the statements, as well as the petitions that has been put forth by turkish lawmakers. and before we go, that's good to have bach san francisco chinese president. she just thing has arrived foothold said his american counterpart of the apec summit, which begins on wednesday on 2 is kind of open and gives us that and so forth. expectations are all the in the asia pacific economic cooperation summit has been planned for months, but now it has the whole world's attention. why? well, after a lot of back and forth, we now have confirmation that biden, and she's in pain. will be meeting face to face. now the 2 heads of state will be sitting down at a time. one relations between the 2 countries are anything but well, here's out china's global times, but there is a dock force in washington that is undermining us. china relations and the more critical the moment, the more active they become, the whitehouse has limited control over them, and they are major uncertainty that occurred us trying to relationship must face

requiring the us side to overcome and eliminate disruptions. not the most optimistic words and the white house has rarely painted a beautiful picture of future relations with china. either it, it won't be long before somebody gets hurt. it wouldn't take much for an error in judgement or a mistake to get made. the allegations from washington against beijing, or getting more heated by the day china is accused of being more aggressive, both regionally and online. in addition to that, they are blaming china for america's drug problem and rolling out a number of their old tropes about human rights. joe biden used some pretty non choice words when he was bragging about, shooting down a weather blow out. the reason why is using pain got very upset in terms of when i shot that balloon down, was 2 box cars full of spike women is he didn't know it was there. that's a great embarrassment for dictators when they didn't know what happened on the side

of things. the united states is frankly out to get them on the global stage, trying to crush their ability to produce computer chips and doing everything possible to stir up trouble when it comes to the territory of taiwan. western countries led by the united states have implemented all around contain mains and sacrament. and suppression of china, which has brought on to the entered senior challenges. so countries development, chinese diplomats of laid out a pretty clear road to de escalation, nothing too complicated. they say it's america that wants to fight, not them. johnny does not seek g 's. do us know? should the us suggest shape or change china? we hope that the us will implement this commitment note to seek, gimme a cold for a note during gauge and conflicts with china and work together to promote the return of china us relations to healthy and stable development try relations between washington and beijing are going to improve taiwan is crucial. i mean, i did, states must reaffirm it's one china policy every time things start to look like

they're improving between china and the us. something goes wrong. and that recent pattern has many people holding their breath when it comes to the big meeting between 2 heads of state set to take place on wednesday. let's hope there is no snap food this time in the form of the giant, whether balloon or anything else. caleb mauppin are to san francisco. while we discussed this upcoming the apex, i met with pro but writing it yet to an international relations expert at island university in indonesia. that's how it will help say. as the name implies, is a photo same as the policing economic completion between its members. in this somebody goes, i mean i as an academic hope that there is a compensation for economic development in the next few years. it's recently impacts the schools because by the human, if that increases that up here in the post by how it goes. probably be it's,

i have a patient, i hope that the get the, the epic member. i think that is the empty one name. but of countries can find a common solutions investigating including stopping the crises, some companies. so people are like indonesia. we're just kind of speaking out against the palestinian and connected me as a whole that we the status of a for a made by the global solve. so we were going to prepare for the winter, the palestine, and making a quote to the nation states of the world. the south can be an alternative to support when the confidence of the cold, but not a state of hats by ignoring the police. the new issues, concerns must continue be before we even play global. the civil society which the days, even more concrete, making less donations. and it's printing news about crimes. okay. and so, you know, maybe it does. and also speaking to social media, despite the overwhelming sounds or some kind of looking of global, see if it was,

those are the accounts that i use a lot of voice about the policy, me and a conflict in because a well, that is our round up all the news, so for this wednesday we'll of course be back at the top. just type you over until then. it's close to enjoy the the, your great grandfather once said that our freedom is not complete without the freedom of palestinians. do you agree with that? 100 percent. i agree with that statement 100 percent as long as that the

palestinian people are not free. we have south africans. i know typically to then after 5 live we will so so we know we've got cats haul and south africa. they going to be holding meetings on the palestinian issue will be obviously discussed. everyone around the world is discussing it. all of these are risk images come in. do you think that south african capital will be able to come up with anything, but they can present it to the international community? and do you have any expectations that the tools icon pretty what will come out of that meeting, but my wish is to or the support for the palestinian people should not be able to taught it. do you feel that so far? we've only seen rhetoric. we've seen the topic that still over the topic. one thing that we should know the palace didn't, and people need to be owned by south africa. how i'm us needs to the by south africa, as long as we protest in south africa for what is happening in

how this time is still to the topic. as long as we're not providing resources for this policy and in people to be able to free themselves, it's still reporting. now of course, i understand this is something that you voice before, but you want to um have mass now have mass and it's a covenant of 1988. so it's pounding document. really. i mean, it's quite clear that it believes and the destruction of as well are, you know, worried that perhaps aman, him, us will be seen as a, as participating in an attack on a so, for a nation, according to international? no, no, there's no international lawyers. you one thing that was with the, remember during this, but i go for the about ation in south africa. that was the agency,

which is my daughter to pa, to and that'll inputting south africa colored and she led to by president shut over on my pasa, there was a mt, which was the military riveto tenant that fought the flag that was due by the intonation of the world by public opinion, government, by the last year, by advocate in additional countries, they the m k and it was known of being at titled at least organization to the extent that it was bad. they were fighting for the freedom that we have today. i. so when these and a name is someone killing you, you can give that pass in that list to protect himself with roses, to protect him. so for those is no, i'm not, it will always be like that in the, in position as well inputted to that the west it that we had titled this through. i tried to but to the key, why are they not stopping that is what i am from killing innocent souls and to live

in gaza. why? it's very interesting to compare appall type policy in south africa. on seeing occurs, the thought of pol type policy in israel. now, do you think that the 2 countries shed a policy of repression in offer you guys lot. if you we are the only people that understand and know the pain of a pot state. we would take to buy the up of paint a government and they at the same time they told us how to respond to that keep. so it is the situation in palestine or in gaza. it's way more where so i've done the situation that would face the unsolved ethics . so in africa, i don't. when people start asking this question why i was not putting the middle east, why i was not putting the palestinians. they need to understand, we understand. i'll protect,

we know oppression. wait better than another country. yes. a how to find provided money for the i'll put a date for us to fight against a petite, or she gave money to nelson mandela and the cards and the empty. it gave my, the tools sounds like it's and they even, um, because much of a part of, even to the m t for us to face the image of the enemy of south africa that, that was not colorless deposit all class cut and clean the use of i and a is a pressing the palestinian and the saying is how much? even if, how much join us have said this is how most of the employer hosp time. yukon has a nobody pest to go informed that hospitals the applicant we men day. we need to unite as they have the weld and live those who are clowning that out and go and protect and how much so that they would fight and protect the ip port and

liberate themselves. as interesting. obviously they talked about how m k was seen as a terrorist organization, like come also seen as a terrorist organization by some as well, things change over time. different countries have different interpretation, obviously about what you know, i do want to us to the international community and took a strong strong on a paul type south africa. and they, that was functions trade functions by about 25 nations that were boy called flight . the lympics the over 20 years and slowly the appall type, government was pushed into isolation. but we're not really seeing that with its route at the moment. it seems, but it's right. it's been different english to comp long to do whatever it is. why is that? do you think that will come a moment was whether it's 15000 civilians have been killed? 20 or 25. what the world will say enough is enough. one thing that you must we must

understand and get to accept this effect. and 5, thanks for listening. not accept the fact that these people have for the sauces. i'm any kind of picking up those people that utilize the easily is what i and i don't blame amenities. they've always been in that along side of the study from the state. they way sending c, i is, what was america doing and how about states? i'll definitely they would, they, they out of us that nelson mandela america still needs to answer that. what were they doing in south africa? so they've always been in the wrong side of use that a and a funded by the most powerful propagandist. you see they have power, money talks, other sources talk. you see in south africa kindly, we are planning the south african government. we'll assumption is what i, as we will move, the embassy is off is that i had and that to do it by 5 by 4. so i'm not going to back any one. we're not going to ask anyone. we're going to do it by 5 by 4,

so i don't want to back anyway. and i'll call it one the international want to support palestinians to remove m buses off is that i live countries and stuff like that. we don't want as long as the gigabyte is, if one does not see anything wrong on what that doing to the police didn't. and people that emma says must be able to move the food on the shelf. if they come from is that i a must be removed to my function is that i asked you to fire about fire on on falls. i mean, it is a key shape, but people say the violence shouldn't be used to solve problems. and obviously in an ideal world, we would be able to solve law problems by discussion. i know by using weapons. now south africa is a country that uses its watts and uses diplomacy. we've seen minister pandora, she cooled the leader of come off. in october, she got criticized or not,

but she said this is diplomacy, this is what we do. we talk to people, we agree with. we talked to people, we disagree with him. also. you mentioned, of course, so around the sofa, he has condemned his reactions and he says, we support kind of somebody and we support a 2 state solution. when you say 5 in fools does not mean that you believe there is no pronouncing way out of this problem. know when, when, when the killing the people are listing and the diagnosis continuum that allowed people, those are width of co, i mean, i believe in. so that's how they believe that they tell us how fast in south africa we didn't go into that on the table. like the amc for an example was the most peaceful organization who used to like, let, has to pertain to england to all over the world. but they saw no, this is not something anything. what did they do? they what, what point?

and then they fault. so i'm not scared of the diag before because the federal trade . they fought by shooting the people that are shooting them by killing the people that are killing. that's and today we are. we are so lovely. but that's that me the data made a mock. i will struggle because if the whole world has been talking, which is what i did because i listen listening. so what does this solution this whole machine for some, for the enemy that is developing, this will protect us of how to protect ourselves. we find they have to fight, why not calling for war? but according then i think that's the only language that they will understand the people they constitute. and then the same is what i have people who tell the people of palestine and i'll put this on to the keep the people of palestinian need to protect themselves. they need to be once the level of expect them, when you say they need to be on. what do you think they need to achieve that are in

state co existing with as well the standard. and that's why i just missed the 10s pulled out of the lens. it's going to visit 10 for the police. didn't purple to the right foot. oh, nice me to the point, insightful owner. and what about the jewish community which is left over the past day to yes, we don't have a problem with the joys people. we have the problem with this. i don't know. we have a problem with is that i a not specifically jewish people like on the update, the way white people. that when i think the opposite of 5 themselves, i think that oh skin color, they called me to the plus plus side. we have a problem with a scientist that the old testing and the palestinian people that killing the children of guys that are killing click the treatment. that's our appropriate. so you believe that there is 2 issues, right? any citizens who are by now, if in as you describe the ideal situation that the land would be quite returned to

the, to the palestinians, to whom it belongs to with those jewish is right and needs be welcome in this kind of stand state. it depends on the palestinians, how they see the stat and thank you as if we don't want to. i, we, we didn't want the white people in philadelphia when i chased them, but that's still there in south africa. and they already, they had that living in that comfortable results and phones hopefully got as having coughing correspond to every morning. so if the police didn't government for games of that's holding this initially, they know the joyce, people can stay here the easily as i on this to can stay here. we don't have a problem, it's up to the police, them, and people. i kind of decide on behalf of the policy and government like we have our own policies in south africa to which david i'm as, uh, are the author can states won't agree with our policy is that we welcomed the impact at least the respective setting. what we have with the impact of years to go

that's through power from today, the south africa and the other one was i think the south african caught them. so it was depending on the published and then people how do they feel about this? i honest or is that, i mean obviously i have to just say ton of devils advocate that according to international the jewish state was created. 1948. i'm probably and i think most people would agree, but the ideal situation would be a 2 state a solution. and i do want to ask you just about perception of israel in south africa. you mentioned about how israel co operated on supported the ideas of the apartheid government. how's that shape the way the modern day south africans feel about it as well? we are the most peaceful and forgiving nation, and so i'll definitely not of all of us, but the majority we, we forget we,

we don't forget we, we know we know what that is, what i of deed that is that i of provided way, pause for the output state government to us, but today we're not talking about that. it's not because of that. when i say hands off the police didn't and people is that i is because the incest is deal is bad. but here's what i of doing to the police to them people. and you also talked about the recording on box. it is, is radium. bassett, of south africa has done that. and it was, it was a very big move. it took a lot of the media space that was international reaction to it. i was reading the jewish community, a big jewish community in south africa, about 65000 people. they said this is very hostile, this means that you support maps and terrorists. um, do you think that recording impasse it is, is an effective strategy or does not know shut down channels of communication?

we have been marching to the, to the emphasis of is that idea that we have so if and to that extent that they don't apologize, they don't say anything wrong. that is what i is doing. i don't think once it states countries around the world start to the moving the emphasis of the lives of i at that page we make the as of the or thought it is understand it will cripple the economy. it will cripple those that understanding. and then if leading to functions, they'll start understanding this thing. that's why doing this at all. and that we're starting to introduce my law. that's the lead to of the economic freedom fighters policy. he is pulled on the international criminal court to issue a warrant against his ready prime minister benjamin netanyahu. now, we've seen how the i c. c can be politicized with sol. how they issued

a warrant sofa, russian president vladimir putin and on south africa, said that this was placed in precise ation. but do you think the will, as a see, is really need to ship a how to account for international organizations are saying now really looks like new crimes and kind of starting. i support the statement that was made by the president of the economic freedom fighters in south africa, which is this the, i see just my them. so i'm 100 percent behind you. the international criminal court is probably cut and you can see it now. it has shown it's cool colors that is allowed by the same people that are part of the to the fund as of the international criminal court. because look how many people died and we'll create and how many people have now sofa died in palestine. a,

there's a difference. there's no, that was supposed to issue that long time ago. the supposed to go that i last now i would, but they are the find us behind this mess that is happening in the middle east. this is so that is why that's the quiet yukon tow a passive i left him says so to the states man for calling that i support it in a sense of we have seen that we have led with icbc phones. you know, we've seen encouraging in south africa, we saw protests in support of palestine. we've seen, we protest in the british capital in london really in a number of countries throughout the world. and it doesn't seem that people's and incentive, so injustice is a facebook that has on pre as they walk on october 7th, when one of the bombing rates salted off to the him off the top. it seems like it's

the biggest level of international joint. i'm really since the start of the rock, who do you think that this level is going to keep going? and just generally, why do you think but what, what do you think we're going to see in the coming weeks as the conflict on folds of the country is going to get involved in your opinion? i think i the countries um, i'm going to get involved. one thing that we should remember has also mentioned land done during that's our, to our goal in, in south africa when a concert side of some ceilings south africa and then saying for the my data saying stop up, update files out for you guys. stop this land on those involved. they had much is the same thing that happens to the if you remember, during the survival funded by the ocean, he's the town during this level of countries supported say, you know, this must stop up on the, to south africa. this think of abusing people,

killing people in south africa. i'm gonna stop. so it was the international community they came together as line like currently what's happening in, in the world. people are marching up protesting for the policy and then people to be free. so i think that wouldn't be time where they would listen, but they wouldn't take time to listen because now they at the pipe, it's a task and then i met with you guys also supporting that? yes. but if we started seeing them, we'd kill them economically. and the people of is what i have fights them. that would stop tuscany if now each and every concert, if bless you, i would function is why of stuff is always function is a level function used by n, etc, etc. all those stuff are they doing that would be handling now kind of not to the sleeping them. what does my but i've come from america when you read reaction,

especially on line. that's a lot of, i'm the at the hour of wolds that they say a lot, but they don't do much, you know, people, right? if you would just put an order in bulk or for example, for one day on as well, maybe then they would stop forming and start to kid. so it's interesting that you, your talk about taking action rather than to can take and concrete action like functions and kidding the we can all make k. i'm the final thing i want to ask you . if we look at this conflict in the context of a new world, we've seen over the last 20 months, really since the start of the war and ukraine. how countries which felt repressed before starting to find that voice, which will be about multi polarity, which will keep out, organizations like breaks. where exposing, like you said the i c. c as being politically cropped, used to bend to, let's say washington as well. um,

do you think that at the moment we are seeing the rise of a new world or not this conflict and is ro, is almost kind of the big powers still fight to continue on to that interest in the region. because they know that that time of the empire is coming to an on i took the with, if i did to live a sensing that plenty of times, but that during the dyslexia and drugs because that killing innocent souls is something that's updating has you saw during how they wanted to distract breaks. it was out. i think they tried to by all means mr. side of to distracted not to happen because the successful, the daughter you see. so it might not be solved. even intelligence guides me, but it can be a destruction by the destruction is very, even if they bring like that and killing people in order to force. and they said in

golden one to see how others to exit out of the actions. you see, for an example, if you remember, during president's almost time, oh my, how about she went to south africa for the a who so president little, my face, the international come know cause there is no, you must out of as to about she, when it says know when, oh my are, but should i live at the airport immediately when he lands that place is declared, there's a, a you please where he goes, where the event is taking place that places and is it what to court is a you please. so is not here on this day to visit. so it was what was supposed to be happening when the website and today, most of the inputs in, out of the not to come to attend the that the big, silent because that's all, that's all 10 of 5 now of critics. that's those good. you'll see

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the most recent narrative change about the conflict and ukraine is the following. it's a fairly interesting way. there is some truth to this. ukraine indeed faces a stalemate. it has limited options. on the other hand, russia has many options. this worries,

washington the is right now says a full hour humanitarian. a pause for pop, open to open gall to offer its full says and to one of the regions largest health controls to conduct what it describes is a targeted military operation. loss claims washington gave tubby, the green lights destroyed, ship ha hospital dots despite the medical facilities already being in dire straits trouts the products in united states also this hour. so we're here in downtown san francisco. and as you can see around me is a crowd of people that are a pose. do you want to support for israel protest since the 10th of a 3 foot san francisco ahead of the a peck summit in opposition to america's fasting is where the actions and golfing my tax dollars are bombing babies and gaza.