the welcome to worlds of parts in all amber hammock religions deport personality of violence isn't major tenant, and today's is no exception. in fact, according to the total dig interpretation, the 2nd temple was destroyed exactly as a punishment for gratuitous hatred, which was again just to be driving a bounce in the middle east. because religious or perhaps political ideas offered any response from the bloodshed and retaliation engulfing the colon. we'll discuss it. i'm now joined by ramsey. the room with a non resident senior research follow the center for as long and global affairs at east timble design university. dr. berth, it's great to talk to thank you very much for being available. essentially for having that look to be rude. i just use this term, the holy lands, which many people today associated with the state of israel. but historically, as i'm sure, you know, if it refers to the entire area between the media to rainy and see the eastern bank of the jordan river,

which includes the palestine. this is where i want to start. what is palestine to you at this point because it's not this fade, and yet it's not fully devoid all states structures or a phantom of a state. so what is it? so of course that has to be is how this time was on its way to becoming a nation state in the modern sense. but there was a destruction that has happened, particularly when britain in 1917, also be sunk on the bus for declaration on the bus for promise has granted a israel to design is movement. and in doing so, creating this destruction in the historical cycle. at this time was becoming a steve like all other states in the region, but that date and the events that relate to the equation is, will between 1917 and 19 going to change this dynamics entirely. so

a bit more than by the city and state and the mother of danielle struggle is really essentially a political struggle. nothing you really just struggled with ease of correcting the course of history to deviate to because of the british colonial has a empower response and it's inception. and the grand thing of i respond to these i this moment in the last 3 years. and it was there is this expression hope died last and it's usually interpreted as something very aspirational. and the other thing it also reflects the very dark connection between whole and death. because a promise was realization is denied continuously is bound to leave to the very opposite of hope, which is range, malice, despair, revenge. how much do you think this suspended, cold have to do with what's happening in, in gaza today? right, so there has really been periods of order just to even watch icons. you know,

that indeed there was this kind of collective sense of despair and this collective sense of despair follow political promises. the total for example, after the madrid negotiations of 1991 after the also quotes in 1993. this problem is that everything is going to be ok. our people are going to be ok. is it always stop building supplements? and there would be a palestinian state and to even make it more difficult for that's good. let's do spend a sydney and hope is that they gave us, you know, symbols slab and actually, and some membership has various international distribution. so we're national team became an actual football team that is competing in the big so, so for the, so on. and that kind of body with that since of hope is indeed something real tangible is happening. but for a political point to view the exact opposite has happened,

the number of joys stuck in this triple the number that has to be a skilled, triple the number of books. oh, the joys federalist move to. the westbank, contrary to international law, has increased initially. so that you will have this condo home peril, we gotta use where we are feeding on hope. nothing is really happening on the ground. and that the sense of despair that we have seen during the 2nd in the fall, the and the suicide bombing put on me. and i don't have that number. do you think that was a conscious strategy or do you think that was, you know, something you know, the hardest reality that did not facilitating the finding of, of a compromise because americans liked to say that, you know, perception is reality increasing. there wasn't a conscious attempt to create that perception while denying, realize it reality or doing that just the way history develop. it just sort the former, not the last or, and we know that because for, for rational reasons, i mean, you can't find supplements and legal stuff in. that's your account fun because what

you need me to tell you was $3800000000.00 a year. and at the same time as the most by the study of rights in the areas that are being appropriated by the southern or live industry and people's rights to exist when you are funding the very minute. sorry, that's just dividing them that that's what i think just so there was obviously something political and it was a perception that the americans were trying to market the americans. i'm very good with brandy. so if you really created this brand as the sword, thus brand, and they decided that you agree with this plan, you're a radical, you're a terrorist, some besides their, your and the american and you don't want peace. but also there are actual statements made by the lives of uh, what is the last name example, who was uh, the, uh, uh, an adviser, adviser diploma. is what department are ill? sure. who, who made it very clear in 2005, that we are studying palestinians,

the idea that there would be a state and there will be no, there will be no stay. there will be a peace process. but to the contrary, what we are trying to say, and this is what you mean, the apologies necessary, not only interpretation, we want to buy the stimulus on a die if you said, but we don't want the killed. i think for anyone who has even the most basic understanding of collective psychology, it's pretty obvious that guys, it has become a very dangerous human experiment because it is bound to produce a radicalism and resistance. and do i think human terrorism as a, as a natural way of opposing a person who cannot deny dignity to you know, it's a successive generations of people for it, way too long. i mean, then i wonder what do you think these railey and perhaps in western leadership counted on? do they truly believe in your view that they can sort of seal these problem off in their her medic, session 2 things. number one,

the is what you guys are living i to the civic, the media that you have on media is what you, the media. it is hold on a different to the are aware like for example, the home to the term. that's what happened on october 7 was approval. it actually has internalizes the they made it made on the spring that's holds your patient part time sieges mass because coming was biden's. the nation instead of 2022 was the most by that if you're in the west, texas to, to 2004 and then thank you back again. it is a 2023 by 21. it was the most violent view of the westgate since $2005.00. they don't wanna create a different story because it has already been declared and habitable by the united nations is them years ago. but in the minds of the is what it is because of the propaganda, the husband is where you need it. it's completely unprovoked. we have no idea why these people hate us so much. that's a problem in the american media. it's

a different story. the american media, they have established this connection with what is what else is doing, as well as the read democracy. the only democracy in the middle east of israel presents the hopes and dreams of the great western civilization. and there are fighting a war against islam a 3rd. and there's little difference between isis and how much time so organ, so on. so the americans have a different layer of indoctrination that makes them blind at least made the same media environment, concrete, the, blind to the price of the city as over the course of 75 years. now this 75 here is living under conditions. most of us would recognize it's highly dramatic. i think there is no dispute about it. it's, it's bound to produce collective trauma. so let me ask you a hypothetical question here because it's easy to blame is real and the americans in the west. but do you think the so called the allies or supporters of the palestinian people would actually impracticality welcome

a workable solution because when you deal with so many people who have been troubled psychologically economically logistically and all the possible way, inducing the neighbors of palestine would actually one to see free and existing as a, as a state. right? so there are 2 different types of neighbors. oh, kind of cities, most very good neighbors. i don't want to go into specifics to and you know, to distract from the conversation. but these are the american olives and the work to the agenda to accommodate 2 elements. number one, they don't want too much trouble amongst their own people. the holes, maybe even minutes a cause and there's some serious spears. i think couple of these are countries. there is some way that there can be a mandatory cool if palestinians are continued to be slow, so that the site, but they will also wanting to accommodate the american tasks and they want to stay on the what side of washington, the really my, their own risk i mean like in practical terms that are also understandable,

this is a valid political motivation. that's why i'm asking the same question. do you think they actually won the resolution of the palestinian nature? because as inhumane as it seems right now, it seems to be keeping believe in place and making sure that the region is not troubled anymore. then i think it's kind of depends what's kinda on the kind of solution we're talking about is kind of students are in indeed rented a minimal definition of justice as you know, as a city and state that may be a step towards a future or above. so the ration or, or one state where people can follow, come and go have, we don't have political rights can vote. i don't see why this would be a problem for jordan or egypt, or anyone to the contrary is going to open up the space for not just from socio economic equality and the region. what's for economic prosperity as well? the americans have the keys to all of this. the americans don't want to do it,

even though it's actually by not doing it in this device. the regions of the americans want stable, but they're not doing it because there's a far wide government and as well. and that is what you just don't want any cause or visit lucian. that seems contrary to whatever ultimate goal they haven't thought of. but now you have written recently that one take away from this crisis is the guy that has ended the secretary and the war in the, in the middle is that, you know, regardless of whether people are sunni, identify themself, the sunni or she or they tend to support the well the policy and cost it down to resent what is being uh, so what are the guys that people are being subjected to? do you think that kind of effect could be lasting? and perhaps even game changing because i mean, and policies very natural at this point of time. but is it enough to move the situation from where it has been for many, many decades assigned to the american program in the middle east is situated with

them. division, divide and conquer is as simple as that. i remember when the americans invaded the rock in 2003 they, they intentionally divide it logged into. she has the one so nice only. everybody knows that even though i visited the lot prior to that, and i didn't really see misconduct, step to your cost, but so ugly it happening on a daily basis for the 1st time says the american invasion of the lot. back then until today i have not seen, for example, in egypt, some of the protesters chatting the names of housing as well as she either he been a is protesters, she approved this, there's something the names of some of the are leaders. we're having a business, complete the adult temper with isn't enough to console and then got into something tangible into tangible, political solutions that will change that destiny on the policy and people rather than simply being used for political purposes in those in those countries. and

that's the struggle, and that's the struggle. and that's what we're gonna start seeing manifest in the coming era, the americans. and this is what you use and the allies want the region to be pro. is that exactly where it is? because it's of the interest, there is another town hall as well. uh, yeah. man, uh, palestine specific sections. okay. this thing has decided the elsewhere that is trying to create a new political paradigm. and i think the outcome of this part of the is going to change that you can ethics of the music use itself, but also the music is visa, the mule politicos. actors of whether be a restaurant site. that's ok. and i'll look how about looking for let me stop you right here. we will talk about how exactly that could manifest in a couple of minutes. but for now, stay tuned. the there's no end and stride over how you're going to continue to destroy the or

excuse the case for the med, most of the people. i tried to go to the gym, but i'm certainly not ready to fight russia. this is also of soon. this is the 3rd world lunacy re washington, as close to the funder line, likes to say, we have the tools while we just start with stability and business deals to living on that. we have a very good propaganda. you know, a price here in new york. i think we don't know the aftermath any time that you're not allowed to ask questions, you should ask all of the questions. the more questions ask, the better the answers will be. take a fresh look around. there's a life kaleidoscopic, isn't just a shifted reality distortion by tell us tired vision with no real opinions. fixtures designed to simplify will confuse who really would say better wills, and is it just as a chosen for you, fractured images,

presented as 1st. can you see through their illusion going underground? can the welcome back towards the portsmouth ramsey by route and residence senior research follow as a center for as long on global affairs at symbols. i'm university dr. brewer, and before the break we started talking about the american role in this whole conflict. and you wrote recently that the guys, that issue has become quite a liability for the bite and administration and the democratic party more broadly that this rhetorically say create bond between israel and the united states is becoming more of a jewel political bondage. uh for the americans, do you seeing that this inner pressure or they just come for the bond and

administration may feeling the issue, may lead to some converse pressure on the not in the whole government because let's face it, the americans can be privy a roof less even than that on allies, one, their own american interest are affected on are so many moving pieces here as well, is now going back to the status of the client's reaching, which is really interesting. this is a conversation we've had regarding the music is for many years is with all the clients with gym or is the as they say that team is lacking, is wagging the dog. and i think there's a struggle now we're still in israel. it's so are a free them, they have been saying this out loud, including come are via and others within the right we or far right government that we are going back to that kind of stuff is where the america's telling us was due to the are those who are still insisting that israel has not lost it's political

power, influence and credibility, and we made our own decisions. so i think one of the moving pieces is that, well, that is what you just find himself going back to the 19 and he hasn't even earlier or the americans. steve is what you do, policies in the middle east, or will they continue this new empowered approach where they are to decide those are the words of george w bush back in the day. so that's one of the pieces. the other one is, how will this more affect that relationship between the democratic party, especially the rank and file, with the needs who are still very kind of die hard, something which is kind of the we're going to see this thing coming elections. and we are beginning to see changes happening in terms of numbers, especially with younger democratic voters who are making goals and palestine and showing their perception of bite. and now, uh, i'm joining you from most going here in russia. we have this cliche, the americans are always trying to impose their solutions on to everybody else. but

in order to impose solutions, you have to have them a full stop. do you think the american, the current, the american administration even has an idea of how they can try to approach this very combustible issue? because if they only want to use it for political purposes, for appearances, you still need to offer something on the. the tricia seems to be so dire that it's very hard to understand where even to start the what to exploit. and this is one of the unprecedented outcomes of what's happening right now. we've gone to how we feel that that's what took place on october 7th and, and, and, and the legitimacy or laughter or so the 1st on many years in which the americans are not the ones who have taken the initiative. we all know now you'll make lands famous book, the font doctrine, and the idea that you just go and you just take advantage of that existing disaster

or you can pause when i'm at 5 to leave, organize the pieces to fit your foreign policy. i tried the best find the americans were taken by surprise as much as that is what it is worth. taking by surprise. but what anthony, blinking other american fish on j solid. when all the rest are trying to do here, they are pretending that nothing has changed, but they are in fact the ones in charge. the g 7 is holding me things to talk about the future of garza with come as, as if they have been the ones who created this whole scenario. and the are the only ones who are capable of implementing the outcome of this scenario. and this is the biggest political crisis, i think for the americans in a long time. and the middle east is that there's of your reality that's imposed on them are against the are still trying to kind of show results and the are in charge book an actual entity. we are no longer the ones in the leadership position and they don't know where the outcome is going to. i want to ask you uh, one uh, religious or political question here because they have been some recent studies

that i read recently. that israel permanent jewish businessman through all the 20th century house, sought to essentially intertwine religious and political discourse. particularly restoring the united states and particularly among the so called zine is christians, making them believe that the 2nd coming of christ is intrinsically linked to the political state of israel. and um, you know, they and then this is a very um, you know, 10 years connection because if people vote in favor of, you know, supporting the military and government in, in a different land because of, uh, that will view you know, that could create uh, a lot of problems and americans aren't as we know of, you know, still very powerful player. how, when do you think about it? do you think that problem hasn't been given enough attention and the political implications of using the religious and this course for creating support for it is

around you and how come us senators, quoting for really just more or saying this is that really just work is 35, because you're not, no longer talking about or you know, people within that stablish, mental health kind of semester ideas. know your talking about people within government and we know that that is what you just have already at least the conclusion that it is that really just warranty made that very clear. and those who are being sold for the rest of us as margaret or students are as soon as weight and positive, they are using very biblical language. as in turning goals are to ashes. eradicating the kind of, i mean tiny, find terrifying that we know that this must be differentiated from the language that is used by, by it is let me put it to go. force has composite stineman. this is quite a complicated show. i just want to kind of highlight to things, so you sometimes can be used as a ford where you go and destroy and kill in the name of god. and sometimes these

can be used as a shield. and we see this with palestinian most of us, but christians. i mean we have seen a christian last. i mean a christian church, a christian hospital being destroyed, then we have seen that. what do you mean? anything from the christian connecting garza is very face oriented to receive themselves asked us to be as far as the christian 2nd. so this is different and, and this whole idea of the are actually put fighting religious fundamentalism. the sad reality is the exact opposite. it is also on the bike to or palestinians walk by using this rather just fundamental isn't and it's, and we are using face as a way to st. stay strong under the harshest of circumstance. now in your work for, for this center uh for as long and global affairs, i'm sure you're quite familiar with this course of how potentially dangerous political as long could be. i mean, a couple of years ago, it was a very popular topic. but do you see any difference between political as long and

let's say political zionism, and in this particular case, yes, of course, and here i am, i am excluding groups that could be directly or potentially manipulated and used by western governments to see political agendas. and so you or elsewhere, not going to talk about these guys. and i, i'm also excluding groups that and by the way, those guys are usually turn the terrors. by the way, i mean, like the prices, for example, wasn't brand of terrorism. even though they were a political the, as long as been some sense. exactly. i mean, that's the name of the game. you know, you're kind of create or many people to give this space to set themselves to operate as so you save your serve your interest. and at the same time, you dump them with all sorts of things. so in order for you to create this or to present yourself as a savior, humanity, but the group such as the, like, like how much impact is time and see all those in the region. the or non state

actors by the operate with a national bank because they don't footprint beyond national boundaries. so if you don't have a, just this mission, the rate a spam, you know, and bring the spin back to the baseline, the kingdoms of angels or restore the cain if they are not in any way interested or involved in that kind of political discourse. and unless you understand that, you would easily fall into the trouble, the american propaganda, the probably button is how much, how much is it? says isis is a card and so forth. and so the, a lot of people in the us because they don't allow us to use an honest conversation about these issues and mainstream media. a lot of people are buying into this and they are behaving as indeed how most, and i says are the same for the different you mentioned has bola and how mazda and correct me if i'm wrong with our thing, has ball of was uh, pretty much um empowered by the is really competing against the pillow. where's

come i us is a direct creation. all file for israel, i because, and from what i understand initially it was created as a civil service group and it only through the deck and so far denying dignity into their power. steering and people that it turned into what it turned to do you think there won't be any in public, but at least in toronto analysis on the part of these really special services on american special services about them. you know, the kind of groups that they read and what is actually supporting this resistance among the posting is that it's not about the concrete group, but rather about the conditions on the ground or some guy who is extensive. in fact, i wrote a book about this is about the promised, and i wouldn't say it was created as much as it is where it is kind of hard to put bodies, go to store for the experiments as they continue to doing drugs in the west bank again, by giving you little bit of space for a certain point, it took a rival to roll with the whole degree. it's fiction and they create

a civil wars and that sort of thing. but indeed, this is what happened of jamal this. let me it is that it was the, the, the kind of the 4 runner of how most in gaza and they were involved in cultural programs, universities, us, because charities. but when you are dealing with a restaurant, organizational, but any calling is brand new or m e. o. otherwise as that dresser, society is part of the struggle against occupation. i guess i'll part time naturally the are going to themselves mothers to be part of that moment. so we have the is what it is intended or didn't, and i really don't think they did a how much has with, on become the main resistance platform for palestine in garza. and in fact, at this point in the west bank as well. now it's thinking about resistance and my question may come across as very arrogant, but i do ask it out of the emphasis on the sympathy with the palestinian people.

because when you leave in the, under the spirit of resistance and in the conditions of occupation for so long, i think the task of governing becomes very challenging. i mean, it's a very challenging, right back even for the most um, you know, developed nations. but i assume it's, it's, it's a if wouldn't be a very hard challenge for the people of palestine. do you think they're still capable of from cooperating and running themselves? no, just resisting the imaginative on this part of the circumstances. a goal is have government living under total seats. i told a political i solutions managed to actually govern garza under the circumstances. i know it, so you're not going to talk about the perfect scenario yet. but they actually did manage to govern garza to some extent, under all of this. i think, yes, i think the are more than capable of doing so. but is the external passions that

make sense? so impossible. like right now, 60 percent of goals that has been either 40 or partially destroyed. it's going to take the last number i heard a few days ago. that is going to take about $3000000000.00. but now we might be looking at a 4 or $5000000000.00 to govern garza the to, to bring, want 30 to process a brief 40 into gaza because of the pressure bite as well. and the last states, how are the, you know, are going to be responsible for rebuilding garza and bring them all this money and, and so just they are capable of doing so if the external pressures allow good or is up enough for the building of glasses or to take well, compared with it's very dark, know they have to leave it there. thank you very much for sharing your insights with us today. thank you for having. i'm thank you for watching hope to see her again. when it was a part of the

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the headline stories this or the lives of 2 published indian babies or losses due to a power outage of gas is the largest hospital according to local officials, outside of israel steps off base bombardment, brandon's agent, the leaders of muslim countries, galvan and saudi arabia to condemn the war with some long time arrivals preaching as part of a newly unified from against western support for the criminal has become the judge and the faith has become the ruler. this is the current state of the west. it is a shame that the western countries, which always talk about human rights and freedoms, remain silent in the face of the ongoing massacres. bell this time must have raleigh's for a cease fire. and.