still, usa has shown that it is biased as this was confirmed by what we observed since the war began on october 7th. weapons were delivered to israel by air and to american carrier strike groups and nuclear submarines are on stand by. in addition, 150 aircraft in thousands of american soldiers are involved. this clearly proves the united states as participating in what our people have been subjected to and gone to at least indirectly by providing cover and supplying the weapons used to destroy guns and kill its inhabitants. we therefore argue that the united states cannot lead any future negotiations unilaterally shopping of traditional partners. it involved in the negotiations as determined by the security council, which has established that the court it on the middle east, self serve as the found a tune to reaching a solution. many things feel confident here, and i've seen some national that you can find of the minutes of dates on websites or com. hello, so for me for today, but rachel ruble will be here with more news at the top of the,

the the, [000:00:00;00] the hello and welcome across the top where all things are considered on peter lavelle. ukraine is on a losing streak. i just can't get a break is counter offensive as an odor. catastrophe is reputation for gross mismanagement and corruption is on display. there's zalinski fatigue and now the gods. a war. the west gambled in last times to end this conflict.

the prose talking you create. i'm joined by my guess, larry johnson in tampa. he is a managing partner with burg associates or former c i a analyst, and us state department counterterrorism official in miami. we have nicholas davies . he is co author of war in ukraine, making sense of a sense was conflict. and here in moscow we crossed the dimitri bobbitt. she is a political analyst and editor at, you know, it's me internet media project. all right, gentlemen, cross talk roles and effect. that means you can jump anytime you want. i'll let me go to larry 1st here, i mean, things are going pretty bad for you crate and i don't even know where to begin. i hinted towards it in my introduction. where would you begin, larry? when penny print skirt, the new newly appointed envoy by joe biden, to handle the ukrainian affairs, shows up and basically entails the lensky. uh so can you get along without any money from us? that's

a clear sign that the things are not going well. they're already starting to appear videos on telegram with the pension errors in ukraine, yelling and being quite upset because they're not getting paid. so there on, there is no single point of light for ukraine. and this is sort of ironic or it's, it's symbolic is uh, you know, that part of the world descends into winter and dark this. uh, ukraine is headed into great darkness. yeah. well nicholas, um, you know, i don't like to use the phrase i told you. so, but those of us that bit are serious about following this conflict. predicted this almost to the ti. i mean, this is the way it was going to work out. but the problem is, so many people have died in the process and ukraine as a functioning civil society is teetering right now. and you hear all of these kind

of voices in the background. no one wants to be the 1st to say, well, something has to be done about it. you know, you can go through, you know, even the mainstream media in their whispers and, and rumors and innuendos about, you know, what needs to be done because everyone knows it's an older catastrophe and failure . nicholas. yes, and the catastrophe is, is, is really the direct result of the british, an american decision in march and april of 22, to killed the peace talks killed the neutrality agreement. and while now we are hearing a lot of voices in the us and in the west, and who are ready to make territorial concessions. when not hearing from uh, from leaders in the west is the recognition that

a neutrality agreement is what is needed for ukraine. as zalinski said on march the 27th of last year to as quickly as possible, restore peace in our native land. and that's, of course, what bars johnson went to kiff and talked him out of um, so the needs to be the recognition from west and leaders that, that new travel at the agreement, it or some form of neutrality for ukraine is key to lasting, stable resolution of this conflict, and i don't see that happening yet. yeah. and nicholas to add onto it. let's remind our viewers. zelinski at the exact moment that you mentioned there. he was asking to give up what he did not even have it didn't have cried me in it and he

didn't have the down bass. now his last so much more. so at that point he was, he was asked to give up something that he didn't have. that was not as hard as it seemed the most. let me read you some headlines here. top. so wednesday, aid questions, ukraine survival, another one. ukraine must brace for the loss of us support. rene, this is coming out of to, i mean, these are not, we're a no republican saying they're going to cut off the funding. i mean, these are the, this is the client states saying, you know, you let us down this path. now, what demo uh, what was, yes. uh, basically we've had the is, uh, so ro, scandalous articles, uh there was, uh, the handle where you agree and all at forces. and what was the, what is that, what was the, was said that the ukrainian forces and the russians was wondering, the dead more that there was no victory inside that people are just dying for

nothing. then uh, there was a report uh from uh, simon schuster you know, which described the atmosphere around. is it ask yes, very much that must be around. that'll kick in. he's enjoying his last mom's in the imperial, transitory inches bunker. ah, so basically you will, the western media are starting to raise the wall. so the assumption is wrong, that the expected victory, you know from that so hold counter offensive. that's a mystery will never come. and uh, and then we've had these depressed and not to go from prison by them. a few days ago bobby assumed the washington post. but right to there, he was not a, she did not write a single word about the compromise. she kept comparing the roster to come us, which is absurd and which is simply the counter productive. and she kept saying that the investing money and i'm sorry people,

you know the war in your brain. and the in the water and gaza was, i told a lot investment. yeah, i mean this is just terrible in south coast and it's only, it's only strengthens the result will reference between all this branch. so you know, the basement of rocks. and this leads from that even be games the pregnancy base, you know, basically well proceed with the quote that we're rolling games. you know, the why the end of the organization. so saying they want to finance the lease, woke up at school. so they're just uh, can basis directions to them. there is no other way we must we because we even put rules where we're down. yeah. i mean, we will not be treated as human beings anymore. yeah. well, you know, larry, i don't think joe biden is, knows the difference between a mouse and homeless, but that's not the topic of the program. larry, you know what? one of the most important misunderstandings and false narratives that we have had all about. there's conflict,

it's about territory. it's not about territory at all. we go back to the very beginning, the not to vacation, that means the regime in care of and it's in its satellite figures must go. this is all for nationalism must go. i mean, in the last new cycle we had it in uh, you cleaning official saying, you know, russian, you know, russian is, and russians are not even in minority and they don't exist in ukraine. okay. that's very much like what we hear about the what, what the israelis have to say about palestinians. again, another topic, the 2nd one was demilitarization and that's what's happening. what is really remarkable, gentlemen, over the last couple of days or so we had officials and games that there was never a counter offense of what he talking about then you, it's still become, i mean this is, this is a kind of delusion that they're living in larry, i have never seen this kind of disconnect from reality. among people who are actually, you know,

they're educated and experience people. richard hawes and that good lord, he's, you know, he's been around for 40 years going back to the 1980s. he was sort of a protege of henry kissinger and he rides with charles captcha. i have a piece of foreign affairs that is so out of touch with i. on the one hand, they admit what's going on, taking place on the ground in ukraine, that ukraine is losing, that ukraine hasn't made progress. and yet they didn't turn around and pretend that ukraine still has a chance. it doesn't, the, it's gone, it's over. it's just like that scene from the movie dumb and dumber were jim carrie is asking this woman who's already rejected it and said no other, you know, basically no way i'm going out with you and he goes. so there's still a chance. yeah. there's no chance. oh yeah, and yeah, i really liked the dumb dumber because i think that really, yeah, it's i,

i always kind of look for those analogies, but it's per because i'm sorry, keep going larry. what? no, i just gonna say, in fact, the guy, some dumb and dumber are smarter than these policy makers that we see in the west. they continue, as you said, they focus on this notion that all russia last territory. completely ignoring the fact that when russia withdrew its tank and columns from north of kia on april 1st started on april 1st and began that withdrawal that was always presented in the west as the russian to feed. and, but we now know that that was a goodwill. good faith gesture by putting in order to say ok, we're good. we're serious about this piece negotiation. and that the united states and nato were the and so full, sab, a tours in that process, and destroying that piece process. nicholas, the problem is,

the overarching problem is that the west nato world is never recognized that russia has any legitimate security interest. yeah, i mean the, the, and this is why they are now starting to aim for a frozen conflict with by, you know. busy going new lines on the maps are ukraine, but not actually resolving the underlying conflict. and um, you know, they, they want to have another roll, the dice, uh, at a later, later date. and so you know, that way they're willing to negotiate some sort of cease fire and, and some sort of territorial settlement that the, like all these other frozen conflicts around the world. and of course, once again, back to palestine is the, the most terrific one we're seeing right now. um, but that's uh, so sit so yeah,

when you look at the highest and comp chan which is who would say what they, the 2 of them have been saying all the long. um, essentially this is yeah that they, they are accepting. they are accepting the neo cons. yeah. oh, over us foreign policy. they know that victoria newland and antennae blinking well the nicholas i moved up here because we have to go to our brain. would they the way they phrase it? they always probably will get to find that will give the russians an offer, and that's how they do it. it's hilarious. okay, gentlemen, i have to jump in here. we're going to go to a short break. and after that short break, we'll continue our discussion on ukraine. stay with our to

the russian states. never as tight as i'm one of the most that communities i saw some some of the polls question about this, even though we will ben in the european union, the kremlin mission, the state on the russians to day and split our t supposed net, keeping our video agency, roughly all the band on youtube, the question,

did you say they requested the the welcome act across sack, were all things are considered on peter level dramatically. we're discussing the situation in ukraine, the okay, let's go back to the demon here in moscow as the, these ridiculous narratives. the person there, there was no counter offensive a, it's a stalemate. no, it's not a stalemate. i a, this good. when we see people say it, it just makes the round. so it really is very irritating here. but, but,

but demons. what are the, what are the problems is here is that, uh, why would rush should be in a rush because everybody says the putting this thinking this, the crime, one thing says they have no idea what they're thinking. i always find it appealing to who on the bbc at what point is thinking this or not? i have no idea how they know these things. okay. what the russians aren't in a rush for good reasons, demon, it's a yes and uh, basically uh, the western media contradicts itself on the long term, the rise that the roster jones of the war of attrition. that basically your brain is running all the resources unless we help there is that sense of urgency. we need to help as soon as possible. otherwise the great and frog will collapse and all the other crimes they say, oh, you did is not deliberate. and what he promised to deliver, uh, probably they say that we just went okay some, some of the media say that which and we'll have to hardy out because he has an

excess before you just a few months ago. and the old, easy, as they said, their connections and roger made no sense. so there's a lot of contradiction in what we hear from the west. uh, but the reality is indeed that the roster even the law is stronger and the there is absolutely no way you can deny this and also gray me, it's all community and all that. and people don't boss all 3000000. all that they will never, never agree to leave it be under the premium you got, uh, the premium troops. if the, our, our, uh, try to answer the standard you will meet real get real resistance, not the kind of, the real resistance. that's what was pro, store us by the west, the media and they've never realized, i mean, that you bring in on it turned out much stronger than the worst expected. but there was no real, a garage that was good to you. i'm meant which, which,

which was processed by the western media. and indeed, the in terms of what his thoughts as solidly turned out that the world is not so much are determined by the west to be calling him is you come all the for them as you can sell oil, not only do they your be union and not on the it to jump and who can sell it to you? yeah, you can sell it to china. you know, uh, basically country is over uh, brakes. uh, getting more and more of importance. van d. b is already exceeding the g d p over there. just uh, so uh there was a lot of things that the west did not include any concrete populations when the pro bowl brush it into the small. and we can see right now that that will do indeed have an a and b and b and certainly which is not thinking of what fiona hill

and mr cop to expect him to do. you know the meds you've made them so it's about the discussion glove which inside the dispute to talk to them honestly, you know, i think she was very seen and don't want us to talk to them for all us. and while, when they knew, i don't support it z, but that's not what does a good image. then you notice that a, at those con pads that we, you know, when people in these journalists and so called analysts stand up, they're more interested in hearing their own voice in their own question. they never listen to the answer. okay. they're just there's, that's way they're wired, larry, i, what i'm looking at that more carefully than all of this rubbish that is constantly being written that makes less and less sense as beam is pointed out. as all 3 of you pointed out, is it a political collapse within? yeah, i mean it's, it's so interesting when you see the economist been time magazine or, you know, other european above. okay. they're kind of like picking winners. have you noticed that the lose me around? are we getting the landscape?

i mean, this is kind of inside baseball stuff could be a lot of smoke, but it's kind of interesting larry, well, there's a little bit of psychological projection going on with the west in terms of protecting the collapse of putting because what we're seeing in the united states politically is a great division and a lack of consensus that the, the one candidates, it seems to have the most support. donald trump is the ones. this is most of the bill of 5 by the establishment. yep. and that the thing i, you know, i hope that the russian listeners and the russian people understand one thing about what's going on in the united states. swipe down. there is no body in any position of authority or influence that can stand up and talk about. we need to re establish normal relations with russia. we need to recognize a lot of them are approved and is a genuine leader and somebody we're going to have to deal with any,

any politicians that attempts that is immediately tard as some create you know, pop in to put some uh, sell out to the communists. i mean, there's still that there's still so many americans who can said, can you believe that russia today is the soviet union of yesterday. yeah, yeah, absolutely, no, well, you know, you know, larry, if, if you say something like that eventually eventually you'll be called an anti semite and a racist. okay. those are they close the default positions, okay. it's a no matter what you say and the establishment disagrees with you. you're either an anti semite or a racist. okay. and of course, by donald trump so much he must be both even though is a daughter converted to days. but you know, those are details here, you know, nicholas, one of the things that, you know, really bother me like from a responsible state craft and all of that. and you know, they were very well funded places, you know, when you to still it all down, they all and they said it in the 1st week when after the complex started, but they,

they won't use the term exactly. but what they want is minutes. 3, we need minutes. 3, that's what they think they think they distill it. always down to that. well, that is, well, if minutes one and 2 didn't work, why would minutes? 3 work, nicholas? yeah, it's we we, we surely have done past that. i mean, the basis of minutes to which did bring a relative piece uh, and an end to the worst fighting of 20142015 with the at least 14000 people killed. but yes, ukraine completely failed to fulfill the political aspects of that agreement. and in other words, to grant or economy to lou hands and don yet and so now yes, is your hands going down yet uh are gone. they are an independent to a part of russian. so, um, so yes, i don't think i don't think that is,

are advisable. but again, going back to march 2020 to ukraine and russia were able to sit around to table in turkey and, and reach an agreement that they both could live with. and this is obviously what needs to happen again, but the needs to be a realism on all sides in as long as the west is, is effectively um, uh, forming the strategy for ukraine. and ukraine is acting as a puppet of nato and the united states. and then they, he, they are still not going to be allowed to negotiate a viable, stable agreement. and so the shift the needs to happen is the shift in

the united states. and you know, kind of as larry is suggesting that the bite and administrative sion under the grid of, of the, of the neil collins who had let the united states into a dead end all over the world. since the 19 ninety's, the needs to be a returned to 2 serious diplomatic relations with every kind of weapons price including china and russia so that we can actually solve the real problems that we're all facing in this world. yeah, but yeah, i agree of a 100 percent nicholas, but that would compromise a gemini, that would compromise the supremacy of nato. they're not going to lead either one go diem. a supremacy nato's a nato's rich around the world now adds out of area ambitions. this is what happens, what has to happen is a catastrophe when and i don't say about lively because a catastrophe means

a lot of people die, diem a or well, that's true. and i completely agree with nico us. i, i told what he does describe what was the wrong ready to go. i knew would be the i d o d o the more than the west needs to change. because this is a ready to go. i told you which rejects compromise which rejects any kind of diplomacy actually. well, i, recently, i drove a magazine called the drum and forwarded me to stop the variable. is that on a diploma to so that the, it was it or what a diploma it should be because what she is doing and what by that is do you know that quoted uh, respectively does a lot of like doctors data solve as the doing before they need both sheets, sometimes you meet the often the annual change. they reach the you know,

the test, the old rules or diplomacy, even the common decency. you know that you don't insult your opponent, that you don't teach your opponent. you don't collect to see more of her. this is the reason why the problem is always with ties and, and the dolls use, you know, they, they almost never wear uniforms. because the amy is to make a distinction between the process of as a function. we're not talking during the diplomatic thoughts. people are not talking about like g o g. they're not teaching each other. the result of the program. yeah, because the west is not. i mean, let me, let me finish up with larry here. it's kind of like the, the, the state department coming out, we're not going to judge in israel fits it. we're not going to be the judge jury and, and the executioner of israel's breaking international law is some us, oh, of course they are. okay. that's exactly what deem is debbie. yeah, that's it. exactly. what do you mean? because a,

this inability to think differently. last 30 seconds. go ahead larry. the, the art of diplomacy is telling a mother that her child is ugly and she thank sure at the end. so being able to have that kind of scale, but what the united states has turned into our, our approach is either sanctions or war. we can't do both. well, that's something they have to wake up to. and the guy said, i didn't want to say it lightly, but this the way, the, the, the way the train is leaving, going on course the catastrophe is in pending. unfortunately for all of these gentlemen, that's all the time we have. i want to thank my guest in tampa, miami, and here in moscow. and of course i want to thank our viewers for watching us here at our dc. and next time, remember prospect the,

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