of his law makers will definitely be a matter of great concern, as well as for the icbc, but as it stands, whether it be the united states or turkey, russia, china, easily o 2 is not a member state of the i c. c. but listening to what the top prosecutor says, he suggests it doesn't matter if they're not member states that the i c. c still has jurisdictions actually if it comes down to a legit war crimes, that the i c, c does have jurisdiction. it will carry on independence investigations and it will essentially one way or another i'll put forth or offer a verdict depending on what those investigations provide. but just looking at how the icy c operates, it's, it will give us a better understanding as to what we can expect over the course of the next few weeks or months even years. even if considering the war and gaza is put to an end, that the matter will not be put to rest either the icpc prosecute individuals for a legend war crimes, particularly in conduct when it's 123. remember, states are either unwilling or not essentially competent to provide

a verdict or pass of judgments in this sense. and just based on that fact. so on the i c c, the way it operates, it does not have a police force to, to make those arrested. actually relies on member states to make those arrests for them and moving forward. it will be interesting to see how things proceed. but the turkish law makers haven't actually quite ottomans. and the responsibility the i c . c currently has. it's not as simple as just a filing a lawsuit against the i c. c. the statement that was issued by this turkish lawmaker mentioned couldn't also went on to say that this is a central the, this petition is a central to prevent humanities trust in the law as well as the perception of impunity from a rising. more importantly says otherwise remaining silence to all these events. well, it's actually damaged humanities, faith in the law, as well as the i see and to put everything to rest in that statement. but the thing couldn't also said, which would probably be the most important statement of all. he says that it will cast a shadow on the impartiality of the court if it remains sign at home. this matters,

this ought to be interesting to see how the icy response to the statements as well as the petition that has been put forth by turkish lawmakers. while we heard from former talk, his did not forget. so she says present, or the one is play on distinguishing between the is ready supplement on its people meantime as well as prime minister benjamin. that's me all see where he continues to see his ratings. food both home on the road. well actually present ad one has made a clear distinction between then nathaniel and his actions and the state of israel . and he's been a rather careful adjust statements about this. they're, they're, they've actually been, they've never had a good relations in the past. they just, they don't, they don't really get along together. actually politicians or they just don't need to get to get along together, but they have their differences. and they're both strong characters. but yes, turkey is actually a 1010, be

a good mediator, but not when natalia is in power. he, i think has lost a and i mean in his reasoning and he has because the rational and the decisions that he, he is making is also creating a wedge between him and his government as well as the governments. and that in the middle military, the idea. so t a, he's and becoming more and more isolated within israel and within his party and within the government. and without him leaving office would be very difficult. and more and more people in israel, as was politicians administers and former prime ministers are demanding that he resigns. so turn the to kitchen, obviously play a positive role in the region for sustainable peace. but that would be very difficult was natania who being in power. i will touch it as well if they are in a country that has filed a complaint with the i c. c, salt bon,

forgot. how's it will so hold on. the court to investigate is really need us for real crimes and crimes against humanity. the i spoke with maya, we met a says women, dallas police walked west on the great grandson of the anti apartheid champion. pulls the foss present of south africa, nelson mandela. he describes torres unique bones with palestinians. sit tight because it's coming away. your great grandfather once said that our freedom is not complete without the freedom of palestinians. do you agree with thoughts? 100 percent. i agree with that statement. 100 percent. as long as the police didn't and people are not free. we have south africans. i know 32, and of the kind of life we will so. so we know we've got cap tall and south africa . they going to be holding meetings on the palestinian issue will be obviously

discussed everyone around the wall it is discussing it of, of these are risk images come in. do you think that south african capital will be able to come up with anything that they can present to the international community? do you have any expectations for the tools icon pretty? what will come out of bed and the team, but my wish is to or the support for the police didn't you know people should not be on the topic. do you feel that so far? we've only seen, right, correct. we've seen the topic, it's still over to try to make one thing that we should know, the palestinian people need to be owned by south africa. how i'm us needs to the by south africa. as long as we protest in south africa for what is happening in how this time is still to the topic, as long as we're not providing the resources for this policy and, and people to be able to free themselves still to the party. now of course,

i understand this is something that you voice before, but you want to have mass now have mass in it's a covenant of 1988. so it's pounding document. really? i mean, it's quite clear that it believes, and the disruption of, as well are, you know, worried that perhaps aman, him, us will be seen as a, as participating in an attack on a so for a nation, according to international? no, no, there's no international lawyers. you one thing that we sort of remember doing this, but i go funded by the ation in south africa. that was the agency which is my daughter to pa, to and that will impact in south africa cutter. and she led to by president shut over at my pasa, that was the m k, which was the military, better attendant that for this law group that was due by the intonation of the

world by palestinian government, by the last year, by the international countries, they, the m k and it was known of being at titled at least organization for the extent that it was bad. they were fighting for the freedom that we have today. so when these and a name is someone killing you, you can give that pass in that list to protect himself of roses to protect him. so for those there's no, i'm not, it will always be like that and they intend nation other well impacted to that. the west that we had titled is do i trying to bunch of actually, why are they not stuffing that use that i am from killing innocent souls and to live in gaza. why it's very interesting to compare appall type policy in south africa on seeing occurs, the thought of paul type policy in israel. now, do you think that the 2 countries shed a policy of repression in all 3 kinds lodge?

if you, we are the only people that understand and know the pain of a part state. we would keep the by the up of paint government. and they, at the same time, they told us how to respond to that keep. so it is the situation in palestine or in gaza. it's way more where so then the situation that would face the unsolved ethic. so i'll think i don't when people start asking this question why i was supporting the middle east, why it was up with independent students. they need to understand, we understand. i'll protect, we know oppression weight better than another country. yes. a how to find provided money for the i'll put a date for us to fight against the output of paint. or she gave money to nelson mandela and the cards and the empty. it gave my,

the tools south africa's and the even because not to the thought of even to the empty for us to face the image of the enemy. also definitely by the time was not colorless deposit all class cut and clean easily and it is a pressing the palestinian and the saying is how much isn't it? how much? as soon as i have said, this is how most of the employer hosp time, yukon has a normal pest to go and palm that hospitality. i clicked into the men day, we need to unite as they have the weld and live those who are clowning around and go and protect and how much so that they would fight and protect the ip port and liberated themselves as interesting. obviously, they had talked about how and k was seen as a terrorist organization, like how mazda seen as a terrorist organization, by psalm as well, things change over time. different countries have different interpretation, obviously, about what you know,

i do want to us to the international community and took a strong stones on a pop type south africa. and they, that was functions trade functions by about 25 nations that were boy called flight b. a lympics the over 20 years, and slowly the appall type, government was pushed into isolation. but we're not really seeing that with its route at the moment. it seems that it's right, it's been different english to comp long to do whatever it is. why is that? do you think that will come to move on to west whether it's 15000 civilians who have been killed 20 or 25. what the world will say enough is enough. one thing that you must, we must understand and get to accept this effect. and 5, thanks for listening, not accept the fact that these people have his losses. i'm any guys backing up those people that i, that i in the evil years that i and i don't blame, i'm at

a car. they've always been in the wrong side of things to from the state. they ways sending c, i is what was america doing and up to the top, definitely. they would, they, they, out of us that nelson mandela america still needs to answer that. what were they doing in south africa? so they've always been in the wrong side of the study, and the a funded by the most powerful propagandist. you see they have power minded talks, but there's lots of talk. you see in south africa category, we are planning the south african government. we'll assumption is what i and we will move the m as soon as i'll use that i had, and that to do it by 5 by 4. so i'm not going to back any one. we're not going to ask anyone. we're going to do it by 5 by 4. so i don't want to back anyone, and i'll call it one. the internet's not allowed to support palestinians to remove m buses. of is the countries in south africa,

we don't live as long as the gigabyte is. if one does not see anything wrong and what that doing to the police didn't and people that embassies must be removed, the food on the shelf, if they come from, is that i a must be removed. the my function is what i asked you to fire about fire on, on fools. i mean, it is a key shape, but people say the violence shouldn't be used to solve problems. and obviously in an ideal world, we would be able to solve lot problems by discussion, not by using weapons. now south africa is a country that uses its watts and uses diplomacy. we've seen minister pandora, she cooled the lead, drop him off in october. she won't criticize or not, but she said this is diplomacy, this is what we do. we talk to people we agree with. we talked to people, we disagree with all. so you mentioned, of course, so around the photo saw, he has condemned his reactions and he says,

we support kind of somebody and we support a 2 state solution. when you say 5 in fools does not mean that you believe there is no plastic way out of this problem. no. when, when, when the killing the people are listed in the notes continued that allowed table. those are words of catalogs may i believe is. so that's how they deliberate tell us of fest themselves. i think we didn't go into that on the table like the amc for an example was the most peaceful organization who used to like let, has to pertain to england to all over the world. but they saw no, this is not solving anything. what did they do? they go to that point and then they fault. so i'm not scared of diag before because the deadline. they fought by shooting the people that are shooting them by killing the people that can in depth. and today we are, we saw that that's, that made the data made a mock our struggle. because if the whole world has been talking with is what i

think is what i listen. it's not listening. so what does this solution this whole machine for something for the enemy that is destroying is the part that tells us how to protect ourselves. we find they have to fight, why not calling for war? but according that's the thing, that's the only language that they would understand. they people, they kind of be kicked. and then the same is that i have people have to have the people of color students. i put respond to the keep the put off by the students need to protect themselves. they need to be once the um, the respect to them. when you say they need to be on, what do you think they need to achieve that are in state co existing with as well. the standard that's the end dismissed, the 10s pulled out of the lens. it's going to visit 10 to the police, didn't pull that light foot oldness even to the point it's rightful owner. and what

about the jewish community, which is left that over the past a t if we don't have a problem with the joys people we have the problem with this i oldest, we have a problem with is that i a not specifically jewish people like on the other page, the way why people that way. i think i'll probably size themselves. i think that oh skin color. they called me to the plus plus side. we have a problem with a scientist that the old testing and the palestinian people. that kidding, the children of guys that are killing clipping treatment. that's our appropriate. so you believe that that is jewish is ready, citizens who are but now if in as you describe the ideal situation that the line will be quite returned to the, to the palestinians, to whom it belongs to with those jewish as ready needs. be welcome. in this protest in state, it depends on dependents damian's how the fee is talent. thank you. as if we build

one pipe, we would didn't want the white people in philadelphia, we're going to chase them, but that's still there in south africa. and they, after they had that living in dep comfortable results in south africa and having coffee and california every morning. so if the policy and, and government for gives off that's holding this new. so as i know the jewish people can stay here that use that. i is, i, on this to can stay here. we don't have a problem. it's up to the police been, and people i kind of decide on behalf of the policy and government, like we have our own policies in south africa. which even a mazda of the, of the, can states. well, i agree with our policies that we welcomed the impaired, at least, and we started setting what we have with the impact on years to go. that's too powerful to davis of africa. and the other one might, i think the south african caught them, so it really depends on dependents didn't and people, how do they feel about this? i honest, i use that. i mean, obviously i have to just say

a ton of devil's advocate that according to international, the jewish state was created. 1948. i'm probably and i think most people would agree, but the ideal situation would be a 2 state a solution. but i do want to ask you just about perception of israel in south africa. you mentioned about how israel co operated on supported the ideas of the apartheid government. how's that shape the way the mountain de south africans feel about it as well? we are the most peaceful and forgiving nation in south africa, but not of all of us, but the majority we, we forget, we don't forget we, we know we know what they use, what i of date they use that i of provided way, pause for the state government to last, but today we're not talking about that. it's not because of that. when i say hands

of the police didn't and people is that i it is because the injustice deal is bad. the use of a, of a doing to the police didn't people. and you also talked about the recording on box . it is, is radium pass it of south africa has done that. um. and it was, it was a very big move. it took a lot of the media space that was international reaction to it. i was reading the jewish community, a big jewish community in south africa, about 65000 people. they said this is very hostile, this means that you support from mass and terrorist. i'm do you think that recalling impasse it is, is an effective strategy or does not know shut down channels of communication? we have been marching to the, the embassies of years that i a, the last so if and to that extent that they don't, i apologize. i don't see anything wrong that is what i is doing. i don't think once

it's state country is around the world spend to removing the emphasis of users that i yeah. that page we make the e as of the apple started to understand it for people that you called me in to cripple those, that understanding and then it's leading to functions. they'll start understanding this thing that by doing this a lot and they were still judas, melma thought, fee lead to of the economic freedom fighters party. he is pulled on the international criminal court to issue a warrant against his ready prime minister benjamin netanyahu. now we've seen how the i, c, c can be politicized. we saw how they issued warrant sofa, russian president vladimir putin and on south africa, said that this was blatant precise ation. but do you think that will, as a see, is really need to ship a how to account for international organizations?

i say now really looks like new crimes and kind of starting, i support the statement that was made by the president of the economic freedom fighters in south africa, which is this the, i see just my them. so i'm 100 percent behind you. the international criminal court is probably cutting. you can see it now, it has shown it's cool colors that is allowed by the same people that are part of the, to the fund as of the international criminal court. because look, how many people died in the ukraine and how many people have now so far died in palestine. a, there's a difference. there's no that was supposed to issue that long time ago. the supposed to go that i last. now i would, but they are the find us behind this mess that is happening in the middle east.

this is so that is why that's the quiet cutting tow a passive asked him says so to the states man for calling that i support it in a sense of we have seen that we have led with icbc phones. you know, we've seen encouraging in south africa, we saw protests in support of palestine. we've seen, we protest in the british capital in london really in a number of countries throughout the world. and it doesn't seem that people's and incentive, so injustice is a basic that has on pre as they why. on october 7th, when one of the bombing rates salted off to the mazda attack, it seems like it's the biggest level of international joint. i'm really since the start of the rock, who do you think that this level is going to keep going? and just generally, why do you think but what,

what do you think we're going to see in the coming weeks as the conflict on fold? all the countries going to get involved in your opinion. i think other countries um, i'm going to get involve one thing that we should remember has also mentioned landon during this our struggle in, in south africa when, as kansas side of the some ceilings in south africa. and then saying, free mind data saying stop up of state follows up for you guys. stop this land the most involved. they have much is the same thing that happens to the if you remember during this level for liberation, he's the towns during this level, countries supported. so you know, this must stop applies to south africa this think of abusing people, killing people involved. i forgot my stop, so it was the international community they came together as line like currently what's happening in, in the world. people are marching a protesting for the police didn't and people to be free. so i think that wouldn't

be time where they would listen, but they wouldn't take time to listen because now they at the paper as a task. and then i met with you guys also supporting that listening. but if we started seeing them, we'd kill them accordingly. kindly then the people of is that i have 5 of them. that would stop tuscany. if now you said every concert, if bless you, i would function is what i as the function is like a level function is i and, etc, etc. that will stop what they do and they'll be handled now kinda and submit though not to the sleeping them. what does meant, but i'm come from america. when you read reaction, especially on line, that's a lot of i'm guy at the hour of wolds that they say a lot, but they don't do much, you know, people, right? if you would just put an order in bulk, or for example, for one day on as well, may be, then they would stop bombing and start to kid. so it's interesting that you,

you talk about taking action roth and to can take and concrete action like functions and kidding, the economic k. i'm the final thing i want to ask you. if we look at this conflict in the context of a new wells. we've seen over the last 20 months, really since the start of the war and ukraine, how countries which felt repressed before starting to find that voice, which will be about multi polarity, which will keep out open ice ations like bricks. where exposing, like you said, p i c c as being politically corrupt. used to bend to let's say washington as well. um, do you think that at the moment we all seen the rise of a new weld or not this conflict and as well as owners, kind of the big powers still fights and continue on to that interest in the region

. because they know that that time of the empire was coming to when i took the with, if i did to live a sensing that plenty of times by doing that deflection problem because actually deals and solve is something that's updating has you saw during how they wanted to distract breaks and solve that, think they tried to buy or mis mister sided distracted not to happen because the successful, the data you see. so it might not be solved. even intelligence guides me, but it can be a destruction by the destruction is very, even if they bring like that and killing people in order to force. and they say then goal and want to see how others to exit out of the actions. you see, for an example, you feel remember during president's almost time. oh my oh, but she went to south africa for the a who?

so president little, my face, the international come know, cortez know. you must add as to about she wednesdays as know. when all my other question arrives at the airport immediately when he lands that place is declared as an eagle please, where he goes, where the event is taking place that places and is it what to court is a you place. so is lots here on this day to visit. so it was what was supposed to be happening when they website and today most has been put in out of the not to come to attend the excitement because that's, so that's a ton of 5 now of pretty expense those good. you see the,

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