a of the philippines was finally able to achieve the independence. the, the headlines on how to international is the is really ministry size. it's forces on now fighting and quote, the very heart of gaza after prime minister netanyahu states the israel will take up a control of security, the quote, indefinitely how those remarks do seem to contradict the countries closest allied, the united states. having declare that neither washington or israel was seeking control over that kind of thing, an english israel strikes an area near the engineer's in a hospital in northern gaza, saying it's targeting how most tunnels underneath. we spoke to one of the builder to solve that hospitals having us there is no, they have to go and get that. and we are now and just waiting for our jordan to be

killed and to meet next week. and today i believe all of us joined the world and expressing power at the war. crimes being committed in palestine on south africa as foreign minister condemns. israel is a soul on gaza drawer and a direct comparison with uh the history of the parts. i didnt hyundai, the car, i just bought some 5 pm here and most ago with a busy hour lined up with correspondence on guess it's good to have you with us. so we begin with the latest developments in gaza. the is really navy has launched, strikes from the mediterranean, reportedly targeting, how must militants, any enclaves, largest city shadowing, started early on wednesday morning, and follows benjamin and y'all were the statement that israel will take control of responsibility for security across the publish the entire trait in definitely, the idea is also analysis forces are engaged in ground fighting inside gauze as it

is showing now for the 1st time in decades, the adf is fighting in the very haunts of goal. is that in the very heart of tara, this is a complex and difficult full, and unfortunately it comes to the price. shocked. now as the idea of surround scott, the city from land to c, effectively dividing the territories north and south. these ready, 5 minutes, and then you always said that the israel will assume security responsibilities for guys of following the operation. despite the fact united states has repeatedly said that israel has no intention of taking control of the user. don't want to continue the way of come us. it certainly is not that i think is what we'll look for an indefinite period. we'll have the overall security responsibility because we've seen what happens when we don't have it when we don't have that security responsibility. what we have is the rupturing of a must or on a scale that we couldn't imagine. israel cannot resume control and responsibility

for god. and it's important to note that israel has made clear it has no intention or desire to do that. so within those parameters, we are and we'll continue to have discussions with partners throughout the region and well beyond about what should follow. once a mouse is defeated, i think it's clear from what you've heard, that the 2 sides a talking have say, talking on different levels, because what israel has just said now is exactly what the us, the said it won't do. we've heard from benjamin netanyahu that after many, many weeks of known clarity in the situation, which is what it wants to do in gaza. that is, well now is looking at taking is the overall security of the entire set. the, the us, the said is also going to do that and yet is what i was saying. that is exactly

what we're going to do. now this is going to post so many questions because you cannot get rise any longer if, as well, is taking over the total security of the gaza strip. it will be a coupon that blinds. there's no need to, oh, it's basic fact. it will absolutely be occupying molanda now it's going to post. so many problems. take you to the us who says it is against this food for us. we heard again from antony, blinking the secretary state just on wednesday after that announcement from benjamin netanyahu. and this is what we have to say. uh guys it cannot be can continue to be run by from us. um uh, that simply invites a repetition of october 7th. it's also clear that israel cannot occupied out so there may be a need for some transition period. at the end of the conflict, but it is imperative that in the past and people be central to,

to governance in, in gaza and in the west bank as well. and that again, we don't see a re occupation. and what i've heard from is really leaders is so that they have no intent to we occupied houses and we take control of god. so it doesn't take any body language expert to see that he's not sure of himself. and this gives you a sense of how uncomfortable, perhaps feels about the situation. and the fact that the us is cleet not being told by israel not being kept in the loop as exactly what is happening. and it's also clear that the us is pretty and clear with its own strategy is now going to be considering its tied itself so completely is well space. um, is it possible to think, shawn, it, that we're actually seeing perhaps a small shift in us policy towards as well? yes, we all, i think what we've seen in the last couple of days in particular is this frustration that's emerging in washington with adults because they know for feet as well as plans with adults because the reports are true that as well,

it's kind of ignoring us just saying it behind to was for us is a c allies as well. it's always been a key ally without the us as well. no, be able to some find the last few decades. now, we sold bite and tying his administration to the school in casa, he's saying, we stand with as well. we're seeing anthony blinking back and forth in the middle east. and yet, here we are again, the situation of the us not seeming to know what's going on and it's not just a concern in the us is concerned about the general souring or low, but i'm not concerned is coming from israel as well. we've heard from one form is really prime minister. this is eric barack, who said that, you know, israel does not have very long just the situation out because the types of timing you can see the window is closing. it's clear we're heading towards friction with the americans about the offensive america cannot dictate to israel what to do,

but we cannot ignore them. we will have to come to terms with the american demands within the next 2 or 3 weeks, probably less listen to the public tone. and behind the ours, it is a little bit more explicit. we are losing public opinion in europe, and then a week or 2, we'll start to lose governments in europe. and after another week, the friction with the americans will emerge as well. it's all really shaky ground hair or a. we've already seen it being a choose of committing crimes. when it comes to garza, we have been seeing being accused of genocide fits 421-0000 individuals who's been killed in the last 2 months to load. many of those, and i mean spouses of those children and young children that i think the u. m. you have to pay despite dollars that as being a child refilled. it really is a huge problem and is well, is becoming an international pride as a result of it's not only have those relationships that choice of full story for

many decades with our states to pursue some sort of peace with them. a note fooling a part of in taxes. we're also seeing countries in south america moving there on bassett. this one is well in protest as to what's happening really doesn't have very long before. maybe that global opinion could entirely sour against it. i mean is, well, there are not close. netanyahu just stepped on because many people are pointing the finger of blame squarely attempt for this. well, that's why i'm on our across live to form a member of the israeli security agency. i'm it, us on out joining us here live on ology international, a very warm welcome to you today. so thank you so much for spending some time with us here. let's see if i can just go straight off the top of my head here. i want it to ask you about them. israel is the initial stated goal with the ongoing minute. your operation essentially, to eliminate hom, us. and i wanted to ask you, the, one of the latest bits of information we have from the prime minister is that

israel will now potentially retain security control over gaza when the conflict comes to an end. is that, do you think is that, is that a new strategy, or is that part of the original plans? as you know, i'm not an official stick to these really uh, a government in any way. i can tell you what i'm saying. okay, well i think you'd say very clear, he's very determined to get us to come. austin austin, black on the map. no, there for me. there's no for my number. what is c o l i o d, so full. and that means that we're going to have to do wage very, very deeply. and very specific actions and the few, even with a start date on meeting, we have to give the so we are in control of our troops. this is what the benjamin,

the you already study. but when i see the patient open an extra degree, the way to say we are going to talk to him by the god we doesn't want to do. he doesn't want to butcher by does all this is the story, is just a tactical way to go home with this will because nobody would stay alive if he's in the house or if he is starting to go, isn't bending due to keep the site deal on us each month. so as, as you say, it's the same as to us. it's basically going to be a thought or a cleansing of, i guess the northern part of gauze, as, as you say, there's an awful lot of work to do when it comes to the tunnels and the infrastructure that have reportedly been billed on the ground. i wanted to ask you, okay, so i understand obviously, you know, to speak to these ready government, but you are a citizen of the region that how in your view is the military operation currently

going? or i think that the 3 get step by step as a, a, it's very difficult, a you to a new as fast in these kind of an area. you want to understand that the, how much was the lead in the so a full dca, both the years. well, 10 years, he is making a lot of, uh, surprises inside. and we know that surprises. that's why we have to go step by step. it's very easy, very specific, uh, a way all the, all a actions a dominates all the centers. and as we can see, every time, ease of troops getting o noah and so on. and all the g 5,

the, the below he's a is the means is uh, and it was full on a, a last a do. he's the only from the back on the side by surprise. that's why we have to move very slowly and very specific on these thoughts because the saws, instead of adding dollars seems odd and we wouldn't use, i'm sure a lot of technology new and they're going to do that the road. didn't see a new. it means to deal with this kind of fall at dollars uh at the end nobody would stay alive. phone, most of them is, well they said they say there are potentially hundreds of kilometers worth of tunnels under the ground. and in that region there, i've, i've seen footage of the idea of sending in dogs to go off the militants in the title. is there a note that what was that was chapter and reason weeks about either guessing the tunnels or flooding. the tunnel is just to get it get, you know, just to clear out the situation entirely. i mean,

i don't know what the latest the latest is. frankly, i'm a very curious as to when i spoken to about the latest comments from that in yahoo is essentially saying the israel will be in charge of the future security situation of cause i use that to me, that israel is not interested in any kind of occupying force in god, so which is, you know, fair enough and a good comment from you. but it does seem that there's a disconnect between washington and israel with often this in yahoo saying we're going to control the security situation and gaza. then there's washington saying, no, no, no, no, no, israel's not going to do that and his real doesn't want to do with that. why do you think mr. so there is apparently a disconnect right now between washington and jerusalem. i think uh it, sir, is long to say that there is any disconnect from the united states to he is a visa and it's to ration and the full and corporation and also that in the field. and for my

a united states. and these are the guys united states so, and there's no and everybody knows at the role that diesel is not just use ram or against or is the, i guess reading is let me. oh, and they know that they asked for it already. and they show it's wrong to say that the reason that was delivered and there is a kind of disagreement any way the united states would say that we will not be the end of the area. and the keep on saying that we may not okay guided, but we will the have to manually secuity. nobody will have any attention to raising ease anymore in an actual stir. i appreciate your car, find out and a very interesting commentary as well. if i'm a former member of the israeli security agency,

i'm an asa joining us live here on the international. thank you so much for your time. thank you. well, let's take a compensation for the analogy international course and live to a former pack us donnie air force officer carnell salton, a highly joining us here analogy international a very well welcome to today. so if i may just go straight into it is rails. a 1st stated goal regarding the war in the middle east is to remove hom, us, and then yahoo! now claims the idea might have to maintain secure he or far as he over god. so when the war is over, what, in your opinion, accounts for this a power shift in strategy. i wrote that down. i thank you very much for having me on the show. and i was listening to the previous conversation that was going on. this is infinity. interesting question. you see, i don't think mr. and nathan have who is in control of exactly what is going on because the he has a plan, but he will have to shift gears. you look at what is happening is right. it's so

happy in that menda said, protest demonstrations you for that are asking for the return of the hostages, which from us has had less. they are also demanding the recognition of them. yeah. so he will have to change gears. there was a payment of the shifting united states which was supposed to be calling the shots is not doing so anymore because it's the case of the uh, not the dog good vacuum, the daily, but the daily events and the dog so. so that's just like these things are coming up . it's very interesting comment. you show me this. so i wanted to ask you though, i mean, okay, you do, you talk about the relationship between washington and jerusalem, but you want to talk about this potential disconnect coming up. just going to ask you how big is washington's role in the conflict given the opposing messages? we're getting you what you went on to something a moment ago? yeah, absolutely. i was actually listening to non chomsky i'm sure you've heard the name

of course has gauge which prophets are in the mit and it really respected the guy. he visited his law about about 12 years ago and i had the chance to listen to him to be all spelled bound by his comments. but what do you have to say for gaza is very interesting. he says that to the united states, actually uh, there is a disconnect event over there between what the state department is planning and what the pentagon is thinking. because the pentagon is highly impressed by the is where i live ministry. and the issue i'm putting on chomsky yeah. who said that to the is there any forces of it running out of munitions and they asked us for help. and the us, munitions, which we have stored in it is right in each cells which was supposed to be used. it goes to whatever. anyway, you can think off and then let them use the those munitions. so what does it say about that relationship? my job by doing himself, he's facing

a very difficult time because the 2024 is coming up for the next elections. and it just didn't not clear that he will be the democratic candidate for the election and mind is riley, is that i the media has a lot of influence on, is american funded. so all these things are going to be marked down pretty early on the decisions that are coming about. but at the moment what you see is affordable for, obviously. and it looks like us and you are looking for clarity in between. but we're just going to add to what you're saying that many people say the most powerful lobby in washington dc is actually the, is really low. but you know, factors also alleged that when it comes to american elections and nobody's spends more money on american elections than the as rating low be in washington dc. let me ask you this if, if i may, when it comes to, i'm just gonna go about that in yahoo. he's one has blah from get being directly involved into the wall. he said if his ballade got involved, it would be the worst decision. if hes blogs, life,

a lot of concerns about his blogger and i know, and a multi front wall opening up and the long this goes on and gone. so the u. n. is using the word war crimes in genocide right now. how much longer do you think it might be? so before we do have some sort of multi pronged, multi frontline, we're opening up actually that is the reason why and they put me out who and is there a difference for us as they are trying to expedite the aims are and what, in my opinion, i there it is to estimate from us to make sure that they are not able to rise again and coming back to your question about is, what lies deforming? what's obviously more for the is there any different sources, but his will look back the message, but his life is not a bother because they are very highly trained site does. and if the red line is crossed they at it, this is going to result in a very long ball and

a pretty atrocious walk in which that it'd be a lot of casual as these are quite different. b, what's be directed to in golf. it's heard, wonderful. so that is why i'm the, the hope it is a shifting and they both and the what things to has. well, maybe if you see from them, you know, to keep them all from attacking. but unless these ladies, they come to an end of the atrocities. i don't think the chances of war is going to introduce you. but you would also have to look at the close allies. austin is right . and once upon a time, people like it takes a lot of job in a mind he refused to meet to either vote come present by didn't when he was there. and so on. i phone, i guess on the apples office or connell assault on holly joining us live are now to international a very enlightening conversation. i enjoyed that. thank you very much for your time, a few weeks while israel says it's advancing according to plan with this

military operation, and i have a thing when it cools terrorists both sides guys are officials, claim is really strikes on, choose day, killed and wounded. a large number of civilians and the cities of hon. eunice on the out bala for this from the alaska, with children taken from the scene or the exact number of fatalities, not given balance, but reports address dozens were killed with others still trapped under the factory . according to local health ministry officials, the war which has not entered it 2nd month, seen $10000.00 lives lost and gone. so with over a 3rd of the dead being killed, all the guns is south, a region and the residents of hope would not have been targeted off the israel, older people to evacuate from the north down to the south. well, the idea was also hit several locations down in the south were talking about the city of con eunice. one,

both during the local hospital was on duty when he discovered tragic news about his family. i learned to the death of both of my children. what is the fault of these children? what crime did they commit in order to receive thousands of bombs dropped in their ads in order to receive tons of explosive fund, or hads in order to have booms full on their houses. and on the hands of those who leave the industry to you? is it that it happened yesterday? i lost my mother. i lost my 2 brothers and also lost my sister and her 2 children. i lost both of my beloved children. i'm to run them on. he was 7 years old and in the 1st grade, and more 5 years old, who was in kindergarten to in northern gaza. there is ready ministry has attacked in the area near the regions and an easy and the hospital israel justifying the attacks by saying that how much tunnels are underneath the medical institution. now the n g o, the sponsors that facilitate denied the accusations and the indonesian government

rejects it. israel clay the international hospital and guys, it's a facility built by the indonesian people entirely for humanitarian purposes and to serve the medical needs of the palestinian people in gaza. we spoke to my man who is saying, who actually helped to build the indonesian hospital. he had strong comments. by the way, he said there is no evidence to suggest that how must militants to build tunnels under the facility. and he actually says, according to him, israel used as such narratives, well, to excuse bombing civilian. i was one of the team that built this hospital i, we built the hospital in 2011 until 2014. so really provides a few things. first thing today, we were in the side of this a basketball, and i can tell you exactly there are, there are no,

and if you did that to part this claim, they already did disparage. they cannot reach the real fighters. so they try to find a some, something to, to name, you know, they cannot of dc defied 3rd. so this started to target the fuse degree is that a writ written just didn't discover, you know, this acoustic decision. they, they, they cannot prove anything about they, they clam. and i think the maybe they, they, they mean to to know more uh, unit genocide and know that the hospital this is very, very crowded, played to,

to and then that add to, to do this more getting a side better. i don't think that the claim has, has a part that is not taking place at all. we are in, in gathering in from the area and you guys uh, within uh, yeah, around not to the south. decided that after from uh, not a garden guys, uh, came to saw the number of the kidding in the southeast. it's fairly, very much larger than the north of area. so i can tell you, i can tell you uh simply that there is no savings on in gaza. and we are now just waiting for our jordan to be killed and to be the next victim. meanwhile, and he and he is in the city of us sort of by of several 100 protesters took us to the street. so condemning what they call is really aggression the

crowd of the money that the us ambassador leave the country demonstrate has done the annual and complex 2 as well as crimes against palestinians, the one local and attendance of this design. this is an active solidarity for palestine. we condemned israel's officious actions which have destroyed palestinian homes, killed innocent children, the elderly and so on. i think this is all the message we want to convey. we carried out this protest in front of the us consulate general, because we know that the u. s. provides admitted to re power to israel so that they can call the noise palestine. meantime, south africa as foreign minister has denounced the quote is really will crimes and guys are drawing a direct comparison with the history of apartheid. you know, nation today i believe all of us joined the world in expressing hara at the war, crimes being committed in palestine through the targeting of civilians, civilian infrastructure, un premises,

and other vulnerable tockets. these actions remind us of our experiences as black south africans living under pa, date, but collective punishment. that is right is the exact same on, or palestinian people is in the front that has gone on for too long. the world as expressed caught up at these are friends, but has not acted effectively to save palestinian life. sadly, even yeah, you know, own country. there are many good choose to turn a blind eye to these atrocities. and while addressing the national assembly on the conflict and the lady, pandora outlined a 7 point piece, find a gas, it will list a few of them for you here. for example, one of them, of course, the implementation of an immediate cease fire. also, according for the opening of our humanitarian, colorado's also that have the release of civilian hostages, and for

a un rapid deployment force to be sent to publishing an area as well as speaking to us. here at od statements pendle shadow, take us well on that of the international criminal court. she says the icpc is judgments falls short of balance when it addresses other conflicts in the world. a hi minister of israel benjamin netanyahu as really being the person that has been fueled the silence we see being pitch perpetrated against innocent palestinians. we have said that the i c. c, which was very quick to act when the territory of ukraine was occupied by russia. but now silent at this time because it has palestinian people. we regard this as a double standard. and we do call as the palestinian authority has done on the i c . c, to declare itself on this method and recognize with crime and home that has been caused. mishandled is peace. pine was preceded by

a very different proposition by israel's heritage minister. he suggested dropping a nuclear bomb on gauze. there was an option, a rushes for ministry address that statement as well. so if the was the method has provoked a lot of questions, let's address them one by one. the 1st question is, does the minister statements mean that is ro is admitting to possessing require a weapons? and the 2nd question is, what happens to national organizations remain silent on this issue? where is the i a? well, the inspectors are the russian president, vladimir putin has met with a deputy chapman of china is central military commission. that's why they discussed that china or russian cooperation and the expansion of nato into the asia pacific. as i see today, russia and china are not building any military alliances along the lines of the cold war. our interaction with china is constructive and a series factor in stabilize and the international situation. the united states is

increasingly dragging all native countries into the creation of a test situation in the asia pacific region, french, great new military and political alliances. they are included with countries in the region, primarily guided by its own selfish interest easily. and you know, as we just saw from the russian president himself, this was during the meeting between russian present regiment put in as well as the chinese and russian military validations today. here in moscow. now, the russian presidents press that, despite the military cooperation between china and russia, are becoming increasingly important that, that, that is, that is not any intent to create some sort of cold war style allies between both countries. but that the contacts between both russia and china in the military sphere are becoming necessary. and the b interaction between china and russia is constructive and necessary and stab allies.