to sort of explain because live had a listen police about a child abduction saying her husband was heading to the apple. oh flies to the port located in know, oppose the times. they have been re directed so. so false is already seen by police . say that mine's food to most of the sales out of the car was exploded on. that's all about the fires. have since been extinguished. well that route. so this news i was, it was great to have your company here on all team. i'm much from the i think to national as i understand you choose to use this one to go over that which governs on stage. the results here. you know,

who makes the rules for tommy and the situation where we ought to be governed by some more. this system with the rules. well, i know that's quite a difficult to have. i do not know what the rules are. rules wasting to next to the, [000:00:00;00] the i'm action or time said welcome back to going underground rule got single around the world from the middle east. israel and the usa was virtually isolated from the

international community this week, as they oppose the un general assembly begging for rest bites. in u, k, u. s. u and mass killing in gaza. thousands of children have now been killed by multi $1000000000.00 weaponry and the energy rich cause of strip targeted for decades by nature nation weapons. so why would be our world's most populous country egypt fully open, the rafa crossing to the families of gods are free. the slaughter and why in the hour will not militarily intervene. is routine in other parts of the world in cairo is the arb leaks fullness extra. the general lumber, melissa. he is being the egypt to investigate to the united nations. it's foreign minister and has run for its presidency and he joins me now. thank you so much. uh, i was, uh um, let's just start with that. actually. i know there were reports that uh, the rafa crossing was open briefly for some aid. the ridiculous numbers of the

trucks as seen by the global south and the communities of, uh, the multi polar will not being israel. why do you think egypt doesn't just open up the border, allowing the people of gaza to escape the us and you bombs, even if obviously that allows israel to take over guys when it has been explained by age of general physicians and by uh, what do you think the comments made sure is that this is a and is lady policy to m t be okay if i did, if it is from, it's for the day on the by the see me and inhabitants. this is a plan. do uh uh, prevent the, the establishment of a policy or state by just ending, kicking out only, but a seeing as or most of the going to see me as it'd be okay. by better cuz be them

in the west bank or in garza, i don't think that the easiest would be bought the one to accept to be part of this uh uh, policy nor any of that out of country. uh, however, from how many davian point of, you know, egypt has received and will continue to receive, but also need and how some of those are, what about other a but the, the, for us to begin the process, this is a policy that they use. it should not as own have any other nation jeep with it. and this has been confirmed by at a processing fee uh with you on just a whole from the addiction public opinion. also can the lot to the same position. and it was also supported by the advantage as regards jordan. but then are we talking about the fact that the age will be allowed in just to prolong the lives of

people in garza before they are then all killed to send them as much as we can. because the sending in, in is not only a uh, a step in the right direction, but above all, by a wider policy to reach as these fire and stones, they, uh, the, the, uh, uh, kind of been on my end of the civilian population and the strip so its not the only a getting came uh oh lord, good, good thing. out receiving them in egypt. but also that is coupled with some political and the international, their phones to do that, i think, which is a ceasefire, and as still being, be the collective punishment exercise the by is right. so this is by the top eh, eh, reaction a one to study the action of course of the difficulties and implementing all that. but what i'm doing,

what we can provide it that we don't fall into that trap of being adjust executors of uh, is there any policy at all uh, ending before somebody is up having a lot of seniors. so you talk about the killing. you talk about a cx 5. why do you think it is that we saw by you didn't fly into the middle lease, so not from britain sholtes from germany, or opposing a cease fire. and then again to the united nations. we saw the united states saying the must not be a ceasefire. why do you think this thing when they say it's the policy of uh uh, something for supplemental. is there anything out in this all on other policies and are going to is i'll be happy to see me in a question regarding the so the fact that this is a case of maybe 3 o'clock patient, there's

a really minimally occupation now supported by forces. but not anymore to play the honest role. good. i'm good not anymore really contributes to the establishment of a uh, api, sleepy, same be in be in this region. however, i would say that the, the boss, the majority of the national opinion, or even states, expressed that abuse and the general assembly the day going in for a few. so i am going informed the board to take on the framework for a 40 because solution. i'm calling for stopping the master code that is taking place now and goes on. so what is it, what is it about this an issue for me? i mean, i don't want, we really talking not about the middle east, or indeed the arrow bl health. but we don't care about the united states when we talk about gods. what would be the reason?

what would be the reason the united states to isolate itself amongst the visions i'm going to say is your question from the beginning it is be, but as what i've done by then i said there's writing remote them. they should have created that. so this is clear, so i don't think contribute any b, b, b, yes, subject of questions and i said this is the supple buyers read by the united states . all the is right. and this a form is coupling with no ring v by a standing outside of the story and ignore the same as site means that is right now is enjoys the some of the, the important concept endorsed by the idea of that is to wherever it wouldn't be with no, i mean, unless, unless we own not only that was also that used and the solve a never that money. well, this is that enough is enough that we should not the old woman should not continue

ignoring the policy number question or mentioning the oldest i say, the dangers of the continuation of these lady ministry or corporation of the architect at the cnn center. that is, i believe that the story is not, of course the story is not yet a finished. i'm the you will receive the be a lot of mobilization out on the woods. that'd be minus the main question is a question to be. it's not a properly address in the motion. i know in accordance with that i some countries i know people to send the commission. i believe the future of this vision would be better, but it would be in danger, seen as danger, and very threatening to the stability and international peace and security. this is our job to do uh then would be a uh, an item summit and in saudi arabia. i hope that this summit we come with the right decisions to formulate a um,

a position to be on base to the homewood about certain things that we can never access. which is to cancel the plan, assuming and question on the weather. this would not be joined by the arabs and all of them, including in particular as i believe the uh, b, b, b and also a sub just uh let me see what the conditions with the is right. because what does that like is rice, and what is the right? is that the esteem in question should? nope, it's only gonna be in gold. okay. but before we go on, who we talk about the enough is enough in the woods or what are you saying therefore that until i haven't heard of. yeah. before before that summit, but are using until then until the apple such we hear about because it is, it is no better clear. and that is also the assistance and goes right. so apple named vision, i guess they and vision there on basically the troops. i never,

even it'd be as lazy to groups managed to do and they wanted to do. it would not be the end of the story as they it'd be, it'd be public premium here. it is in the state of purely that cannot accept the what is going on be the issue is still the on the table has been hanging on and we are going to see a lot of negative developments and perhaps supposedly, but i'm going to be positive with job, well, that's where the seat is to be the outcome of the uh, upcoming out of summit, the end result, you know, in the russia. so what was happening to it's russian speaking citizens in the east and ukraine. it went in to protect them. why is it the arab world who don't even need to militarily intervene, giving them because they can just switch off the energy to the countries arming israel? why can the that not have happened before all the atrocities we witness in recent

days? when now we are facing a problem that has not been there before to be something hold of. the problem is that now there is right, is came out together with that allies ready uh bluntly. but what we need is the know, see how steep uh, they need to be possible uh, evacuation. i'll be about a senior citizens known ceasefire. um the, the, the, the, the, the, the most of all the by the to be there. but why do we have to wait for the emergency? some is in re a. why do we have to wait or lose it? why wait for a summit? when it was repeated as to un security council? no single buying, wait, we have to. no, no, no, no, no, no,

no. when the agent has opened already, the corner door received barely be uh, wounded. and there's also need to be met, damage of channels, pick ups. and the system is getting in the be that, but i don't think the invasion is going to use it. the oldest must be the the united mission genet assembly has expressed the majority of the international community that the some, both to the right. so, but his name is i'm calling for an order we are talking about, sorry, form is, i hate general. and as you know, israel doesn't care about that. they will yellow stars at the un security council, you know, position, they are doing that. but this isn't just the, you know, one of those, uh, things that the, that the most i'm, but unfortunately nothing good about, uh, such tactics. maybe the where the yellow or black or blue light will come and they went away. but they are doing back wrong thing and

they have to know that things are not going to be on within that day. but as they would have poked the, the, what we have seen, the ministers, you're going to go to a senior and have because so we have seen them in bathing. and this is making b, b, b, most injured. and, and, and that'd be locks almost. and the choices we have seeing them distributing. good. um do they need to be a funds in the uh, maybe uh, supplements and do it in gold or anything that would create major problems and that was the bank. that is why i ask you not to do it because it's only on guys that but just to follow up is going on in the west bank holding what is going on. and oh, if the own on be able to buy that is, this is much bigger than the situation it and goes through the situation and does

that is so dangerous. and i gave this only might acadia under human rights, and they've got national. no, i don't. but what is going on and it was, the banks will be honest, i says daily, the, the, the, the attention of the international media is very serious. one is going on also in the, in the end and be endorsed by the, the old hosting. and the issue is now back to before i was, i'll stop you the more from the former egyptian foreign minister and everybody except for the general. after this break,

the lease, wait, i'm going to us, we're going to say go to the court. if you're not gonna close the queen. yeah. but some of those in the 1st it's good. so when you get to the old and you start a consolidated move. so it's going to weigh like this political science, pretty much staples and they just started because they were in other countries. i forget that was for an old cisco for the 3 of the boys along the welcome back to going underground. i'm still here with the former egyptian foreign minister ann arbor, the executor general. i most we were just talking about the ongoing violence that we would just to talk about the ongoing violence in the westbank that alone what

we've seen of the atrocities in gaza. is there a problem that your presidency is imposing millions of dollars of military weapons and equipment from the usa and is in boarding energy from israel? is that why he can't do anything the military really protect the civilians of palestine or no, the can come out there any military action. and the soul of the united states is no point. and i don't think about egypt. i don't suggest that we've been debating to this a 2 of the 3 eviction or a amended reactions on the time being. we have to talk about the political side of it and the situation, the managerial situation and does up and that it is situation. so then process and in the west bank, the initial a, michael premium. now that is on the sofa of a stuff. there's a huge for his right to and money paid in him any day. the then the fee toward the

by the scene ends unfortunately, as right now, which tried to punch in the kind of thing and questions to prevent any money from talking about the corporation. so back bill corporation is back on the table. there's been a senior in question is back as a priority on behalf agenda open international relations. this is, any sense is i'm at shipment 2nd me. they have seen that what they have done and be okay by the stadiums. i give them all the cost them a heavy price because as the 2nd we've done on the commission has the admissions that has said about what happened in 7. on the 7th of october, they both came from nowhere, many of us expected. that's the and the and the presentation, but i'll be by the seniors because on those really extras because there's really

placement to them because of basically the point is when just explode. that that's what happened on the 7th of october. therefore, any further action, we have another reaction on the same and that is all but the me, denise, i'm the presentation. so going back to what is right and was doing and it will be many different kind of research. i've tried that. a success only cannot see me, and of course however, i want to say it on openness that we shall, savannah, the civilian population, that riggers of many, to the open nations. this has to be i plus they do this right, is as they are doing what the i believe of cause put bowman. um they civilian will take me for a community. they just been established as the united states does not share your opinion there. where do you think, where do you think nato propaganda media gets?

the idea that i'm us is somehow in the rain in proxy. i mean, assuming the organization. but i mean, people may need to be reminded of them as supported american policy in syria for a while. it appeared have words. yeah. why? where did they get this information from that? i'm us is some kind of a fix it or this from tire on and why, why is that repeated everywhere in whether use or just do you really suggested that the big as being said as a resource, it could be also invented or expected or whatever, but that's what they say, i need to see or what will happen, and that would be the amount of screens. and what i'm, what is being said on the media be, ah, what is the, what, what you're happening to the proceedings. make us load said and i believe that the own public opinion implemented he's, he's angry and the public opinion implement this is not on you out of the tax. the money is due. well,

i've actually been able to industry in the schools. i told them in the house is enabled, there is angry, they've got enough to continue with that way. it's cannot continue with that way. this is a message that i believe everybody in the national community, including the united states, all the way to of or should be a little. it's increasingly the jewish community in the united states that are joining solidarity with the palestine. i don't know whether you came under assassination. i didn't, i don't know whether you came under the threat of assassination when you were arabs . extra honorably exec the general. but i noticed the when the, you a call, the emergency security council session. that kind of shoulds name was invoked comparing guys to how do you think if antonio gutierrez continues in the way that is he may be assassinated the way that repeatedly the united states killed that guy. although i hope i,

i hope that god would protect danesh and such policies of by size the nation would not be resolved to do because it could be the interest. anyway, it is a different situation altogether. but having said that to be there, you have seen the muster companies being repeated good now in the, in does about we have, i, i know paternity if we really sit together and see that be the continuation of the state of school as a absolutely and when the d. b, it could happen that could happen. and i called to the out of the day on the, the small and then is right in some of the source of all the peaceful solutions those sol against the policy or big government. i go long,

been to joining the international community. are ultimately going on the government to stop such policies. and these are going to be by the seniors and the policy opens for the meeting, the occupation. and of course, wasn't just time us on october, the 7th. it was other resistance movements. do you think and they must have expected some kind of response. do you think that they thought of targeting? israel is nuclear weapons program at the mona, or did they just expect to be killed in their uh, thousands in gaza, including civilians as a response to october 7th, when the usual of the nuclear weapons. and it's very important the issue with that is why we in egypt and, and also the out of the guys going before. and we should continue with lenses.

that'd be a that nuclear issue. there is an 80 no good issue to be open, not only people so many because of no been on the same hit on bus b. nope. in a situation name is right. you are right under training for that. and i mean that threats any sides of the use of uh, not only available but the, even the existence and such as smaller area. i don't do more not using the same procedure. is it your understanding? they do have nuclear weapons because it goes israel neither confirms nor denies. they have them design my knowledge and the technicians, the based on that issue. i don't find that we have talking seriously about the serious possibility. but perhaps, as he does fact, will arab governments be able to control their own populations? and as you've talked about here, if they don't stop,

we allege genocide continuing. i want you to know that the, even the governments, the states have been sides really frustrated and angry because of what happens. and that's why the, but it is now a, a case of you know, maybe the amount of the people, the government and the government in that for example, when the king of the present cc ever chose to be possible, the across span of people, they wait and then a fully supplemented by the public opinion into 2 countries on the issue of the uh, guys that it was supposed to be a population to them. that is also one of the benefits that is on. so got there at what happened. and i know since the 2nd of october, this is learned and i'll be a positive bad results that you and i mean, you know, maybe keep a whole section among the people and governments. nobody accepts the b, b,

continuation of the of the situation or the position. they can reserve easy, but a senior has visited the, the, the medical profession and visit me ignoring. but i don't know about a student because of a states bible stick. a little how easy will it be for the united states to recover any kind of reputation after its behavior in recent days? and i hope that that day would be considered a deposition. i hope so, especially after all those demonstrations that have taken place in new york and other cities. and as many of the dues of america has sticking about like position that that'd be the mess of the car has to stop. and they want to see me. i was supposed to get their rights and also talk be so without this going to be no peace in the 7th of october. would know that cheap, but anything under that we,

they is right away. and it's friends or try to bring the things back to be what has been being part of the stuff on the web builder. i tell you are going to be on the 9th of october, things when you get a 2nd, unless we change our poster and this is the one, including the folder, not space and all the other big powers and all the powers would realize that it even goes right, to do or they wanted is directly that games built on interest that gives us just a minute. the invasion. and there is a new position. there is in, you know, maybe the, i'm going to be out of public opinion of all, out of public opinion over that. at that point, it says, such as bullets which we have seen before, $7.00 to $2.00, but she's not going to be. i'm not sure whether you mean that you can envisage king of jordan. no president sees the meeting with joe biden before the next us

election. but why do you think joe biden flew in to try and meet with these arab leaders while he was sending these warships into the eastern mediterranean, the biggest nato nation, ahmad, the summer saying in history all assembled the around the gaza strip. what's it for? as, as you know, that the meeting did not take place because of that, a meeting there between prayers and by then and the 3 out of the, those did not take place because of the position taken at that time. american position. so that is that actually manage their position, taken by out of congress. thank you in our lives, but that'd be out of control. can you see the us base is closing down into like a base and tacky? will that be shut down by the door open and get different the issue you are open

and get different an issue based on the big power in the presence. so let me follow in the reason i'd be there's not, this is not the only one. this is a big issue and i'm here to discuss it, but we are talking about different assuming question in particular i'm with i will have to have you on a game for that wider issue. thank you. thank you. and that's it for the show and condolences from the whole team here, we're going underground to those bereaved virus florida. there will be more guides on monday as you're with right now and is really historian and also of the ethnic cleansing of palestine progressing on topic until that in keeping josh firewall as social media. if it's not sensitive, you'll country and had to channel going underground tv on normal to come to watch new and old episodes of going underground. see him on

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