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the hello and welcome across stock were all things are considered non peter level war is the lowest storm of human behavior, and so is a popular see west and a lead support. the wars and ukraine and israel, but their publics. don't. another casualty is the war on free speech. conservatives be clowned themselves for demanding, in israel, exception the

to discuss these issues and more, i'm joined by my guess, george samuel, we in budapest, he's a pod counselor at the goggle, which can be found on youtube and locals in america. we have martin j. c is an award winning journalist and commentator or a gentleman cross that goes in effect. that means he can jump any time you want and i always appreciate it. right, let's start out with george in budapest. the, the hypocrisy is becoming more and more obvious that you know, mean was pretty obvious in the beginning, but now which is in plain sight for everyone to see particularly, and how the, the war in uh, guards as being presented to western publics. even some of the videos that they claim is a in support of israel's guys is actually the reverse. okay. or there was a very unconvincing uh, showing a roster of who is watching. they may be hostages underneath the south. the hospital actually it was just a calendar in arabic. okay. and then we have um,

american jews against zionism being betrayed is you know, right, it's just an out of control, but no, the police are the ones that are right, isn't out of control. so it's, it's really turning everything upside down. and as i said in my introduction, these wars in, in ukraine and, and israel, least in, in, in, in, for regard. so they're demanding a ceasefire across the board. something that's bi partisan and in the public. and the more and ukraine is becoming less and less popular among people, but it leads don't change. and that's the hypocrisy george, to the right then it goes, goes during the now almost 2 years of this war in ukraine. and we have many occasions to point out then while the leads of your, of all the boards sort of on the lions and the bars. jones and originally soon acts

on the microphones. and the searching shows is they constantly talking about ukraine, constantly bare raging russia. there was no echo on the public. now. no one's did was any demonstrations against russia. no one's that was the any. a mass riley is outside the russian embassy anyway. it was as far as the, the public wisdom. so this was a war that should never have started and that it was a, this is something that a government project. now the same thing is happening um, in the case of the israel, clearly the public in europe and in the united states wants to cease fire, will oppose showing the mass demonstrations that we see through in, you know, and so many places they have all of them all is c as high, but how does the leads respond to that? well, they keep talking about october, the 7th says how much is already been more than a month since october?

the so there's still told by the, so if you pick up any major newspaper, there's boys going to be getting all the story about what, what, what really happened the, some of them, how people feel and how they respond. that the one i have because they continue want to generate this as a, as a means of, of ensuring support for what israel is doing a service. so, you know, i would much, that may report, you know, this of that, you know, the other people hospital and so and you know that, that bad or. yeah. now suppose the 11000 pounds name civilians of the oh, but let's go back to the with a 7. how did you feel about when you read about of the size of it? and of course, you know, like, um, uh, networks like cnn. um, they are partnered up with the idea of so they, you know, they can be given a, um, uh, chaperones view of things. okay. completely sanitized. there are plenty of outlets that are showing well for quite frankly gentlemen,

some of the most terrific things i've ever seen in my life. okay. it is. so her basic, but i'm george brought up october 7th. well martin? well, what actually did happen on october 7th? because that is a, that is a very animated, vivid conversation is true itself, but doesn't seem to get further than that. it's really, it's a stone being and how much western media outlets will speak to a narrative when in israel itself, it is hotly contested. martin, the general is done pretty light to jump about with the narratives. and, you know, follow this adage on you full and have a change his mind. another tool when, when we say we, when we jets into was was that was around the world would generally generally just like to stick to a single narrative. and when they arrived in ukraine, you the now to was already crafted for them and then cultivated even further by a formidable fake news operation and kiff funded by the americans. of course,

the same story and all of that was have come with going right back to you this logo . and i think, you know, the same things happened in israel. one of the things that i'm the one of the things that the now and see if this is very hell bent on doing is creating a starting point. this is where the new stuff, you know, i'm so don't waste of time looking at background, a new inspector to waste your time. google's a, it starts on this date, you know? so with ukraine, of course it was in the when, when the, when the russians are babies and them now is israel, it is october, the 7th. but your question, very good question. i might say pizza, i think is gonna form an awful lot of people because what we're seeing now is there are future. listen. a very small cub of general is who don't accept the terms of narrative. i was starting to look very closely at video and other forensic evidence about what didn't happen and what you see when you scrape away the surface. you see a lot of these attacks on the kibbutz will not only from the thomas fire and

a k 47. so these poor people, i'm not defending a tool and it was pulling, but also the idea of turned up and then put the minimum weight in themselves. and because what we're not reading from west in general is, is the idea of somebody's real has a very, very strong policy rather strongly policy in um, not less than cost just being taken. and we don't read this a lot, but that is the truth. and so that could books killings a lot of them. now, you know, there's an excellent journalist in, in, in israel, hotels and cook who's expose the cubits claims on the bbc coverage also, you know, and the same thing goes with the pop concept. if you actually look at the video footage which is available, even the idea if i'm assuming it, you have hundreds of calls which are just shot to pieces by the high caliber machine guns which can only come from tanks. you know, so that's when the idea of turned up and probably so a punitive consumer of the hundreds of people escaping coal, being cold, i'm driving and also to directions and they have to be stopped because idea of does

not allow its own people to be taken prisoners, and that's a flip side to the terms of the story which is not being reported a tool, you know, but i think um, i think we are living in an unprecedented age of fake news, which we've never seen before. no, nothing on this scale before. not in ukraine building syria, you know, this, these i'm, i'm sure videos the, the idea. so just collecting the internet with, you know, uh backfiring on such a big way. i mean, the whole, well, the tool. okay, i'm glad you. i'm glad you brought that up because like the even this morning i saw a number of these fake videos amateur videos supported by the israeli stage or a is really media outlets. and if you've been watching a number of a news outlets that actually already have a unfettered access and you look at the, the videos, these are risk videos and then you look at the fake ones and he, i mean, it just, you just kind of little laugh up, your slee behavior, these,

there's not even comparable, you know, george, one of the interesting things about the story of october is a sub and is it, it kind of puts in relief, in a very sharp way is that the adf is willing to kill the palestinians. on mice, it looks like they do it. it gets thrown people too if necessary. you know, george. yeah. so yeah. so there's no question i think um, a lot of very good work has been done by mex boom. and so yes, i saw the interview with chris edges was very good. yes. and that's, that's the lady being the case. and so, you know, we read it was sold a bill of goods off to october, the 7th because the, the story that was put out about the $1400.00 is re, the, is mass. a good, you know, that came accompanied by a horror. stories about mass raids, beheaded babies,

be the baby's being done to in auburn again, you know, baby is being ripped out of women's rooms. and so that was essentially put out by these really propaganda machine. and what eagerly repeated that marie asked, particularly in the united states, mongol upon this as of the, you know, these are the barbarians. but we are dealing with, but interestingly enough, because apparently these horrific and human barbarians for right now, they're negotiating some kind of a release of hostages with, with, with these where the government and mediated by the united states and cuts off. so how can they be such a public uh, barbarians at the sitting there working out some, some kind of the hoc hostage do you largely releasing women and children. but it was very important from the stop to maintain this list as propaganda store. that's

why you just keep repeating and repeating it even is more and more of this information is coming out and particularly about how leads the is really, is just simply with just the shooting all over the base. you know, they just do loosely run. i knew exactly what they were doing that they were killing their own people. and you did that. the same is a killing machine, but we kept putting out the story about, but it was bull on us for just a little, you know, mass slow to well it's, it's interesting and it's, it's actually quite terrify. martin is a, some of the commentary, thoughtful commentary about what happened on october 7th, and the israelis that were killed that was pointed out to me that they weren't netanyahu supporters, which kind of puts a chill down your, your spine. but i wonder how many of them suppose he's got at the moment. you know, i think we talked a lot about an opinion polls around the world, but i wonder how many people was in this room now,

which support continuation of what's going on and going so, you know, it's, it's really substance situation we've got i don't think i've ever seen most of a more incestuous relationship with western media and as well as we see today. and i think this is partly funding assessor a feeding into the the, the, the the, the madness of missing yahoo. and the way he thinks is that he knows that whatever happens, the house, bad things get, we don't really have media big media in our pocket, you know, we, we can control absolutely everything that they do. i mean, we need on the screen symbols when cnn reports or falls down in the mud. and she looks at the camera and she's out of breast, you know, and she's talking about what's going on. we need that. we need a title on the screen. we says this was basically made with the help for a more or less completely low stuck in barrel by the idea of we need an idea of low

good, you know, because that's the kind of reporting that i've been complaining about for years in brussels, where the price is very much to close the institutions and basically accessorize sophisticated stenographer to the narrative. this is taken to a whole new level now in tennis route with, you know, and you've got nearly all of these generally some one i'm starting to see now with the british. and this is the literally repeating idea of talking points. now, you know, you've got people on there who are just literally reading from the script. the date, it's because because it's so much is at stake in their minds here, okay. making any kind of admission to tear and all that gentleman, i'm going to jump in here. we're going to go to a hard break. and after that hard break, we'll continue our discussion on palestine and free speech state. but our to the, the, the

russian states never as tight as on the phone and the most sense community best most i'll send, send up the speed . what else calls question about this? even though we will fan in the european union, the kremlin machine, the state on the russians per day and split the ortiz full next. even our video agency, roughly all the band on youtube tv services for the question, did you say even closer to the

welcome back to the cross stuck were all things are considered. i'm peter labelle. this is the home edition remind you were discussing palestine and free speech. the a. go back to george in budapest, as i said in my introduction, now what another casualty of these complex is free speech. and we saw with ukraine . um, you know, if you're, if you're against, with us in the united states and nato is doing your approval apologist it and all of this significant so tire. so i make some, it's even worth repeating. but it's, it's on a very good, like a very different. it's a different magnitude when it comes to, it's always a different magnitude when it comes to israel. and we saw during, during, particularly the error of trump f, as in steve f, as in 15 to the present. the conservatives, the defending free speeds and,

and denigrating those that, you know, but we know people that need, you know, you're too sensitive. you're, you're the a snowflake. you need save spaces, you know, all of that mockery. wow. it all came to it in on october 7th, didn't it? sure. did you so we've had in a recent days they say extraordinary spectacle. ah, there's a demand for censorship of a document that was published more than 20 years ago. this is an open letter bio solid. been logged in to the american people in which he simply re hash. many of the criticisms that many of us have been putting forward against the united states for many, many years. he didn't say anything very new in that. and no one paid any attention to them. he was up on the guardian website since 2002. and then some younger people discover this and, and record it showed videos of themselves, reciting bits and pieces of it on, picked up. and right away the,

the screen went up. take soc, is, you know, is somehow eating in a bad thing. you know, so i'm a bit alive is propaganda. it must be taken down big immediately. and dick's dog in a country to the claims that is somehow the agency of the cc be picked up is ready to combine down all the videos. and the guardian was a, you know, the top down this uh, atlanta. there was nothing. it's only the video shows the the extent to which there is just the mom, the censorship. and then we've also had the e loan mosque who, who has been within the cross as, oh, the, you know, the of many liberals for allowing free speech because he says something on the free speech. absolute is, he's not actually, but the claim to be and that was enough to trigger, well, you know, great 0 how the urban, the united states, something needs to be done about the law most the u. s. and you know, as,

as being on the threatening him for a long time, the european commission said that i'm not going to advertise on, on twitter. i called it twitter. i find it comfortable. it is fine if it's everybody. next, i think we can say twitter x, that's my comp, the weather x, and now with the corporations, all the corporations. i think that's it. when i went up idea, idea of the disney, disney. so you know, that's it. we're not doing it. and what, what is it since it's an easy is allowing free speech? i mean it's all like you. well, i guess george, this is where we are martin and free speech is anti semitism. is that where we are now? i mean, the thing about free speech, and i say this very much from a journalist perspective, who's been sued at least 6 times by the european politicians with defamation, is to free speech is very much open to subject subjective debates. you know, what is free speech? what i find with free speech is that nearly always many every single time people

will see people deletes who complain about with needing free speech and companion for free speech and buying and the drum about free speech and never sincere the never actually really believes in it what they mean is they want to free speech, which works for them. they want a free speech which can be manipulated by wealthy people, and it's already quite well manipulated because what i don't see with the most can i've been following just to but you know, the whole thing about free speech elements because right, and most sense is that free speech is actually pretty ugly. this is what we don't understand. we don't contemplate because we don't actually accept this in the day and age of social media away. you can just brought people where you can, you know, wrangle your friends through the same thing. and you have this work liberal know since now comes from people, you know, i as of whites, middle class, middle aged on this, i'm not allowed to talk about racism in the u. k. cuz i'm not qualified because i'm not black, but that's how bad it is. that's a ridiculous it is. you know, the free speech is ugly. it really is ugly. you. oh yeah there's, there's an extra wrinkle to a george,

a jews against design is and see that's where it gets really sticky for these people. okay. because when you yeah, i think it was union station, you know, or you know, thousands and thousands of american jews that addressed identically, never again, not in my name. that's pretty powerful. it's amazingly powerful. and it is a greatest indictment against the design isn't particularly in the united states how, how do they get out of it? they can't. well, they con, you know, we have this a free speech supposedly on university campuses. and as you was saying, the, the, this was the issue that's been raised repeatedly by conservative for you know, your list is all the centers for debate level discussion. and that's where young people go to grow up and realize that there are many different views on the world as well as you know, stop, stop being a baby and dom on stage spaces. um and so, but the, the clearly the only the other day it rashid, to leave, you know,

it with no, no, no favorite. the my, you know, a tough talk was bad to be. i was over the state university and we've had a whole kinds of associations as universities. you know, what, supposedly all, you know, pro palestinian or aunties really or whatever. and they're getting bad because universities are on the pressure from donors, and they're under pressure of a fear of losing government contracts. and so this is the not, and this goes back to the, the issue with which the x that these corporate in the cobra powers of very, very susceptible to political active is often, you know, these liberals were themselves very lavishly funded. often also from the government's will these various strange organizations fighting digital hate fighting discrimination by thing as this time it is a, they'll all be the is a very good is huge corporations like ibm. and then they,

these corporations will the massive power to bring the boat to a hill. and so it's of, it's very interesting that, you know, even we, we have essentially kind of the liberal left, which supposedly was full free speech are actually very happy that the biggest, all the corporations in the world are, uh, you know, actually tracking down on speed and bringing in the oh, that's great ibm, apple dizzily versus you bring in speech to and have a great to sounds up about learning. jump in. i don't think the liberal left really to believe in the face page. i think this one, i don't either. i don't just, i really, those are really so, i mean, i've been sued by new connect, formulate melita so renders the amount of money in 2000. and so you want to call them in private on and you know what people that knew connecticut must go. any of these leads, don't talk about when they talk about free speech is it, don't talk about defamation roles because defamation, those are some advantages and so crafted. for the lease

a basically built for wealthy people to many play you can see the status single chops, you know, in a different nation lawsuit against somebody who's got you know, a few men including the bank and when i went to london and talked to the lawyer as a private i in a tony and chain smoking young man, the 1st thing he said to me is have you got 25000 pounds? i said 25000 pounds. is that how much this case is going to cost? he said, no, that's how much is going to cost just a thought. so good a little misc. it ill mosque milk and you do it up. and commission officials and all these people who are battling about free speech are usually from a liberal left. they don't believe of free speech because they never talk about reforming defamation laws. you know, the, the defamation laws are, so i'm fairly balanced towards the leads not to most independent journalists like me. so let, let something like that jumps out, you know, but whenever i think about when am i here, but we'll see people talking about free speech. i'm reminded of that very funny talk soon in private i of the high court judge and his eighty's leading as

a desk. i'm pointing a finger at someone that says right, we've heard your views about free speech now shut up. that really is sums up what the leads think of frequent. i mean that the same thing can be said george is a, you know, a free speech is all nice and fine, but this is real. and zine is a, is of a higher magnitude, a higher cost, and it is the design isn't trumps. re speech. this is essentially what they're saying. yeah. fuel. yeah. yes. that, that's right. and that's why we've, we've seen that deployment of the anti semitism weapons which is entirely ubiquitous because there's already mean anything. it freezing is an anti semitic, but nothing is anti so exactly. so today, um, you know, once the game of the guardian is putting out a story on his front page about the, the car or my, you know, the, we go to the game launching a, you know, his campaign with an empty semitic overtones. and we support the united states to

the united nations security council. remarkably, it really step it's stuck out. he's like only voted that way. exactly. that that's why it is so ridiculous, but big but this little look at this step the submitted to so it doesn't, weapon is very, very useful. but to go off to the old political opponents. it was used a great deal against the trunk of, uh, royalties. he is even low, you know, i mean, he did everything that is a law school and then some of you know, he has this being always something a little was a indeed 10 sign is max of is. but if i, that's what you do, your, you go up to a political bonus and now with the selection, which is now less than a year away, we're going to hear a lot more of this. a constant drum be of, uh, you know, we saw this uh, we talked about it the on the guy go, the economy is about the greatest threat to the world order is

a tunnel from getting re elected as president. we have to get to see a lot more of this of the track down of free speech and the enormous anti semitism threats emanating from, from evan burton because of the being the reach of social media in the end. in specific news outlets, i think it's wearing really saying, i mean they can bang away all they want about what is and isn't anti semitism, what words that are dangerous. but when you look at those images, those videos, you can't and see them in your mind. and it breaks you, it breaks me every time i look at it and it makes me much more result to take on these be go ahead, call me what you want. i don't care. go ahead, mark. yeah. yeah. upsets me a little as well. you know? but when i see from a distance, when i step back, i see this as a consequence of media eroding their, their own values of a loss, and can't, i mean i've got friends 59 for 30 years in the u. k. who have blocked me now on

social media because they are obviously not getting on their time lines on their social media feeds. anything relating to the atrocities of palestinians leading up to whatever the sense. well, let me, but this is what was happening and it says what's happened here? and hopefully, you know, we had russia gate, i lost a lot of friends of the, of the 2020 election. i lost a lot of friends, ukraine. i lost a lot of friends. now with the guys, i'm losing a lot more friends. okay. it's good because our, our get obsessed with these certain topics and they can no, no longer reason. gentleman, that's all the time we have one. i think my guess in budapest, any medication, we think our viewers for watching us here at our team. so you next time we member across cycles, the

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