x among people, but ellipse don't change and that's the hypocrisy george excessive the right then it goes, goes during the now almost 2 years of this war in your brain. and we're, we have many occasions to point out then while the leads of your, of all the boards sort of on the lines and then the bars, jones and then the re, she's soon acts on the microphones. and the searching shows is they constantly talking about ukraine, constantly bare raging russia. there was no echo on the public. and then no one's did was any demonstrations against russia. no one's that was the any. a mass riley is outside the russian embassy anyway. it was as far as the, the public was concerned, this was a war that should never have stopped it. and that it was, or that this is something that a government project. now, the same thing is happening in the case of the israel. clearly,

the public in europe and in the united states wants to cease fire, will oppose showing the mass demonstrations that we see through in, you know, in, in so many places that all of them are ac is higher. but how do the leads respond to that? well, they keep talking about october, the 7th says how much is already been more than a month since october the so they're still told by the pick up, any major newspaper, this boy's going to be getting another story about what, what, what really happened of october. the 7th and how people feel and how they respond that the one i have because they continue want to generate this as a, as a means of, of ensuring support for what israel is doing a service. so you know how much they may report. you know, this of that, you know, the other people hospital and so and you know that bad or yeah. now suppose the $11000.00 balancing civilians are there. oh,

but let's go back to the with the 7. and then how did you feel about when you read about of the size of it? and of course, you know, like, uh, networks like cnn. um, they are partnered up with the idea of so they, you know, they can be given a, a chaperones view of things. okay. completely sanitized. there are plenty of outlets that are showing well for quite frankly gentlemen, some of the most terrific things i've ever seen in my life. okay. it is. so her basic, but i'm george brought up october 7th. well martin? well, what actually did happen on october 7th? because that is a, that is a very animated, vivid conversation is true itself, but doesn't seem to get further than that. it's really, it's a stone being and how much western media outlets will speak to a narrative when in israel itself it is hotly contested. martin, the general is done where the light to um, jump a belt with the narratives and you know, follow this adage, a new full and have

a change his mind. another tool when, when we say we, when we jets into was, was around the world with generally general, just like to stick to a single narrative. and when they arrived in ukraine, you're the now to was already crafted for them and then cultivated even further by a formidable fake news operation and kiff funded by the americans. of course, the same story and all of that was have come with going right back to you this love you. i think you know, the same things happened in israel. one of the things that i'm the one of the things that the now and see if this is very hell bent on doing is creating a starting point. this is where the new stuff, you know, i'm so don't waste of time looking at background, a new inspector to waste your time. google's a, it starts on these dates in a suit with ukraine. of course it was in the when, when the, when the russian division and i'm now is israel is october the 7th. but your question to all right, good question. i might say pizza,

i think is going to form an awful lot of people because what we're seeing now is there are few. john, listen, a very small cub of general is who don't accept the terms of narrative. i was starting to look very closely at video and other forensic evidence about what didn't happen and what you see when you scrape away the surface. you see a lot of these attacks on the books. well, not only from the thomas fire and a k 47, so that these poor people, i'm not defending a tool and it was pulling, but also the idea of turned up and then put in it and then waited in themselves. and because what we're not reading from west in general is, is the idea funny as real, has a very, very strong policy, rather certainly policies in, um, not letting hostages being taken. and we don't read this a lot, but that is the true 7. so that could books killings a lot of them. now, you know, there's an excellent journalist in, in, in israel, co jones and cook who's expose the cubits claims on the bbc coverage also,

you know, and the same thing goes with the pop concept. if you actually look at the video footage which is available, even the idea if i'm assuming that you have hundreds of calls which are just shot to pieces by the high kind of the machine guns which can only come from tanks. you know, so that's when the idea of turned up and probably saw a panic and suit of the hundreds of people escaping call. being called, i'm driving and also to directions and they have to be stopped because idea of does not allow its own people to be taken prisoners. and that's a flip side to the also some story which is not being reported a tool, you know, but i think um, i think we are living in an unprecedented age of fake news, which we've never seen before. no, nothing on this scale before, not in ukraine building syria. you know, this, these, i'm sure videos the, the idea. so just loving the internet with, you know, back, sorry, on such a big way. i mean the whole well, you know, we get to okay, i'm glad you. i'm glad you brought that up because i do even this morning i saw

a number of these fake videos amateur videos supported by the israeli stage or a is really media outlets. and if you've been watching a number of a news outlets that actually already have a unfettered access and you look at the, the videos, these terrific videos and then you look at the fake ones and he, i mean, it just, you just kind of little laugh up your slee behavior, these, there's not even comparable, you know, george, one of the interesting things about the story of october as a sub. and is it, it kind of puts in relief in the, in a very sharp way is that the adf is willing to kill the palestinians on mice. it looks like they do it, it gets thrown people too, if necessary. you know, george. yeah. so, yeah. so there's no question i think um, a lot of very good work has been done by mex blooming. so yes, i saw the interview with chris edges was very good. yes. and that's,

that's the lady being the case. and so, you know, we read it was sold a bill of goods off to october, the 7th, because the, the story that was put out about the $1400.00 is re these mass, a good, you know, that came accompanied by a horror stories about mass rapes, uh, be headed babies, uh, be the babies being born to in albums. again, you know, babies being ripped out of women's rooms. and so that was essentially put out by these really propaganda machine and would easily repeat the re hashed um, particularly in the united states among little upon this as of the, you know, these are the barbarians but we are dealing with but interestingly enough, because apparently these horrific and julian barbarians for right now, they're negotiating some kind of a release of hostages with, with,

with these ready government and mediated by the united states and cuts off. so how can they be such a re take of barbarians if for sitting there working out some, some kind of the hoc hostage deal largely releasing women and children. but it was very important from the stop to maintain this list as propaganda store. that's why you just keep repeating and repeating it even is more and more of this information is coming out and particularly about how it leaves the is ready. it is just if they will just the shooting all over the place, even though they just do loosely. when i knew exactly what they were doing, that they were killing their own people. and you did that. the same is a killing machine, but we kept putting out the story about, but it was bull on us for just a little, you know, mass slow to well it's, it's interesting and it's, it's actually quite terrify. martin is a, some of the commentary, thoughtful commentary about what happened on october 7th,

and the israelis that were killed that was pointed out to me that they weren't netanyahu's supporters, which kind of puts a chill down your, your spine. but i wonder how many of them suppose he's got at the moment. you know, i think we talked a lot about an opinion suppose around the world, but i wonder how many people was in this room now, which support continuation of what's going on and going so, you know, it's, it's really substance situation we've got i don't think i've ever seen, most of a mo incestuous relationship with western media and israel as we see today. and i think this is partly funding assessor a feeding into the, the, the, the, the, the madness of missing yahoo. and the way he thinks is that he knows that whatever happens by the house, bad things get, we don't only have media big media in our pocket, you know, we, we can control absolutely everything that they do. i mean,

we need on the screen symbols when cnn reports or falls down in the mud. and she looks at the camera and she's out of breast, you know, and she's talking about what's going on. we need that. we need a title on the screen. we says this was basically made with the help for a more or less completely low stuck in barrel by the idea of we need an idea of low good, you know, because that's the kind of reporting that i've been complaining about for years in brussels, where the price is very much to close the institutions and basically accessorize sophisticated stenographer to the narrative. this is taken to a whole new level now in tennis route with, you know, and you've got nearly all of these general is the one i'm starting to see. now what the british term is, they are literally repeating id of talking points. now, you know, you've got people on there who are just literally reading from the script. the date, it's because because it's so much is at stake in their minds here, okay. making any kind of admission to tear and all that gentleman,

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the welcome back to the cross talk were all things are considered. i'm peter labelle. this is the home addition to remind you. we are discussing palestine in free speech. the a. all right, let's go back to georgia in budapest. as i said in my introduction, now what another casualty of these complex is free speech. and we saw with ukraine . um, you know, in your area, if you're against, with us in the united states and nato is doing your improvement, apologise in all of this significant. so tire segments. some,

it's even worth repeating. but it's, it's on a very gate and a very different. it's a different magnitude when it comes to, it's always a different magnitude when it comes to israel. and we saw during, during, particularly the error of trump f, as in steve f, as in 15 to the present. the conservatives the defending free speech and denigrating, those that you know, but we know people that need, you know, you're too sensitive. you're, you're the a snowflake. you need say spaces, you know, all of that mockery. wow. it all came to it in on october 7th, didn't it? sure. did you so we've had in a recent days they say extraordinary spectacle. ah, there's a demand for censorship of a document that was published more than 20 years ago. this is an open letter bio solid. been logged in to the american people in which he simply re hashed many of the criticisms that many of us have been putting forward against the united states

for many, many years. he didn't say anything very new in that. and no one paid any attention to them. he was up on the guardian website since 2002. and then some younger people discover that and, and so record a showed videos of themselves, reciting bits and pieces of it on, picked up. and right away the, the screen went up. take soc, is, you know, is somehow eating in a bad thing. you know, so i'm a bit alive is propaganda. it must be taken down big immediately. and dick's dog in a country to the claims that is somehow the agency of the c, c, b take off is ready to combine down all the videos. and the guardian was a, you know, the top down this uh, atlanta. there was nothing. it's only the video shows the the extent to which there is just the mom for censorship. and then we've also had the

e loan mosque who, who has been within the cross as, oh, the, you know, of many liberals for allowing free speech because he said something on the free speech. absolute is, he's not actually, but the claim to be and that was enough to trigger, well, you know, great 0 how the urban, the united states, something needs to be done about the law most the u. s. and you know, as, as being on the threatening him for a long time, the european commission said that i'm not going to advertise on, on twitter. i quoted twits, i find it comfortable. it is fine if it's everybody. next, i think we can say twitter x, that's my comp, the weather x, and now with the corporations, all the corporations. i think that's it. when i went up idea, idea of the disney, disney. so you know, that's it. we're not doing it. and what, what is it since it's an easy is allowing free speech? i mean it's not like you well, i guess george, this is where we are martin and free speech is anti semitism. is that where we are

now? i mean, the thing about free speech, and i say this very much from a german, this perspective who's been sued at least 6 times by the european politicians with defamation is to free speech is very much open to subject subjective debates. you know what is free speech? what i find with free speech is that nearly always many every single time people will see people deletes who complain about with needing free speech and companion for free speech and buying and the drum about free speech and never sincere the never actually really believes in it what they mean is they want to free speech, which works for them. they want a free speech which can be manipulated by wealthy people, and it's already quite well manipulated because what i don't see with that on most can i've been following this debate. you know, the whole thing about free speech elements because right, and most sense is that free speech is actually pretty ugly. this is what we don't understand. we don't contemplate because we don't have to accept this in the day and age of social media away. you can just brought people where you can, you know,

hiring we offense, do the same thing. and you have this work liberal know since now comes from people, you know, i as a white middle class, middle aged unless i'm not allowed to talk about racism in the u. k. cuz i'm not qualified because i'm a black. that's how bad it is. that's a ridiculous it is, you know, to free speech is ugly. it really is ugly. you. oh yeah there's, there's an extra wrinkle to a george, a jews against design is and see that's where it gets really sticky for these people. okay. because when you yeah, i think it was union station, you know, or you know, thousands and thousands of americans use the address identically, never again, not in my name. that's pretty powerful. it's amazingly powerful. and it is the greatest indictment against the design isn't particularly in the united states how, how do they get out of it? they can't. oh, they come. and then we have this a free speech, supposedly on university campuses. and as you was saying,

p to this was the issue is being raised repeatedly by conservative for you know, your list is all the centers for debate level discussion. and that's where young people go to grow up and realize that there are many different views on the wall. the, you know, stop, stop being a baby and the mom saved spaces. um and so, but the, the clearly the only the other day it rashid, to leave, you know, it with no, no, no favorite. the my, you know, a tough talk was bad to be. i was over the state university and we've had a little kinds of associations have universities. you know, what, supposedly all, you know, pro palestinian or, and these really or whatever. and they're getting bad because universities are on the pressure from donors, and they're under pressure of a fear of losing government contracts. and so this is the not, and this goes back to the, the issue with which a x that these cooper in the cobra powers of very,

very susceptible to political active is often, you know, these liberals were themselves very lavishly funded. often also from the government's will these various strange organizations fighting digital hate fighting discrimination by thing at this time it is a, they'll all be the is a very good is huge corporations like ibm and then they, these corporations will the massive power to bring the boat to a hill, and so it's of, it's very interesting that, you know, even we, we have essentially kind of the liberal left, which supposedly was full free speech are actually very happy that the biggest, all the corporations in the world are, uh, you know, actually tracking down on speed and bringing in the oh, that's great ibm, apple dizzily versus you bring in speech to and i have great 2 thumbs up about learning. jump in. i don't think the liberal left really to believe in the face page. i think this one, i don't either, don't just read us or really so, i mean,

i've been sued by new connect. formulate elidah. saw her renders the amount of money in 2002, when i had to call them in private on. and you know what people that knew kinetic or must go any of these leaves don't talk about when they talk about free speech is it, don't talk about defamation laws. because defamation, those are some advantages and so crafted for the lease a basically built for wealthy people to many play. you can see the status single chops, you know, in a different nation lawsuit against somebody who's got you know, a few minute including the bank. and when i went to london and talked to the lawyer as a private i, in a tony and chain smoking young man, the 1st thing he said to me is, have you got 25000 pounds? i said 25000 pounds. is that how much this case is gonna cost? you said no, that's how much is going to cost just a thought. so there's a little misc, it ill musk and milk, and you do it up. and commission officials and all these people who are battling about free speech are usually from a liberal left. they don't believe in a free speech because they never talk about reforming defamation laws. you know,

the, the defamation rules are so i'm fairly balanced towards deletes. i'm not to most independent journalist like me. so that's something like that jumps out, you know, whenever i think about when i went here, but we'll see people talking about free speech. i'm reminded of that very funny talk soon in private i of the high court judge in his eighty's leaning as a desk and pointing a finger at someone that says right, we've heard your views about free speech now shut up. that really is sums up what the leads think of frequent. i mean that the same thing can be said george is a, you know, a free speech is all nice and fine, but this is real. and zine is a, is of a higher magnitude, a higher cost, and it is the design is in trump's re speech. this is essentially what they're saying. yeah. fuel. yeah, yes. that, that's right. and that's why we, we've, we've seen that deployment of the anti semitism weapons, which is in china. you bake with us because there's already mean anything. it

freezing is an anti semitic, but nothing is anti so exactly. so today, um, you know, once the game of the guardian is putting out a story on his front page about the, the car or my, you know, the, we go to the game launching a, you know, his campaign with an empty semitic overtones. and we support the united states in the united nations security council. remarkably, it really step it's stuck out. he's like only voted that way. exactly. that that's why it is so ridiculous, but big but this way, look at this step, the submitted in the so it doesn't, weapon is very, very useful. but to go off to the all political opponents, it was used a great deal against the trunk of, uh, royalties. he is even low. you know, i mean, he did everything that is a law school and then some of you know, he has this being always something

a little because of the indeed 10 scientists max of is. but if i, that's what you do, your, you go up your political brothers, and now with this election, which is now less than a year away, we're going to hear a lot more of this. a constant drum be of, uh, you know, we saw this uh, we talked about it on the guy go, the economy is about the greatest threat to the world. all that is a tunnel from getting re elected as president. we have to get to see a lot more of this of the track down of free speech and the enormous anti semitism threats emanating from, from evan burton because of the, the, the reach of social media. and in specific news outlets, i think it's wearing really staying, i mean they can bang away all they want about what is and isn't anti semitism, what words are dangerous. but when you look at those images, those videos, you can't and see them in your mind. and it breaks you, it breaks me every time i look at it and it makes me much more result to take on

these be go ahead, call me what you want. i don't care. go ahead, mark. yeah. and upsets me a little as well. you know? but when i see from a distance, when i step back, i see this as a consequence of media eroding their, their own values of a loss and can't, i mean i've got friends, 59 facility is in the u. k. who have blocked me now on social media because they are obviously not getting on their time lines on their social media feeds. anything relating to the atrocities of palestinians leading up to whatever the sense. well, let me, but this is what was happening and this is what's happened here. and hopefully, you know, we had russia gate. i lost a lot of friends of the way the 2020 election. i lost a lot of friends ukraine. i lost a lot of friends. now with the guys, i'm losing a lot more friends. okay. it's good because our, our get obsessed with these certain topics and they can no, no longer reason. gentleman, that's all the time we have one. i think,

my guess in budapest, any medication, we think our viewers for watching us here are teen. so you, next time we member cross knuckles, the sues 20. 60 numerous monuments to some of the of soldiers in poland, ukraine and the baltic states have been destroyed or vandalized fish their stuff, but it must be the full certainly within. yeah. unless or even some others could ask if i'm in the field that's the most on whether it's expressed. so i'm was just putting in the police government denies the rules, so it'd be its own just in the victory of a non system. and is it raising historical memories of world war 2? it is the story. although it did seem the non c regimes, the trustees would remain, thinks in people's consciousness forever. but as long as russell phobia is

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