as i said, so is it, no, he has no chance, but it does have a chance possibly to play a role in a republican administration. all right, and let's just get to a particular says aloud over about a year away, who all the front runners do thing for both the republicans and democrats? well, it's definitely donald trump, without a doubt and, and, and there was a, there are 2 poles in new york times in a college full and a, uh, abc newest paul that came out over the weekend. and in the book, 6 wing states that and it's whoever wins the majority of those states would win the presidency of trump beat spying in 5 of them and, and bind beat some in one. now i don't know, 5 is going to be the candidate. there's a lot of talk about people like governor news to go california by the stepping aside. michelle obama. there's all kinds of talk. i find that hard to believe that biden will be the candidate personally. but right now trump looks up pretty good

against but yeah, so be an exciting time for us in about a year. so i want to watch. but as always, steve mos bug to chose a pleasure as a thank you so much for joining us today. all right, my pleasure. thank you. my pleasure. as well as over this now as oh, it is great to have your company here on odd. see, i'm a lot of time on the hello and welcome to cross stock. were all things are considered on peter louisville. israel continues to attack guys with impunity. the civilian death toll

is staggering. incredibly during all this carnage, washington. and this is really like or telegraphing their vision for the palestinians after the war. of course it's forced region change the discuss these issues and more. i'm joined by my guess george, send you while we in budapest, he's a pod cast or at the gospel which can be found on youtube and local. and america s we have marble, j. e. as an award winning journalist and commentator, gentleman crossed up rules and the fact that needs you can jump anytime you want. and i always appreciated. i started out with george in budapest. let's just take a, we're blinking his left it off. he's back in the, in the region for the 3rd time since october 7th, and what a display of fake re, i mean it's, it's unbelievable. he gets know,

deliver deliverables at the same time. as matter, matter of fact is interlocutors are actually kind of snide in, in interacting with them. and i, i know why because he's, he and others have already decided what the end shane is. and so they just are waiting to go through the process, the destruction of the palestinian people and gaza. this, you know, humanitarian pause is, it's a complete joke. he's not serious about it whatsoever. he's is pandering to public opinion the best he possibly can. but it's force presenting change, this is what they're really, this is what they've been all about for the last 40 years. george. exactly right, but as well as the 1st was the change isn't going to work. there is no way in the world that israel or the united states are going to get regime the they want it in the, in gaza. so this was particularly insulting because um, uh, buy them and basically to the is raising the low cost of bringing you moving or do

you manage every impose, you know, we have to show the world, we're really humanitarian. the we, you know, we, we, we have a serious about protecting civilians. and then that's in the avo told him, you know, you know, go shop and i'm not interested. even the, even a humanitarian, even this minus the spine. no, no, no, i'm not interested in any of the bones this hospital a com board as a whole week or after the, the leader of harm us. and then even the media say, well, we know we've looked at the frontage. we don't see anyone here other than the women children, and 6 people are typically seeing any spiders. i haven't, i haven't. yeah, it's uh, and then what is the good shorter is that if the united states wanted, they could really crack down on that and yahoo, i mean, you know, it's really is a dependency on the united states. is finding really was serious. he could do it,

but even though he doesn't, he just simply have both of these statements. so we want to manage area was which sounds really good. you know? yeah. we're taking seriously what the un secretary general, they say. but none of this is a, this is serious of, of live with the united states. as to what goes on is essentially this is kelly is destruction, but it's kind of good, did cannot succeed. and this is, this is just a completely pointless loss of life. because ultimately this goal of cleansing a gaza pushing all the residents out, just creating this a races like israel do it, exploiting future. it cannot happen. and so this, so this whole enterprise is just simply pointless. mother martin that if it does say what we've seen since october 7th, as we've just seen prevention rage, we haven't seen a strategy other than that revenge and rage is just to test. think we quite

incentive then it's working. okay. and just as george said to me, you know, blinking shows up, you know, we have very, with very serious eyes and almost kind of poetic tone which is really irritating when children are being killed by it. really grades on me. okay. with that quite often all about but the mean and then the name and then yeah, i would turn around. it's out there. there's not going to be even a humanitarian, but there's going to be nothing. and he's in, in until a be, at the time and his george pointed out, i can't keep track of the atrocities. it's about 3 a day. now. go ahead mark. yeah, it's, this is distressing. he bring, can i wonder how many times blinking can do this? he's losing credibility all the time. you know, the jo damian king has said to him, look, this idea of a separate separation because a westbank is completely off the table. there's no waiting. sure thing is when it comes to the west bank, perhaps speaking to them monday the can. but the but the,

the 2nd also made a comment to him that some the, this is a little crimes. i left the 1st time an hour later she said to the america, this is war crimes. you're committing a genocide house that they have to point out. jordan is a nominal ally of the united states in the region. nominal. ok, good. exactly. you know, but it's, it's worried that some, that there is no surprise. see here, there's no middle ground between these is 2 extreme forces of the far right when of the, of the present and come a government. and i'm seeing that you would think, but huge talk shops letting you in the ear when it least provides a conference rooms to actually get these worldly design on the table to start talking about this program. because i'm like, you're crazy. you know, you have this huge groundswell of public opinion around the world against it. you're it, yesterday over the weekend we saw demonstrations in dc that we haven't, that's ever seen before. but i'm reading reports. i don't know if this is fixed up on, on bringing reports of 2000000 people on the streets and it's nice and international

capital. so indonesia, you know, is running the story of the weekend. well, was any, i mean, when you 1st talked about regime change, i thought you were talking about this and, you know, i'm, because i've just written, i've just written up this thing. how long is not, you know, who got, you know, he's not a very good. he's not a good friend of buying the tool, but doesn't like politico, which is sort of ha, ha, ha, can list a outfit in, in, in dc very close to the bottom ministration. speculated that button is already looking them over time. beyond that, you know, who so i wonder whether that's also an issue, you know, but some, this daily schooled sort of chunks of i just want to let you know, it's a quote unquote sacrificing netanyahu for a result in, in, in gaza. it's, it's really cold. come for then it says the a fiction. you know, george, it's really interesting is that we have this neil colonial mindset still, you know, blinking is towing well the jordanian, so we'll do this thing

a trip. sions will do this, you know, maybe the, the saudis, or, you know, pony up some cash. what world is he living in george the cookie? well, that's a fantasy. well, and then a lot of it is just a kind of a public relations exercise. is there somehow the united states is doing something with the diplomacy? you know, we're doing what henry kissinger did. you know, 50 years ago. we're going to roll a capitals. i'm trying to put together a coalition because there is no goal. they should because everyone is telling the united states that we aren't going to get involved on your behalf. it's your problem is, israel is problem. you have with the 10 to 2. it can agree with that. we've talked about this nonstop since 1967, of course, even before that that particular list and 67 that this is not a viable solution, just simply ignoring the paddle, same problem as a now he says, well, maybe you could, you could do something, but they're not going to do it, they unload, going to co operate in what is essentially the ethnic cleansing of gaza and that

they know this is what israel ones that is split is res plan is to drive out of the population and then they going to ship the button, primarily on through egypt. okay. you gotta make home. so them is silent. but secondarily until the europeans and the americans say, now you go to cop up the money to the housing, the fee, then the creates those cities for all of these people because these are, it isn't going to pay up anything. so that because the king of jordan and present c c with golden rule is they know that this has these rated plan and probably the us plan was, well, the just say it's your problem. you know, you should have attended to years ago. you haven't listen to us, we're not going to help you out now. yeah, because martin is it's being the united states wondering to be this, the soul arbitrator of what, what happens in the middle east. and so,

as george has pointed out these later. so you want it, it's your, it's your re met. ok. you figure it out. okay. for, for decades you a did not allow a peace process become bored. and this is where we are. you know, you know it, you break, you break it, you own it. martin, oh, you're allowed a funny piece process to to, to run out of it. that case which the other thing is finally got sick and died off and which is where they go to thomas. and, you know, it's interesting that some, what lincoln's do, you know, what he's it, that, that there seems to be a little delusional kind of the name of gazing from the americans. you know that still believe that there was think about the nation, but they should be worried about the 2 political dimensions to this, which is not even featuring on the radio, in a memo to anyone in turkey on out. ok, having having secret talks with the ranges, what to do that's assuming, muslim country, having tools with a seat of the country. and so that when these 2 get together, you know, you,

you might have a real problem in the region because if anyone and they so member decides to get involved, i stopped supporting by this time, what the hell the americans going to do, can we, can we can we ways a war against the nature of member, supposedly in defense of a lonely time about how, how would that work exactly, you know, so there's a lot of, there's a lot of loose sense to as a little confusion and blend them just doesn't know where he's going, he seems to be lost. he seems to be a kitchen, stuck up a tree. but some, the daily tonnage is, is very worried and i, i, we swears we weren't born experiencing is so of the scale. so unimaginable. but it's beyond our comprehension. i wonder what else is beyond comprehension and the, the with the with which really makes this, that such an impoverished situation. george is that you can rattle all you want about come us and you can rattle all you want about the tragedy leap. i have so tragedy of october 7,

but all is you rattle on about all of these bumper sticker slogans. children are dying in the massive scale and you can watch it live. it. they said this is paralyzing. literally the, the, the campaign to demonize the palestinians because you can come up with all the phrases you want, but then you look at the pictures and it doesn't compute george. that's exactly right. and um, because of this, the magnitude of this humanitarian disaster, then bulls look at the combinations of homicide. it's not this time, it will be in the same way. yeah. almost launched is realism. they knew what would i have and they knew how, how terrible israel's response would be. they knew that the palestinians with silver as a result, they acted their responsibility and that is partially true. on the other hand, almost has a lot of the world to this disaster, and certainly everyone is aware of what is reality is doing of what was of what the

suffering that it's imposing. so you're going to say that but how much has achieved and important objective much of the intifada. this was the same thing, but this is ridiculous. this is hopeless. ebony possibly resist the is radio evasion, but suddenly the world was aware of these way to occupation and was aware of the specific in a quality but being in the false as at the hands of is way. and essentially the civilian population that was subjected to is really rude. and yeah, i mean, these massive demonstrations in love that this is a regular thing down on to dc. and those markets in indonesia, it just shows before the world is really becoming aware of this. and you know, this really narrative is just not working well and on top of it again, because we have such a large international awareness the political leads in washington in london. and in telling me you can say that i didn't know because i do, i tell them i'm going to jump in here. we're going to go to a short break. and after that short break, we'll continue our discussion on palestine. stay with our to the

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all sense of the, in the system must be the one else holes. question about this, even though we will ben in the european union, the kremlin, the machine, the state on the rush to day and split the r t spoke next. even our video agency, roughly all the band on youtube tv services. what question did you say from stephen closer to the well to minutes across stuff you're all things are considered. i'm peter bell. this

is the home addition to remind you. we're discussing palestine the price. go back to america where we handle the leader of hezbollah. come out, the most highly anticipated speech on friday. george and i had spoken earlier. we didn't expect anything, a game changer, at least at this point. and he did not disappoint strategic ambiguity. that's what i would call it martin. never just make yourself, i mean, show the importance of around on a pallet that run wheels. i mean, a lot of people are in the middle of his thoughts and he would come out with a, with a firm loose and threat to, to is, or the west. but he didn't, i mean, it was quite dose that can places an honest, surprisingly, you know, again, we see again and again the political times around knowing full implications original. we're going to, you go and alternatively,

exchange is going on day. now i'm going to dispose of the 2nd israel, i'm hesitant about and it's quite how can i say it's quite restrained, is quite so limited and both sides know exactly what they're doing, both sides destination, you know, but i don't think the americans understand the original invitations of iran and being tracked in some way around. that's what i do and they're keeping a distance. um, but the wondering now is miscalculation era. i'm probably on the sides of the west . you know, i think in the middle east, both part is elizabeth foreclose, moved to my ability, and both pub is always look for blank sites target despite size strikes, i can carry out, gets one another. and i think my prediction is, in the coming weeks, you're going to see a lot more is where the strikes on in radio not has but the students in syria is where the essex dave's and there's a report which we passed. we've run on the bunches whereby we've shown a picture of a russian mates grounds to air missile systems which are being transported now from

us that's to his blood and self of living. and it's one of those, just one of those takes down and it's really f 60 and think about the implications of that. think about where we go off to the kind of conversation that 3 of us gonna be having. but i think that's unlikely. i'm going to put my neck on the book and say, i think this is what going to happen in the next few weeks. and hopefully somebody can step in and save the math is going back to my original point of i'm missing yahoo and how long he has, i think if by to starts to panic at a certain point and wants to avoid under vague, original compet competition. if he wants to start this thing, getting out of hand. previous presidents have the will tell him the clout to possibly remove. is there any prime ministers just by this is trent left for the truth, but i wonder why we can do that. he may well consider it as an option just to bring in the i think it's intriguing what you're saying. but, but george,

we've seen over the lot, particularly over the last decade displayed the radicalization with the lungs to the right in is really politics. no, obviously netanyahu is. he's toast. okay. everybody knows that he probably does too . but it does. doesn't mean there isn't someone to lie to me in the been waiting. okay. and because we've seen the electorate lunch very much to the right. even cut out, you know, they nominally kind of, you know, a western liberal approach. um uh is very much um uh uh in tow right now with this radical um rhetoric, um punishment and ribbon. so um let me, how can go, but would it be anybody any better in his replacement considering how you guys rarely politics is configured right now? no, that's right, because the point is that when it comes to how to deal with the palestinians, they will have to do is uh home uh, son. and before they have to deal with it be

a look. there really wasn't any daylight between like a the, the rights as represented by the code. and then the liberals, as were represented by labor. they were in agreement on that issue. i mean, they, the disagreements that they have all of the things such as whether it is the way it is to be just a julie said, or is the issue about what to do with the quotes. that's where they disagree. but on this question of the, you know, we need to break bones, we need the correct scowls, then they're an absolute agreement. so i don't think it would make very much of a difference. but i mean, i think that's, uh, it's unlikely that they go to do it, make a political change while the war is going on. i think once, once it's over, i think you have mentioned the who has gone. but again, i mean in the israel, you know, however crazy you, uh, you disappear for a few years, but doesn't mean you can't come back. ariel sharon ariel shadow and maybe he

resigned in disgrace. i mean, you know, they have the commission of the sub run ship deal of the sign responsibility to him specifically that he was bit, you know, he was responsible and, and then he was back, you know, a few years later, you know, as prime minister. so you'd go to bump it in this promotion, so i don't think they'll be unless you're changing. but of course, by the code, if you want to apply pressure, but i bite is not the so the person who's, who's going to do is any of the good applied pressure and is, are just knock it off. i mean, i don't think he can get pushed nothing they are. wow. but he can certainly say enough of this. this is just perfect. and we the by him as racial around the united states. we're getting blamed for this. and we're setting this as a result of 911. that's exactly what i, where i one of these go mark means very interesting and looking at these demonstrations all around the world. oh no that it was still on the agenda for so many people because the main stream media and the establishment, it just, we showed that the palestine issue to

a side like what it says doesn't we don't talk about it. it doesn't exist. that was their mentality. with adults abrahams, of course, but of the martin, this is turning into bindings more internationally. okay. then in the leverage of the united states that it's the, it was to be the sole player. so you, you, you break it, you own it. i mean, if this is all crashing down a failed american ladies policy of the last 50 years, martin fund is serious about a 2 state solution. i mean, how does so many times before somebody leaves us, you know, but perhaps this will go to such an extreme way in force a to bait from wells leads and so she pushed forward for a 2 state solution. is he the one to put it off? i'm not sure if he has the, the gravitas, but i said before, i think he's taken as well. um, down a very, very top awesome a little richard crunch point when the, when, when, when america has to decide if it goes further helps as well know in a, in

a regional escalation. if it's something about certain point, it's also kind of point assessment by and says to this. now i can no more. we can't go any further with you. that may will create the for the school time or internally . but the daughters talking about it may, will create some sort of mention of web, but he's really public, you know, sort of media through publications lighthouse, you know, actually start looking at this from completing the dimensions that you haven't done in 2 states. there's been a real estate solution. i mean, why, why of the palestinian this one is to own slaves in israel, the students because the numbers are so high. but here i don't want to stay solution. they want to get them and show to burton election. and the moment that my client is, and it's not particularly democratic, oh yeah. obviously to be you know, with the time we have left the are the result of george george. and i have a broadcast called the guy going and because of the pod cast and give you a lot more time we, we talk about a variety of issues. and, you know, we have the,

the, as really representative to the united nations wearing a star of david and all delegation saying, never again. but, you know, we, we know, been taught, but you can't trivialize the, the holocaust. but it seems to me in this very sensitive, but it seems to me that the israeli government, under danielle, who is trivializing the holocaust and trivializing with more crimes mean invoking dresden, for example. um, you know, you got to have the carpet bomb civilians. why can't we do that? that's the argument. unbelievably true. that's what they're pushing george. yes, it's quite an extraordinary that they want to the side the, the most probably the most painful, most embarrassing episodes of, uh, you know, british america and whatever it is, you actions in world war 2. as example was, oh well, you got to bone address that. yeah. but what they did is, i mean they, they,

you know, they, they built tens of thousands of areas. it was entirely driven by the need to destroy, get kill as many germans as possible at a time when the war was settled. and then lived in the who brought up this case of a school in copenhagen that was boned image of 85 children were killed. and this is somehow, oh, this is buying the animal that was justifiable. this was a career fake episode. and even at the time, the british were embarrassed by it and, and knew that they had to do something about it and even pay compensation. it admittedly took a long time for them to do it. but at least they realized that this was just so beyond the pale, so completely unjustifiable israel is citing this, right? well, you know, you did these psychotic things in what we'll do. why can't we do that? and if this is the 3 and wherever you went with that, the check president for best picture of pablo recently a site that as an example of a we can uh essentially put directions into concentration guys. hopefully americans

did it to the japanese. so this is now becoming a kind of a fashion western disclose. but again, what israel does is they want to play the victim where in the yellow style, never again, you know, where you know, where you know, where there's random, either jews in the streets of the land being fixed on by the, you know, knobs the subs and at the same time where the, where the suv about, you know, we, we get to do what, what we want when we decide everything, you know, you know, we, we take it right on one day and the agent the next. so the both story is and they both look when it comes to the american public opinion they own in the us as football, if he's, as far as the us media them. so it's, you know, martin, but so many people don't understand because they're there and they're not in, they're intentionally not informed is that you can in both dress then because so much of the internet. we basically because address that, i'm being

a little hyperbolic here. but because of the present, we have international humanitarian law. you're not supposed to do those types of things. okay. they're not an exemplar. is george, since that is something you should never do? well, yeah. doesn't was that was a month, especially an example of went too far on a now we can look back at it and use it as a reference point. but it's a, it's a very good comparison because of the interest of they already have to know them. schools, we didn't know specifically look for children and boom children's home school. so that's a, it's allows a comparison, but i think these talking points, you know, he always gets some wrongly always skills. the money he relies on sloppy journalist . so basically pro design is to write it up, you know, because to know the 1st and the same thing with the reference to the artist for me in token anchor, you know, that you didn't mention, there was a mistake. was there a, you know, the bombing and the 2nd level is not very accurate? you know, from the british bull nose didn't, it didn't,

didn't always hit the targets exactly, sometimes. going to seen it went off the mock a bit, but did a talking points for media and nobody's really cut themselves at this and you know, who was worried about what crime charges next few years. and then because who runs international goals, who owns the un go to i, c. c. you know, really, it was a, do know what is going to start is against him. he knows when you, when they hear opinion, an america keeps you account edged protection. you know, encourages you to go ahead with the genocide, pays for it. surprise of a weapon rate. and then as a bonus is sweet. the says, don't worry. we've got, you know, back. all right. alright gentlemen, i want to thank my guest america, shannon budapest, on i think our viewers for watching us here at ortiz, the next time we member process options. the,

there's no that up in the, the is really on. so it's all gone. so as the all me and now it has the wrong place, been to have gotten the city so completely surrounded guy. so he's be coming to get a job that you and the zip goes on board, sorry, 423, q for everything. the whole range of the long over to the conference is because is taking on future generation. as of a number of palestinians killed his sense of false 10000 of the survivors of said, let's go in and try to get up. and so that i had a stone like.