the of the hello and welcome across stock were all things are considered and peter level with western elite spear most is losing control of the narrative, free thinking citizens threatening their power and legitimacy. an example of this today is how alleged anti semitism has been weaponized, criticism of israel or design is and is deemed a sock. drive the to discuss these issues and more, i'm joined by my guess in mirror cash. we have martin jay, he's an award winning journalist and commentator, and in budapest we cross the george semi wiley. he's a pod cast or at the goggle, which can be found on youtube and locals, or a gentleman crossed up rules and back. that means he can jump any time you want, and i always appreciated head start out with george in budapest. so george explained to our audience, how criticism is

a israel is anti semitism because i don't see it that way. this has been an argument that is going on since i was a teenager. i remember there was the united nations security when it was a general assembly. vote on equating design isn't with racism. and of course everyone's hair in the political elite was on fire. go ahead, george, as well as close criticism of israel is an alta and just saying that there is another cause. everybody knows this, but it is a very useful way of changing the subject. because lo and behold, more than one months as a lapse and say october, the 7th attacks and then israel's, it's savage response to it. and instead of talking about that, instead of talking about the humanitarian prices in dollars, what will, what are we talking about? especially in the united states. well that the students in the uh, the most comfortable uh, pleasant campuses of the united states of feeding on the thread because they are

jews. and it goes, when you look into it, if i that they are in the under any threat whatsoever. what they are on the thread is hearing views that they don't blind. um. and of course the universities have responded by caving and why have a case. because universities of valuable to money, money concerns and that's what they care about. that's what they're in the business of, you know, that's what the university system is. it's almost popular basically about it. yeah . and so what's happened is wealthy jewish donors have gone to the universities and said that if you will allow these pro palestinian groups to operate on your campus, we're going to pull off funding. and then the atl and the anti defamation league, the side of that will hold on a oh, we got to pull the funding. we're going to pressure the government to withhold contracts from the universe. if there's a mini universes depend entirely,

they may be private, but they depend on government contracts. and so it gives the vote is threatened by this all. now, banning all the suited organizations that are advocates on behalf of pakistan if you, even though the names of the universe is the bill of these organizations like jewish students of palestine says, but the finish of a cow behind to submit to the oh, glad to have your band as of it, so it's, but why is the this is the very effective because suddenly we're talking about this and when the bad guys that it's a very, very skillful change of narrative. yeah. and don't get the docs in your future prospect. so if you're of, of you university graduates could be a threatened it when they're put on this list. i think in harvard they have like a, some kind of moving van with the images of students with their names and all about just a very intimidating what martin this is, george is absolutely right. this is,

you know, shifting the topic, you know, don't, you know, don't talk about a baby's dying and incubators and, and gaza. let's talk about some of the most comfortable universities. students in the world are under so called threat. okay. but it, it, for me, it's an, it's, it's a much large, a in addition and much larger thing. look at, we have had with co, but you cannot say certain things, okay. if you support trump, you're approved in the apologise, you know, a creating all these big buying aries. obviously it's not only fake news, but it's big buying aries and it's proscribed. proscribed speech. what you most say thought, what you can say is what you must say. go ahead, mark. hi. all right, that is something that i've witnessed in my search here plus career the, you know, from missouri or the days when you called prior to the binary of the new scene of how news can only be presented to now in 2 groups. black and white, that cannot be any notes in the middle because that takes up an awful lot of time

and attention from those who want to shut down debate. so we go for the black and white model, which i so you know, very, very clearly in the mid ninety's when we were approaching on, you saw the same thing, you know, you either with or against most of which and if you are with them or you gotta see 70 st, relatively intelligent. so new eps, you know, people, it seems you being and try to i'm, you look council, but this, i mean, george says it reflects and reflects the debate away from say your example and baby's dying and how he felt of the hospital civil has been so tragic tragic up 600 unit elect incubators being switched off. thing that we should be talking about that. but if that were talking about, you know, and title spoiled brats on university campuses, you know, who just couldn't cope with, you know too much fast on the meat ball in the crazy. you know, i mean, as professor snowflake generation now, you know, doesn't really know to think it has to be controlled by must media and by the leads and go out and they can they welcome it. they welcome it. but what worries me is

the this, this and to symmetric ultimate, you know, which these are the elite and, and, and tell them hasn't been somebody else since the day of the creation of the, of the, of the states. if we can go to the state, you know, is a great deflection, it's a great way of shot. think they were done very, very effective with europeans in particular. because excuse me, the moment, but you question the design is entity and what they're doing, you know, somebody says, oh, you're anti semitic. and then immediately that is the code word for color cost. remember the holocaust. right? and so then your opinions, particularly when your opinions, you know, just sort of that point under the saying that it more and what has happened. you know, the combination of the aggregate of that 70 is on is the israel, is because become the new sasha states of the will. and it becomes a new head to the neutral many of the 19 so to use and just as taking everything from the the or putting his presence of

a holocaust out of that fascist regime. and re in permits that to create a new state of its own working. what worries me about the west is it when we hit that anti semitic time and goes beyond just shutting down universities, it actually goes to political leads themselves itself. and we've seen in parts and i think was 2008 seen ken livingstone, a lady, politician, i'm not particular finals that's resulted because the civically restorative, i'm factual history was that hitler did actually was in cahoots with the german jews, designers of that time in germany and much and so it is money, so he's free actually starting to deal with them because both the shoes are telling me that time hits a volunteer does not mistake there can't listen. was full simple to have a saying if the paperless supported sign isn't just wrong inside that tool. i destroyed you with this choice. i mean the media just late in swim and with the now

is you have to resign from have you know, the legal policy and paying yolanda man, so it gets distorted. it becomes a tool and for this information becomes a tool for manipulation. people doing anything but having that horrible words that everyone wants to ignore debate? well, yeah, but that is just the whole point of george being. it's the denial of debate that is um criminalizing defend. but it, it's a tool by me, this isn't a lead project be, you know, rush or gave was an a lead project the or the, the ukraine or isn't it lead project? and now we have another a lead project. i mean, it's a, the, the, it, we focus on the message, but really what's behind it is the power to enforce george. that's exactly right. that is, it's very interesting what you said them about in the lead project. and yesterday we saw those massive demonstrations in long island in particular is up to 300000 maybe more. but who attended is basically in support of the palestinians in

gaza. and i was thinking, well, amazing how there was never any demonstrations like this about ukraine. if you said no one's great about wrong through skis out, you know, you know, you know, and so, so is that just so it is a reflection of just, this is something that people really feel strongly about, you green, that was something just all sort of on the line and you also have burrell and the rest of them felt strongly about it. but of course this anticipating the charge, the montana goes, he brings up, can living some of those even a more notable example this now? um yeah, and jeremy called in so it was destroyed and it was kicked out of the label by the i mean it's a just an extraordinary thing of this man who has been ill brahman and fit within leave of politics but decades. and i was a adjutant to tony ben suddenly. oh, you know, he's out and now goes uh late, but its bonds itself. what, what, what position are we going to take?

because they don't have a voice any longer. but this is another angle to this. and this is the, the charge you meant to disseminate isn't, has now become a regular trove of the domestic politics in the united states. and obviously, is in the united kingdom, which is the, this is how you get your political opponents. so here now in the us, the 1st said donald trump, who is nothing, if not all the we pro israeli m u, then then it is door to, you know, the narrative that you can go to to judah is a, if you remember during his presidency, he was a regularly shots with anti semitism. so when there was that when there was a shooting, i think was in the pittsburgh the synagogue at some point. the prizes like skin was charged with it. oh it's old trunk. trump is a generating anti semitism in the united states. i mean, whatever, quite so the logic of it without from trump is behind this. it just like uh, the people who criticized your, sorry, jo, surface featured throughout the well for very good reason including israel is real,

a very good point including israel. oh, that's anti semitism. give you. com, bring up joke. sorry. so, you know, you obviously being, i just think it's a way of transposing a domestic cultural politics onto a completely different situation. i mean, there's nothing to do with anything. that's what goes on in this really, it's really interesting off the domestic political discourse, not a martin i. i didn't watch it because i, i don't want to waste my my waning years of life and watching the republican debate . okay. but i didn't see the clips of it. i mean, here's a country that has very serious economic structural problems. okay. much higher unemployment, that is being reported in for high inflation, involved in 2 major military conflicts right now. and now a very little was actually said about domestic politics. again, it's an elite project and the republican party is all in probably suppose lin

unable, i think uh the same time the democrats, a real going to really go to the problem without just images of the bigger one. think time, you know, so where are we going with this? i i tend to stay, i believe with that both houses, both parties are actually now convenient and looking at the crisis and garza as it leaks and convenient exit from you, craig. i think that's probably well is going to happen over a period of time. certainly. but the scaling a, you know, also funding those live scanners, liskey is what have been whining about this. what basically not wanting banking, especially going to internet to bake to watch these say please, if you call give us money lindy's or below, you need to get a bus to it. you know, that's like, uh, you know, uh somebody who has been in a been a, a, a bankrupt bankrupt the 10 times of the going to the high street bank. there's

always like the same bank been free. and can you give me a loan to pay off my, my, my investors. i mean it's, it's absurd by settling here. i'm going to jump in here and we're going to go to a hard break. and after that hard break, we'll continue our discussion on anti semitism st with already the . the 1935 fast is easily led by dictator benito mussolini decided to expand its colonial empire in africa and take over the opium. by that time l. b, a was the only fully independent states on the continent. back in 1896, its inhabitants were able to defeat via tale. you can call in it and defend their

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and davy and the way for the outbreak of world war 2. the welcome act across stuff were all things are considered. i'm peter will bill. this is the home addition to remind you. we're discussing anti semitism the . let's go back to george in budapest, in my introduction, i talked about criticism of israel and of zionism. and i have to admit the, the israel lobby is done a remarkable job over the last 75 years of saying, you know, there's no difference between israel. judaism in zion is which of course, they're very different. go ahead, george. closer and, and that's been a very, very skillful way of essentially demonizing the use of opponents of

israel. because even when, you know, you'll be, look at the, the facts on the ground. and you see the see how your, what, what it is earlier is that the, the, the, the house getting his drinking the project, which is to, you know, taking over all the, pretty much all of the mandatory power stein then, well, you know, what, what, how, how else, can you argue about this? all the, then to the, legitimize the criticism of this. and this has been, you know, very skillfully accomplished, but why it's so a session up. so the argument is that the most provenance critics of design is and have been american jews. i mean, i feel he don't know, don't chomsky was one of the earliest the critics of uh, israel, he himself was a young man at spend time like a books and you know, he had seen uh photos have exactly what this in the israel was about. and we have

to remember that's why it has become more acceptable to criticize israel. i do think it, listen to the rise of late the far right. it is really big. it really, it actually began with the minot him, big in, was elected the prime minister. so it's become more self aware, we can, you know, criticize this way here and there, but the, the, is the leave about it was a hold of laughter. the liberal left of israel have themselves was being in touch the implicated in the plan to essentially, you know, to drive the palestinians, offsets eritrea to the faucet of the settlements to expropriate funds. and to essentially pursue greater results. it began on the is ready to leave, but the, so the good israel, the soul of the stores, they will, they, they, they turn the desolate into an oasis, all of that was completely fraudulent because it was based on the expropriation of land. but you know, the,

but that was bought of the mythology of israel is on how this it is a wonderful place. it was never one to look at. the sco is based on the expropriation and it was done by people whom the liberal left in the west, a duel and all the sort of the golden a is in motion. diane's up was, they've been been go in before them. so it's, it gets convenient to do a tag begging on that's on the yahoo that the project that whole crate or israel project expropriation perfect, saw that long before them. yeah, because it makes learning, you know, they, they talk about the design is a mom. i think most people have no idea actually. but that really means that if you criticize it, you somehow an anti semite, which is again a, neither here nor there. but you know, you have the new, the new liberal agenda over the last 50 years is a nationalism is a bad thing. okay. well, is realism ultra national? is country ultra, is going further and further to the right. and the left is essentially collapse.

but it zine is and it's very convenient to say design is i'm a but if you said the ultra nationalist of israel, people say what they say. again, this is a communications gimmick martin, but i think i'll go back to my other point us because the government multiple of these result is actually based on the, the, to the, the hitler puritans over to, you know, i mean, if you look at, if you look at the similarities is quite kidding. you know, it wasn't hitler duty shut down your position in the consult of the media. you know, he creates and then gets those and then ultimately concentration camps. that's what this one is introduced on in, in particular the last few years i really up scale the, the dish immunization of about his 10 years. but gaza is a concentration camp. you know, they, they, they think they publish them. just do not have any rights. the rights have been slowly eroded and the road and the road did, you know, a lot of big things about this argument about i just jumped, hasn't been confused with and to side is, is that it's very,

very easy for people are on the delivery of this done too much thought the middle east or on the politics or history of israel to just say, oh, you're racist you onto symmetric because they're criticizing the criticizing. i mean, or the is really late. always had this cup prolonged for so long to not have any criticism. we hope it's well, it was a tiny, tiny pockets, a tiny be mama to the european union to show history were in 2016. the new e phone policy chief, natalia, and socialist suggested that goods from israel, which came from the supplement areas, should have a special stick on them to say this has to come from a settlement area. we never support that as a you can never go anywhere, never goes to page. you know, that's the best as problems with gold in the, in europe to actually criticize this entity and look and look at the results. you know, okay, you go some kids and universities were bit scared about the rise of anti semitism

again and you are but it's so much and focusing so much you purposely on the subject. and then what's really happening, which we don't want to look up isn't rise old is never heard of. you know, in europe, you have millions and millions and millions of, of versus trees from syria, from asking us time for me, run from an agent for these places. you know, they've come to you for a better life, but you've been to humanize themselves. they don't get helps the living of state handle checks every weeks by the food and pay their rent. know this is really the issue of him focusing all of this slow and it's, it is a saw and george mentioned it or something. these throw it people because you know, a complex phone back, you know, do you know, trump is onto symmetric scenarios? i've seen there instead of is many things. we can sort of many things to trump. we get the whole show on what to spend about trump, but you come when you go to much submitted. you know, but this, this ultimately story. you've been re system. yeah. no good. these things stick them. superior ultimate is the, you know, you said very recently to produce

a trap. so how does you know, when you have these demonstrations, you know, in a full go so that, you know, this is really against, this is related to, you know, judging and, and then they all can be said there's always started in germany. you know, you have these demonstrations, him saying as a very fine line between democratic principles and free speech and you know anti semitism. i think they get confused, conveniently too often. and a lot of it is simple because the, the biggest, the biggest level of focusing, which is starting, is the cost of the support that you find in europe in america full of the cycle designed to state for, for, for jose, people and their rights to do whatever they want, again, so i'm thinking of pallets time to give them a free or you know, a couple of strong human rights abuse. people who support that are actually those who don't want the state to fail. because if the state of israel failed to be co offices, they're thinking, oh my god, that's millions of jews telling up at heathrow airport. so there's

a lot of people to say, no anti semitism, which goes well, like they said the they have pop pockets even greater george because i mean, over the last 2 years the diminished the, the, the, the diamond ization of russians reese of phobia. i'm backing a resume in cube that has obvious, fascist, big, neo nazi characteristics. it's been well reported in the mainstream breast black um and just from us. okay. but that's acceptable, like 6 up double. you know? so you can, you can take on a, a, a races you against the russians. ok, and promote the racism of, of elements within ukraine against russians. but you can't say anything about israel and its behavior for 75 years about displacement of palestinians. it's just, you know, it when you, when you look at it from 30000 feet, it looks very bizarre. george, it does a very bizarre and that's why it's so extraordinary. this

is something that you get these um, kind of liberal media outlets such as the new york times that f i, it was sensitive to any suggestion of anywhere that something which could be interpreted as a and the submit to. and yet when it comes to ukraine, they just simply, you know, they just don't notice it don't. well, you know, the, the swastika. yeah, but that's, you know, that's an ancient in the lower g we. we did the podcast, um that we did a pod cast on this and i remember in the 1st paragraph, you know, they were 3 instances of, of nazi regatta. oh yeah, no i. and by the time we did forensically default through the bill because it was, well, it's ubiquitous. it went from 3 to ubiquitous charge. that's right. i. but however, well, when it, when it comes to a trunk, you know, trunk to do those and, you know, denounce the something you know, like big money as of, oh well, you know, but donald trump was using an old um anti semitic probe when he uh denounce the big

money and wall street then they can fluids a big money. uh so that you know, those. oh hypoth sense they what are you looking says something and right away. oh, this is, you know, food was clearly given you and you're not empty. so they take the signal, so if there's what i mean it's, it's always part of the same kind of the cultural of basketball. you know, the, you know, you, these are your political enemies. so you denounce no. i mean, it's always, this is out, be played out on the right, where there are some people on the right who are anxious to revive the soul of the, the kind of civilizational struggle. yeah. the, the, the, the body is of, of the $911.00. so and like i say, well this is randy between the judeo christian well and the well the, the, as long as so basically israel and the, the west, they're all part of the same. do you do christian civilization and they do it. but, you know, judge, you know, what, that's, it's a very, you know,

one of the reasons why they do that is because it is a short circuits international law. no, it's a civilizational truck, a lot of international humanitarian legal problem. that's that's, it's a very interesting way they can shut down that avenue as well martin, but the guy that had like it was, so do i want something? i think i think this thing about the and the anti semitic slow, but what would be the most, i suppose is what i've seen on television in the last few days. you know, we've, we've sent a number of hospitals and goals are shutting down electricity being cut and more children dying. and this isn't reported as a whole. it goes, isn't important. does that make claims in? no, well i don't think this is just reported by british journalists who do life links every evening on the periphery of golf. so they don't go in because it's it afraid to come in. you know, you wouldn't have seen reports inside go. so because you might have to get out some facts, don't we? don't, we definitely don't want facts, you know, but then what is reported, and i'm hearing it more or more. is it justification now from these general this

the, you know, this is acceptable. we should be like, you know, these really isn't the idea of they have to be doing this. you know, this collective punishment is acceptable and we saw it in the 2nd level. and, you know, unfortunately, but you know, this argument, but the idea from the british jealous friends come out with is that, you know, when we belong to this hospital, it was, you know, we, we, um, we, we don't see any of these uh, how much flights is pulled out the rubble, you know, and, and um, i said this is a florida i, an ottoman which suits the, the, is raising the photo over and over again. it, it shows the dental, actually bombing time as well as a, but it's essentially george to the real quickly. i mean, we, it, but there, there are above it is necessary to bomb them for peace, george. 15 seconds. that's why it is a, they are actually just inflicting a mass terror in all the, to me a little induce fear. so, well, you know, this is this, this, are you try this again?

and we're going to do this even was that's all that they're already doing into the software, the thing they're going to stop and say what we've now killed so many people would as well are gonna have to wait for that moment. and then we will discuss it as we move forward. that's all the time we have. want to thank my guess, americans and in budapest and of course i want to thank our viewers for watching us here, our dc and next time. remember, cross talk roles the who, what i would show, they just don't have to shape out the application and engagement trails. when so many find themselves will support. we choose to look so common ground the the,

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