to go into a situation where we ought to be governed by some office system with the rules and the desk. but it's difficult to have. i do not know what the rules of the rules basting to actually to go the the i'm action or time said welcome back to going underground rule guy single, around the world from the middle east. israel and the usa was virtually isolated from the international community. this week, as they oppose the un general assembly begging for rest bites in u. k. u, as you and mass killing in gaza. thousands of children have now been killed by

multi $1000000000.00 weaponry and the energy rich cause of strip targeted for decades by nature a nation weapons. so why would the, our world's most populous country egypt fully open? the rafa crossing to the families of guys are free the slaughter and why can the are well not militarily intervene is routine and other parts of the world in cairo is the arb leaks fullness extra. the general lumber was his being, the egypt invested with united nations, its foreign minister, and has run for its presidency and he joins me now. thank you so much. uh i was, uh um, let's just start with that. actually. i know there were reports that, uh, the rafa crossing was open briefly for some aid. the ridiculous numbers of the trucks as seen by the global south and the communities of, uh, the multi polar will not being israel. why do you think egypt doesn't just open up

the border, allowing the people of gaza to escape the us and you bones even if obviously that allows israel to take over goes when it has been explained by a general fissions. i'm by uh, what do you think the comments made sure is that this is a and is right, the policy to m t be okay if i did, if it is from, it's for the day on by the see me and inhabitants. this is a plan. do uh uh, prevent the establishment of a policy or state by just emptying. they can go, it's only about a seeing as or most of the gotta see me as it'd be okay by better cuz be them in the west bank or in does that. i don't think that the easiest would be possible, except to be part of this uh, uh, policy. i know that out of country,

however, from how many data and point of you know, egypt has received and will continue to receive, but also need and how some of those are, what about other a but the, the forcible, the for us fan. this is a policy that the egypt should not as own of any other nation jeep with it. and this has been confirmed by the processing fee. uh, when do you on just a quote from the addiction public opinion. also looking up the lot to the same position and it was also supported by the uh, giovanni as regards jordan. but then are we talking about the fact that the age will be allowed in just to prolong the lives of people in gaza before they are then all killed to send them as much as we can because the sending him is not only a uh, a step in the right direction, but above all,

by a wider policy to reach as these fire and the stones they uh the, the, uh, uh, kind of been more my, um the civilian population. and the strip. so is not the only they getting paid. uh, old, wounded, getting out of receiving them in egypt. but also that is coupled with some political and the international difference. to do that, i think, which is a ceasefire, and as stopping be the collective punishment exercise the by is right. so this is part of the a, a, a reaction, a wireless under the action, of course, of the difficulties implementing all that. but what i'm doing, whatever we can provide that we don't fall into that type of being uh, just a scooters of uh, is it like the policy of uh,

ending because somebody is of having a bad thing. is that so you talk about the killing, you talk about a ceasefire. why do you think it is that we saw by you didn't fly into the middle lease, so not from britain sholtes from germany all opposing a cease fire. and then again to the united nations. we saw the united states saying that must not be a ceasefire. why do you think they're saying what they say is the policy of uh, uh, something for the cellphone to. is there any they're not in this old on other policies and they're going to is i'll be happy to see me. and the question regarding the so the fact that this is a case of military, okay, patient, it is really medically occupation now supported by forces that cannot any more play the honest role. good, i'm good,

not anymore really contributes to the establishment of a, uh, api, sleepy, same be in be in this region. however, i would say that the, the boss, the majority of the national opinion or even states express the views and the general assembly the day going forward a few. so i am going informed the board to take on the framework for a 40 because solution i'm calling for stopping the mess of good. that is taking place now and goes on. so what is it, what is it about this? an issue for me? i mean, i don't want, we really talking not about the middle east, or indeed the arrow boiled. are we talking about the united states? when we talk about gods? what would be the reason? what would be the reason the united states to isolate itself amongst the vision that explains the question? from the beginning, it is be, uh, but as what i've done by then i said,

there's right to be mailed them. they should have created it. so this is clear, so i don't think i'm to be the, the, the subject of questions. and i said this is the supple buyers read by the united states. all the is right. and this a form is coupling with no ring the palestinian side of the story. and ignoring the point of seeing a side means that is right now is enjoys to be some of the both and comes with interest. but i believe that this to wherever it wouldn't be with no, i mean, unless, unless we own not only that was also the east and the south and everybody. well, there is that enough is enough that we should not the old one should not continue ignoring the policy number question or mentioning the oldest i say the dangers of the continuation of these writing ministry or corporation of the or could i see

identical is i believe that the story is not, of course the story is not yet a finished. i'm the you will receive the be a lot of mobilization. i don't the woods. that'd be fine. as the main question is a question to be. it's not a properly address in the notion, i know in accordance with that i some countries i know people to send the commission. i believe the future of decision wouldn't be ready, but it would be in danger, seen as danger, and very threatening to the stability and international peace and security. this is our job to do uh then would be a uh, an item summit. and inside of that area, i hope that this summit we come with the right decisions to formulate a um, a position to be on base to the home was about a certain things that we can never access, which is to cancel the print, assuming and question on the letter this would not be joined by the arabs and all

of them, including in particular as i believe the that'd be the source of this, the minimum of the conditions with the is right. because what does ally is rice and what is the right is that the esteem in question should not be called okay, but before we go on, who we talk about the enough is enough in the words of what are you saying therefore that until i haven't heard of yeah, before before that summit, but are you using until then until the apple such we and about because it is, it is no better clear that will come through systems and goes right. so apple, the invasion, i guess the invasion there on basically the troops. i never, even it'd be as lazy to groups managed to do and they wanted to do. it would not be the end of the story as they it'd be, it'd be public opinion of it is in the state of purely that cannot accept

the what is going on be the issue is still the on the table has been hanging on and we are going to see a lot of the negative developments and perhaps supposedly the positive with job. well, that's where the seat is to be the outcome of the uh, upcoming summit, the end result, you know, in the russia. so what was happening to it's russian speaking citizens in the east and ukraine, it went in to protect them. why is it the arab world who don't even need to militarily intervene, giving them because they can just switch off the energy to the countries arming israel. why can that not have happened before all the atrocities we witnessed in recent days? when now we are facing

a problem that has not been there before to be something hold of. the problem is that now there is right, is came out together with that allies ready uh bluntly. but what we need is the know see how steep uh the and the, the possible evacuation. i'll be happy to see me and the citizens know ceasefire. um the, the, the, the, the, the, the muscle curve of the by the to be there. but why do we have to wait for the emergency? some is in re a why do we have to wait or lose it? why wait for a summit? when it was repeated as to un security council, you know, seized by weight, we have to no, no, no, no, no, no, no. we in egypt has opened already the quarter to receive the, the, be, uh, wounded. and that also need the treatment damage of channels. pickups, and the system is getting in the be that,

but i don't think the invasion is going to use it. the oldest won't be the and then you're not. the admission genet assembly has expressed the will, the majority of the international community that the some, both to the right. so, but his name is i'm calling for an order we are talking about, sorry, form is, i hate general. and as you know, israel doesn't care about that, they will yellow stars at the un security council, you know, position the dad doing that. but this isn't just the, you know, one of those uh, things that the, that the most, i'm unfortunately laughing good about the such tactics. maybe the where the yellow or black or blue light will come and they went away. but they are doing bad wrong thing. and they have to know bad things. i'm not going to be or was in bed for me. but as they would have told the, the what we have seen, the ministers, you're going to be

a senior and i'm having cuz so we have seen them in bathing. and this is making b, b, b, most injured and, and, and that'd be locks almost. and the choices we have seeing them distributing. good. um do they need to be a funds in the uh, maybe uh, supplements and do it in gold or anything that would create major problems and that was the bank. that is why i ask you not to do it because i put it on the on guys that but just to follow up because going on in the west bank holding what is going on and oh, the own on the on provide categories. this is much bigger than the situation it and goes to the situation and does that is so dangerous, and i gave is only might acadia under human rights, and they've got national. no, i don't, but what is going on and it was,

the banks will be honest. i says daily the, the, the, the attention of the notion of media is very serious on the also in the, in the n m b. and that was to buy the, the old, but i've seen initial as know back to before i was, i'll stop you the more from the former egyptian foreign minister and everybody except to the general after this break, the study of yours is the no reason to bring the soldier monument was erected in 1947 in the estonian capital by the associates authorities originally built about a burial site of troops, remains its memorials of the soldiers who gave their lives in world war 2 will say, that's good, but i need to go to the department service give waiting for the privilege of

transition. in 2007, the stony and government decided to relocate the monument from the city center for one year on the front of me to attend. the sooner frustrated to move divided, the population is stony. as large a russian speaking community strongly opposed to an intense rising pro, gallons and tell in these have since become known as the bronze knight drives, the username, which is just the welcome back to going underground. i'm still here with the former egyptian foreign minister and arbor, the executor general. i must we would just talking about the ongoing violence. uh we would just uh, talking about the ongoing violence in the westbank,

let alone what we've seen of the atrocities in gaza. isn't there a problem that your presidency is importing billions of dollars of military weapons and equipment from uh, the usa and is importing energy from israel? is that why he can't do anything to militarily protect the civilians of palestine or no the can come out there any military action. and a soul in the united states is not blunt. and i don't know, but i don't suggest that we've been debating to these a 2 of the 3 that mention our amended reactions. on the time being, we have to talk about the political side of it and the situation, the managerial situation and does up and that it is situation. so then because in the west bank, the initial, in my opinion, now that is on the sofa of a so that there's a huge for his right to

a money paid in many daily than defeat or be, but a senior. and so unfortunately, as i know, which tried to punch in the kind of thing and questions to prevent any money from talking about the corporation. so back bill corporation is back on the day, but there's been a senior in question, is back as a priority on behalf agenda open international relations. this is any sense is i'm at she month. second me. they have seen that what they have done and be able to bypass the stadiums. i give them all the cost them a heavy price because as the 2nd i have generally not diminished and has the admissions that has said about what happened in 7. on the 7th of october, they both came from nowhere menu of us expected. that's that i'm there and the presentation, but i'll be by the seniors because on those really extras because there's really

placement to them because on best way, the point is when just explode. that that's what happened on the 7th of october. therefore, any further action we can have another that they actually own the same and that is all but the me, denise, i'm the presentation. so going back to what is right and was doing it wouldn't be very difficult because i've tried that. a success only cannot see me and ad goals. however, i want to say it on openness that we shall, savannah, the civilian population, that riggers of many, to the open ations. this has to be either us. they do this right, is as they are doing what the i believe of cause put bowman of they civilian will take basically any of that to be an established as the united states does not share your opinion there. where do you think, where do you think nato propaganda media gets?

the idea that i'm us is somehow in the rain in proxy. i mean, assuming the organization, the, i mean people may need to be reminded of them as supported american policy in syria for a while it appeared. what? yeah. why, where did they get this information from that? i'm us is some kind of a, takes its orders from tara ron and what, why, why is that repeated everywhere and whether use or just do you suggested that the big as being said as a resource, it could be also invented or expected or whatever, but that's what did they say i meant to see, or what would happen and that would be the amount of sprint. and what done, what is being said on the media be ah, what is the, what's, what's happening to the proceedings? make us load said and i believe that the whole public opinion implemented he's, he's angry and the public opinion even exist. there's no,

don't you out of the tax stuff that is due? well, i've actually been able to investigate in this course. i told him in the house is enabled, there is angry, they've got enough to continue with that way. it cannot continue with that way. this is a message that i believe everybody in the national community, including the united states, all the way to of or should be a little. it's increasingly the jewish community in the united states that are joining solidarity with the palestine. i don't know whether you came under assassination. i didn't, i don't know whether you came under the threat of assassination when you were arabs . extra honorably exec to general. but i noticed the when the, you a call, the emergency security council session, that kind of shoulds name was invoked comparing guys to how do you think if antonio gutierrez continues in the way that is, he may be assassinated. the way that repeatedly the united states killed that guy,

although i hope i, i hope that god would protect the dish and such policies of by size the nation would not be resolved to do because uh uh, it could be a local agent any way. it is a different situation altogether, but having said that, to be there, you have seen the muscle companies being repeated now in the, in does about we have the opportunity if we really sit together and see that the, the continuation of the state of school is uh, absolutely, uh and then the dbi it could happen that could happen. and i called the other day i'm be pretty small and then is that right itself and also supported by peaceful solutions. those hold against the policy or the government. i go long,

been to joining the international community openly and calling on the government to stop such policies. this i'd be better still use and the policy openings for the meeting, the occupation. it of course, wasn't just time us on october, the 7th. it was other resistance movements. do you think and they must have expected some kind of response. do you think that they thought of targeting? israel is nuclear weapons program at the mona, or did they just expect to be killed in their uh, thousands in gaza, including civilians as a response to october 7th, when the usual of the nuclear weapons is a very important issue. that is why we in egypt and, and also the out of the guys going before and we should continue with lenses.

that'd be a, that nuclear issue. the issue should be open. not only people so many because of no been on the same hit on bus b. nope. in a situation name is right. you are right under training for that. and i mean that protects any parts of the use of uh, not only available but the, even the existence and such as smaller area. i don't do more not using the same procedure. is it your understanding? they do have nuclear weapons because it goes the israel. neither confirms nor denies, they have them factors that come a knowledge and the abuse has to be some that the issue. i don't find that we have talking seriously about the serious possibility. but perhaps, as he does, tech will arab governments be able to control their own populations. and as you've talked about here, if they don't stop,

we allege genocide continuing. i want you to know that the, even the governments, the states have been sides really frustrated and angry because of what happens. and that's why a b, b is now a, a case um you know, maybe among the people the govern government in that, for example, when i got the presidency, i've refused to be possible the across state of how people they wait and then a fully supported by the public opinion into 2 countries on the issue of the uh, guys that it was supposed to be a population to them. that is also one of the benefits that is on. so what's the, what's happened? and i know since the seminar october, this is what i'm going to be a positive, a bad results that you and i mean unit name and keep al position among

the people and, and governments. nobody accepts the b, b, continuation of the of the situation or the position they can reserve either. but a senior has visited the, the, the medical profession and visit me ignoring the about a student because of a state by mistake, a little how easy will it be for the united states to recover any kind of reputation after its behavior in recent days? i hope that that they would reconsider deposition. i hope so, especially after all those demonstrations that have taken place in new york and other cities. and as many of the dues of america sticking by like position that that'd be the most ethical or has to stop. i'm assuming as most of the rights and all of the top piece without this the whole piece in the 7th of october, with most i cheap, but anything under that we,

they is right away. and it's friends or glad to bring things back to people. what has been being part of the stuff on the web builder. i think you know, the on the 9th of, of, to put things with no good 2nd. unless we change our poster and this is the one you want to go further in that space and all on a big powers and all the powers would realize that even is right. and to do what they wanted is directly that games, dental and interest that gives us disability, embodies and, and there is a new position. there isn't, you know, maybe the, i'm going to be out of public opinion of all, out of public opinion over a, that's a bad policy such as this, which we have seen before. 7 to 2, but she's not going to be, i'm not sure whether you mean that you can envisage king of jordan. no president sees the meeting with joe biden before the next us election. but

why do you think joe biden flew in to try and meet with these arab leaders while he was sending these war ships into the east and the mediterranean, the biggest nato nation, ahmad, the summer, saying in history all assembled there around because of strep. what's it for as, as you know, big meeting with the police because of the, a meeting there between prison by then and the 3 out of the, those did not take place because of the position taken at that time. american position. so that is that actually manage their position taken by out of congress. don't you realize that that'd be out of control. can you see the us base is closing down into like a base and tacky? will that be shut down by the door open and get different the issue you are open

and get different. an issue visual over the big board, the presence the fall in the reason i'd be just not be say is not the only one man . obviously a big issue and i'm going to discuss it, but we are talking about different assuming question in particular i'm with uh when i have to have you on a game for that wider issue. thank you. thank you. and that's it for the show and condolences from the whole team here, we're going underground to those bereaved virus florida. there will be more guides on monday as you're with right now and is rarely a story. and then also of the ethnic cleansing of palestine progressing on topic until then keep it does fire. well i social media, if it's not sensitive, knew what country and had to channel going underground tv on the come to us new and old episodes of going underground. see him on the

lease of the russian states. never as tight as i'm one of the most sense community . most all sense i'm at the, in the system must be the one else holes. question about this, even though we will then in the european union, the kremlin media mission, the state on rochester thing and supports the r t spoke neck. even our video agency, roughly all the band on youtube, the senior services for the question, did you see a request for check? the

blog as possible in gauze is said to be on the brink of good fast stuff. they will still suffice. close to running out. but it is well sentenced is truthful and please advise would clear loud into the territory. he's really refusing a temporary truce that doesn't include the release of all hostages. israel will not able beyond from fuel into guys. this was a critical lack of the biggest hospital in the continues to be overwhelmed by the incoming in good including babies. and so the 1st the says gather, interested in applying for the resignation of the is really prime minister of the

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