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hello and welcome across stock. were all things are considered, i'm peter level or is the lowest storm of human behavior. and so it's upon proceed west through the lead support, the wars and ukraine and israel, but their publics. don't. another casualty is the war on free speech. conservatives be clowned themselves for demanding, in israel, exception the to discuss these issues and more. i'm drawing by my guess, george samuel, we in budapest, he's a pod cast where the guy goal, which can be found on youtube and locals in america. we have martin j. c. is an award winning journalist and commentator, or a gentleman cross that goes in effect. that means he can jump any time you want and i always appreciate it. all right, let's start out with george in budapest. the, the hypocrisy is becoming more and more obvious that you mean it was pretty obvious in the beginning, but now which is in plain sight for everyone to see,

particularly in how the, the war in uh, guards as being presented to western publics. even some of the videos that they claim is a in support of israel's guys is actually the reverse. okay. or there was a very unconvincing showing a roster oak who was watching the me the hostages underneath the south. the hospital actually it was just a calendar in arabic. okay. and then we have um, american jews against zionism being betrayed is you know, riotous and out of control. but no, the police are the ones that are right, isn't out of control. so it's, it's really turning everything upside down. and as i said in my introduction, these wars in, in ukraine and, and israel, least in, in, in, in, for regard. so they're demanding a ceasefire across the board. something that's bi partisan and in the public. and

the more in ukraine is becoming less and less popular among people, but it leads don't change. and that's the hypocrisy george, to the right then it goes, goes during the now almost 2 years of this war in ukraine. and we have many occasions to point out that while the leads of your, of all the boards sort of on the lions and then the bars, jones and then the re, she's soon acts on the microphones. and the sergeant shows, is they constantly talking about ukraine constantly there, raging russia. there was no echo on the public. now. no one's did. was any demonstrations against russia? no one's that was the any mass riley is outside the russian embassy. anyway. it was as far as the, the public was concerned, this was a war that should never have stopped it. and that it was a, this is something that a government project. now the same thing is happening um,

in the case of the israel, clearly the public in europe and in the united states wants to cease fire, will oppose showing the mass demonstrations that we see through in and so many places they have all of them, all ac is high, but how does the leads respond to that? well, they keep talking about october, the 7th says how much is already been more than a month since the so they're still told by the you pick up any major newspaper. there's boys going to be yet another story about what, what, what really happened of october, the 7th, and how people feel and how they respond that the one i have because they continue want to generate this as a, as a means of, of ensuring support for what israel is doing a service so you know how much they may report. you know, this of that, you know, the only people hospital and so and you know that, that bad or. yeah. now it's supposed to 11000 pounds name civilians of the oh,

but let's go back to october, the 7th, and then how did you feel about when you read about october, the 2nd 10 and, and of course, you know, like, uh, networks like cnn. um, they are partnered up with the idea of so they, you know, they can be given a, a chaperones view of things. okay. completely sanitized. there are plenty of outlets that are showing well for quite frankly gentlemen, some of the most terrific things i've ever seen in my life. okay. it is. so her basic, but i'm george brought up october 7th. well martin? well, what actually did happen on october 7th? because that is a, that is a very animated, vivid conversation in israel itself. but doesn't seem to get further than that. it's really, it's a stone being and how much western media outlets will speak to a narrative when in israel itself, it is hotly contested. martin,

the general is done where the light to, um, jump about with the narratives and, you know, follow this adage. i knew full never changed his mind. another tool when, when we say we, when we jets into was was and around the world would generally generally just like to stick to a single narrative. and when they arrived in ukraine, you the now to was already crafted for them and then cultivated even further by a formidable fake news operation and kiff funded by the americans. of course, the same story and all of that was have come with going right back to you this logo . and i think, you know, same things happened in israel. one of the things that i'm the one of the things that the now and see if this is very hell bent on doing is creating a starting point. this is where the new stuffs and i'm so don't waste of time looking at the background, a new inspector to waste your time. google's a, it starts on this date in a so with ukraine, of course, it was them to when, when the, when the russian. so they did, and um, now is reality is october, the 7th. but your question,

very good question. i might say pizza i think is gonna fall on and off a lot of people because what we're seeing now is there are future. listen, a very small cub of general is who don't accept the terms of narrative. i was starting to look very closely at video and other forensic evidence about what didn't happen and what you see when you scrape away the surface. you see a lot of these attacks on the books with not only from chemist following a k 40 sevens that these poor people. i'm not defending a tool and it was pulling, but also the idea of turned up and then put them weight in themselves. and because what we're not reading from west in general is, is the idea funny as real, has a very, very strong policy rather strongly policy in um, not less than cost just being taken. and we don't read this a lot, but that is the truth. and so that could books killings a lot of them now, you know, there's an excellent journalist in, in, in israel, a coach ellison cooks is exposed the cubits claims on the bbc coverage also,

you know, and the same thing goes with the pop concept. if you actually look at the video footage which is available, even the idea if i'm assuming that you have hundreds of calls which are just shot to pieces by the high caliber machine guns, which can only come from tanks, you know, so that's when the idea of turned up and probably so a panic and suit of the hundreds of people escaping coal, being cold, i'm driving and also to directions and they have to be stopped because idea of does not allow its own people to be taken prisoners. and that's a flip side to the terms of the story which is not being reported a tool, you know, but i think um, i think we are living in an unprecedented age of fake news, which we've never seen before. no, nothing on this scale before known in ukraine, building syria and you know, this, these launch the videos, the, the idea of i just loved doing the internet with, you know, uh, backfiring on such a big way. i mean, the whole, well, the tool. okay. i'm glad you,

i'm glad you brought that up because like the even this morning i saw a number of these fake videos amateur videos supported by the as rarely stage or a is really media outlets. and if you've been watching the number of a news outlets that actually already have unfettered access, and you look at the, the videos, these horrific videos and then you look at the fake ones and he, i mean, it just, you just kind of video laugh up your slee behavior, these, there's not even comparable, you know, george, one of the interesting things about this story of october as a sub. and is it, it kind of puts in relief, in a very sharp way is that the adf is willing to kill palestinians on mice. it looks like they do it, it gets thrown people to if necessary. you know, george? yeah. so yeah. so there's no question i think um, a lot of very good work has been done by mex booming. so yes,

i saw the right size interview with chris engines was very good is and that's, that's the lady being the case. and so, you know, we read it was sold a bill of goods off to october, the 7th, because the, the story that was put out about the $1400.00 is re, the, is the mass. a good, you know, that came, accompanied by a horror. stories about mass raids, beheaded babies, be the baby's being done to in ovens again, you know, babies being ripped out of women's rooms. and so that was essentially put out by these really propaganda machine and would eagerly repeated every hast, particularly in the united states among little upon this as of the, you know, these are the barbarians but we are dealing with but interestingly enough, because apparently these horrific and human barbarians for right now,

they're negotiating some kind of a release of hostages with, with, with these way the government and mediated by the united states and cutoff. so how can they be such a public uh, barbarians if for sitting there working out some, some kind of the hoc hostage do you largely releasing women and children. but it was very important from the stop to maintain this list as propaganda store. that's why you just keep repeating and repeating it even is more and more of this information is coming out and particularly about how it leaves the is ready. it is just if they will just the shooting all over the place. you know, they just do loosely. when i knew exactly what they were doing, that they were killing their own people and you did that. the same is a killing machine, but we kept putting out the story about, but it was bull hom, us, or just oh, you know, mass little to, well it's, it's interesting it, it's,

it's actually quite terrify. martin is a, some of the commentary, thoughtful commentary about what happened on october 7th, and the israelis that were killed that was pointed out to me that they weren't netanyahu supporters, which kind of puts a chill down your, your spine. but i wonder how many of them spelled as he's going at the moment. you know, i think we took a lot about an opinion polls around the world, but i wonder how many people was industry. i'm now with support, a continuation of what's going on and going so you know, it's, it's really substance situation we've got i don't think i've ever seen a, most of a mo incestuous relationship with western media and israel, as we see today. and i think this is partly funding assessor a feeding into the, the, the, the, the, the madness of missing yahoo. and the way he thinks is that he knows that whatever happens by the house, bad things get, we don't really have media, big media in our pocket, you know, we,

we can control absolutely everything that they do. i mean, we need on the screen symbols when cnn repulsor falls down in the mud. and she looks at the camera and she's out of breast, you know, and she's talking about what's going on. we need that. we need a title on the screen. we says this was basically made with the help pull a more or less completely low stuck in barrel by the idea of we need an idea of low good, you know, because that's the kind of reporting that i've been complaining about for years in brussels, where the price is very much to close the institutions and basically accessorize sophisticated stenographer um to the narrative. this is taken to a whole new level now and, and his route with, you know, and you've got nearly all of these general is the one i'm starting to see. now with the british, and this is the literally repeating idea of talking points. now, you know, you've got people on there who are just literally reading from the script. the date, it's because because it's so much is at stake in their minds here. okay. making any kind of admission to tear and all that gentleman, i'm going to jump in here. we're going to go to

a hard break. and after that hard break, we'll continue our discussion on palestine and free speech. stay with our to the, the, the

shoes 2060 numerous monuments to soviet soldiers and poland, ukraine and the baltic. states have been destroyed, all vandalized fish their stuff, but it must be deposited only within. yeah. unless or even some others could. i ask if i don't think so that's rather than just most of them, whether it's it's flash or what is bringing to police. government denies the rules, so it'd be its own just in the victory over notes is a and is it raising historical memories of world war 2 is the 4. can you please send me your story? although it did seem the non c regimes of trustees would remain thinks in people's consciousness, but have a but as long as russell phobia is profitable and brings dividends, you are willing to have a to rewrite the cost. yes. to use does take up the i'll provide i need to see things because to talk so i need october 30 at the

a. welcome back to the past. ok, we're all things are considered on peter lavelle. this is the home and this and remind you were discussing palestine in free speech. the a. all right, let's go back to george in budapest, as i said in my introduction, now what another casualty of these conflicts is free speech. and we saw with ukraine. um, you know, in your area, if you're against, with us in the united states and nato is doing your improvement, apologise in all of this significant. so tire segments. some, it's even worth repeating. but it's, it's on a very, like a very different. it's a different magnitude when it comes to, it's always a different magnitude when it comes to israel. and we saw during, during, particularly the error of trump f, as in steve f, as in 15 to the present. the conservatives the defending free speech and

denigrating those that you know, but we know people that need, you know, you're too sensitive. you're, you're a snowflake. you need say spaces, you know, all of that mockery. wow. it all came to it in on october 7th, didn't it? sure, did you so we've had in a recent days they say extraordinary spectacle. ah, there's a demand for censorship of a document that was published more than 20 years ago. this is an open atlanta bio solid. been logged in to the american people in which he simply re hash. many of the criticisms that many of us have been putting forward against the united states for many, many years. he didn't say anything very new in that. and no one paid any attention to them. he was up on the guardian website since 2002. and then some younger people discover that and, and the record showed videos of themselves,

reciting bits and pieces of it on, picked up. and right away the, the screen went up, take soc, is, you know, is somehow eating in a bad thing. you know, so i'm a bit love is propaganda. it must be taken down big immediately. and dick's dog in a country to the claims that is somehow the agency of the c, c, b take off, is ready to combine down all the videos and the guardian of the, you know, the top down this uh, atlanta. uh, there was nothing. it's only the video shows the the extent to which there is just the mom for censorship. and then we've also had the e loan mosque who, who has been within the process of the, you know, of many liberals for allowing free speech because he said something on the free speech. absolute is, he's not actually, but the claim to be, and that was enough to trigger, well, you know, great 0 how if you're up in the united states,

something needs to be done about the law most the u. s. and you know, as, as being only a threatening him for a long time, the european commission said that i'm not going to advertise on, on twitter. i quoted twits, i find out how to go with it because it's fine if it's everybody. next, i think we can say twitter x, that's my company, the twitter x, and now with the corporations, all the corporations. i think that's it. we're not, we're not the only business. so you know, that's it. we're not doing it. and what, what is it since it's an easy is allowing free speech? i mean it's not like you well, i guess george, this is where we are martin and free speech is anti semitism. is that where we are now? and the, i mean the thing about free speech, and i say this very much from a journalist perspective who's been sued at least 6 times by the european politicians with defamation, is the free speech is very much open to subject subjective debates. you know what is free speech?

what i find with free speech is that nearly always many every single time people will see people deletes who complain about with needing free speech and companion for free speech and buying. and the drum about free speech on never sincere the never actually really believe that what they mean is they want to free speech, which works for them. they want to free speech, which can be manipulated by wealthy people. and it's already quite well manipulated . because what i don't see with the most can i've been following this to, but you know, the whole thing about free speech elements because right, and most sense is that free speech is actually pretty ugly. and this is what we don't understand. we don't contemplate because we don't actually accept this in the day and age of social media where you can just brought people where you can, you know, wrangle your friends, do the same thing. and you have this work liberal know since now comes from people, you know, i as of whites middle class, middle aged unless i'm not allowed to talk about racism in the okay. cuz i'm not qualified to come up like that's how bad it is. that's what ridiculous it is. you know, the free speech is ugly. it really is ugly. you. oh yeah there's,

there's an extra wrinkle to a george, a jews against design is and see that's where it gets really sticky for these people. okay. because when you yeah, i think it was union station, you know, or you know, thousands and thousands of american jews got addressed identically, never again, not in my name, but it's pretty powerful. it's amazingly powerful. and it is a greatest indictment against the design isn't particularly in the united states how, how do they get out of it? they can't. oh, they con, you know, we have this a free speech supposedly on university campuses. and as you was saying, the, the, this was an issue that was being raised repeatedly by conservative for you know, your list is all the centers for debate over the discussion. and that's where young people go to grow up and realize that they are driven to many different views on the wall. the, you know, stop, stop being

a baby and them on the safe spaces. um and so, but the, the clearly the only the other day it rashid, to leave, you know, it with no, no, no favorite the my, you know, the touch or because band of the i was over the state university and we've had a whole kinds of associations as universities, you know, what, supposedly all, you know, pro palestinian or aunties really or whatever. and they're getting bad because universities are on the pressure from donors and they're under pressure of a fear of losing government contracts. and so this is the not, and this goes back to the, the issue with which a x that these cooper cobra powers of very, very susceptible to political active is often, you know, these liberals were themselves very elaborately funded. often also from the government's will these various strange organizations fighting digital hate fighting discrimination by thing as this time it is a they law the, the is

a very good is huge corporations like idea. and then they, these corporations will the massive power to bring the boat to a hill. and so it's of, it's very interesting that, you know, even when we have essentially kind of the liberal left, which supposedly was full free speech are actually very happy that the biggest, all the corporations in the world are, uh, you know, actually tracking down on speed and bringing in the oh, that's great ibm, apple dizzily versus you bring in speech to and have a great to sounds of martin jump in. i don't think the liberal left really to believe the face page. i think this one, i don't either. i don't just, i really, those are really so i mean, i've been sued by new connect. formulate elidah. saw her renders the amount of money in 2002, when i had to call them in private on. and you know what people that knew connecticut must go any of these leads, don't talk about when they talk about free speech is it, don't talk about defamation laws because defamation,

those are some advantages and so crafted for the lease. a basically built for wealthy people to many play. you can see the status single chops, you know, in a defamation lawsuit against somebody who's got, you know, a few men including the bank and when i went to london and talked to the lawyer as a private guy in a tony and chain smoking young man, the 1st thing he said to me is, have you got 25000 pounds as 825000 pounds? is that how much this case is going to cost? he said no, that's how much is going to cost just a thought. so good a little misc. it ill musk milk and you do it up and commission officials and all these people who are battling about free speech are usually from a liberal left. they don't believe afraid space because they never talk about reforming defamation laws. you know, the defamation laws are served on fairly balanced towards the leads. i'm not to most independent journalist like me. so let, let something like that jumps out. you know, whenever i think about when i'm right here, but we'll see people talking about free speech. i'm reminded of that very funny

talk soon in private i of the high court judge and his eighty's leading as a desk. i'm pointing a finger at someone that says right, we've heard your views about free speech know shut up. that really is sums up what the leads. think of freestyle, i mean that the same thing can be said george is a, you know, a free speech is all nice and fine, but this is real. and zine is a, is of a higher magnitude, a higher cost, and it is the design isn't trumps. re speech. this is essentially what they're saying. yeah. fuel. yeah. yes. that, that's right. and that's why we, we've, we've seen the deployment of the anti semitism weapons which is entirely ubiquitous because it was really mean anything. it freezing is an anti semitic, but nothing is anti so. exactly. so today, um, you know, once a game of the guardian is putting out a story on his front page about the,

the car or my, you know, the, we go to the game launching a, you know, his campaign with an empty semitic overtones. and we support the united states in the united nations security council. remarkably, it really step it's stuck out. he's like a phone very voted that way. exactly that, that's why it is so ridiculous but big but this live at this step to submit in the services of weapons is very, very useful. but to go off to the all political opponents, it was used a great deal against the trunk of, uh, royalties. he is even low, you know, i need the, he did everything that is a law school and then some of you know, he is being only sony little because of the indeed 10 scientists max of is. but if i, that's what you do, your, you go up to a political bonus, and now with this election, which is now less than a year, or what we're going to hear a lot more of is a constant drum be of, uh, you know, we saw this uh, we talked about it the on the guy go,

the economy is about the greatest threat to the world order is a tunnel from getting you to re elected as president. we have to get to see a lot more of this of the track down of free speech. and the enormous anti semitism started this. kimberly thing from from evan burton, because of the, the, the reach of social media in the end to ends. specific news outlets. i think it's wearing really saying, i mean they can bang away all they want about what is and isn't anti semitism, what words are dangerous. but when you look at those images, those videos, you can't and see them in your mind and it breaks you. it breaks me every time i look at it and it makes me much more result to take on these be go ahead, call me what you want. i don't care. go ahead, mark. yeah. yeah. upsets me a lot as well. you know, but when i see from a distance, when i step back, i see this as a consequence of media eroding their, their own values over the last name. can't,

i mean i've got friends 59 for 30 years in the u. k. who have blocked me now on social media because they are obviously not getting on their time lines on their social media feeds. anything relating to the atrocities of palestinians leading up to whatever the sense. well, i mean, but this is what was happening and it says, what's happened here, lee? you know, we had russia gate, i lost a lot of friends of that. with the 2020 election. i lost a lot of friends ukraine. i lost a lot of friends. now with the guys i'm losing a lot more friends. okay. it's good because our, our get obsessed with these certain topics and they can no, no longer reason. gentleman, that's all the time we have one. i think, my guess in budapest, any medication, we think our viewers for watching us here at our team. so you next time we member across cycles, the

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