and he directed today's action to make clear that the united states will defend itself, its personnel, and its interests. us as maintains several military bases inside northern syria, since 2014 think its forces of fighting terrorism. damascus has repeatedly called it an occupation on demand. the uninvited americans leave around 900 us troops of oppose these still operating in the area. despite the declaring victory, v as law makes a terrorist group back in 2019. we spoke with university of to run scarlet science mohammed around the retired syrian general mohammed of bass. i'm a homage who set their assessments and how will set and syria affects the region that we have to keep in mind that the us occupation is at legal. the united states, as a, specially along with its proxies occupied one 3rd of the country, they're stealing its oil, and they're stealing its grains and exports, and also isis groups. the remnants of isis,

they attack syrian armed forces from the area is controlled by the united states. in other words, these guys, inspections are working cooperation with the united states. and those high system attacks have increased since the genocide and gaza has began. so it's obvious why this is happening now. so any us strike is considered to be illegitimate inside syria. whereas any of the forces inside syria that had been invited there by the searing government, are legitimate legitimate menu. anything that has be decided by the, by the categories. so, uh, so you and governments here in the army and knowing these are fighting against the american cities and the doors in this house. and very soon i'll see the, uh, plus the, uh, let's say the economy because the size, the,

the accounting, the always to goes for economy sir economy. uh no, no, no, uh, no way to find lots of, uh, the people on the buyer and uh, in this case i think she uh, is 5 name on the and the, i guess the, uh a bit confused. and we are going to be support the uh goes, i see the size. yes. well, the, well, the support thing done. but the support thing him by 5 think the toners and see if you know anything, said company here. and also the international has always appreciated the pass over me for today, but if you to scott, will be with you in 30 minutes with opening the moon seemed rom, just don't have to shape out the application

and engagement because the trails when so many find themselves will support we choose to look for common ground, the, the, the, the hello, i'm in, know a chan you are tuned into modus operandi. the term, banana republic, has long been used by us mainstream media to describe the political instability in countries of the global cell. most commonly thrown at latin american countries for the many presidents having and thrown behind bars for corruption. well, could these chickens have come home to roost?

as the world watches several cases brought against the us, 45th president, donald trump unfold before the cameras. today we'll take a look at the us drama, and the many cases of world leaders who go from president to present. all right, let's get into the m o. the is the 1st in us history. a former poetess indicted on a myriad of charges ranging from corruption to some that are tantamount to fomenting a clue, or blocking the transfer of power. donald trump, now the face of this watershed moment ahead of the 2024 elections here in the us, where he is by many measures. not only the leading opposition candidate against incumbent joe biden,

but the leader of the pact to win all these trials. he's facing our spark and the conversation of a weaponized justice system against political foes. while this is the 1st for the wes, this is not the case around the world. so joining us to discuss the many people who have gone from their nation's highest office to a miserable prison cell. it is ecuadorian journalist esteban cadell. he is the editor at the cradle. you can follow him on twitter or x. i still call it the former followed him at esteban car, lock c a r l o p. so as the month, as we watched these trials of donald trump unfold, historic for the us, no former po, this has ever been invited on anything ever before you being a journalist outside of the us and also an ecuadorian citizen. what goes through your mind? what do you think of what's happening here in the us?

well, i think of seeing everything that is happening relating to trump. uh, the 1st thing that comes to my mind is that uh, it's a situation that has been a long time comment. i just said there is no former president that has actually been indicted. busy much less made to uh, you know, sent to prison for our crimes committed during their administration. and which with trump embrace is a lot of questions because what it, what it feels like it's, uh, it reminds me of, uh, what do things said recently that uh these uh, is uh, political persecution of ultimate 08. 0, is persecution of a political opponent and uh its uh, he talked about the rottenness of a traditional system and i think uh, this is uh, very much the view outside because uh, outside of the us, we do not a general uh see the, the things, the same way that uh, people inside of the us see it. uh, we do not exist in that same bottle. so uh the situation withdraw him with the

coming elections with the with bindings on legal problems which are the attorney general's into you. i seem to be honestly this interested into looking into them. it feels like, like i said like something that has been a long time comment because it also speaks to the, to the level of the patient that exists within the united states. that up, according to some researches uh, is reached a point that is uh, essentially reversible, you know, between democrats and republicans and another thing that jumps to my mind that he's a david, to barter system, you know, and it's, uh, it seems to exist uh, to serve the same interest, you know, internally, maybe the republicans and the democrats may have a different system lar, some small. busy outside, when it comes to foreign policy, you know, it almost doesn't matter who is sitting in that in the white house because in the u . s. foreign policy has for so many decades now being sensors on, on war,

on sending weapons on law fair on sanctions. and now, i don't know if, if the drums case is indeed a case of an offer, but the way that it's being deployed it's, that's going to be racing many questions. so far, 30 or 40 years now. the u. s. has often chided latin american countries for prosecuting its own leaders, us mainstream media likes to use terms like banana republic to describe some of these arrests of these presidents in central and south america. do you sense any, have park or sea, or perhaps even irony right now? given this historic moment for the us, there is definitely a high level of the bumper c a given what is happening that you as an even before, and i have a lot of i or any indeed. yes. because uh, the, this idea about, uh, nothing american countries are run into republics is, um, it goes from a colonial,

his perspective, you know, and this idea that we kind of go over in ourselves, that we need, you know, overseers that we need to, you know, do what we're told essentially, and this call is from the, from the. busy uh, when the spanish temperature views the french, the british it to cover these land and you know, do what they need to do with the indigenous population. and it's, if it remains, it may have to say might be or remain. so now we have a us precedent, essentially facing a situation that is um, almost copy paste. what has happened before in the, in many like in american countries. oh, to be on. is it nothing america, the interventions or the, the yes, the us interventions they've been and usually targeting people who represent the national these movements or you know, along political lines uh like these movements,

communist and socialism. and not so much when it comes to the right wing. so i would say that's mainly the, the biggest difference right now with what we see, we, what has happened. it, we don't drop. all right, so let's get into a more specifics of presidents past and present in south america who has faced legal trouble. talk to us a little bit about lula da silva in brazil. he was president from 2003 to 2010, but then he found himself in some legal trouble through what is now known as operation car wash. he was convicted on corruption charges, but then fried and clear to run again in brazil as most recent presidential election against incumbent j. your bull sonata, he emerged victorious and is currently the president of brazil again. but now also, nato might face legal was he. ringback might end up in prison to what's going on with brazil and this sort of ping pong match of political foes behind bars of what

is currently happening in brazil is essentially the return of the rule of law of institution lady eh, because i think there are more parallels between what is happening to both so nato to add to what is happening to trump down. what happened to that because the was the big the. busy filter of the of the use of the judicial system to persecute uh, a person for political gain, political objective. so what happened in brazil with the job the investigation was that of the united states department of justice initiated this investigation. they initiated to us small prosecutor office in brussels of hardest right. city. and so, you know, and f b i agents were meeting constantly with uh, with this prosecutors. the judge and the case was meeting also was talking to prosecutors directing them on how to, to leave the gaze towards the worst of workers party who represent the national

project for the project of national development. least, i believe 36000000 people lot of over the he essentially ended a literacy. he is not going to be there. you know, he doesn't have, he has, he's flaws. but he's, he was the target of a companion that sought to remove him from the ballad in 2018 and he was put in prison as a birthday. now, some supreme court, they uh, an old, old, all the evidence which were uh, essentially what they are known as corps agree, bargained testimonies that were of pain after many trials by the prosecute about them in any event, by the prosecution to get the testimony that they wanted that's deep, they're all political goals among other types of manipulation. i think on the other hand, both are not all t uh, he's under trial for uh for corruption, for a different case is really probably the one that has been most spoken about is that

you keep in gifts that this all the time. and they gave him us both on nato and he was also a bar is now from running for all season field 2030 because in the lead up to the 2021. and next on the he, i won't go into gathered. i don't know how many i believe it was about the austin, for a non boss, others in the room and essentially yelled at them about what he said was going to be fraught, committed against it, against them via the electronic voting system in brazil. so. busy keep track of them if you lay the election result, the 9, this is where the similarities to the trunk situation. com concert and what's not always a is a mind that represents the computer. what's who no one who never present. that. she's the, essentially a neo nazi, he's a man of the bus will be leaving the rise of indigenous people. he's a mind that believes that corporation should do as they please. i don't know if you remember a, during, he's any or and there were these giant,

the forest fires indiana song and they were for a big part that were initiated by the practices of this corporations with both scenarios. you know, they actually allow them to go in to, to expel indigenous people from their own communities to raise the line, to, to burn down trees so that they could set up their operations. so it does the situation in brasil, it was a case of law firm that expended our across nothing america, it extended to my own country, and it was all the other brick a scandal. it ended with the persecution of left these liter 5 go there with the ink cars ration of his vice president autoglass who had spent 5 years in prison. and during night you know, jesus arrives 25 present massacres. he and also at the same time in that by the, not a single other birds executive was never prosecuted. so that shows you how did you visual systems in or countries have been a kind of, uh,

turn against a popular projects, a turn against political and i guess political figures represent a in general represent uh the same ideology, right. coming up next, there's only one country in the western hemisphere whose polls show that they are even less happy with their government. then americans find out who when we return with esteban, cardio sit tight. m o will be right back. the the, [000:00:00;00]

the only one main thing is important for nato isn't internationally speaking, is that, is a nation's percept. uh, allowed to do anything, all the mazda races, and then you have the mind and agents who are the slaves. americans, rock, obama and others have had a concept of american exceptionalism. international law exist as long as it serves the american interest. if it doesn't,

that doesn't exist by turning those russians into this dangerous boy, a man that wants to take over the world. that was a culture of strategy. so some of the new one i exist v i v i n oxy leashed. it's often zuba and, and tablet block. nato said it's ours. we move east. the reason us, hey jim, it is dangerous. is it the by the sovereignty of the countries, the exceptionalism that america uses and its international war planning is one of the greatest threats to the populations of different nations. of nature, what is founded shareholders in the united states and elsewhere in large arms companies would lose millions of millions or is business businesses good? and that is the reality of what, what we're facing, which is fashion, the,

the, the welcome back to the m. o. i manila, chad, while it's no shocker to anyone that in most western democracies, most of the public is never too happy with who they elected to office. i don't know, maybe it's buyer's remorse. maybe it's something else. esteban, cardio. the editor of the cradle is back with us to, i guess try to unpack that. so how about peru, esteban not long ago, just before christmas of 2022, president federal castillo was carted off to jail, immediately ahead of an impeachment vote against him. what were the circumstances around custio's case, and where is he now? precision is it because figure is a different case. i would say because castillo, essentially what happened. he see the what uh could it be, can see there as us. busy cool city. so, um apartment, it's a,

even though he didn't have the legal or the constitutional grounds to do with it, but he did it because he needed to achieve bulk of inability because the one second progress on about a year in 5 months into his he's a government that's the you was a real teacher. he came essentially from nothing he's paid. it was 1st left his precedent, but he came to power with the issue. she couldn't a really go over. so when he this old car man, when he attempted to be sold parliament, it was because for the past year and a half, she was not able to do anything. he couldn't even swear in his own ministers. because the far right groups in the program congress. but i'm not a bit big and they wouldn't they launch the launch uh, 3 impeachment proceedings i can just, i mean the time that wasn't enough is the one that came out from the moment you step in from the moment you want the elections, the one that came up, so eh, cuz the also has a, the issue that, uh, before he won,

she started to distance himself from the, from the region of last, you know, on point in time. so any want to get with the band event as well on project. it will defend because my daughter and then a few months later, she will not get to come much more. uh, nothing. america, we, we say uh, give you, you know, warm water like, or you want to play with everyone, but you have absolutely no strength to do so. so you play to do play to this trend . so the other side will cover all of the media who have all the corporations and we'll have the backing up in another state. so not at all. they are being ruled by a president of the novel, but a lot of pay for guys of 12 percent of. ready rating the congress guys on 99 percent approval rating, i believe. and customer is of these and 71 percent of programs he owes approval, but a lot of it. so that tells you a lot of where, where she stands and she's. busy also be 9 investigated for the depths of about 6 the protestors who died one cuz the u. s. would embrace on so because they are

still in prison. she's the reason to be saying that he's the big the most of a plot that uh, you know, they tried to do is looking someone. but uh, as far as we know, this is something that uh, submitted it to himself. and then the interesting thing about that was that it was finding and that i, when i was researching is that, um, even the crowding a democratically elected president is that having elected and through season mid, eighties, i mean the arrested. so, you know, but those tells you how the corruption runs in the country. yeah, the peruvians are even less happy with their government. then americans are based on these polls. so these incidents with presidents, they're not isolated to latin america. it happened in france in 2021, but without much global fanfare certainly not much talk about it. here in the us. france being america's oldest ally, saw the former president nicholas or cozy,

convicted and sentenced to prison for 3 years on corruption charges. they say he quote was influence peddling and violated professional secrecy. hm. that sounds familiar. stateside 2 circles. he is now facing yet another trial. that's scheduled for 2025, around a ledge. money received from the late libyan leader. and will mark the duffy star cosy? who's a lawyer that turned politician faces, charges of corruption, again, criminal association, illegal campaign financing, and conspiracy and misusing libyan public money. your thoughts on circles the i think it's what's most interesting about it is why you said how little it was spoken about, you know, starting to see she is actually not a hasn't been arrest if she has been. uh, i think up the up most of the pain, eh, she, um, she scroll deal we've, we've got ocoee sees very chevy. uh, when i was looking into it, you know,

cut off the before nato started bomb being uh, ab, about 2 days before and nato answered. she said in a television interview that she have given money into. ready vandals oh, sorry for cnn to, to wherever you close before you know, maybe it was uh was the when uh, ads deals with friends. eh, eh, visited perry's under uh, surfaces government for the 1st time in 30 years. so it was, uh, you know, like i said, he's very easy. he's a very interesting case that he's not spoken about. and i do think is no spoken about because this is not the role of french liter. and as you said, this is one of the main highlights. ready united states and at some point it feels like when, when you are a western leader and you align with the, with the, with the aspirations of the united states, you can almost done the wrong. yeah. let's not forget that media circus surrounding good off his visit to paris, where he was allowed to pitch

a better 110th outside the l as a palace. if we took a wider look at all of these various presidents of these so called democracies all around the world, they're getting done on corruption charges, right. it's the theme for all of these presidents, but yet nobody has been brought up on actual charges like war crimes, crimes against humanity, or anything real like that. not only of the presidents, but people in the administration's. i mean, look at george w bush's people and the lead up to the iraq war. why is that always corruption, but nothing like killing millions of people. i mean, except for so, but on the lives of it. but he was tried at the hague, of course, but we don't have enough time to discuss his case. and i think that the focus is usually put in corruption because the, the focus wherever puts on on the war crimes on the, you know, legal invasions in the fours western countries to, to confront their own legacy,

their own history, which uh, you know, what they have left behind and we're talking about cyprus, he is indicted on corruption charges start to see was one of the aspects of believing in war. he was a bit of a surprise. was it for his country to start to bump into the, you know, you have up iraq, obama getting a nobel peace prize, and keep in mind that a, a, i think drug more bones. i mean, the president, he's also, you know, argue that you've been war uh that were in syria. so i think of it the focus usually falls on corruption because it's something that allows the western uh, so called democracies to circumvent the reality of what they have done across the world. because the moment that they have to confront that is the moment. but the car, the car was you know, and don't forget that of the united states, for example, is not a signatory of the international criminal. uh, eh,

the international court of justice. and you know, the same with israel, which is one of the biggest culprits of human rights abuses of war crimes in the, in, in modern history. so i think it's, it's about that, you know, as you said, these are white color crimes. you know, these are a and then what are the sensors isn't in there is nothing the least. yes, i am very glad that you brought up. maybe nothing yahoo because he keeps flipping through the legal cracks as well. but again, that man would need a whole episode to discuss as well. right as the bond patio editor of the cradle dot c o check out his work there. thank you so much for this. very enlightening and fun conversation. right, that is going to do it for this episode of motors operandi the show that digs deep in the foreign policy and current affairs. i'm your host middleware chan. thank you for tuning in. we'll see you again next time to figure out the m. o.

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