[000:00:00;00] the, [000:00:00;00] the north end of this trip right now, it's very have guys a base journal as tom's a salon comes under is really airstrikes in the territories north. the and it's really air strikes pills, 12 people and wounds, dozens and central dogs. according to the protestant in interior ministry,

israel agrees for the 1st time to daily, for our humanitarian pauses to allow aid and the parts of northern garza and the evacuation of civilian and western condemnation of israel's actions in gaza. grows with the belgian official calling for sanctions on probably the others of the headlines were following this our here on our t of next on cross talk to the bill, touched with his get about his really prime minister. netanyahu whose plan for indefinite occupation about the

hello and welcome across. ok, we're all things are considered. i'm peter lavelle, israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu says he envisions to designate israeli occupation of gauze after the war as if the long standing blockade is not an occupation. this goal tells us a lot about the war being waged on garza. it's a war of displacement and ethnic cleansing the prospecting palestine. i'm joined by my guess eve angler, in montreal, he's a canadian foreign policy institute fellow, a journalist and author, and in lisbon. we cross to alexander guerrero. he is international legal analyst. all right, to them and cross our rules and effects. that means you can jump anytime you want, and i always appreciated it. let me go to you 1st here. let's just talk about the recent defense here. we had a anthony blink and the us secretary of state, i suppose, trying to imitate henry kissinger with his shuttle diplomacy. but all he did was

humiliate himself and his president joe biden. why in the world, with any of his interlocutors in the middle east and the region at large be want to become a can, can please to be in join in and being involved in the ethnic cleansing of the palestinian people. i mean, they don't want this, they'd be, you know, they have a lot of problems. they don't want to go down in history is helping is really not in the states the destroyed the gaza strip eve. yeah. and that's what they told the lincoln. burton gone and turkey didn't even bother showing up for the, for the meeting. do you know, do you know who did show up the, the deputy mayor of this then bowl game that was the person that greeted them. i'm sorry, the rep keep going. and so i mean, they understand exactly what the us is doing, which the us, which is completely supporting israel's, a slaughter and guys that you know,

around 5000 children have been killed. and basically what i think he wants to do is to get as much acquiescence to this in the region as possible. i don't think he believe that it was, he would get them the different leaders to you know, salute his is his diplomatic of backing those of israel. but he wants to at least minimize the criticism and you know, i don't think it was successful. i think that clearly the governments in the region to see what's happening and, and they realize that their populations in their country are absolutely appalled by while we are all seeing coming out of gaza. and so they only, you know, as much as they are under the some of washington. uh like the country like jordan they at some point they have to listen to their population to a certain extent. but it is really, is just absolutely direct us complicity and all of the horrors that israel's is causing you know,

this announcement just yesterday is another 320000000 dollars in us weapons. we're going to be said to uh, to israel, to use against the population in guys a, obviously there's $14000000000.00 of a, a, a package that's been, uh, that's out there. and, and, you know, all this diplomatic sporting, blinking has now made 3 different trips to israel, in, in, in, under a month to completely endorse this just, just on slot against the gets past and what it, you know, they use the word humiliation. i mean, yeah it, we're standing basically side by side and blinking is called calling for some kind of uh, um, humanitarian pause, you know, more aid, and then right next soon, the prime minister bases that no, there's not gonna be any of that. i mean, just insulting your guest. okay. and then blinking just stood there and took it. let me shift over to how exams are. so we had men, yahoo said again blatantly contradicting the secretary of state blank and saying

that um uh, israel will control the security a reoccupied gaza after the conflict in the us administration and said that's not what they're angling for, but the israelis don't care. so in, again, another humiliation the united states is not leading. okay? if it was waiting, it would do it, it always did. and go back in history and look at it every single time they said there has to be a ceasefire. not this time. alexander, they are father, actually from leading any kind of political solution worldwide. we can see this and you can reach the super example from the situation and ukraine. we started, we with missing death and also now we, the situation is right now what we are in fact, witnessing presently is yes. and your receipt went on the global, new new order, the new global order making a new realignments that show and highlights the interest and better powers abroad. and following out of the usual form of a circle of power that we are used to. it is, for example,

united states and the you, they have absolutely no need for us whatsoever in this situation. the, me, the lease. so what we see is, for example, the kid doing this patient that you already imagined, but not only to get also the arab states, for example, the fragility of united states find policies in my opinion, quite heavy then from the fact that not only blinked and went to the me, the lease with nothing to walk her, but she also returned home with nothing to deliver to july. the 1st she tried to find a way actually to bring about the seats buying these are out with these railings pay and secondly, she also wanted to find a long term plan, a solution in the region, but the other countries denied this. if both of this and there was no effort to respect the right to self determination of the policy union people. and finally,

she claimed to wish to prevent the spread of the call to the entire region. but she need not attempt any abroad still here on or to has blah in the lab and on, or even the window or stand, whether it's like that would be through mental lives in the future. she's meeting with mom with that box, for example. it was quite embarrassing because yeah, we would love to find one single point when both were the green ways and my mom was i wasn't the fact that i were actually kind of a bad that's the blinking was right to use and to make, in order to have at least an actor that's good, a friend who lives more and more how much and she still failed. so indiana, i believe that it cannot help, but to conclude that blinkers of dance were a sailor and they actually showed them to expose the complete lack of a larry lack objectivity. that is not exactly a policy, rather, there is an attempt to protect these real interest at all costs and to pretend that

such interests are actually the main goal of the regional solution. yep. well, anthony, blinking and his father actually, or are deeply steeped in the design, is cause inside the united states. so hence when, when blinking arrived the 1st time he said i come here is a do which tells us a lot because we know, well whose interests are you representing here. okay. was very odd thing for a secretary state to say, you know, he, one of the interesting things also is that the entire region, you know, and we can fault the so many of the arab states for not being more outspoken about the palestinian cause over the decades but they make, well, they made it very clear to the united states is a new created this with this real, you should solve it. why are you, why are you wanting us to solve a problem that you made? you shut out here the all other players. you basically neutered the, the, the policy in the and authority. it's your problem. why should anyone helped him out? he yeah,

well i think that what they should do is they should resist us pressure to, to normalize with israel, so long as it's not even a motor come of justice for, for the policies. this isn't just the us problem with your member. of course, most people and as a, are refugees that refugees from design is ethnic cleansing, and $194748.00, which comes right out of the un partition plan, which is a very unjust a plan of basically pushed on palestinian so. so the root of this is actually goes back to the british imperialism in the region. and the balfour declaration and ethnic cleansing of 4748. but certainly, you know, in recent decades the us government with government like my, my own, the canadian government have, have been basically supporting this highly corrupt wordpress of positives already. but that is, is not easily basically acquiescing to israel's ongoing settlement expansion in the

west bank. and i, i consider the fact that a boss net was blinking. that's what we'll shoot a stain on a boss. i mean, this is a joke, this idea of a 2 state solution that the us is now going to now they start talking about, you know, the, they, they weren't, weren't talking about it at all. uh before october 7. so now if you're talking about it, but they talked about it as a way to sort of like, oh you know, what is us doing the $10000.00 word. it's going to be much more than $10000.00, but the already $10000.00 kil, uh, you know, there's going to be sort of a silver lining at the end. and that would be a 2 state solution. and you know, the p a was, will be able to take control of, of, of gaza. and this business they're talking. we are good actually of canadian, special forces on the ground. and is more and more stories including from the lead, the national coast national paper here saying that communicate in force they should be part of a post is really going on. so i don't get as, oh my god, i do it. did anybody in canada ever will that anyone in canada have a chance to vote on something like that?

but it's just the sanity. let me, we were actually coming to the break here. i'll alexander basically this at the same questionnaire is because, you know, you, anthony blanket is saying, who should role in gaza? well, what about self determination? i mean, you know, it's really, i mean, and that us supported the election back and back in 2007, 2006, and we'll and, and how else got elected? the u. s. government actually paid for that election. now they want to reset the table and decide who's going to rule and gods alexander. well, they are actually making the exactly the same mistakes as 0. israel did in the 1980 is when they tried to legitimize how my, you know, that differential lies. and that'd be good and was more powerful organization in palestine. so now they are trying to choose another actor on who they wish to invest all that not believing their money, but also they're at

a diplomatic efforts. and at the same time, they are expecting that the palestinians will only accept any kind of solution that comes from washington. so they are repeating over and over and exactly the same mistakes. and they are absolutely both thing in jeopardy, the risk, the chance of having the 2 state solution they don't believe in that suspect solution. because when, what kind of solution will they chose by, by the present? i believe that the 2 state solution will only be possible if united states were interested in force is elating israel, enforcing the country's government. whether the lab by benjamin that's on you or mike, any other leader to retreat? well, alexandra, all i can say is don't hold your breath thumbs out one. okay. alright gentlemen, we have it. we're approaching a hard break. and after that break, we'll continue our discussion on pilot site. stay with our team,

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the okay, let's go back to even in montreal. so as we approach the break, alexander was talking about the prospect of a 2 state solution when those words passed through them, blinking smiles. and i just thought you've got to be kidding me. you've got to be joking because the u. s. has backed up israel's a very right wing government for the last 10 years to make any kind of accommodation. impossible is matter of fact. that's one of the reasons why it and shame on the world's shame on all of us. i would say they'd let the palestinian issue fade away into it blew up again in october of this year. so i mean, if they're really serious about it and there's no indication that his release of ever including the current prime minister has ever been interested in that blinking it's just blowing smoke. i mean, he's buying time. i don't know what he's doing. he i think he's providing cover

for, you know, genocide on policies being waged against us. it ends in gaza and we also know not just in guys, i mean there's a 160, i think prostate has been killed in the west bank over the past month. as well so, so there is increasing is really violence and settler bivens in the west bank that, you know, as further ensuring that, that, uh is you know, any sort of policy, the state is, uh, is less than less of a possibility. um this is, this is a diplomatic cover. this is uh, you know, there's the, the national security adviser providing who, who published the piece and foreign affairs that came out 2 days before october 7th was all about how, you know, the middle east is quiet. yeah. yeah. and there's not, not a mention of the 2 state solution that it's amazing. take sullivan still has, has a job, i mean, talk about failing upward. sorry eve, again i interrupted, you keep going. know, but i mean that's the,

that's exactly it is that they have for the what i'm asked it whatever you want to say about that, it has forced, at least the rhetorical shift from the us government. now i, i don't believe it's serious and i clearly don't believe that the, the current is really government and even those sitting in the opposition are, are, are see serious about a 2 state solution. the only way this would happen is if there's a, would you related push up the road, the air world, that there's an international solidarity campaigns in europe, in north america. and, and that the us government starts ending this incredible level of financial diplomatic contribution to israel. that's the only way that you even come to a motor come of of, of justice reprocess. but what we're actually see is that discussion being mostly a cover for a genocidal policies. you know, alexandra before we started our program here we were talking

a and i pointed out to you that it's no surprise that the g 7 foreign ministers meeting in tokyo, completely back the american position, talked about the humanitarian pause. whatever that means, it means nothing to me, certainly doesn't mean anything to people in gaza and that they were against the ceasefire. but it's really interesting that the g 7, the, the pinnacle of the neo liberal world is juxtaposed to just about everybody else. what does that tell you? and by the way, why don't you throw in the ukraine angle if you can? well, actually what this means is the, i'm going to repeat what i mentioned that's plus what i said at 1st, which was, we are, that's one of the reasons why why we are witnessing to a new re shaping off the global order. we have started to watch a new, new emergency of new points of power, our centers of power. for example, if we think of the keys position, if we also think of the out of position, we see for example that, that other countries that they're going to despise,

blinking, spinning the region and re seal. so this united states find policy continues the spat. all these credit thing, among not only out of countries, but also among other voices from both from continental and regional powers that are raised more and more against the united states and not even united nations. secretary general, the battery. we've always passivity regarding gift drains abuses where he was able to avoid taking the 1st steps on, i guess, easily also, indian. what we actually watch is that we have several factors that don't have any kind of foreign policy agenda towards the, the global community as a whole. they just want to follow the footsteps of united states. and when we think about the power and what by then was able to achieve, we build this and conditional support, not only tweets rail,

but also to your brain. we say for example, new can union. we also live on that lion supporting all the same rule and all the same points that by the defense. but one of the consequences is that we have a cost and blog of independence of the united states, suffering bodies as at least the idea remains. the most of the congress and the president of the united states are totally don't mean. busy and by not only they only split the call into konami cancer these, but also, for example, what do you think of the international criminal court which actually reveal was and for all this, if it is, if it works like a proxy off the united states and at the same time you're viewing union against other focuses and other actors and powers that do not abide with your theirs mentioned during sale or by the by washington. what we see is the total complicity with what's happening in the palestine at the same time. we don't get the rest of these happening in your brain and they don't have

a way out. not only to leave your brain at least on the clean exit, but also concerning the bell to stand up. for example, the recent declarations of belgium units on you all can one saying that he will stay and that we will witness to any indefinite documentation. someone must, it must talk about the yellow front of the room and saying that this is, inc dash, actually any fashion of the fact that the territorial expansion of the bins, i mean, it's on, you know, and the same happens concerning your grain. because even towards the policy of the prey, everybody was completed with the landscape. no one there to say, you'll have to start these thoughts with the russia. so if you don't want to lose your entire country and even to lose our own respect, and could you meet with the? yeah, well that's when you hook your wagon to the, to the west like that. this is what you get here. you know, he's a, you know, this administration and watching and they really love, you know,

the rules based order and all that, you know, and it's already been pointed out here a nano 2nd. after the complex started a new crane, the i c. c went into action. but where are they for a guys? ok, they do have jurisdiction over the palestinian territories. but it does show as a kind of rank of popular see here, and it's very obvious. i mean, when blinking talks about human rights abuses in what every country that he is opposed to, it's going to be hard to take him seriously. it's always been hard to take him seriously. it just got a whole lot worse if a. yeah, for, for uh, branches from ukraine to russia that was led to charges icpc, killing 5000 children and guys, uh, now home from the i c c. um so, so you know, the hypocrisy of that is clear and its been clear for a long time, but this is exposing it and the whole world knows this, right? and it should actually say it's not just the whole world of global so, but it's actually increasing proportions of the population with in canada,

the us. yep. and i think probably european countries that also see just how, obviously hypocritical they are. i mean, the international law discussion on ukraine and they were of the pump, the book that about a lot. but the cities have international law on his side is very clear. i also want, what i mentioned is about the g 7, the canadian foreign minister, g 7. you know, she put out a treat last night where she talks about, you know, we're all in favor of visual destroying gods. i'm, we're, we're all united with ukraine and then it was like we're all pushing for peace and in the pacific, which is of course, a code word for actually we're all trying to, yes, stuck a war with trying to, uh, over taiwan or potentially sell strategies. and this is where this is where the, i mean, this is what, like the canadian foreign ministers going along with this. this is a,

this is totally insane. a geo political kind of a project of, you know, we'll, we'll just hope for war everywhere. and this is, this is where it is, the leadership of, of the g 7, the nato, and obviously led by like, by washington. uh, are, you know, i would send you or one of the more incipient elements of what's going on. and i'm glad you brought up about how publics feel in the west about that criminal, you know, you know, everybody knows i'm a conservative. so conservative is an american saying free speech, free speech. it's always they. liberals that are always frustrating. crazy. now now on this issue there crush a free too much speech. if you're, if you're pro palestinian your pro hum us what, okay, this is what they're doing. so this issue not only complicates and, and goes against international law. it goes against basic principles like freedom of speech. go ahead. alexander. yes. and if you want to speak about international law and violation of international law, well, let's 1st start with the director self determination and by don't cheer. absolutely no one in the west, not only in united states,

but also in your in union. for example, mentioning the right yourself with every nation of the most you need be fully. it's, it has to be violated for at least a century after the bulk or declaration it has been over and over being repeatedly violated. but not only that, but also if we think about the sacraments policy that's actually being pursued by not only presently but for decades by these riley power, with the complicity of the western powers. we watched basically and presently that for example, nathaniel's goal is to follow exactly the same policy that these rail already has for the west bank with the logistics position. it's brendan of several months and total control for the territory that slowly a search itself actually being israel and, and not just sign of this, is are the efforts not only to push the palestinian population into egypt,

but also the clear policy. what the goal here for an example of tony. unfortunately, booking several liter buick. in countries this is a policy all flipped part of things together. street that is being pursued in order to eliminate any kind of chair. so like into the system there. so i have alexander, let me jump in here, let me give you the last 30 seconds. we're running out of time. go ahead. the last 30 seconds on your on sunday in calgary, a organizer for the demonstration was arrested for leading a chad from the river, tennessee. palestine will be the, there's this push to even make the policy and slay a hate symbol. some of these right wing are a national post called this whole post to suppress a discussion. and that's because they know full well that people are doing something they see the images of children being being slaughtered in gaza and they're not okay with it and that, and that's the right human response. and so, so there's a real effort to suppress. uh well i, i really like i said,

that's the right human response and that's why we have to be, we have to be a moral compass to let that come out. naturally gentleman, that's all the time we have. i want to thank my guest in montreal and elizabeth, and of course i want to thank our viewers for watching us here at r t c. and next time, remember the the who seemed rom, just to see power

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