countries either were rooted in found in colonialism or have colonial policies themselves. so they're more likely to identify with the colonial mindset, the mindset of the people being colonial. now, it doesn't matter how you see the foundation of israel as being rooted in jewish trauma. the reality is that it couldn't have been established without phone imperial control, and the call is ation of the land of a land that was already populated by indigenous people. so the colonial mindset dominates less than thinking. and so the idea of this combination of historical jewish drama, and a colonial project that to the western lines seems perfectly natural. so from the western point of view, the motion would like to do identify with the colonizer, the people being colonized, even after all the progress. and so many people are talking about industry on, on television. i mean, you've, you've compared the lies in a donation media about what's happening in gaza to the lives told the about vietnam

before. um, uh the great and they've done eligible. who's been on this show actually, why, why do they lie? again, it's a, it's, it is in the service of imperial policy so that the united states has the biggest empire in the history of the world is good. what a kind of military bases internationally it dominates the world culturally and less . so was china rising, but used to donated economically as well. and it's the united states, besides a long time ago, just as breton decided back in 1917. and the 1920 is that it's an interest to the dish empire to establish a jewish entity in palestine. i'm quoting winston churchill. in the same way the united states decided that it's in his interest to have this on single aircraft carrier goes to 0 in the middle east. and the practice always serves the interests

of the imperial project. so if you look at any number of american wars, vietnam based on the package legalize the gulf of tonkin incident. for example, that gave the excuse to the americans to bundle us. we have now never even happened . but all the press reporters, as reality, the weapons of mass destruction, which was the excuse to invade iraq, which a 5 year old child. the towel was a complete concoction. never the last, the press, and suzy has to be tempted. and so for the last 6070 years, this, the press as enthusiastically trumpeted all, all these really talking points and totally ignore the, the, the occupation and the depression and the repeated killings of palestinians. because it's so it's american imperial policy, which is what the press is subservient to, you know what?

and then 10 years, 15 years later don't do some soul searching. oh my god, we made a mistake. eligibility was right. you know pentagon papers was right. we have now was based on a pack of lies, or they'll do some soul searching. oh my god, there were are no weapons of mass destruction. but the next door that comes along, they'll always fall into line. and they're doing that right now as well. and you think this is a conscious slide, i mean, clearly you've been talking design is communities in recent weeks, a mid speed that you guys are genocide. then i'm going to say they know they're lying. and what hillary clinton, she knows, she's lying when she talks about bedded babies and the need to beaumont hospital. i don't know if this people at the top nor their line or whether they're so bought into the so boston to 80 ology that they'd be serving all their lives so that

they're sitting on truth. but actually line bodies, sometimes they are. but probably also often they believe what they're saying, because i think when you consider who rises to the top in the system, nobody, it was fixed, the tooth ever rises to the top. so there's a selection process that happens, but then you get the level of a clinton or a well joe biden, or re issue some smack or justin to do it for that matter. they've been through so many a processes that they have to prove their loyalty to the system that by the time they raise the rate of only the most loyal to get there. and so it's hard to tell whether they're allowing sometimes or whether just sincerely telling. uh, untruth is, you know, i, i'd have to talk to them personally. i can't tell i, i suspect they do both. i mean, you know, they do. but, and in this context, where the peoples of nato countries of the united states and west and your back

into the hills and the is there any operations on, on guys of the, the weaponry they've billions of dollars of age and so on. what is the rest of us and the people? how do they cope? i mean, of course, we're not, we're just forgetting for a 2nd. the trauma of all those survivors in, in gaza tonight and today. well, how do you suggest people cope with the trauma of those feeling hopeless in nato countries arming the alleged genocide as they watch it on social media. feeling deck is nothing they can do to stop it. of course, the reality is that these nice movements that arise in response to these horrors, they have their expressions, and a lot of people come together like guns, a 1000 people in britain a few days ago. but you know, it's, it's hard to keep up those kind of movements, you know, and the governments don't care. and anyway, but i say to people is number one through the work. and this is for me as much as

for anybody else, do the work, speak you to speak, and as long as you can connect with other people as much as you can. but don't be attached to the outcome. you know, don't let the outcome defeats, you know, that you contribute to the truth in the world by or pausing some atrocity. but don't take it personally because historically, the good guys always lows as hard as you know. and, and you have to just make accept the fact that you can do, but it's something you've spoken to through. you've helped to sign something like those temporarily. i hope you mean so well you lose temporarily. yeah. but you can do to, to something important to know role in the long term. that's exactly my point, that your contribution has not been in vain. and there's a fan as jewish rabbi said 2000 years ago, or

a little bit more that the task is not yours to finish. but neither or you'll see not to take part in it. and so, so you make your contribution, but don't do that as to the outcome. ok, then whatever's point. well, what about that is this association then between the gaming of children and those working on the weapons? you know, britain's biggest manufacturers be a systems, northrop grumman radio and boeing in your country in the united states. and of course, the canadian, the military and the associated companies, as part of the military industrial complex is massive in nature countries. how do you explain that this association between the work is work on the weapons doing the killing that will and act as musicians and so on. told by their agents and studios and publishers just don't speak out and don't do what you just said about the need to follow your conscience or something like that. in canada and canada, there's been a number of people in the arts world who lost their jobs for business because i'm

in here and vancouver, i live there are um, academics of spoken to and not being threatened by the union by their employing institutions. those are the people that participate in such things. i mean the ours, my on the manufacturers is on the association of that. they, they're cut off from now. humanity they, they, they couldn't be connected to their sense of commodity and do the job that they do . and i know lots of people are able to be very nice to their families and their dogs, but still do terrible things out there in the world. you know, and this is a well known firm. and you know, so, so that this, the association between what i do in the world and what i allow myself to feel is, is a very common human today. and a lot of society i use it to,

it's like that. and i was only like that in the west is like that international as long as there's another kind of association i was talking to a young muslim student here to, you know, surveys, columbia. she says that she's not being on her body is the only way she can. so i you know, so that, oh, actually she was worried about she's, and i mean obviously i'm not feeling my feelings. and i said listen, don't worry about it. that's the organisms attempt to survive or to endure what's on your bill. we'll come back to your feelings later. so, so that this association it can serve the function of doing terrible things in the world. but sometimes it's also a response to too much pain in the world. i mean, clearly information about the holocaust came through slowly. at 1st it was room or 1st about what the nazis were doing. i don't know thing. i mean, i see it's all because you're in canada there and we saw a true to applauding

a member of the nazi as asked. so there's some just associations going on that. but today we can use social media to see what's happening on this industrial scale in real time. well, and that's in germany. and in that to did everything they could actually hide what they were doing. so that i actually fully believe that all the most german saw the anti jewish laws and practices and try and, and violence of the nancy's. they didn't know about auschwitz, you know, they didn't know about treblinka. sometimes they didn't want to know, but they didn't know which doesn't mean that they didn't to support the anti semitism and the, you know, the nancy state but is specifically know about the atrocities. many people did. of course, many soldiers saw them, but it's been there must have talked about it at home, but it wasn't on the mass media. what is particularly horrendous right now,

and i think it's a politically darth time in the world. and i've talked a lot of people about this is that we're seeing it happen. we're seeing babies bond this effect as being the lives of their children or the rental doctor got so much. i'll have to stop you that more from the renown physician and award winning all of the after this break the the

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welcome back to going, undergoing i'm still here with united physician and award winning all of the adult . you've got all of my tags, so it's all right. i'll come out today for interrupting you and ended. but when we were talking about the real time viewing of people billions around the world of what's happening in gaza, i was saying that what makes this of it particularly dark time right now is that we're always seeing lot, you know, in live action, almost dismemberment or young children and parents digging their kids out of the rubble and the politicians are just saying this is okay. and, and the media for the most part is justifying it. and there's a huge disconnect with you, but people are watching and what they're being told. and i think that's hard for a lot of people right now. and this is almost unprecedented. it's, it's impossible to compare corrupt these atrocities. and let me just say for the

record that october, the 7th was, itself is an atrocity. and my view um, but this ongoing daily and cruelty unspeakable cruelty that we are witnessing the interface of media support. and the political class in most of the western world is just sharing it on is the darkest thing i've ever seen in my whole life. and that's saying a lot is really saying, is that coming coming from you obviously, i mean, you did mentioned october 7th. the israel is indeed an apartheid state as a is rarely a n g o is like the tell him say it does that justify events like october? the 7th, i mean, nelson mandela's dad's now have interviewed him and of course he believed in the use of violence against civilians in the fight against apartheid south africa. not

nothing justifies october the 7th. but it is not a question to justify anything. is the collection of duty, understand it, and how do we understand it and how do we move forward to something different? and there's always this question of, is there is, it is really respond stuck over the 7th port portion of the disproportionate? well, another question is, is that the, the 7th portion of the response to a, to years of oppression and apartheid and killings and massacres. so you can begin with october. the 7th. um, i don't believe that the feeling, but i firmly reject the idea that it is legitimate to kill one on people and children and old people and so on. at the same time, when you look at where that arise from, where that came from, which is,

as other people have noted as been called, the world's largest concentration camp in 2005 people are blaming home us. and i'm not here to support them now, so i don't, i come across only what they stand for, what they do, do their own p, the factor, even if i say that, push them back to the i know, but we might get onto why you feel you have to say that because typically, you know, yeah, no, yeah, because the colonization is tilted in such a way as to make it necessary to even say that, you know, but what i was gonna say was that in 2005, there was a study done in guys, internationally actually looking at children in war zones, the more as traumatized kids in the world with the kids living in gaza. this is before how much took over. so it's, you know, so in other words, what we have here is generations of trauma as children growing up in this open air prison looking across the fields where the families used to live in work. and when

they do peaceful protests, they're picked up by as early sniper. you know, so why don't we asking, was october the 7th, a pop portion of response to is ready for us. what are we asking is on the bottom, your browser, but person to talk over the 7. i mean, it's a community historical and as is really historian, you know, i'm poppy talks about the historic sizes action of, of the situation. so interested in media um, every attempt is made to the store size of the so like you to happen in a vacuum. it's not a justification to say that it does not happen in a vacuum and happened after decades of collective, brutal trauma visited on the palestinians. that's ongoing. well, that's the input. that's what i told you. gutierrez said, of course, and israel called on the resignation of the un secretary general and the non profit we could be able to see our interview with him on the rumble channel after october

. the 7th, the, you know about this region you fought for through. you've studied this area all your life giving way. what about uh, their own, the hundreds of thousands of the seats of britain and so many tens of thousands and so in the united states, the cities across the country and in north america. what about the powells favorites? stand by of human nature. how do you expect the use the events there to those that don't really understand the situation in palestine? to further the idea that this is somehow to do with human nature and that the div kindly strength and the belief that human nature has the potential to be good out of what we're watching on our social media at the moment is in my book and this was normal ritual kindly mentioned as a chapter of the sort of human nature. and the argument is that human nature is by a necessity, aggressive and individualistic and now style and violent. and so total nonsense,

you know, human nature is a range of potentials and it's a question of what conditions give rise to what kind of potentials my son, the annual who you haven't met. but my 2nd son, oh, i should say my 1st and my older son into 2 young is really is, and instagram a few days of them who are against or were against what this tied is doing. well, if this human nature, why and a supporting the war to, you know, i mean, she looked at the boat, it was a human being, hitler was a human being a jesus was a human being, a felon, was a good being a joe biden is a human being and the sort of the people that are opposed to a button. so there is no human nature. what there is that's, that list there is, are systems that promote one aspect of human potential another. but people are capable of being infinitely cruel. and incidentally kind and the question is,

what kind of conversations that we need to have and what kind of conditions you need to establish. they'll promote the be not non folding over a potential, as opposed to the violent and aggressive and cruel ones. aside from the political structures obviously here in the systems, then how do you think the fear perpetuates these mastic as of, of babies and children, fear of vitamins warships you mentioned by doing the being a human the fear of a politician? well look for your father lawson's fear of speaking out fee is of as you know at the anti defamation league, i understand cold jewish groups. so this is a 4 piece. i hate groups. yeah, yeah, yeah. and use like me, i always told there were full of sales data and then it was nonsense. you can only laugh if it wasn't so tragic. but um, so known,

chowsky said that there's nothing really easy then to make the american people afraid. and fear is a powerful form of political control, because then people are afraid, the rational parts of the mind goes offline and they go into the defensive mode and defensive mode. they're willing to go with any kind of aggression. now look to be fair. after october, the 7th. so there's every reason why many israelis we're going to fear mode. i mean, some thing terrible happened in the last people and, you know, no, they also doing so in a vacuum, but they don't understand the boston and situation at all. they're not taught it, they're taught to ignore it. but nevertheless, a lot of fear that somebody has nothing. yahoo! who has practice the same policies all his life. he doesn't need fear to do all this. he will pass the proposed indians. he has been tortured. he has their

villages taken over by settlers. he belongs browser repeatedly getting hundreds of people. but he'll take that fear and he'll use it to justify the worst kind of atrocities. and that's what the politicians do. so the vietnam war withdrawal based on his dominated theory that issue that the climate is degree and then they're going to take over the whole world to make the american people afraid. and that allows you to manipulate them into it is not but dissipating animal participating in, but also condoning the worst kind of atrocities. so fear is both a genuine and human response to the thread. but it's also a political to, to manipulate populations with and fear some might say, is a part of modern life. i mean, clearly there's a fear in the highly unstable economy about feeding your family. uh, the idea or in mass media or news is often the dry and create fear of your next

door neighbor because make the world see more criminal than it is the 5 lights a. so how do you, how do you go past this fear and somehow and daily at the moment the fear mongering is done as how mos are isis of regardless of whether the united states are involved with isis. and they're trying to make americans and canadians feel that somehow hamas are going to attack these, the place in vancouver or something. well, that's the conversation that's going on is the most wants to kill all the jews in the world and their own defeat. and they're, they're going to come out to, you know, realistically speaking is speaking, just a little nonsense. a mazda is a relatively small organization compared to say, these early state, living in a area of 5 miles, but 25 miles, highly controlled. they have always been on, so they could sting a 0, but they could never oppose any dangerous signal significant in jupiter,

that alone using the rest of the world. that's the 1st point. the 2nd point is, let's assume that how most is you heading organization. that's all it is. let's just assume that for a minute. for the sake of argument, who are these people are not much the same from what i showed him that i mentioned, or going to the study in 2005. where are you the most traumatized population in the world? and when most jews, they see where are the uniforms with the star of david and the you and everything that's being done to them is done in the name of the jewish state. and the major jewish organizations in the world by and large line up with what's happening to them and justify it and have for decades. do we have to do? we have to identify the hatred of them as

a member for doing business with historic and assemblies in europe is not the same . i'm not justifying it again and just saying there's nothing more natural then under those conditions, traumatized people will. they ate their oppressors, and if the oppressors are saying we're doing this as jews in the name of the jewish people, what do we expect? and so i wasn't the only one to respond to to october, the 7th, in a very, um, mixed way. and i thought it was horrible. and at the same time i thought, what are the expect? after all these back is what did you expect? and that wasn't the only one a lot of the people who visited the place, like i have been to the occupied territories. who, who know the situation 1st hand that to us fill it to a we're the ones when i say we, i mean is really,

i don't identify which is another state, but essentially state, but by the colonial powers. going back to the 19 twenty's that i've created a situation where there's gonna be a lot of hatred. and what's really interesting is if you look at the major sign is leaders of been going on. load of the job within ski. begwayne was the 1st by minister, the 0 loading. the drivetrain ski found the, the version is honest. when of a design is moving, which became her route, which be led by begun and fundamental lee by shamir. and later by shamir, both been going to jump within ski as well as motion of the day on, even in the 1950 said the recall what the i was, i don't cameras and, but all they're doing is they're defending the land from us. don't take a moment. okay, thank you. all right, thank you. and that's it for the show. and condolences from the whole team here,

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