us as must quoting for the initial confidence, the book of him for the school foundation through to see a solution which is also in the interest of, of, of jewish people. because you know, we are here now invest students and publish time for them mid to that as you, how to see what allowed 14 millions, 50, the jewish and 50 be able to find a cdn which when we don't, we must find the width. we'll have to give that as we, as i've seen, this is the most of the, but i see, and i thought i'd be, we need that. we made our best to do that. but in reality, these are the, the refuse to reside that is there any chance that, that the u. n is biased towards israel because it will because after all, these, he is, why have haven't the un resolutions on the creation of 2 independent states? why hasn't that come to fruition? it's a, it's a big joke. you know? because up to now more than 1003 solution has been a taking the initiative as security accounts that they've got to think about

a senior initial know, a new one that has been implemented because of as right because of united states. because we don't. why do we have on his team must pay the, at the admin, meet via the mistakes has been making taken in euro, euro. why, why we must, we be paid that. therefore, i mean, the only way to do that is see if i could speed through the only time you can do something, you're not going to see it because, you know, russia, china is going to be in countries or the uh with to assist solution build with a piece of process, but up to now, nothing steve, because it was i did it through through that we whole we whole investigation knowing guys that we hold one over that the, any of it. yeah. i mean, do we like the ideas you know, must be, must be, i mean, to coordinate for the international competitors, you know, for implementing to see it solution when is there nothing, steve?

i don't know if the bank sent those out if we'd nice to assist you lucian. and or, you know, i've got to give that a support thing is i maybe it's time to do something to that piece of process for that both completion is like that. but a senior as well, that is all for me for today. am i calling mike? of course i will be with you at the top of the back for the the hello and welcome to cross stock where all things are considered on peter level.

the west likes to take pride and it's a treatments like the importance of international law. it demands the rest of the world, follow its weight, but the world is in shock over the west unwillingness to criticizing, call loud israel's war on cause. this is the absence of morality. the i was talking palestine, i'm joined by my guess, matthew aaronton, montreal. he is a senior fellow at the american university in moscow and director of the rising tide tide foundation of canada inside out. and we have a home in mirandi, he is a professor at the university of trent. all right, tell him in cross talk roles and the fact that means he can jump any time you want . and i always appreciate a good it's good to. um, um, could i have chris mohammed, you know, it's, everyone's, well, you get these moments of clarity where things are very, very obvious. they see. and we, we have through the western world through this conflict in gaza in lock step with washington. um this, you know, if you go and look at public opinion,

so oppose of the citizenry even in the united states, a majority including democrats, want to see a ceasefire. but the lead, so in the west continue to just throw caution to the wind, throw any kind of sense of, of legitimacy be the entire artifice of international law in the international humanitarian law. over the last 70 years, 80 years is just been completely dashed and thrown into the garbage and the west wants the world to respect it. thoughts and the pole that i saw yesterday actually show that a minority of americans wants the united states to support israel. something in the low, $3030.00 for 37 percent. so the united states is changing. europe is changing, the whole of the global south is shifted. but it leads in the west. they haven't

bunch they, they are even worse than what they were in previous classes or in previous attacks on guys. because as we all know, gaza has been subjected to carpet bombing on numerous occasions over the years. this time, of course, being the worse. but now that is worse than ever before. we see a stronger consensus than ever before among western leaders and the leads and media in support of the atrocities and support of genocide and in support of that's in yahoo in particular. so i think the united states, some europeans have really destroyed themselves. it, this is not just israel destroying itself. and i, i think that's the greatest defeat for this really regime is not the military defeat. that it suffered on october, the 7th,

or the intelligence defeated. it's not the military and intelligence defeat that is suffering now after weeks of battling and getting almost nowhere. but it's, but is the fact that they are massacring civilians. they're massacring children, live on tv, live online, people are watching it, and they have no regrets. they're making racist statements. a human animal calling palestinians. human animals be netanyahu using biblical illusions, to talk about the destruction of the whole of the palestinian people in killing them all using that analogy. and, and also this is riley defense minister and the, the is riley president who said there are no, in a sense in god so, so this brand new machine has destroyed its legitimacy in the eye. is it considered legitimate? and the west has destroyed itself because it is always just defined itself or

presented itself as our moral mentors through through the decades. and as we saw in ukraine, as we've seen, all kinds of things. but now it's become so disgusting. and so open there support for these for what many wrong call a holocaust that the i think it will take decades for them for them to recover if they ever do. you know, in matthew they, it, mohammed, it's absolutely right. a, you know, i, i can re, uh, remember the last time this happened to, to, to guys a you could watch it on, on television. of course, with western media wouldn't show you the, the, the full extent of it. but because of the advancements in social media, you can watch the destruction of a people in real time and it doesn't prosper as a stir western deletes it is it is really quite astounding. i thought the phrase never again actually had some meaning, but it doesn't having any meaning whatsoever. and which makes it even worse is it.

public's can watch this in real time. and western leaders will not change their position. they're so id logically possessed and so politically captured that they, they there and it's almost impossible to move them. but it, mohammad is actually right to mean the, the, the, the court of public opinion is drawing its conclusions and i agree, the global south. if you want to dig, he could control them and kind of control them. it's done, it's over because we'll be talking about this at least for the rest of my life. go ahead mouth. you know, you, you said a, i couldn't agree more. and the, the, the fact that even the, this is not it's, it's not even the people of the united states or canada who are marching the millions against us. and in speaking out in the for when you will see these images every single day. but even people inside of israel, there are millions of people demanding that in yahoo is allister, because frankly, many people there know that they don't want to also be complicit in

a genocide or be caught in the middle of a giant regional war that can spit out of control, i think everybody off the map is not beneficial to anybody. so you have a real contamination, toxic contamination of the culture within the the, the so called a lead chord doors, especially in washington, london, brussels and, and tell of eve, which is which is it a very scary thing and part of the thing that makes it additionally difficult and scary for, for me, and anybody looking at the astrological aspect of this is that as you point out there, biblical references being put forth by christian design is with the a little bit too much cloud with the us military industrial complex. and many people around the greater is real factions run bb do seem to see that there is a fulfillment of prophecy factors. so while you do have those where incentive eyes to, to carry out acts of atrocity for oil or geo political uh, technical issues that we also saw with the wars in a rack post 911. or even going back to the desert storm. there is,

there are people who do things that are evil for money. there's this additional factor of crazy that does see some fulfillment of prophecy in the need to re restore what it is perceived to be the belief in a, in a greer israel. that involves capturing a big chunk of saudi arabian or rack and jordan, and a big chunk of turkey and, and some of the israel, egypt as well as after the arabs are or persian subdued under some superior race. well, but that is a crazy factor. very did you have a method? what would happen to the rules based order? i we, when we talked about that 15 seconds ago, it's gone. it's got the how can you mohammed, how could they ever talk about the rules base order ever again? i hope they don't because i never believed in the 1st time go ahead that they can't . and what they've done is that by destroying in in ukraine, i think they've harmed themselves militarily, and they've wrecked their own economies. and we will see that play out in the

coming months and years further. but all in the notes. and of course the euro, new liberalism is itself wrecking the west across the board. but now they are destroying their image alongside the other destructive measures that they've taken in the past. and so countries who were sort of standing in the middle between the chinese and the united states, let's say, are the russians and the united states are the ronnie ends in the united states, which we are the going to tell now the americans and the europeans to allow them saying that we are the civilized world. everyone else therefore, by extension is the uncivilized world. but now people are seeing that the most uncivilized acts are being kind of carried out by the west. they're even opposing a ceasefire. yeah. of this, this is like, this is unbelievable in the past,

at least they would pretend that they support a piece for us, sees fire, and then behind the see if they'd probably be telling this riley prime minister to, to go on and carry out further attacks. but now far lumens are supporting war congress people are supporting, more senators, are supporting more government across europe or supporting what the german government is saying. if you want german nationality, you have to support as well. it is becoming complete. it is becoming increasingly authoritarian. their policies are being open me, china sidle, and they, they lose credibility. so who i mean morality aside for all of us, i'm sure morality is the number one issue, but morales suicide. who wins any one who is opposed to the west? anyone who's seen his arrival to the west, because they're seen as more humane. if they say that the chinese are violating

human rights, no one is going to take them seriously. they say that the russians are violating human rights. no one is going to take them seriously. well, what about the ice? what about the i say say, why should anybody ever take them seriously? go ahead. depo the it just one thing and that it just, yesterday, the, the, were recently the french were saying that now we have to, we're going to call for the rest of the syrian positive. it's as if now this is did sensitive close their eyes as this genocide is taking place. the world is watching and then they're talking about the syrian president. every one sees the hypocrisy now, and that's why in the future, no one is going to take them seriously. well, in math or, you know, you can, if you, if you have a not line up a major networks around the world, you can watch, you know, this is a moral crusade, moral crusade. we can look at another screen. and all you see are title of the children prematurely born laid out on a bed altogether. i mean

a dozen or so. and that is moral. what, where's the morality in that matthew on? yeah, absolutely. and the fact that you, this is the sort of thing that this, the captured people's are interested indignation when we were given stories of saddam hussein's soldiers killing champagne. but the windows were paying them, so it's worth big stories. the when we say that our real babies. yeah, exactly. yeah. and when we would give our consent to such a, a world historic altering destructive act as we did in early ninety's. uh, over a liar, approvable month, trouble lie. and, and then here we are with real images of destruction and genocide against actual babies and we're doing nothing but a on top of that, i just read that to tony blair, you know, has just been requested by benjamin netanyahu to, to fulfill his old role as humanitarian coordinator, that well, i mean, and as we rested in, as we go to the break, we're right. as we go to a break right now, you know, so they, they, the french want aside arrested,

but they won't arrest. and tony blair, again, tell me about the logic of that gentleman. i'm going to jump in here. we're going to go to a short break. and after that short break, we'll continue. our discussion on powell is wednesday with the take a fresh look around it. life kaleidoscopic isn't just a shifted reality distortion, by how us tied to vision with no real opinions. fixtures designed to simplify will confuse really one say better wills, and is it just as a chosen for you. fractured images, presented as 1st. can you see through their illusion going underground can

many places in the world where you can move, there's wells for kind of see why there's so many other well spaces all against the backdrop of a fire breathing volcanoes. i'm john thomas. this is in my vision and welcome to the magic that is the welcome back across stock were all things are considered. i'm peter without your mind you were discussing palestine. the okay is go back to to them. how many of you add to the surrealism to all of this as a gaza is being strong kids? people being forced to move south. these really say the south is safe, but it's far from safe. hospitals are being attacked, claims of command centers underground and oh, they put a video up,

but then they deleted it and then changed it at all. oh, well, well, get back to that story later. but i'm remarkably, as all of this is going on, we have people like netanyahu and, and put the president biden talking about what's the day after they call it. okay. i guess the siege is good to continue. the blockade is going to continue. and these people that say they were represent democracy, they will determine who will roll over the people of gaza. i mean, i can think of a more foolish aaron right now. go ahead and that's exactly what talk tobar. the 7th was all about. it was because of decades of hunger, it was decades of being trapped in a concentration camp, which is now a dead camp. it was about people who being held in this concentration camp for decades. whereas the land surrounding gaza is where they came from is where they've

been expelled. the problem is the land that was stolen from so if the americans and the europeans think that they can continue with the previous policies of subjugating the policy and people treating them as hooks of human. and that is what they do. it is not just the is riley regime that openly speaks of palestinian says, how subs, human which is something that they've done in very openly over the past few weeks, calling them human animals and so on the president himself. but the europeans treat palestinians as such scheme, and the americans treat them as subs human by keeping them in that concentration camp, trying to isolate them and, and trying to basically make things easier for the as ran the receipt. but all this is going to do is it is going to, to make the hostility towards the west. right. or then before,

not just in palestine. peter the, the anger right now towards the west is unprecedented. i've never seen such a thing before in my life. and it is not just in one country, one part of the world, it is across the world. but in west asia, north africa in particular, people are extraordinarily angry. so when they think when they're talking about the day after they should be thinking about their own interest in their, in this region. more than if, again, morality aside. because as you said at the beginning of the program, they have no morality whatsoever. but they're, in general for years, the fact has been that israel has not contributed to western security and western power. israel has always been the opposite. israel has always been costly to west web security if it wasn't for the apartheid regime. if it wasn't for supremacy is i'm in pa, this time relations between europe and,

and west asia and north africa would have been completely different from what they are today. but let us assume that this anger, this year, almost universal anger, anger is able to express itself somehow, politically in the future, in that tomorrow that they are speaking of the west will lose much more than they've already lost. yeah, it's interesting, matthew is said when we, there seems to be a difference between these rallies in the americans, but that could be just a good cop, bad cop show. i'm not sure i'd, i really buy it as being authentic here. but these railey certainly want to in snarl the united states in the west, in the future. it did well when they determine the future of guys and they want other people to have blood on their hands. that's what i'm saying. oh, by the way, they want someone else to pay for it here. i don't know if they get a go that far because i think you know when biting made is supportive. what's the

surprise visit after october 7th, and you've got that bear hug from netanyahu. nobody else wanted to talk to biden. okay. and i, the binding ministration is fumbling, and i think it's, i think it's terrified of what it's gotten to itself into matthew. well, it certainly created a complete quagmire for itself. i mean, there's a defection of many, uh, we'll democrat and we have the adobe get the 3, but the state department memos go ahead. yeah. oh my god. yeah. it, there's complete break of any type of image of coherence. and in a common vision of common opinion, amongst many of the democrats and i mean election season is coming up the i any for me. and a lot of this is that up until the days before october 7th, there is more a motion in dynamic being put into place in the middle east and in southwest asia, i should say that would have provided for a longer term security guarantees that i've ever seen before, there was a normalization, already agreement, to normalize relations with israel. there was with a built in wrote initiative the international north,

south transportation core door. and many of the diplomatic developments that had been initiated by russian, especially by china, through offering vast economic incentives for all varieties of rival nations within southwest asia. to build bridges of diplomatic development around the idea that we can have a long term future. we can build a new economic architecture with the bricks plus nations in the multi polar alliance. there was a real sense that for once, maybe there could be something sustainable based upon a multi generational economic development orientation that could avoid being sabotaged. and then you have this, and then it's a short period of time. we've seen so much of this trouble up. um, it's very, very nerve wracking to say the least. well, let me, but i mean if it, all of these, um, um, diplomatic maneuvers like the abraham accords and all of that here mean. but then there's a lack of morality there. i mean, if you, if you just say the palestinians don't exist. well,

if something doesn't exist and then it's not a problem. i mean that's, they're kind of bizarre logic, but these people do exist. they live. i like how you put it. they've been living in an open air concentration camp, which has been turned into a death camp. so, and it should, i would assume a lot of bets are off right now, but i want, i want to make a point out something to is that there's a lot of capitols in, in, in the air, a world that needs to make adjustments as well. their people are furious and that theory can be directed against them if they do the wrong thing. mohammed. exactly, and what we often hear from people in west or in the think tanks or and reports that are producing these weapons in these think tanks or in the western media is that the arrows want normalization. they mean those governments that are largely a family dictatorships they're, they're not elected. and therefore if something happens, you're going to, uh,

or if there's anchor oils and it goes beyond a particular point and it creates instability in any of these countries. that would be very bad news for the west. so the west is losing global or public opinion. it is potentially potentially the stabilizing the region or its allies in the region. but i think most importantly is that or by supporting these atrocities in israel, they have helped to be legitimized is randy regime in the eyes of the international community. those who thought israel was a legitimate regime. now see that many at the see things very differently. and that is going to have a huge impact. now you see many jews in the united states has right in europe at

the forefront of the struggle against apartheid and zionism. people are wait for people to eyes are opening to this reality. a reality that many didn't know of before, but now increasingly young people in particular are seeing the facts for themselves . that i think that the fact that so many jews in the united states and a europe are standing up against israel. it's itself diminishes the logic of the regime that it somehow represents jews. which is i think, a huge injustice security is because by committing such crimes, by and design is by committing all these crimes and doing it in the name of the jewish people. they are the ones who are actually harming views. well, it's interesting, matthew, is that what we've seen a since the establishment, the un establishment of the state of israel? is it? these riley's and their,

and their supporters throughout the world want to make judaism in and design is i'm synonymous. but there anesthetic cool one is an insult to the other, matthew, that the actual absolutely. i did the just the, the, the very anomaly of millions of jews around the world saying jews against zine isn't uh, it should be, it should speak it very loudly. it's not the same thing. you're going to accuse these people of being anti semitic. um no, i mean, i mean the, the fact that even if, when do you want to stablish the state of israel through that resolution in 1947, it also established at the same time, a state for palestine. that's really one of those 2 aspects we're world of abided by and many of the zionist were saying, oh, palestine was never released state. it's like no, it's because you didn't abide by the very same law that made you would state. so there's a lot of that box that's built up. okay, mohammed didn't go back to what i'm going to finish up the program here. i, i still believe even though the white house at no display. so i know despite one of the palestinians this, this is, hasn't been played out yet,

these railways will do everything they can to push out and, and, and destroy the lives of these people in gaza and the west bank. let's not forget, this is far from over and i think the machinations coming out of these really leadership is yet to be seen. go ahead. absolutely. first of all, if there's randy regime succeeds to carry out this how that costs in half the cleansing in gaza. what does that mean for the palestinians in the west bank? the same thing can happen to them as well as the rest. so no matter it know that the 1st and foremost thing must be to push for to cease by the 2nd is to make sure that those ran the regime is unable to keep any territory in the gaza strip. but i think the palestinian resistance, how my stomach, joe, hot, the others have already made it almost impossible for this way the regime to win

because they have a lot of leverage. they have a city of tunnels under gaza. the is, randy regime has been bombing the city, but they haven't been able to damage the resistance capabilities. and they have hundreds of prisoners or hostages or whatever you want to call them as bargaining chips to release to get get the is palestinian passages release by thousands of how the city and hostages really, really. so the palestinians have a lot of cards to play with, but also it's the duty, the responsibility of civil society, the international community, to put pressure on western governments to force a ceasefire. and to end this, janice very well said, very well put, well, dental, and that's all the time we have on, i think my guess in montreal engines around. and of course i want to thank our viewers for watching us here in our dc you next time. remember across the, the,

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