian relations. and without understanding the past. it's kind of impossible to truly assess or even criticize the here and now which is where we are here is palestinian ambassador to the united nations re um, i'm sure taking a shot at the media for that very thing whose duty for some media and politicians started twin is riley's article, a lot of people have endured one deadlier after another. we

came to the security council months of the month, warning over the consequences of as a helium community, an international match. now to be sure, israel is unimportant, g, a political ally for the united states for this country. it's also a country that both abundant advances in technology and science and business. very impressive. and if you're in, is wally jewish citizen and you live there, you'll enjoy the fruits of billions of dollars and usa given to a fully functioning democracy which rivals that of any country in the world. however, if you're a palestinian living in gaza or in the west bank, your life kind of sucks the treatment of palestinians according to human rights groups. it is nothing short of awful. those human rights groups, right?

as well as the united nations and reports that indicate the march of what israel does in gaza. and the west bank is illegal, their words, which is why they have been cited repeatedly for violating international law most pointedly. because palestinians live is they say occupied citizens. that's the word they use. and some of the you on reports, citizens who are generally denied adequate access to water and food and fuel or even the freedom to travel. it is something some, if not most western reporters generally do not cover. it's not something you'll read in places like england or the united states media get ironically, when russia, during its incursion into ukraine, damage the flow of water and electricity in the key of western media headlines, waiting about it about how russia was denying those civilians essentials like their

water, their food, their electricity, violating international law and how russia should be held to account for that. is it not fair then to ask the same question of israel. if the u. n is saying they're doing that? you tell me mentally, scholars call it a mile pick calculus one in which quote, israel is always the victim. but how did we get there? how do we get to this place? how does israel become so powerful and palestinian so weak? and how did the relationship become so dis, functional, and so bangs years comes down really? historically one word deception and one country the united kingdom to see, let me take it back after world war one. it was the british who essentially re drew

the map of the middle east and did so by lying and cheating arrows. it was the arabs of the region who actually helped beat back the ottoman empire. and for doing so, the brits promised them as well as other countries that that land that includes historic power stein would be given to them, but they be able to live there and work it. but instead, something else happens after the war world war one. the british broker promised and announced the balfour declaration establishing in palestine a national home for the jewish people. problem. the area was 90 percent era, but the time nonetheless, beginning 1923 and lasting until about 1948. the british, facilitated a mass, jewish immigration into that area exacerbated and eventually joined on to by the

united states. see about the right thing to do for the jewish people of europe who had suffered historically from anti semitism. there is no denying that culminating in the mass killings the tortures and the displacement at the hands of the nazis. the palestinians were then led to ask this question, why us? why don't we have to give up our lab? and soon afterward, they watched as their homes were confiscated by the british and turned over the jewish settlers. palestinians pushed back as best they could with strikes and caught some protests and peasant revolts. but the british wouldn't have it. they answered with curfews and mass arrest and demolition. and then they even said 30000 troops in by 1947, the jewish population of the area that was originally just 10 percent had ballooned to 33 percent. but still that jewish population on my own 6 percent of alam. so

once again, in step the united nations with a resolution, it was a resolution $181.00 resolution $181.00. and what that resolution 181 called for was a partition of palestine into 2 states, one jewish and one there. but the jews got the majority of the land as well as the most coastal and fertile land. and then things got even worse for palestinians. they call it knack box or the catastrophe. more than 70 percent of historic palestine had changed. hands as towns and villages were destroyed to make room for new jewish settlers. finally, all palestinians were left with was the west bank and the gaza strip. today, many of the descendants of those palestinians who left are scattered throughout countries like 11 on syria, jordan egypt,

many of them living and squalid conditions in those countries as well. and finally, december 1948, the you and passed a resolution. it was resolution 194 resolution 194. that's a big one. it declared the palestinian refugees had the right to return to their ancestral homeland. imagine the un saying this and that sold every thing, right? i mean that's the, that's the big the right. that's the point, a central call by the united nations right? wrong then work and see by then things have gotten so hostile neither side accepted the plan. egypt took over the administration of the gaza strip. jordan took over the administration of the west bank by 1964 palestinians began to run their own affairs with the establishment of the p l. o and their political party for ty, pensions discount, worse and in $67.00. 1967 more

israel be back and coalition of arab armies and they did so in only 6 days called 6 day war. feeling both threatened and confident israel occupied the rest of historic palestine after that, including the gaza strip and the west bank and east jerusalem. and some of the things we see now happened as a result of that moment, really. and they brought in more jewish settlers who moved in most were foreigners . but they were immediately afforded all the rights and privileges of israeli citizens while palestinians argued that they were forced to live under military occupation. in the 19 eighties and the 90s, out of palestinian anger was born. the intifada, the intifada, which an air of means uprising and boy was it as they brought about mass, protests, riots rocked, rolling strikes,

regional boycotts. and it also led to the eventual formation of hamas. ah, yes, that's how we got to come us. this para military group responsible for the recent surprise attack on israel. the intifada year's body is. busy we're got the world's attention led to the oslo accords, the establishment of the palestinian authority granted palestinian self rule in the west bank and gaza, but a $95.00. 1995 is real, started building electric fences. concrete walls splitting separating the palestinian territories into 2 distinct regions where people could not interact. roads were billed for jewish settlers to pass through, but palestinians were not allowed to use those roads. and eventually the palestinians got even more angry and they began fighting amongst themselves in a civil war between for pot and how boss that lasted several months. and in 2007 is real, imposed the land and air and naval blockade of the gaza strip accusing

a mazda of terrorism. sounds familiar since then. israel has lodged for, for track the military assaults on garza one and 2008. then in 2012 another in 20142021. and now this, this what we're seeing there now. but these pictures show and what is feared will become the most severe military assault of all. and by the time it's. busy all said and done. it's to punish them us for it's most, according to israel. brazen attack to date. by the way, with all that history and all that said, i'd like to continue this conversation. you probably have some thoughts yourself about this history that we just discussed. you can do it with me on twitter. in

fact, my handled there is rick sanchez, tv. so i'll join you on x or twitter or whatever it's called. and i'll be looking for you there. but when we come back, we're going to be joined by 2 experts on the middle east pensions, and trust me there will be tension. this is a passion of debate. my guess have much to say steve osborne and dr. norman finkelstein will respectfully, or at least as respectfully as possible, try to talk about this very passionate arguments with their own perspectives. about this dire situation will be right back the,

[000:00:00;00] the the, and to talk about this, we're joined now by doctor norman the finkelstein, who is an american political scientist. an active is an expert on the error is

really conflict. we're also joined by tv and radio personality, syndicated columnist and political commentator who's worked with me in the past and you've seen us together sometimes agreeing and sometimes not agreeing steve balls burg. gentleman, i'd like to thank both of you for joining us. this is a, this is a heck of a thing that we're in right now, and one can't help but think. and i think we're making this point that it doesn't start with just what happened with some us. this has been taking place for some time now dr. finkelstein, i'd like for you to start us on this discussion of how and when this thing got out of hand to the point wherever it is now being talked about in terms of a prelude to a potential world war 3. what, what, what does the genesis of this in your eyes, without, i mean being to descriptive of everything that's happened over the last 100 years,

where this thing really get away from us since 2006, one election in the west bank and gaza, which almost won the selections were described by former us president jimmy carter, as quote, completely honest and fair. after the selections were held, is real and the united states and you european union, slap the brutal mark, stayed on the other. no, i would like your listeners to hear the facts very closely. overall population consumers, 70 percent of the refugees and the sundance house, and the children know, got a lot of your listeners to your closely. nobody with the we don't, rarest exception is to go into gouter or is allowed colleen browser

or coordinators. you might have terry organizations before october 7 half of the population of guy so was described as suffered from cindy or showed in security. let me stop you, is the professor i'm going to, i'm going to stop you there because i think that gets to in many ways. but the genesis of the problem, and that is you do have a people who are isolated and is that you have people who have been fine in the you're in a concentration camp for 20 years. so that is a strong word that, that, that is a strong word. so what, but what, what the, and quality the, kimberly the m and then did so,

so you all just from the university who described god. so as quote, the largest concentration can ever and i have no, and i hold on, i have read those quotes, i understand them. i understand from ones that ceiling comes. i want a good stephen here. so he has an opportunity to respond to the accusation. that essentially is real, is a pressing people and doing it on purpose and has been doing it for years and years now. how, how, what would be the response, steve, for that charge, which is not just being made by dr finkelstein, we hear it all the time and the error world. and if you do, of course you do because the palestinians teach their kids to hate the jews to kill the june. that there is no way israel. and i'm not going back in history for that. i'm going to this year, european union passed a resolution against the palestinian textbooks,

which call for exactly what i said the us congress has taken that up this year as well. there's also in the palestinian authority, the moderates the good gods, so they pay for sleigh. and the us congress has taken that up, they reward the families of the terrorist animals who go into israel and slaughter innocent civilian. but let the dave i'm not you to that but, but funny to that you don't want to, you know? no, no, no, no, no, no, no, definitely is real repressing. no, no, no. okay. i don't know what you're saying is the arabs and pals sitting and teachers, and that's not a strong no, no, no, no, no. i'm saying, i'm the, i'm telling you why. okay. reason why they teach their children this. yeah. on television shows in textbooks. what kind of civilization,

what other civilization does that, what other people do that? okay, world for the most part with the exception of b, u. n. america at times is silent. well, as actually, if you were gonna ask me that question, and i was gonna answer at all, what doctor finkelstein answer it, but what kind of country does that actually the united states when it comes to a rom, russia, china, and that as well? but that's, that's another point that's not teaching children in school and on their sesame street. that's raising children to kill the jewel. okay. the media news shows that's a different story. ok, all right. i would argue it's not because essentially when you, every night on your newscasts, tell people that these countries are awful, that's all award start. and that's the reason the ridiculousness of a rock happened as well as afghanistan. but dr finkelstein, i'd like for you to answer his legitimate charge that if your era or come from

a palestinian community or any of these and cabinets in places like jordan, you really are being told to hate jews. that sort of undeniable right. well, i'm not going to address that right now. let me address the substance of his go, his comment. ok. i asked you now if you were in to a concentration camp and you have no help whatsoever. seeing the light of the day except those 25 miles by far as miles, no hold of a job. no. of a full stomach. no hold on. no realizing any of your homes and dreams. and then the, sorry that the, sorry,

the only few years as for all the expert reading from is rarely 20 points. most of no, actually, you know, every few years is or no. and it's say, the language talks about quote, mowing the lawn in god. so your oscar x word seems to believe that may need textbooks coincides the page is where least i got news for you, sir. march 3rd floor and the concentration jobs. understood not only the jewish textbooks to convince the germans that was the lives are really convinced the i'd like to i'd like to, i'd like to pause for a moment and ask

a question because it doesn't seem like in this moment as apoplectic as we all are discussing this from all sides, um, i can't help but not to go back to the history of this. and let me ask you this question. call me naive. is the way it was possible to go back in history and, and do or redo the way things were shaped during the balfour agreement. where we decided that this land would be essentially given to a people who were by the way, some of the most impressed people in the history of the world. not just due to the anti semitism that's always existed in europe, but what happened during world war 2 because of the nazis. we all understand that these are people who deserve to have a place and some dignity,

but in the process of giving them that place and that dignity another people say they lost their place and their dignity. steve, that is the u. m. and the brits to do this again, should they have done it differently? should there been a more accepting way of giving jews their place and their dignity without making the people who were there feel like they lost theirs? is that a fair question? i don't think anything. what a matter the jews were attacked from the 2nd, the whole concept of israel was attacked from the 2nd it was discussed. and i think the history that really is relevant, more relevant with all due respect to you, rick. of course. yeah, uh is, is, does. uh, i mean, 1st of all, you know, all this gives the land back. how many times have we heard over the course of many, many, many years, gave the land back to the palestinians. well, when israel fort moore's in top of the sinai, and the gods are they took it from egypt when they took jerusalem and they took the west bank, they took it from jordan. and when they talked, of course,

the golan heights, they took it from syria. so when they said give it back to the palestinians and they didn't have it, when is real, talk it in these wars. so i guess the, our countries stolen from the palestinians. that's number one. yeah. why does not one country in the entire arab world not want to help their brothers and take them and spread them out? you don't want them in egypt. you don't want them in jordan, you don't want them in syria. you don't want them. and sadie wright, what was a 1000000 tons, the right of that old body wants to help them. but why this is a difficult question. i'll tell you what, let's, let's pause for a moment for a moment. thank you. and should be sent to to make your point to make your point, but why we're going to the countries or the united states. warranty choose before

to not see how the cost may may be the jews were like the palestinians. they were so horrible. there were so vicious they were so beast show or if the current is here, government calls them human animals. maybe that's why not of the european countries and the united states didn't want their different. that's the reason. this is not easy. this is not easy, but we're going to have the gentleman in the us tomorrow. labor have stupid, smart. won't change the fact that the very argumentative you was going to use or yeah, the you were use the how much you buy it and then use the gentleman in your argument was used by hitler to charge the bar to the extermination of that. you know,

that's my argument. i don't see that as the herbal and so horrible your nazi speaking uh in those parts of argument. the funny this has become very contentious. we're going to take a break. i want to back out of our doctor. i want to thank dr. norma and then go to i'm going about as well as steve malls berg for this very passionate. and as you can see, very, a very interesting discussion that we have at these times filled with lots of passion as we expected. so thank you so much gentlemen. before we go, i want to remind you of our mission. really, it's the well try and the silo the world. we've got to stop living and these boxes truths don't live in boxes. they live everywhere. i'm actually interest. i'll be looking for you again right here, but i hope to provide

a direct impact the the largest possibility and god is said to be on the bring cook good test. so be with feel supplies close to running out as a spill. and it says crucial energy supplies will be allowed into the territory, which is really, is refusing a temporary truce that doesn't include the release of all hostages. israel will not able beyond from fuel into guys as part of the process is in terms of the, the mom,