the united states, particularly from the conservatives in, in washington. why the secretary defense doesn't order uh, aircraft to go ahead and hit the roof the where those missiles are being shut from . so instead they're hitting a dumps and modems and what have you. uh it, but uh, if you, if it, if us troops are going to be actually killed, i think you're gonna see a serious escalation. i bother united states. the problem here is that the us troops have not been invited into syria. is about a 1000, you know, another 2500 who had been invited into iraq, neighboring iraq, and the a what a called iran controlled or, or influenced, malicious in iraq are the ones who are shooting that to us. where us military

personnel located you. whether it's in a rock or in, in syria, and this is going to be another point of escalation potential escalation, uh, they, they are increasing as of now on a daily basis. okay, we're gonna leave it there. mike, i'm a former senior security policy analyst and the the, and the office of the secretary of defense. thank you so much for your insight. thanks for having me. are right. i love that is the news for now, but up next on direct impact. rick sanchez and his guests discuss the history of the gaza. isabel complex and light remains hot topic today the the hardest buddy i'm or 2 interests. i've been doing

news for 30 years now to languages all over the world. here in the us interviewed for us. presidents worked for us, major television networks. i don't like what they do by the way. so you, i think news should be honest and direct and impactful. this is direct impact the i want to start with this. the look at that. you see that those are the voices, the voices of thousands of young people inside the united states, protesting a grand central station in new york city. most of them are jewish by the way, and they're calling for a cease fire in the middle east. the group voices for peace, has been staging many protests against israel's treatment of palestinians in the

past. and now of what, why is this video so important? why do i take this video some part? well, i'm gonna come back to that as we move onto the show. but i want to start with this . last week. i tried to break down for you the genesis of these really conflict with palestinians. i showed you how it all standards from the battle for a cord, which is how the british one day decided that the people who lived in palestine had to leave to make room for a european jews. and that is when it all actually began right. of course, we also know, and we pointed out how since then there had been all types of bottles and brew haws, many of which have allowed both sides to point fingers at the other and say it's, you know, this is your fault. only to hear, no, it's yours, your fault. and now we come to this. now we cover the situation we're seeing now what we, what we seem to be on,

on the brink of something that could get really nasty, really quick. and i'm not talking about another. so called middle east conflict between israel and the palestinians, as we've often covered them and called the no no what we're talking about now is a potential theater of war that could involve the military might of many, many powerful countries like the united states, the u. k. and canada, on one side, iran, turkey, saudi arabia, pakistan, and practically every single era country on the other. as to what countries like china, india, and russia are going to do it. and if there's a total escalation, my god, we can only guess. now last week, we had a couple of guests on here to talk about the history of this conflict on the debate and sued right away, right? you probably watched it. it was to say the least if you haven't seen it, you would discover extremely passionate. as putting

a modeling what that showed us is just how difficult it is to have an objective, unemotional conversation. just just to have a conversation regarding this issue. even when we're talking about history, which you would think most people could generally agree on write something happened on such and such a date. so now what, what we're going to do is we're going to bring back those guess conservative radio host, steve malls berg, who is a firm defender of israel, dr. norman finkelstein, who was an equally firm and in his defense of the palestinians. but before we do that, i'd like to catch you up on the news. israel and the government of bb, nathan, yahoo! appear ready to use this. a force of biblical proportion. i don't use that word by coincidence, by the way. that is how nathan yahoo is framing it, and his war cabinet, they're describing their actions in that way,

which is only adding by the way, gasoline to this fire, because now you have both sides saying that somehow god is only on their side, which means they're killing in god's name, that's not good. that's not good. to be clear, there is general agreement that because of what, how much did there needed to be some kind of retribution? maybe their group needed to be eradicated home, us, even arab leaders that agreed with that notion. the problem is the campaign to eradicate him off is now apparently turned into what appears to be a campaign to eradicate the entire 1000 population by sending troops in the northern guys while effectively impacting a bombing campaign that has already killed more than 3 times the number of people that were killed by how mosse summer saying 3000 children have been killed in guns already. 3000 children. most of these people are civilians, including women and the elderly. i think this,

this heavy handed strategy is making even those who feel bad for is real now see them as offenders, because the notion of collective punishment, collective punishment. it just doesn't cut it in that region of the world. why? why? because for too long. nothing in this conflict has ever happened in a vacuum being well, our country's government appears to be giving israel a blank check to do as they please with the palestinians. and that unconditional us support is not going over well, not at all in their work. this is what we used to do in these conflicts back in the 19 ninety's when washington had technological, military and geo political super. you're superior already in the region. but here's

the problem. that is not the case today, not really yet the bottom administration. you know, a guy who has worked from the 19 forties and fifties in his thinking, the bottom administration is implementing the same cold war initiatives that are likely to create a more dangerous conflict. in fact, american forces, in places like syria and the rocks are continuing to be attacked, and us military has even shut down a turkish drone. that's an ominous undertaking. considering turkey is a nato country with an impressive if not ferocious military, which is now clearly on the side of the palestinians. so our government continues to tell israel, do whatever you need to do. we got your back, quote, we got your back. now what that really has come to maine is we will keep writing you huge checks, right? the problem is there isn't enough money to go around these days, certainly not the fund, israel's military, in an escalating war,

while also funding taiwan while also fighting funding ukraine. economists who point to the us debt problems say that's impossible yet here we are on the verge of engaging in what is almost sure to become a devastating regional conflict that could lead to i'm just going to say it. world war 3 and most in washington are barely even considering that potential outcome y o in march less than in mart, in large measure. it's because our media has become a cheerleading team. they don't ask questions. they're supposed to be asking. now when it comes to the coverage of the palestinians point of view it's non existent, the. so let's go back down. remember this image i showed you at the top of the show were thousands, were seen protesting for peace. most of them jewish americans, by the way,

i checked and it appears that cnn didn't even cover it because it doesn't fit their pro war narrative the. that is why we're about to show you something i'm confident you won't see on any other news network. but we're about to do here is an actual debate with both sides of this minis. conflict represented as opposed to just the point of view of israel. steam walls berg is a popular radio talk show host, who i've known for years. doctor norman finkelstein is an active as an author whose books include gaza, an inquest into martyrdom, saves you are being perceived as someone who is not concerned. and this should be obviously a very important concern for all of us as americans, that we could be on the brink of all out war with iran, at least if we hear the rhetoric both from washington and from tehran,

not to mention the shooting, going back and forth he says, dr finkelstein, that is the israeli is go in full force with troops into the palestinian areas. there is no question that not just iran, but other arab countries will be involved and that will conflict great. this more. how concerned are you about that? or, of course it's, it's very concerning. but you know, i take pride when a nazi supporter calls me names. i love it, i wear it as a badge of honor and thank you. keep doing it, sir. luck. of course i as i'm tom, hope you think anybody wants war, anybody wants the us to get involved? anybody wants world war 3. but the bottom line here is, is that israel cannot allow more butchering, not see. what's your in unprecedented since world war 2, the butchering of their citizens. you know,

their hallmarks is holding 9 month old babies and 90 year old women right now in tunnels somewhere. israel cannot allow this to happen again, and by the way, the world can allow it to happen because of we now start saying, well, if you have human shields, right, god forbid someone comes into your home, okay. and they're good and they got guns. would you happen to have people in your home with guns ok and these people say ok to kill your children, but they have babies or, or women in front of them with the people protecting your home in your home. not protect, not fire at the people came into your home because they might kill a civilian who is in front of them. you do want to operate like no, and she does like that. just print fast. so part doctor for go start. what do you sorry, my, what? what do you the me ask you the question?

let me ask you a question and i'll try and phrase it as fairly as i can. what do you say to steve and others who say we have a right to defend ourselves because of the atrocity uh that was done to our civilians, our citizens, by how mos. what do you say to that? as i say, israel has the right to the center, so asper, it opens up the gates of going so the concentration can, but so long as those gates are shopped into point, as they have been since 2006 are, do not believe guards, how the rate of self service in the face of a concentration can, i don't think the dog sees has the right of self defense. if there were an insurrection in our insurance or any of the other concentration curves. rick,

at the shop, really rate that you're putting up with all the concentration. now wrap. not only do you all read the, we've written loudly, egypt, the 1000 flows by 200. if you guys are close. yeah. do you believe that you believe garza is a constant traction camp or the day to over and over and over? i don't get it. the doctor got finish up the side of metal. i'm going to give you a chance to respond to a most the but know i'm a tell. i'm a page. what happened on october 7th? but you know, lot, you know what the people and how much do they do and what is real, periodically does incarcerated very abroad. the more you hear, the way you might inspire and grad stops the expression.

and so i don't find any disgusting. the searing expression is used by the is really ferment. yeah. okay. i use the disk on your gentleman word to to one of the top dr. bottom started a lot of the not true, but let's do that. now let's, let's do this. we have a different grid. the gentleman actually cabinet is really when the, when i say we're only waiting though it's, it's okay. so let's have, let's, let's do this doctor for 1000000 children. and you and your little boy and says you're 1000000 showed your point, is that fair?

want to add an accurate on? there are a 1000000 children in that area. the question is, and this is what i want to talk about when we come back from the break. and steve, i want you to start us off here. you've heard discharge many times. the treatment that is riley's due to palestinians living in these areas like the gaza, is oppressive, is wrong. this is not a charge that i'm making. it's been made by human rights groups. it's been made by palestinians. it's been made by many. what do you believe is the way for the treatment of those people by it as well? i think that's a fair question. that's what i want you to take on. when we come back, i'm talking to steve mazda parts and dr. norman finkelstein and we are going to be right back by the. busy we'll continue this conversation with you as well. go to twitter and you'll find me there and rick sanchez, tv or x or whatever they call it these days. i'm looking forward to having that

conversation with you. and when we come back, of course, the very latest on the us military's engagement in this complex and what it means for the future of the region stay right there will be right back with my 2 very passionate guests, the the, [000:00:00;00]

the on the right. welcome back. we are joined by our expert panel once again. doctor norman, single sign, and steve malls for gentleman walk. the doctor finkelstein has used the words repeatedly, concentration camp when referring to the treatment of palestinians. um, it's obviously heated language, but he's not the only one who's used it. i should be fair and mentioned that steve, if you take umbrage at that terminology, it's not just your words, but your reaction is i'm watching your x. it could be cause rick because rick it's,

it's not only disrespectful insensitive, and it's insane. okay, a o. c, a congresswoman here in new york from the, in the, in the united states said that our border, we were keeping our, the, the illegal immigrants to come into the country in concentration camps. the left likes to throw it around. now when you show me the gas chambers and the ovens and the skeletons and the star ration in the forced labor, and the lamp shades made from the skin of those people that were in the real concentration cast run by the nazis. then we could talk, but to throw that around casually because you hate jews and you hate is real. if i try to ignore them so. so how would you tell you so then how is your problem? so let me ask you, i think this is something our viewers are going to want to hear from you. how would you then characterize the way the palestinians are forced to live by

a country they say is occupying them? there again does. how would you categorize it? is that occupying them and guys, the big is real left. garza is real. dave garza to the palestinians, is real what and they left on the way out left greenhouses. infrastructure, all kinds of things to give the palestinians a head start. what's the 1st thing? literally they did tort. everything is real left down and celebrated over as they tore it all down, left themselves with nothing and then elected a terrorist group to represent them and run the territory. the terrorist group then did terrorists like things and always has, why do you think egypt has their border with gaza close? so would you say, oh we thought we'd just do that so yeah, so what do you talk about israel? and i know was talking about israel right now. well,

obviously be the 2 integrity. so would you say, would you say give me a word, give me a description. the treatment of israel toward palestinians and gaza is what described is justified for self defense. try to okay. just a moment, let me tell you what that is real today. reveal the evidence that hamas is main headquarters in gaza. mm hm. is located under the sheep up hospital that's for the animals of hamas. are they use their people as human shields? they want them dead, so they could score public relations points, but that's the kind of animals we're dealing with. okay, dr. finkelstein your response. okay. is it a historical question? and then there's the factual question of today. historical question. ready is in

2006 that these were almost draw some guys. in fact, israel re deployed its troops on the tower. there are guys of, in israel control, the air space is real control. the water is really controlled. every thing that went into gosh, every thing that was all the guys to know to get to the current situation, i was referred to the animals. how exactly are we referring to? we know for sure. do you go, israel's president mr. herd side said on the 2nd day on october a you said we do not make a distinction between hallmark and the civilian population. there are

no just saying he was right in our on the point there is nobody and nobody in the official position of i don't know how they're shown the 5 year old in dogs. so i have marsh miller to, according to nobody really bad. they pulled a crack. don't do all of crap the finishes point, and then i'll, i'll give you time to start while grab, since you're not committing any longer any. so any electricity. and i need to know what sprinted target of terms minus the log of the 2nd day. it's the optics stuff, nation not get it so you know i've, it's done and very she against the people of god. so i would like any other taste there. are you i'm aware of?

there was probably are nouns. every senior is really of the show. we're not distinguish between all good and he's what were your letters large? so let me ask you it so so, so, so, so want to know better than that. well, what i know is that when i have to guess, i should give them both their piece and you have an opportunity now to essentially counter what he just said. there has been a lot of heated rhetoric though, from both sides, including from his re leaves who i've said some pretty awful things about palestinians in general. do you cop to that? and if not steve to teach us what the powers, what i'm sorry, the teacher you need to be. he said, every government official said there's no difference. that is the complete antithesis is sitting there and lying. yeah. no. is it? i don't know, is it that sounds like, but the defense official did say some pretty blasphemous things about the problem,

the i r j and rick rick. imagine after they speak and separate the heads of babies . he said some pretty tough things. okay, i'm ok. wow. the emotions got caught up in him, but look at what they're doing. they still haven't gone in on the ground this lie or says there's been no full board or fuel by blocks. they're a big trucks coming in. now the reason is real doesn't allow all the fuel is because from us we'll take the fuel, they run the government, they run garza and they'll steal the fuel and they'll use it for all kinds of weapons purposes. their animals do their animals, they don't care about the civilians, the land, right. even though the trucks have been coming in, which is a life of answers, the lie to what this guy just said, that none have they have easy or hard to be very careful about what they allow you to know as the, if you want to clarify something, dr finkelstein go ahead, a kerry, sorry,

not to the persons that were exerted on israel. i was referring to the statements that were made the day after october 7th, is you, i guess your after reading is really talking points isn't going to 9, nothing defense minister said there will be no food, no water, no fuel, and no electricity allow them to gossip is important, i have no idea what the immediate, after all i have noticed is the car. so you asked a question about the saw person heard side said the 2nd day, we will not distinguish between mas. okay, the ready want me to answer. oh no, i went. oh, assuming question. it's a simple question, go ahead. yeah, i used to not water electricity and the full as you know,

towards the population for sustained the car. because you all went down the 2nd day. this was going to be the longest more. the last year was in 2014 at 631 days and your questionnaire was mine. this is for the last 31 days. you divide the full electricity bill for $51.00 plus there. what happens? that's a question. that's if the dr. finkelstein genocide to you, steve, you have to answer that charge. you're down, we're down to a minute, my friend. well, 1st of all that, that is not happen because they are, there are trucks coming in. that's number one. number 2, uh, that's come off when how much gets out about how much less people leave. the people

could wave israel says egypt cut off the border and peg them. mm hm. a boss vulnerable, wait, a mosque won't allow it. so screw me up and it's their problem and therefore, and with that we have to end the discussion. it's a passion and one at that. and obviously some very important points and some heated words have been used in this discussion. but that's the state of things as they are . i want to thank you, dr. norman finkelstein, as well as steve malls berg for sharing this combat of passionate but important debate that we were able to bring you. my thanks to you both. before we go, i want to remind you of our mission here. what we try and do with this show is simply to de silo the world. we all tend to think that we only live in one little box and we only get information about our particular point of view. we think it's important

that there should be more than one point of view. truth doesn't live in boxes. truth is everywhere. comic sanchez, i'll be looking for it and i'll be looking for you again right here where i help to provide a director of the the

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