from the middle east, in recent days, over 10000 to palestinians, mostly women and children have been killed with u. k. u. s. and you nation weapons and gaza. i'm yet jerusalem. 10 a donation media and politicians advocating against us these 5 minutes to florida. the war on children began 7 weeks ago today, but is israel repeated 911? really, what nato corporate media want you to think it was one of the greatest joined us in the world. writing today has new revelations about what happened on october. the 7th. he's editor in chief of the grades and based in washington dc, co director of killing gaza and author of the management of savagery, how america's national security state fuel, the rise of al qaeda, isis and donald trump. he joins me in the studio. max, thanks so much for coming to us studio. why? i mean, it's still due by a show. it's not the global media for him. perhaps it's something grimma than the outcome you're here. it is fairly gram. i had actually been in cairo, egypt hoping to reach the gyptian side of rafa to monitor the aid situation

as part of a delegation that was going to raise awareness about the lack of a going in and the direction government blocked. our permission locked has blocked all internationals and pretty much any form of activism in support of palestine or against the humanitarian catastrophe. and gaza is off limits in ccs egypt at this point. so i diverted to here to your studio and well see if you did refuse to meet with your president button in friends with the course the king of jordan. but let's get to the 7th of october then because central to the native nation narrative is everything began on october. the 7th. um yeah, tell me about that. what do you think of that as well as the beginning of history? and, you know, right as a, now, as we speak, the hospitals of northern gods are under attack. cnn is not showing these images

from inside. the hospitals, doctors being hand cost blindfolded, humiliated babies being taken from intensive care units and incubators to other wings of the hospital as they're under attack, biased rarely, this is 2. is the product of american propaganda deployed by the pentagon and white house, claiming that there are underground bunkers that the hospitals are doubling as military bases. their intelligence assessments are essentially recycled as rarely propaganda. and we saw the same thing take place after october 7th, with the white house. green lighting is reels, genocidal, military operation in the gaza strip on the basis of lies deceptions and distortions of half truths. spun straight out, but nothing. yeah. whose office and into the mouth of bite and starting with the 40 be headed babies lie. but one of the greatest slides that hasn't been unpacked yet, which i delved into at the grace zone, was what actually took place on october 7th. and raising the question of how many

is rallies were actually killed by the is really military using the same doctrine of this proportionate force and the indiscriminate use of heavy weapons that we're now seeing in the gaza strip. and it appears that the death toll is pretty high. yeah, because all we hear from the politicians in nato countries is october. the 7th is when from us opened fire on innocent people. uh, i mean the inventors, many of them may, will it be an idea for reserve is because they were as early citizens, but they were partying by the siege war. and this has nothing to do with is really on, is railey fire as well. first of all, we now know from official is rarely statistics and confirmed as published by our it's that at least 50 percent of those killed were on military bases at the time they, regardless they were, israel's guys, a division which was enforcing the siege of gaza active duty soldiers in uniform, they were the main targets of the mos commando division, their elite units,

and us media never western media never showed the video shot by how awesome islamic jihad, commandos by group gopro cameras of them killing the soldiers who had been previously killing them. in many military operations, they turn to the killing of civilians are not as really non combatants in order to create political space for what was to come next. these really operation inside garza and these relays, assisted them by providing images which are now seen on websites that these really formed ministries promoting like hamas dash dash massacre. dot com would show extremely grisly images. now it's clear that in the attempt to take captives, how mos militants did kill civilians they were shot with kalashnikov. some may have been killed with grenades. those are the only weapons they carried. but if you look at the images of, for example, the homes and keyboards, the area which was one of the main sites of hostage stand off these homes,

look like many of the homes in the gaza strip. which i personally seeing, covering the in 2014 assault on guys totally destroyed cooked. entire families are actually found in these homes is really families under rubble, as palestinian families are now being found in gaza. if you look at cars which were fleeing the nova electronic music festival, these cars were completely charged melted, and many of the bodies that were found inside were also charged. and all of these images were taken and presented to western media in various screenings. and through these websites as casualties of home, offices, savagery that they burn, people live that they burned entire families a lot. and what's absolutely clear and confirmed is that the is really military shell, these homes and keyboards very with tags, under orders from the top to as, as one keyboard security coordinator named to vall that stop a put it to show the homes on top of their occupants. even if they were as rarely,

and we can go through so many other testimonies produced in hebrew media, which i synthesize in my report to show a systematic campaign of friendly fire order from the top of the as rarely, military to prevent a mazda militants from taking captives into the gaza strip. is that one that and you know who means by, oh, when all of this is over we'll go through about the events on october the 7th, but that still doesn't even explain why it is that at the state department briefings you being at them. john list, do not ask why this phrase, the headings, the phrase ray. yes, at the un security council. i don't know what you have to say about. and that accusation, why these words obviously trigger words being used. and as you say, while the horrors of the real incubate is their own shows of the world in social media, rape, gang, rape, burning, people alive. tony blinking and the secretary of state, testified before the senate that almost cut the feed off of children. and there is

no basis for any of this. the real story should have been enough for them to have been able to justify their case. but they had, they needed to go further because they were planning to attack the entire civilian population. and the white house has accepted this uh, for example, i the bunk one new claim of re put on this. how much a mazda dash dash massacre site, which shows a naked woman who had been stripped and killed. this is a photograph likely of a kurdish female fighter that has been on line since at least 2022. i found what was it tweeted out is evidenced by and is riley is really foreign ministry is promoted as a mos rate. but if you actually look at the website that i found it on, look at the meta data, it 1st appeared in june of 2022. i found tweets of this image from later in

2022. so there's no way that this could have happened after october 7th, and they deleted the. is there any foreign ministry? deleted this off to you pointed this out. yes. and then you have uh yeah, he has been ports testimony. she was a woman who escaped and over music festival headed to keyboards. barry then was hold up in a home during the hostage stand. she testified to his rarely public radio that everyone who was killed among the israelis in that home during the stand up was killed by his railey special forces in which he called cross fire. undoubtedly they killed everyone except for the one amongst commander who was her captor. who surrendered, and then they fired 2 shells into the house for good measure, making sure everyone was dead among those who were killed according to is really channel 12. was a child who knocked tele bennett is really a member of kinetic former. prime minister said was actually burned to death by how mosse this is confirm. a code firmed kill body is really military spun out by the

former is really pro administer is evidence of law savagery. there's so many cases of this as a website, october 7th, dot org. or i just found a testimony by women who said that she had been on a took, took a rickshaw with several other captives and gaza residents, who may not have even been with a mazda. this is another element we can talk about. ok, but i mean this took took, which was hit not she was not hit by a moss must have been killed. the people on it was hit by an apache helicopter hel, fire missile. and she was the lone survivor. there are so many cases like this, and we can just look at the testimony of these apache helicopter pilots to understand why that took place. and clearly the relatives of the bereaved in israel one to know the truth just as much so we can establish if one doesn't think it's some kind of false leg that these really security state. hey, i totally failed to have an absolutely any kind of a time. think is failure hazard? is there different types of surveillance systems there? $1000000000.00 offense. all these things failed. and the propaganda war,

they're having to delete their tweets and retract things. but of course, by the time the 1st lie is out what your colleagues in the united states press, they believe the rapes, the headings, the beginnings of bodies. yeah, it's just a systematic campaign of line. but as state department spokesman, matthew miller said, it's not misinformation. this is just uh, untruths happening in the fog of war. they can't imagine that the israelis would actually systematically seek to deceive the public in order to create political space for what is quite clearly a genocide that includes the destruction, an occupation of every hospital and northern guys and the ethnic cleansing of one point. 1000000 people possibly more, but it's very clear to anyone who's critic who has a critical mind then what took the true story of what took place on october 7th, has yet to be told. and mark my words, ashen, the mainstream press will one day pick up on the thread that i laid down and will

be forced to investigate the orders to come, to carry out fratricide, by as rarely, commanders on his rarely citizens in order to prevent captains from going into the gaza strip. that's the worst fear of the is really military intelligence apparatus . and he is really political sphere. consider how many captains they had to give up for. glad. surely. the israeli soldier who was taken captive in 2006, 1027 palestinian prisoners or captains were given up for the lodge elite. now they have something like $199.00. this is a nightmare. this is the biggest scandal and is rarely history. thousands of mazda the summit, jihad fighters were able to carry out an operation without israel's vaunted unit, 8200, detecting anything. it's humiliated the is rarely intelligent services there because of division was wasted. $4500.00 soldiers lost in a few hours, and so to deflect from that. and from nothing yahoo for nothing yahoo to stay in

office. if many leaves office he's going on trial again, he could be convicted to deflect from that. they need to deploy a tidal wave propaganda blitzkrieg of holocaust level imagery. and so what they've turned to in many cases is imagery of the victims of his rally friendly fire that included other scandal. but of course, until the day, uh, they uh, eventually understand what, what really happened and how they, uh give a propaganda. they gonna talk about the video that was shown to members of congress this week. i understand john list going underground when invited you guys on when invited, presume we just see the secret videos survive the under the guidance of the israeli authorities as we haven't seen them. but presumably the shocked faces interior side faces of members of the press and politicians. you know, you're wrong. you're not allowed to see it as editor in chief of the grades on. but if you knew, and i'd seen that you'd have seen, i mean, is it possible they've edited the voltage?

i mean it's, it's, it's, it's, it is absolutely certain that many of the images that were shown to them did not portray what they claim they did. for example, when the 40 be headed, baby story was immediately debunked and bite and retracted it along with cnn. nothing yahoo had to cover for himself. so his office deployed a picture of burned body parts and they said it was a baby. there's only one documented death of a incident on october 7th, 10 months old shot by accident. these burn body parts turn out to have been probably body parts of people cooked by hellfire missiles that were then assembled together. so then you have these briefings. the 1st briefing took place on is really military base where they gathered the entire form press together and put on a clockwork orange style performance for them to hack their brains and get them in line. and it was an off the record session on is really military base. what kind of journalist would agree to such a thing?

what were the ethics there you're agreeing to not go on the record about what you see and to subject yourself to a obvious psychological operation. on and is really military base, while the military is literally be heading children and burning them alive and gaza with 2000 pound bombs and refugee camps. so this is an indictment of the international press. and it's an indictment of these politicians who are willing to be subjected to this next movement. all, i'll stop you the more from the founder and editor in chief of the grades. and after this break the, the, the,

the welcome back to going underground. i'm still here with the founder and the editor of the grades on macs, blumenthal, code director of the documentary killing gaza max. we were talking about october, the 7th. we now of course this week have seen if we are watching social media, uncensored media. we're not going to be seeing it on uh, google uh, circle mainstream at corporate media, around the world, the normalization of attacks on hospitals. how do you think journalists managing to cover what we can clearly see i babies, incubate is under attack as if that is a normal response to the events we were just talking about, about one on october, the 7th. well, it really confirms in the minds of people across the arab world, palestinians, people in gaza,

that the western western officialdom in the western press is simply racist. because only one year ago, they were all pining over russian attacks on hospitals, which were in disputed by russia, actually denied by russia, and which were indisputably less intimately carried out. then what we're seeing, where the is really military is actually going into these hospitals on foot and by hand attacking humiliating doctors and forcing patients out into the cold. and what does that, what does a lot, you mean? just the other day, i saw you at the state department asking questions of lincoln's works for us. and what's it like in that room? when most of the journalist said don't seem as upset as you feel. your product is the, the murder of babies. yeah. i mean, you just it, it's serial to go in that room and to see this and witness the subdued tone about

what's, what is the greatest atrocity of our time being carried out before our eyes? in my opinion, a genocide, any opinion of many genocide scholars and they're just asking about how many aid trucks got through or they're trying to divert the discussion to whether ronnie and assets will be stolen by the us. and there's me in a few other reporters, less than i can count on this hand who are actually willing to ask tough questions . and i put for the quite the issue of blinking invite in a choosing china and russia genocide. and why this did not qualify as a genocide, and they were actually green lighting every escalation of atrocities by the israelis up into the point where they are taking over hospitals and forcing icey you patients to die. forcing babies off incubators, the us started a war. the 1st gulf war over bogus claims of inc bader. babies, babies being taken off their incubators and create by saddam hussein's troops. now

it's really happening in the gaza strip right before eyes. go on twitter and see it right now. and the us is sending more weapons, they're actually, they've actually just authorized thousands more hellfire missiles and more jade and bunker buster bonds. so israel can quote, finish the job. now what's really happening here with these hospitals, we need to be clear and understanding what the objective is because the white house is providing cover for israel to do it by claiming they've seen that there are high hidden bunkers under these hospitals. but that's not why is real, wants to remove these hospitals. it wants to clear out these hospitals because, and i've been to ship a hospital during times of war and peace during times of war. it's surrounded by people whose homes were destroyed, the entire neighborhood around it remodeled was destroyed, and it had tens of thousands of people there. and it's providing urgent care to people. and it's a station for journalists, they need to clear them all out, so they can ethnically cleanse the entire north of gaza. remove the centers of life in order to manufacture humanitarian crisis. then push the population to the raffle

border of egypt and create impossible pressure on the gyptian government until they let these refugees in by the hundreds of thousands. they will put them in tents and the sign i desert and then they will be permanently resettled in the arab world. are scattered throughout the west. this is the new knock of the former. shouldn't that director of the director of israel has called for explicitly? it is ethnic cleansing, and genocide being carried out before our eyes of the hospitals are central to this plan. so those are clearly be breached is of geneva conventions established at a new or in bag. but then i think your colleague in that state department, the pressroom and other john was, sam was saying he was asking about complicity and genocide. seem to make them think . do you think there are officials in the state department and perhaps the whitehouse and the by to ministration as a whole? who understand that they could at some later date be prosecuted. some young book type tribunal,

full complicity in the worst crimes humans can ever do to other humans. no, i think tony blinking thinks that he can continue to play the blues and live a life of luxury until the end. that's why he pre empted this campaign of he is tempted to attempted to undermine the tradition and the letter of international law by introducing the rules based order. no one knows what the rules based order means. but now we see it means that the us makes the rules and everyone else has to follow their orders or they will die. finally, we and we and we, we had another report from the greys on liam, cause grow. go to the pentagon and ask their spokesman, you always talk about the laws of war and is real needing to follow the laws of work. what are those laws? and that spokesman general rider or she could not answer the question. and this question gets asked again and again, it briefings of the state typically, anytime you want to get it, what are the laws of war? what are the rules based order?

it's just rhetoric to undermine international law. then you have cream con, at the international criminal court. been on this show as well as law football. now i think everyone recognizes, even though these hundreds of lawyers went to a genocide, conviction against a deposit. i see. i see, jack, i'd go to ask you because you've been looking at this. yeah. who is anthony blinking? what is his background? and why may that be really important for people watching to understand when they see him talking with world leaders, his counterparts around the world about the rules based order, equitable world and human rights? well, i mean, i wish cream con, were sitting here, so i could ask him why when he promised to visit palestine. he never did. and was too busy in dining fruit and for evacuating children from awards zone. but to, to your question about tony blinking, this is someone who hasn't been made secretary of state because of his zionist lineage. he is the grandson of maurice blinking one of the 1st is real lobby. as in the united states who set up a think tag in the 19 thirty's to produce an influential paper on how scientists

colonization could be economically bountiful and productive in the historic land of palestine. he was raised by his stepfather, samuel, p sar, who was himself kind of in israel lobbyist. he was constantly in france one meter on 0 as his con, seagly ery. and he was also a fixer for robert maxwell, the late robert maxwell, who is himself and most odd agent, got a defacto state burial and is real. and was the father of the notorious delane maxwell. so tony blinking comes into this to his position, having gone to the success of a pack gatherings, telling them that he inherited his commitment to is real strength. and that's how he got approved by the senate in bi partisan fashion. and that's where he stands. why he stands where he does on this genocide now now

is this like that is clearly know it's out there as blinking. that to is the world . yeah. obviously they're killing women and children, edison to bend to they're also targeting john lists according to valid standing and forwards. how important is it for israel to target john list now because we're seeing the targeting of journalists in nato countries. as a matter of course, i know you've been covering julian hassan just supplied in great detail is targeting of john, unless a key in the management of savagery, the title of your book. while we seem almost 50 journalist, killed in the gaza strip. and when you look at how most of them died, several of them did. the 1st journalist, the di, 4 of them were killed when the main press, one of the main press buildings in gaza. city that was still standing after many other journalist. journalistic and media towers were destroyed. they were killed because the israelis evacuated the building,

and then they bombed the building next door where the journalists were standing. now we start to see journalist, one after another, killed at home with their families. so they were targeted. israel has the entire population registry in the gaza strip and knows where everyone's home is and which family isn't it. and we've seen the entire family of a journalist from palestine tv, which is funded not by her last by the but by the palestinian authority killed at home. we saw a wild, i do the, i'll just hear a arabic correspondence in the gaza strip had of his 2 children and wife killed at home is targeted. and it is really pundit went on, is really channel 13 after the killing and said, yeah, we didn't like his reporting. so we, we killed them. i mean, they're openly boasting about targeting and killing journalist. and where is the response from all the press freedom organizations? it's very muted. tony blinking is made press freedom, one of his signature issues. and of course he refuses to talk about a song and he's not all. and now he has this blood on his hands and you know,

so what right now we, all the institutions are exposed the genocide prevention industry that samantha power helped spin out totally discredited. they said nothing about what's happening in the gaza strip. then you have the counter this information industry that's supposedly existed to fight misinformation. now information and this information said nothing about it anyway. bbc verifies, go on. yeah. where's, where's, where are they? it's only rush and, and we'll and, and the press freedom industry a very needed response. they that they, that. okay, okay. well, just finally, we seemed you've established desperately that there are allocations that it's israel doing that with having israel covering up and forging the idea of raping all these different crimes. human shields is the stand, the go to for all of these native nation. someone to extend all griffith was creating as dry unless you believe it is israel that actually behind the use of

human jail. what we're seeing is real use human shields in the gaza strip. now classic tactic, i've seen it used in hebron. they capture man blindfold them and standing in front of where the soldiers are stationed to prevent attacks on those soldiers. but then there's this, there's the concept of human shields that needs to be interrogated because what we're hearing is that homos embeds itself among the civilian population. and therefore the depths of civilians is something that we should just accept. and that is how mazda is followed, and not israel's fault, even though israel's using bunker buster bombs in densely populated refugee camp. i spent months and months over the course of years in tell of even jerusalem and other is rarely population centers. and you are surrounded by human shields because you can not distinguish between the soldier who's carrying their weapons and wearing uniforms in shopping malls, restaurants, and bars,

and is rarely civilians. and d, as rarely, military places its own infrastructure, right, among the civilian population, to the point where the largest is really military base, a cure. yeah, it's defense ministry command center is placed directly next to the as rarely mall in tel aviv. it's surrounded by civilian infrastructure for our restaurant homes. so if anyone had the capacity to attack is probably the most important target they would be attacking us really a neighborhood by design. is that not a human shield? what do you think? that's not a human shield. you're just simply racist and chauvinistic. well, max, we'll obviously invite and to be blinking. anyone for the state department, anyone from israel to these rarely, authorities to deny what you'd be insane. and i'll invite myself to the state department when i get back, people can watch that on uh, the state developments website that extra them at all. thank you so much for coming in. thank you. that's it for the show. and condolences from the whole team here are

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i didn't go to get almost the end to see if, if it's still not filled out by that i'm in the see it the, the single man, the month of mandel and all that. i do want to lose the remainder measured on it. be just a mazda minutes off. i know you see them go likes it and say i can think of them, but these are, let's see. let me look to see the category of video content out of this and fit on . so being at that point, i see on there the most to the boss on the i see the news, the media mckinney and all those new battery needs, the washer lady that get some given which a month, but i see. okay, i see, i see it goes in a 2nd. i mean, either it is by you say things on a something different then generally a going i think the interested in the,

the breaking news on all the reports coming in that missing 50 to 200 people are reported to be killed in an idea of strikes of the hour for put a school in the fall of the refugee in gaza, the shelves of hundreds fee divide that $26.00 people are killed of alliance and is ready asked by the han, eunice, a gauze of bass, and just visit one of the refugee camps. mid enclave southern cities here and this come we are really living the senior living in the hunger and the international support for the palestinian in these difficult times. it's actually 9 of your little mosque but i'll see.