that they're more likely to identify with the colonial mindset, the mindset of the people being colonial. now, it doesn't matter how you see the foundation of israel is being willing to injure strong. the, the reality is that it couldn't have been established without phone imperial control. and the colonization of the land of a land that was already populated by the indigenous people. so the colonial mindset dominates less than thinking. and so the idea of this combination of historical jewish drama, and a colonial project that the western lines seems perfectly natural. so from the western point of view, that motion would like to do identify with the colonizer that the people didn't call on, even after all the progress. and so many people are talking about industry on, on television. i mean, you've, you've compared the lies in a donation. media about what's happening in gaza to the lives told the about vietnam before. um, uh the great and like den eligible who's been on this show actually, why,

why do they lie? again, it's a, it's a, is an, a service of imperial policy so that the united states has the biggest empire in the history of the world. is god, what a 100 military bases internationally it dominates the world culturally and less. so was china rising, but used to donated economically as well? and it's the united states decided a long time ago, just as breton decided back in 1917. and the 1920 is that. it's an interest of the british empire to establish a jewish entity in palestine. i'm quoting winston churchill. in the same way, the united states decided that it's in his interest to have this on single aircraft carrier goes to 0 in the middle east, and the trash always serves the interests of the imperial project.

so if you look at any number of american wars of vietnam based on the package legalize the gulf of tonkin incident, for example, that gave the excuse to the americans to bundle as we have now never even happened . but all the press reporters, as reality, the weapons of mass destruction, which was the excuse to invade iraq, which a 5 year old child could tell was it could be concoction. nevertheless, the press enthusiast will be tempted. and so for the last 6070 years, this depresses them tuesday as a lead trumpet at all. all the is really talking points and totally ignore the, the, the occupation and the impression on the repeated killings of palestinians. because it suits american imperial policy, which is what the, the press is subservient to, you know, what? and then 10 years, 15 years later, they'll do some soul searching. oh my god, we made

a mistake. ellsberg was right. you know, pentagon papers was right. we have now was based on a buckle buys or they'll do some soul searching. oh my god, there are no weapons of mass destruction. but the next door that comes along, they'll always fall into line. and they're doing that right now as well. and you think this is a conscious slide, i mean, clearly you've been talking design is communities in recent weeks, a mid sphere that you cause a genocide. then i'm going to say they know they're lying. and then what hillary clinton, she knows she's lying when she talks about bedded babies, and the need to ball most for those. i don't know if this people at the top nor their line or whether they're so bought into the so boxed into the 80 ology that they'd be serving all the allies so that they're saying on fluids. but on the actual line, probably sometimes they are. but probably also often they believe what they're saying, because i think when you consider who rises to the top in the system,

nobody was, speaks the truth ever rises to the top. so there's a selection process that happens, but then you get the level of a clinton or a well joe biden, or re issue some smack or justin too though, for that matter, they've been through some of the processes that they have to prove their loyalty to the system now by the time they raised the only the most loyal get there. and so it's hard to tell whether they're lying sometimes or whether just sincerely telling . uh, untruth is, you know, i, i'd have to talk to them personally. i can't tell i, i suspect they do both. and even though they do but, and in this context where the peoples of nato countries of united states invest in your backing to the hilt of the israeli over ations on, on guys of the, the weaponry they've billions of dollars of age and so on. what is the rest of us

and the people? how do they cope? i mean, of course, we're not, we're just forgetting for a 2nd. the trauma of all those survivors in, in gaza tonight and today. what, how do you suggest people cope with the trauma of those feeling hopeless in nato countries, arming the legs, genocide as they watch it on social media feeling deck is nothing they can do to stop it. but of course, reality is that these nice movements that arise in response to these horrors, they have their expressions, and a lot of people come together like guns, a 1000 people them. but um, uh, a few days ago. um, but you know, it's, it's hard to keep up those kind of movements, you know, and the governments don't care. and the way what i say to people is number one, do the work. and this is for me as much as anybody else. do the work, speak you to speak,

and as long as you can connect with other people as much as you can, but don't be attached to the outcome. you know, going to that the outcome defeats, you know, that you have contributed to truth in the world by or pausing some atrocity. but don't take it personally because historically, the good guys always lows. that's just how it is, you know, and, and you have to just make accept the fact that you can do, but it's something you've spoken the truth. you're, you've helped to sign something like those temporarily. i hope you mean. so well, you lose temporarily. yeah. but you can do to something important to know role in the long term. so does that mean my point that your contribution has not been in vain? and there's a family jewish rabbi said 2000 years ago or a little bit more that the task is not yours to finish. but neither are you see not to take part in it. and so, so do you make your contribution?

but don't do that as to the outcome. okay, then whatever's going well, what about the this association then between the killing of children and those working on the weapons that you know, britain's biggest manufacturers be a systems, northrop grumman, raphael and boeing in your country in the united states. and of course, the canadian military and the associated companies, as part of the military industrial complex is massive in nature countries. how do you explain that this association between the work is work on the weapons doing the killing that will and act as musicians and so on. told by their agents and studios and publishers just don't speak out and don't do what you just said about the need to follow your conscience or something like that. in canada, in canada, there's been a number of people in the arts world who have lost their jobs because of speaking out um, in here in vancouver, where i live. there are um,

academics of spoken to not being threatened by the union by their employing institutions. those are the to let people look like this. they do such things. i mean the, ours, my on the manufacturer is on this a little dissociation that they, they're cut off from the humanity that they, they couldn't be connected to this as a commodity. and do the job that they do. and i know lots of people are able to be very nice to their families and their dogs was filled with terrible things are there in the world, you know, and this is a well known phenomenon. you know, so that this, the association between what i do in the world and what i allow myself to feel is, is a very common human trait. and a lot of society, i use it to, it's like that and smells only like that in the west is like that internationally. as long as there's another kind of association us talking to

a young muslim student here to, you know, so there's going to be a, she says that she's not being on her body is the only way she can. so i, you know, so that, oh, actually she was worried about she's, and i mean, obviously i'm not feeling my feelings. i said listen, don't worry about it, that's the organisms attempt to survive or to when you are what's on your bill. we'll come back to your feelings later. so, so that this association it can serve the function of doing terrible things in the world. but sometimes it's also a response to too much pain in the world. i mean, clearly inside edition about the holocaust came through slowly. at 1st it was rumor 1st about what the nazis were doing. i don't know that. i mean, i see it's all because you're in canada and we saw a true to applauding a member of the nazi s. s. so there's some just associations going on that. but today we can use social media to see what's happening on this industrial scale in

real time. well, and that's a germany and then that to did everything they could to actually hide what they were doing. so that i actually fully believe that although most german saw the anti jewish laws and practices and to an end violence of the nancy's, they didn't know about auschwitz, you know, they didn't know about treblinka. sometimes they didn't want to know, but they didn't know which doesn't mean that they didn't support the anti semitism in the you know, the nancy state but is specifically know about the atrocities. many people did. of course, many soldiers saw them, but just been there must have thought about it at home, but it wasn't on the mass media. what is particularly horrendous right now, and i think it's a politically dark time in the world. and i've talked a lot of people about this is that we're seeing it happen. we're seeing babies

bond this effect as being the lives of their children or the rental doctor got all my tell you. i'll have to stop you that more from the renown physician and award winning goals after this break the . and there's no end in sight over how you're going to continue to destroy the earth. is the case for the madness of the people. i tried to go to the gym, but i'm certainly not ready to fight russia. this is also of soon. this is the 3rd world lunacy re washing press for so the funder line likes to say we have the tools while we just start with stability and business deals, which allow me something living on my have very close propaganda. you know

a price here in new york. i think we don't know the aftermath any time that you're not allowed to ask questions, you should ask all of the questions. the more questions ask the better the answer is will be the a hi,

i'm rick sanchez. and i'm here to plan with you whatever you do. do not watch my new show. seriously. why watch something that's so different. little opinions that he won't get anywhere else. welcome to please, or do the have the state department c i a weapons, bankers, multi 1000000000 dollar corporations. choose your facts for you. go ahead. change and whatever you do. don't want my show stay main street because i'm probably going to make you, i'm comfortable. my show is called direction, but again, you probably don't wanna watch it because it might just change the way and say welcome back to going underground. i'm still here with renown vision and award winning goals. i don't you got all of my tag. so sorry, i don't come out today for interrupting you and ended, but when we were talking about the real time viewing of people billions around the world of what's happening in gaza. i was saying that what makes this

a particularly dark time right now is that we're always seeing lot, you know, in live action, almost the dismemberment, the young children and parents digging their kids out of the rubble and the politicians are just saying, this is okay. and, and the media for the most part is justifying it. and there's a huge disconnect with move up. people are watching and what they're being told. and i think that's hard for a lot of people are right now. and this is almost unprecedented. it's, it's impossible to compare corrupt these atrocities. and let me just say for the record that october, the 7th was, itself is an atrocity. and my view um, but this ongoing, they have play cruelty, unspeakable cruelty that we're witnessing. the interface of media support

and the political class in most of the western world is just cheering it on. it's the darkest thing i've ever seen in my whole life. and that's saying a lot is really saying a lot coming for coming from you. obviously. i mean you did mentioned october 7th. the israel is indeed an apartheid state as a israeli a n g o is like, but selim say does that justify events like october? the 7th, i mean, nelson mandela's dad's now i have interviewed him and of course he believed in the use of violence against civilians in the fight against apartheid. south africa not nothing justifies october. the 7th i don't, but it's not a question to justify anything. is the collection of, do we understand it and how do we understand it and how do we move forward to something different? and there's always this question of is, is it is really

a response start over the 7th port portion of the disproportionate. well, another question is, is that the, the 7 portion of those funds to 80 years of oppression and apartheid in killings and massacres. so you can begin with october, the 7th. and i don't believe that the feeling, but i firmly reject the idea that it is legitimate to kill one on people and children and all the people and so on. at the same time, when you look at where that arise from, where that came from, which is, as other people have know, that as being called the world's largest concentration camp in 2005 people are blaming home us. and i'm not here to support on us. i don't i come on so i don't like what they stand for, what they do. they do their own p, the factor, even if i say that to push them back to the i know, but we might get on to why you feel. you have to say that because generally yes. oh,

yeah, no, yeah, because the colonization is tilted in such a way as to make it necessary to even say that, you know, but what i was gonna say was that in 2005, there was a study done in guys internationally actually looking at children in war zones, the more as traumatized kids in the world with the kids living in gaza. this before almost took over. so it's, you know, so in other words, well, we have here is generations of trauma as children growing up and it's open their prison looking across the fields where the families used to live in work. and when they do peaceful protests, they're picked up by his early sniper. you know, so why don't we asking was october the 7th, a full portion that response to is ready for us. where are we asking is on the bottom, your browser, but person to talk over the 7. i mean, it's a completely a store call and as is really historian, you know,

i'm puppy talks about the historic size, the action of, of the situation. so in the west and media, every attempt is made to the store size of the so like it happened in a vacuum. it's not a justification to say that it did not happen in a vacuum. it happened after decades of collective, brutal trauma visited on the palestinians. that's ongoing. well, that's what it was that, that's what i told you. gutierrez said, of course, and israel cooled under the resignation of the un secretary general and the non pop a week, a be able to see our interview with him on the rumble channel after october, the 7th. but you know about this region. you ford for through. you've studied this area all your life, given me. what about uh, they were on the hundreds of thousands of the seats of britain and so many tens of thousands. and so in the united states, the cities across the country and in north america. what about the powells favorite

stand by of human nature? how do you expect the use the events there are those that don't really understand the situation in palestine. to further the idea that this is somehow to do with human nature, and that the new kind really strengthened the belief that human nature has the potential to be good out of what we're watching on our social media. at the moment in my book to mr. norma, would you kindly mention there's a chapter on the sort of human nature and the argument is that human nature is by the necessity, aggressive and individualistic, and am now style and violent and so on. total nonsense, you know, um human nature is a range of potentials and it's a question of what conditions give rise to what kind of potentials my son, the annual who you haven't met. but my 2nd son, let's just say my 1st and my eldest son into 2 young is really is, and instagram

a few days ago, were against or were against what this side is doing. well, if this human nature, why and a supporting the war to, you know, i mean, she looked at the boat, it was a human being, hitler was a human being. jesus was a human being and tell him, was a human being. and joe biden is a human being and the sort of the people that oppose job i'm so there is no human nature. what there is that's, that lives there is, are systems that promo to one aspect of human potential another. but people are faithful being infinitely cruel. and incidentally kind and the question is, what kind of conversations that we need to have and what kind of conditions you need to establish. they'll promote the be not in on folding over a potential, as opposed to the violent and aggressive and cruel ones. aside from the political structures obviously here in the systems,

then how do you think fear perpetuates these mastic as of, of babies and children, fear of vitamins warships you mentioned by doing the being a human, the fear of a politician. well look for your father lost in sphere of speaking out fee is of a uh you know, at the anti defamation league i understand cold. jewish groups though is afford piece hate groups. yeah. yeah. yeah. and just like me, i always told there were full of self hatred and then it was nonsense. you know, you can only laugh if it wasn't so tragic. but um, so known chowsky said that there's nothing more easy than to make the american people afraid. and fear is a powerful form of political control. because then people are afraid, the rational parts of the mind goes offline and they go into defensive mode and defensive mode, they're willing to, but with any kind of aggression. now look to be fair. after october the 7th.

and there's every reason why many israelis will go into fear and mode. i mean, some thing terrible happened in the last people and you know, no, they also doing so in a vacuum, but they don't understand the boston and situation at all. they're not taught it. they're taught to ignore it, but nevertheless, a lot of fear that somebody has nothing. yahoo! who has practice the same policies all his life. he doesn't need fear to do all this. he will pass the proposed indians. he has been tortured. he has their villages taken over by settlers. he belongs browser repeatedly getting hundreds of people. but he'll take that fear and he'll use it to justify the worst kind of atrocities. and that's what politicians do. so the vietnam war withdrawal based on his dominated theory, that is true that the climate is degree and then they're going to take over the

whole world. so you make the american people afraid and that allows you to manipulate them into is not but disappearing. intimate participating in but also condoning the worst kind of atrocities. so fear is both a genuine and human response to thread. but it's also a political to, to manipulate populations with and fear some might say is a part of modern life. i mean, katy, there's a fear in the highly unstable economy about feeding your family. uh, the idea are in mass. i'm huge. your news is often to try and create fear of your next door neighbor because make the world see more criminal than it is stuff i lied say. so how do you, how do you go past this fear and somehow and daily at the moment the fear mongering is done as how mos are isis of regardless of whether the united states

were involved with isis. and they're trying to make americans and canadians feel that somehow mice and going to attack these, the place in vancouver or something. well, that's the conversation that's going on is that, you know, almost wants to kill all the jews in the world, and they're going to feed them there. they're going to come out to, you know, realistically picking is speaking, just a little nonsense. a mazda is a relatively small organization compared to say, these real estate living in a area of 5 miles, but 25 miles highly controlled. they've always been the so they could sting is are all, but they could never pose any dangerous signal, significant the entropy to let alone jews and the rest of the world. that's the 1st point. the 2nd point is, let's assume that how most is you heading organization. that's all it is. let's just assume that for a minute. for the sake of argument, who are these people in almost the same time with the children that i mentioned,

or go into the study in 2005. where are you the most traumatized population in the world? and when most jews, they see where are the uniforms with the star of david and the youth and everything that's being done to them is done in the name of the jewish state. and the major jewish organizations in the world by and large line up with what's happening to them and justify it and have for decades. do we have to do? we have to identify the hatred of law, most of member for doing business with historic interest images in europe is not the same. i'm not just to find it again and just saying there's nothing more natural then under those conditions, traumatized people will. they ate their oppressors, and if the oppressors are saying we're doing this as jews in the name of the jewish

people, what do we expect? and so i wasn't the only one who responded to october, the 7th, in a very um, mixed way. i know, and i thought it was horrible. and at the same time i thought, what does the expect after all these back is what did they expect? and that wasn't the only one lot of people who visited the place, like i have been to the occupied territories who, who know the situation 1st. and that's how still it to be. we're the ones, when i say we, i mean these really i don't identify with as a state, but essentially state but by the colonial powers. going back to the 19 twenty's that i've created a situation where there's gonna be a lot of hatred. and what's really interesting is if you look at the major design is leaders of been going on. the job within ski begwayne was the 1st by minister,

the 0 loading. the drivetrain ski found the, the version is honest. when of the scientists move in, which became her route, which be led by begun and fundamentally by shamir, and later on by shamir, both been going in a gelatin ski as well as the motion of the day on, even in the 1950s said the recall what the odds are doing cameras and but all they're doing is they're defending the land from us. don't take a moment. okay, thank you. all right, thank you. and that's it for the show. and condolences from the whole team here we're going underground to those bereaved by the ongoing violence here in the middle east. we'll be back with a brand new episode on saturday, but until then, keep in touch by the social media. if it's not sense that in your country and had to have channel going on the ground to be on level, don't come to watch. new and old episodes of going underground sees that the

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