you for coming to a size on the wall? well, i have been in the heart of costs and we are getting to get is because i needs a state is like existing. this is the whole point i offer to you and to give us the mandate to, to be here. well, i mean, i'm glad you mentioned the un no effect, because uh, the new ones got some pretty pretty seriously hot coal statements to say about what's going on. i mean, there are branches of the un that's already talking about war crimes, middle this, the, the, i don't know. i mean, i don't want to get into it. i mean, like, like you said, let's not get into the geo politics of it all. it's been a tragedy on both sides and the tragedy continues to this day effect. leave any is a festival, a type survivor? from that fateful array of outdoor raven october the 7th. we really appreciate you jumping on here at archie and giving us your comments for you and your opinion. we value both. thank you very much. thank you very much bye. it's us. thank you for

joining us here for this program live for most of we are back soon with the hello and welcome to cross stock. were all things are considered non peter louisville. israel continues to attack guys with impunity. the civilian death toll is staggering. incredibly, during all this carnage, washington and this is really allied or telegraphing their vision for the palestinians after the war. of course it's forced region change the

discuss these issues and more. i'm joined by my guess, george samuel, we in budapest, he's a pod cast or at the goggle which can be found on youtube and local. and america s we have marble, j. e is an award winning journalist and commentator. gentleman crossed up rules and effects. that means you can jump anytime you want, and i always appreciated. i started out with george in budapest. let's just take it up where lincoln has left it off. he's back in the, in the region for the 3rd time since october, 7th. and what a display of fake re, i mean it's, it's unbelievable. he gets no deliver of deliverables at the same time. as matter. matter of fact is interlocutors are actually kind of snide and interacting with him . and i said, i know why, because he's what he and others have already decided what the end game is. and so they just are waiting to go through the process, the destruction of the palestinian people and gaza. this, you know, humanitarian pause is, it's a complete joke. he's not serious about it whatsoever. he's is pandering the public

opinion the best the possibly can. but it's for screen change. this is what they're really, this is what they've been all about for the last 40 years. george. exactly right, but of course the 1st was even change isn't going to work. there is no way in the world that israel or the united states are going to get regime the they want it in the, in gaza. so this was particularly insulting because um, uh, buy them at bass, player 2 is raising the boat, goes to blinking. how are you moving or do you manage every in pools? you know, we have to show the world we're really humanitarian. no, you know we, we, we have a serious about protecting civilians. and then unless any of those, all them, you know, you know, go shop and i'm not interested, even the, even a humanitarian, even this minus the sign. um, i'm not interested in any of the bones this. the hospital, a com board as

a whole week or after the, the leader of harm us. and then even the media say, well, we know we've looked at the frontage. we don't see anyone here other than the women children and 6 people should be seeing any spiders. i haven't, i haven't. yeah, it's um, and what's extraordinary is that if the united states wanted, they could really crack down on this any out who i mean that, you know is what it is a dependency on the united states is fine and really was serious. he could do it. but even though he doesn't, he just simply have both of these statements. so we want to manage area was which sounds really good. you know. yeah, we're taking seriously what the un secretary general to say. but none of this is a, it is, is serious of, of live with the united states. so what goes on is essentially, this is kelly is destruction. button is kind of a good, good talent succeed. and this is, this is just

a completely pointless loss of life, because ultimately this goal of cleansing a guys that pushing all the residents out and just creating this a racist which is around to exploit the future. it cannot happen. and so this, so this whole enterprise is just simply pointless. mother martin, that if it does say what we've seen since october 7th, as we've just seen prevention rates, we haven't seen a strategy other than that. and that a revenge and rage is just to ethically quite incentive, but it's working. okay. and just as george said to me, you know, blinking shows up. you know, we have very, with very serious eyes and almost kind of poetic tone, which is really irritating when children are being killed. i really grades on me. okay. with that cloth and all about, but i mean, you know, then the name and then you have a turn around. it's out there. there's not going to be even a humanitarian, but there's going to be nothing. and he's in, in until

a be at the time. and his george pointed out, i can't keep track of the atrocities. it's about 3 a day. now. go ahead mark. yeah, it's just, it's distressing. he bring, can i wonder how many times blinking can do this? he's losing credibility all the time. you know, the jo damian king has said to him, look this idea of a separate separation because a westbank is completely off the table. there's no waiting. sure thing is what to consider of westbank perhaps being on demand monday, the can. but it, it the but of the, the 2nd also made a comment to him that so in the, this is a little crimes. i left the 1st time an hour later the she said to the america, this is walgreens. you are committing a genocide house that they have to point out. jordan is a nominal ally of the united states in the region. nominal. ok, good. exactly, but i think it's, it's worried that some, that there is no surprise here. there's no middle ground between these 2 extreme

forces of the fall, right when of the, of the present and come a government and a scene that you would think. the huge talk shops letting you in on the, when it least provides a conference rooms to actually get these worldly design the time to start talking about this program. because i'm like you crazy. you know, you have this huge groundswell of public opinion around the world against it. you're it, yesterday over the weekend we saw demonstrations in dc that we haven't that 7 seen before, but i'm reading reports. i don't know if this is fixed up on ring reports of 2000000 people on the streets and it needs and indignation and capital indonesia, you know, is running the story on the weekend. well, was any, i mean, when you 1st talked about regime change, i thought you were talking about this and yeah, because i've just written, i've just written up this thing. how long is not, you know, who got, you know, he's not a very good. he's not offended by mentor, but doesn't like politico, which is sort of uh, generally as the outfit in, in, in dc, very close to the but the ministration. speculate to that button is already looking

at all the time. beyond that, you know, who so i wonder whether that's also an issue, you know, but some, this daily schooled sort of chunks of i just want to say the quote unquote sacrificing netanyahu for a result in, in the, in gauzy it's, it's really cold comfort. and it says the a fiction, you know, george, it's really interesting is that we have this neil colonial mindset still, you know, blinking is towing well, the jordanian, so we'll do this. the trip sions will do this, you know, maybe the, the saudis, or, you know, pony up some cash. what world is he living in george? well, that's a fantasy. well, and then all over this, just a kind of a public relations exercises or somehow the united states is doing something with the diplomacy. you know, we're doing what henry kissinger did, you know, 50 years ago. we're going to roll a capitals. i'm trying to put together

a coalition because there is no goal they should because everyone is telling the united states that we on guns are getting involved on your behalf. it's your problem is, israel is problem. you have with the 10 to 2. it can agree with that. we've talked about this nonstop since 1967, of course, even before that that particular list and 67 that this is not a viable solution, just simply ignoring the paddle, same problem as a now he says, well, maybe you could, you could do something, but they're not going to do it they, i'm not going to co operate in what is essentially the ethnic cleansing of gaza and that they know this is what israel ones that is clearly is where his plan is to drive out of the population. and then they going to ship the button primarily on through egypt. okay, you gotta make home, so them is sign i. but secondarily onto the europeans on the americans right now you go to pop up the money to the house and the fee,

then the creates those cities for all of these people because these are, it isn't going to pay up anything. so that because the king of jordan and presidency see with golf role as they know that this has these rated planned and probably the u. s. plan was, well, the just say it's your problem. you know, you should have attended to years ago. you haven't listen to us, we're not going to help you out now. yeah. because martin is a being the united states wondering to be this, the so arbitrator of what, what happens in the middle east. and so, as george has pointed out these later. so you want it, it's your, it's your we met, ok, you figure it out. okay. for for decades, new a did not allow a peace process become bored. and this is where we are. you know, you know it, you break, you break it, you own it. martin, well, you're allowed a funny piece process to, to, to run the case which the other thing is finally got sick and died off, which is where they go to thomas. and, you know, it's interesting that some,

what lincoln's doing, what he said, that there seems to be a little delusional kind of the name of gazing from the americans. you know, that still believe that every single battle in their nation. but they should be worried about the geopolitical dimensions to this, which is not even featuring on the radio, in a memo to anyone in turkey on out. ok, having having secret talks with the ranges. but what to do? that's a sending muslim country. having tools with a seat as a country so that when these to get together, you know, you, you might have a real problem in the recent because if anyone needs some member decides to get involved, i stopped supporting by this time what the hell, the americans going to do, can we, can we, can we wage a war against the nature of member, supposedly in defense of a non lights? remember how, how would that work? exactly. you know, so there's a lot of, there's a lot of loose ends to end the as a little confusion and blend them just doesn't know where he's going. he seems to

be lost. he seems to be a kitchen, stuck up a tree. but some, the daily tonnage is, is very worried and i, i, we swears we weren't what we're experiencing is so of the scale. so unimaginable but it's beyond the comprehension. i wonder what else is beyond comprehension. and the, the, with the with which really is makes a such an impoverished situation. george is that you can rattle all you want about come us and you can rabble all you want about the tragedy leap. i have so tragedy of october 7, but it all is you rattle on about all of these bumper sticker slogans. children are dying even a massive scale and you can watch it live big. they said this is paralyzing. literally the, the, the campaign to demonize the palestinians because he can come up with all the phrases you want, but then you look at the pictures and it doesn't compute george. that's exactly

right. and um, because of this, the, the magnitude of this humanitarian disaster, then bulls look at the combinations of homicide. it's understandable. people say, well yeah, almost launched as a realism. they knew what would i have and they knew how terrible israel's response would be. they knew that the palestinians was over as a result. they acted, they're responsible, and that is partially true. on the other hand, almost has a lot of the world to this disaster. and suddenly everyone is aware of what is reality is doing what the suffering that it's imposing. so you're going to say that but how much has achieved had been an important objective much of the intifada. this was the same thing like, this is ridiculous, this is hope was hoping to possibly resist the is radio evasion. but suddenly the world was aware of these way to occupation and was aware of the specific in a quality, but even the false as, as it has of is way. and essentially the civilian population that was subjected to

is really rules. and yeah, i mean these massive demonstrations in love, this is a regular thing down on the dc. and those markets in indonesia, it just shows the world is really becoming aware of this. and you know, this really narrative is just not working well. and on top of it again, because we have such a large international awareness, the political leads in washington in london and in color b. pan said, i didn't know because i do, i tell them i'm going to jump in here. we're going to go to a short break, and after that short break, we'll continue our discussion on palestine. stay with archie. the

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considered. i'm peter will bill. this is the home addition to remind you. we're discussing palestine, the price go back to america, where we handle the leader of hezbollah. come out the most highly anticipated speech on friday. george i had spoken earlier. we didn't expect anything, a game changer if louise at this point and he did not disappoint strategic ambiguity, that's what i would call it martin. you have a just make yourself, i mean, show the importance of around on a pallet that run wheels. i mean, a lot of people on the model is thought he would come out with a, with a firm loose and threat to, to is, or the west. but he didn't mean it was quite delphic and placed, isn't on us, on a surprisingly, you know, again, we see again and again there run, play a couple times around, knowing the full implications original. we're going to,

you go and alternatively, exchange is going on day. now on that, let me spell it, it was an israel, a message, but a lot, and it's quite how can i say it's quite restrained? is quite so limited and both sides know exactly what they're doing. besides the estimation, you know, i don't think the americans understand that or to reach limitations of iran and being tracked in some way around. that's what i do and they're keeping a distance. um, but the one right now is miscalculation era. i'm probably on the sides of the west . you know, i think in the middle east boz palm is always look for plausible deniability. of those pub is always look for bite sized targets, bite size strikes so they can carry out gifts one know that my think my prediction is in the coming weeks you're going to see a lot more is really strikes on it rainy and it has. but the students can, syria is ready, esick staves, and there's a report which we've had, we've run on with bunches whereby we've shown a picture of the russian makes grounds to air missile systems which are being

transported now. so i'm a substitute as blood and salt of living and it's one of those, just one of those takes down and it's really f 60 and think about the implications of the think about where we go after that kind of conversation. that 3 of us gonna be having, but i think that's unlikely. i'm going to put my neck on the book and say, i think this is what going to happen in the next few weeks. and hopefully somebody can step in and save the math is going back to my original point of i'm missing yahoo and how long he has, i think if by to starts to panic at a certain point and wants to avoid under vague, its original compet competition. if he wants to start this thing, getting out of hand. previous presidents have the will tell them the clout to possibly remove. is there any prime ministers just by this is trent left for the truth, but i wonder why we can do that. he may well consider it as an option just to bring in the i think it's intriguing what you're saying. but what george we've seen over

the lot, particularly over the last decade display the radicalization with the money to the right in is really politics. no, obviously netanyahu is. he's toast. okay. everybody knows that he probably does too . but that doesn't mean there isn't someone to lie to me in the been waiting. okay . and because we've seen the electorate lunch very much to the right. even cut out, you know, they nominally kind of, you know, a western liberal approach. um, uh is very much um, uh, uh, in tow right now with this radical um rhetoric, um punishment and ribbon. so, um, let me, how can go, but would it be anybody any better in this replacement considering how you guys rarely politics is configured right now? no, that's right. because the point is that when it comes to how to deal with the palestinians, they will have to do is uh home uh,

son and the people that have to deal with it. be a look, there really wasn't any daylight between like a the, the rights as represented by the code. and then the liberals, as were represented by labor. they were in agreement on that issue. i mean, they, the disagreements that they have on other things such as whether it is what it is to be just a julie stage or the issue of what to do with the quotes. that's where they disagreed. but on this question of the, you know, we need to break bones, we need the correct skulls, then they're an absolute agreement. so i don't think it would make very much of a difference. but i mean, i think that's, uh, it's unlikely that they go to do it, make a political change while the war is going on. i think once, once it's over, i think you had mentioned the who was gone. but again, i mean in the israel, you know, however crazy you, uh, you disappear for a few years, but doesn't mean you can't come back ariel sharon, exactly. ariel sharon. and maybe he resigned in disgrace. i mean, you know,

they have the commission of the sub run should deal with a sign responsibility to him specifically that he was the email to you as responsible and, and then he was back, you know, a few years later, you know, as prime minister. so you've got to bump it in this promotion, so i don't think they'll be unless you're changing. but of course, by the code, if you want to apply pressure, but i bite is not the so the person who's who's going to do is it equal to apply pressure and is it just knock it off? i mean, i don't think he can get a bush and not in the out of wow, but it can certainly say in off of this, this is just to reflect and we buy him a distraction in the united states. we're getting blamed for this and we're setting this as a for another 911. that's exactly whatever i want to do to go mark me. it's very interesting and looking at these demonstrations all around the world. oh no that it was still on the agenda for so many people because the main stream media and the establishment, it just, we showed that the palestine issue to

a side like what it says doesn't we don't talk about it. it doesn't exist. that was their mentality. with adults abraham's records, but of the marley, this is turning into bindings more internationally. okay. then in the leverage of the united states as it's the, it was to be the sole player. so if you break it, you own it. i mean, if this is all crashing down a failed american ladies policy of the last 50 years, martin button is serious about a 2 state solution. i mean, 100 has so many times before somebody leaves us, you know, but perhaps this will go to such an extreme way in force a to bait from wells leaves as such, you push forward for to stay solution. is he the one to put it off? i'm not sure if he has to the gravitas, but i said before, i think he's taken as well. um donna very right. talk us in a little richard crunch point where the when, when, when america has to decide if it goes further help is really no in a, in

a regional escalation. if it's something about certain point, because that's a cut off point assessment binding says to this, no, you can no more. we can't go any further with you. that may will create the political term or internally what the daughter is talking about. it may will create uh, some sort of mention of web, but he's really public venus for media through a publication lighthouse, you know, actually start looking at this with completing the dimensions that you haven't done in 2 states. there's been a real estate solution. i mean, why, why of the palestinians um, what is to own slaves in israel, the students, because the numbers are so high, but here i don't want to stay solution. they want to get the majority votes and the election and around that my client isn't. it's not particularly democratic. oh yeah . obviously to speak, you know, with the time we have left the are the result of george george and i have a broadcast called the guy going. and because the pod cast to give you a lot more time we, we talk about a variety of issues and you know, we have the,

the, as really representative to the united nations wearing a star of david and all delegation saying never again. but you know, we, we all been taught, but you can't trivialize the, the holocaust. but it seems to me and this is very sensitive. but it seems to me that the israeli government, under that yahoo is trivializing, the holocaust and trivializing with more crimes mean invoking. dresden, for example, um, you know, you got to have the carpet bomb civilians. why can't we do that? that's the argument. unbelievably true. that's what they're pushing george. yes, it's quite an extraordinary that they want to the side the the both properties. yeah. most painful, most embarrassing episodes of, uh, you know, british america and whatever it is, you actions in world war 2, as example was, oh, are you going to bomb address them? yeah. but what they did is, i mean they, they, you know, they,

they built tens of thousands of it is, it was entirely driven by the need to destroy, get kayla's, many germans as possible at a time when the war was settled and then lived in the yahoo were brought up this case of a school in copenhagen that was boned image of 85. the children were killed. and this is somehow, oh, this is buying the animal that was justifiable. this was a for roofing f as a. and even at the time, the british were embarrassed by it and, and knew that they had to do something about it and even pay compensation. it admittedly took a long time for them to do it. but at least they realize that this was just so beyond the panel, so completely on justifiable israel is citing this, right? well, you know, you did these psychotic things in what we'll do. why don't we do that? and if this is the 3 women we went with, let's, let's check president. best picture of pablo recently, a site that as an example of a,

we can essentially put directions into concentration guys. hopefully americans did it to the japanese. so this is now becoming a kind of a fashion west, and this goes to the game. what israel does is they want to play the victim where in the yellow style, never again, you know, where you know, where you know, where there's random, either jews in the streets of the land being fixed on by the, you know, not the subs. and at the same time where the, where the supervisor, you know, we, we get to do what, we're, what we want when we decide everything, you know, you know, we, we take it right on one day in the egypt, the next. so the both stories and they both love when it comes to the american public opinion, they don't in the us, the football fees as far as the us media. and so it's, you know, martin, but so many people don't understand because they're there and they're not in, they're intentionally not informed is that you can't in both dress then because so much of the internet. we basically because address that, i'm being

a little hyperbolic here, but because of the present we have international humanitarian law. you're not supposed to do those types of things. okay. they're not an exemplar as george. since that is something you should never do. well, yeah. doesn't was that was a month, especially an example of i'm going to fall on a now we can look back at it and use it as a reference point. but it's a, it's a very good comparison because you home and rest of the already have to know, boom schools, we didn't know specifically. look for children, i'm bone children, boom school. so that's a, it's allows a comparison. but i think these talking points, you know, they always get some romeo excuse the money he relies on sloppy journalist. so it basically price line is to write it up, you know, because stenographers and the same thing with the reference to the artist for me and set up an anchor. you know, any that you didn't mention, there was a mistake. was there a, you know, the bombing and the 2nd level was not very accurate? you know, from the british bull nose didn't, it didn't,

didn't always hit the targets executive. sometimes the sooner went off the mock. but in a talking points, the media and nobody's really kidding themselves at this and you know, who was worried about what crime charges next few years. and then because who runs the international cause, who owns the un. oh, i see. see, you know, really was, you know, what is going to start this again. so we notice when you, when they your opinion, an american camps, you account edged protection, you know, encourages you to go ahead with the genocide, pays for it. surprised with a weapon rate. and then as a bonus, a sweet says, don't worry, we've got you. okay. alright. alright gentlemen, i want to thank my guest america, shannon budapest, on i think our viewers for watching us here at ortiz, the next time we member process options. the take a fresh look around is life kaleidoscopic, isn't just

a shifted reality distortion by power to division with no real opinions. fixtures designed to simplify will confuse who really wants a better wills, and is it just as a chosen few fractured images presented as fast? can you see through their illusion going underground can so i see the do not want to deal with it. this is the

best. just know that up in the is riley own, slowed on gus. us at the army analysis of a split the enclave in tune. and now has gone to the city itself completely surrounded by the grim milestone is reached and a full week conflict. the ga us and health many 3 claiming the number of palestinians killed has now passed the 10000 of the box. and some of the survivors of shared that store to try to get up and sold it. i had a stone in my shoes. i tried to remove it, but unfortunately i noticed that one leg was already turned off and the other was broken. finally began and as a result, my leg was turned off at one to leave a normal life where i tired. this is not life anyone.