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the the hello and welcome across the top where all things are considered on peter lavelle. ukraine is on a losing streak. i just can't get a break. is counter offensive as an odor. catastrophe is reputation for gross mismanagement, and corruption is on display. there's zelinski fatigue and now the gods. a war. the west gambled in last times to end this conflict. the cross. how can you create? i'm joined by my guess, larry johnson in tampa. he is a managing partner with burg associates or former c i a analyst, and us state department counterterrorism official in miami. we have nicholas davies

. he is co author of war in ukraine, making sense of a sense was conflict. and here in moscow we crossed the dimitri bobbitt. she is a political analyst and editor at, you know, as me, internet media project or a gentleman, cross talk roles. and if that means you can jump anytime you want. i'll let me go to larry 1st. here, i mean, things are going pretty bad for ukraine. i don't even know where to begin. i hinted towards it in my introduction. where would you begin? larry? when penny print skirt, the new newly appointed envoy by joe biden, to handle the ukrainian affairs, shows up and basically entails the lensky. uh so can you get along without any money from us? that's a clear sign that the things are not going well. they're already starting to appear videos on telegram with pension errors in ukraine. the yelling and being quite upset because they're not getting paid. so they're on,

there's no single point of light and for ukraine, and this is sort of ironic or it's, it's symbolic is uh, you know, that part of the world descends into winter and dark this. uh, ukraine is headed into great darkness. yeah. well, nicholas, um, you know, i don't like to use the phrase i told you so, but those of us that bit are serious about following this conflict. predicted this almost to the ti. i mean, this is the way it was going to work out. but the problem is, so many people have died in the process and ukraine as a functioning civil society is teetering right now. um and you hear all of these kinds of voices in the background. no one wants to be the 1st to say, well, something has to be done about it. you know, you can go through, you know, even the mainstream media and their whispers and, and rumors and innuendos about, you know, what needs to be done because everyone knows it's an older catastrophe and failure

. nicholas. yes, and the catastrophe is, is, is really the direct result of the british and american decision in march and april. yep, up to $22.00, to kill the peace talks, kill the neutrality agreement. and while now we are hearing a lot of voices in the us and in the west, and who are ready to make territorial concessions. when not hearing from uh, from leaders in the west is the recognition that a new traveler, the agreement, is what is needed for ukraine. as zalinski said on march the 27th of last year, to as quickly as possible, restore peace in our native land. and that's of course,

what bar as johnson went to kiff and talked him out of um, so the needs to be the recognition from western leaders that, that new try to let the agreement it or some form of neutrality for ukraine is key to a lasting stable resolution of this conflict, and i don't see that happening yet. yeah. and nicholas to add onto it. let's remind our viewers. zelinski at the exact moment that you mentioned there. he was asking to give up what he did not even have. he didn't have crime in it and he didn't have the down bass now his loss so much more. so at that point he was, he was asked to give up something that he didn't have. that was not as hard as it seemed the most. let me read you some headlines here. top zalinski aid questions, ukraine survival,

another one. ukraine must brace for the loss of us support. read this is coming out of to, i mean, these are not river, you know, republicans saying they're gonna cut off the funding. i mean, these are the, this is the client states saying, you know, you let us down this path. now what the ma, as well, yes, uh, basically we've had these uh, several scandalous articles. uh there was, uh, the handle. uh you agree and all the forces was what was the, what it is that what was the was said that the ukrainian force us and the russians was wondering the dead more that there was no b, 3 inside that people are just dying for nothing. then uh, there was a report from uh, simon schuster, you know, which described the atmosphere around your desk. yes, very much that must be around, that will kick in here to jordan's, his last mom's in the imperial, transitory inches bunker. ah,

so basically you, well the western media are starting to raise a wall so the assumption is wrong that they expect its victory. you know, uh from that so hold counter offensive. thats mystery will never come. and uh and then uh, we've had these depressed and not to go from prison by the a few days ago by wasting the washington post, but wrecked to there. he was not a, she did not write a single word about the compromise she kept comparing. drops it to come us, which is absurd. and which is simply counter productive. and she kept saying that the investing money, and i'm sorry people, you know, the war in your brain and the, in the warning guys i was, i told the investment. yeah, i mean, this is just terrible in south coast, and it's only, it's only strengthens the result will reference between all of these branch. so,

you know, the basement of russian is, leads from that even the games, the pretty base, you know, basically where for example, the whole dollar rolling games, you know, the, why the other organizations, i've seen that one too bias this leads to glo gunk ass cool. so they're just uh, can basis the rochester lives, there is no other way we must we because we lose where we're down. yeah, i mean, we will not be treated as human beings anymore. yeah. well, you know, larry, i don't think joe biden knows the difference between a mouse and homeless, but that's not the topic of the program. larry, you know what? one of the most important misunderstandings and false narratives that we have had all about this complex. it's about territory, it's not about territory at all. we go back to the very beginning, the knots vacation, that means the regime in care of and it's in its satellite figures must go. this ultra nationalism must go. i mean, in the last new cycle we had an, an uh,

ukranian official saying, you know, russian, you know, russian isn't russians are not even in minority and they don't exist in ukraine. okay. that's very much like what we hear about the what, what the israelis have to say about palestinians. again, another topic, the 2nd one was demilitarization and that's what's happening. what is really remarkable, gentlemen, over the last couple of days or so we had officials in caves, if there was never a counter offensive, what are you talking about? they do, it's still become, i mean this is, this is a kind of delusion that they're living in larry. and i have never seen this kind of disconnect from reality. among people who are actually, you know, they're educated and experienced people. richard hoss. net good lord, he's, you know, he's been around for 40 years going back to the 1980s. he was sort of a protege of henry kissinger and he writes with charles captcha about a piece of foreign affairs that is so out of touch with i. on the one hand,

they admit what's going on or taking place on the ground in ukraine that ukraine is losing, that ukraine hasn't made progress. and yet they didn't turn around and pretend that ukraine still has a chance. it doesn't. the it's gone is over. it's a, it's like that seen from the movie dumb and dumber where jim kerry is asking this woman who's already rejected and said no other. yeah basically no way i'm going out with you and he goes. so there's still a chance. yeah. there's no chance. oh yeah, and yeah, i really like the dumb dumb are because i think that really, yeah it's i, i always kind of look for those analogies, but it's per because i'm sorry, keep going larry. what? no, i just gonna say in fact, the guy, some dumb and dumber are smarter than these policy makers that we see in the west. they continue, as you said,

they focus on this notion that all right. so last territory. completely ignoring the fact that when russia withdrew its tank and columns from north of kia on april 1st started on april. first, we'll begin that withdrawal that was always presented in the west as russian to feed them. but we now know that that was a goodwill. good faith gesture by putting in order to say ok, we're going to, we're serious about this piece negotiation and that the united states and nato were the and so full, sab, a tours in that process, and destroying that piece process. nicholas, the problem is that the overarching problem is, is that the west nato world is never recognized that russia has any legitimate security interest. yeah, i mean, the, the, and this is why they are now starting to aim for

a frozen conflict with, by, you know. busy going new lines on the maps are ukraine, but not actually resolving the underlying conflict. yeah. um, you know, they, they want to have another roll the dice, uh, at a later, later date. uh and so you know that will it, that willing to negotiate some sort of cease fire and, and some sort of territorial settlement that the, like all these other frozen conflicts around the world. and of course, once again, back to palestine, is that the most terrific one we're seeing right now? um, but that's uh, so sit so yeah, when you look at the highest in cub chan, which is who would say what they, the 2 of them have been saying all along. um, essentially this is yeah that they, they are accepting. they are accepting the neo cons. yeah. can oh of

a u. s. foreign policy. they know that victoria newland and uh and any blinking, well that, that nicholas i moved up here because we have to go to our break. but they, the way they phrase it, they always probably will get to find that will give the russians an offer. and that's how they do it. it's hilarious. okay, gentlemen, i have to jump in here. we're going to go to a short break. and after that short break, we'll continue our discussion on you can stay with our team, the . i look forward to talking to you all that technology should work for people. a robot must obey the orders given it by human beings, except we're so shorter is that conflict with the 1st law show alignment of the

patient. we should be very careful about our personal intelligence at the point, obviously is to, to makes a truck rather than to the area. i mean with the artificial intelligence we have so many with the in the a robot must protect this phone. existence was alexis, the bedroom. those are the only is believe that license a full 2nd, that all the is ups and downs india, before the british was the richest nation with the highest gdp in the work. and why did the 100 years of british truly bring it to a dis below of some 50, attracting the late certificates bank and give us no deeper party.

they have no right to pay my property. my i don't my gods. we went through all of our big spaces, i was see, could spaces off san angelo wild and keep pointed out these pieces. in fact, the word lute also is i can the word which is now closer to the english big city. so quite selling lead. even the in the words has been looted into the english lexical of the, the welcome act across huck were all things are considered non beautiful about

dramatically. we're discussing the situation in ukraine, the okay, let's go back to the demon here in moscow as the, these ridiculous narratives. the person there, there was no counter offensive a. it's a stalemate. no, it's not a stalemate. i is good. when we cease people say it, it just makes the round. so it really is very irritating here. but, but, but demons, what are the, what are the problems is here is that why would rush should be in a rush, because everybody says the potent is thinking this, the crime, one thing says they have no idea what they're thinking. i always find it. what appeal to who on the bbc, what thing is thinking this or not? i have no idea how they know these things, okay. what the russians are in a rush for good reasons deem a us yes and uh, basically uh, the western media contradicts itself on the wall kind of the right that the roster

jones of the war of attrition. that basically your brain is running all the resources unless we help there is that sense of agency, we need to help as soon as possible. otherwise they're great and frog will collapse and all the other crimes they say, oh, you do, it is not deliberate. and what you promised to deliver solidly, they say the origin will okay. some, some of the media say that which will have to hardy out because he does it next as before, you just a few months ago and the all these years, they said their connections and roger made no sense. so there's a lot of contradiction in what we hear from the west. uh, but the reality is indeed that the roster even the law is stronger and the there is absolutely no way you can deny this. and also gray me is on community and all that. and people don't boss,

all 3 media and all that. they will never, never agree to leave it be under the premium. got. uh they, you bring in troops. if the, our, our, uh, try to answer the start, if you will need real good, real resistance, not the kind, all the really resistance, that's what was pro, store us by the west, the media. and they've never realized, i mean, that you bring in on it turned out much stronger than the worst expected. but there was no real, a garage that was good to you. i'm meant which, which, which was promised by the west, the media. and indeed, the in terms of what his thoughts as solidly turned out that the world is not so much determined by the west to the point him as you can validate for them is you can sell oil. not only do they your be union, the to japan who can sell it to india. you can start with the china. you know, uh basically country is over uh, brakes uh,

gauge and more and more of importance van d, b is already exceeding the g. dd gd, be over there. just uh, so uh, there was a lot of things that the west did not include any concrete populations when they provoked russia into the small. and we can see right now that the would you indeed have for an a and b. and the certainly which is not thinking of what fiona hill and mr cop to expect him to do, you know the meds you've made them so it's about the discussion. glove fulton tried to steer to talk to them honestly. you know, i think he was very seen and don't want us to talk to them for all us. and while when they knew, i don't support z, but that's what they just didn't, didn't you notice? but at those con pads that we, you know, when people in these journalists and so called analysts stand up, they're more interested in hearing their own voice in their own question. they never listen to the answer. okay. they're just there. that's way they're wired.

larry, i, what i'm looking at a bit more carefully than all of this rubbish that is constantly being written that makes less and less sense as beam is pointed out. as all 3 of you pointed out, is it a political collapse within care of? i mean it's, it's so interesting when you see the economist been time magazine or you know, other european above. ok. they're kind of like picking winners. have you noticed that the lose name rone, are we getting the landscape? i mean, this is kind of inside baseball stuff. could be a lot of smoke, but it's kind of interesting, larry, as well. there's a little bit of psychological projection going on with the west in terms of protecting the collapse of putting because what we're seeing in the united states politically is a great division. and a lack of consensus that the, the one candidate that seems to have the most support, donald trump, is the ones. this is most of the bill of 5 by the establishment yet. and that the

thing i, you know, i hope that the russian listeners and the russian people understand one thing about what's going on in the united states right now. there is no body in any position of authority or influence that can stand up and talk about. we need to re establish normal relations with russia. we need to recognize a lot of them are approved and is a genuine leader and somebody we're going to have to deal with any, any politicians that attempts that is immediately tard as some create you know, pop in to put some uh, sell out to the communists. i mean, there's still, there's still so many americans who can said, can you believe that russia today is the soviet union of yesterday. yep, there absolutely, no. well, you know, you know, larry, if, if you say something like that eventually eventually you'll be called an anti semite and a racist. okay. those are they close the default positions,

okay. and no matter what you say, and the establishment disagrees with you, you're either an anti semite or a racist. okay? and of course why donald trump so much he must be both even though is a daughter converted to day is but you know, those are details here. you know, nicholas, one of the things that, you know, really bother me like from a responsible state craft and all of that. and you know, they were very well funded places, you know, when you to still it all down, they all and they said it in the 1st week when after the complex started, but they, they won't use the term exactly. but what they want is minutes. 3, we need minutes. 3, that's what they think. they think they distill it. always down to that. well, that is, well, if minutes one and $2.00 didn't work, why would minutes? 3 word that nicholas. yeah, it's we we, we surely have done past that. i mean, the basis of minutes to which did bring a relative piece uh, and an end to the worst fighting of 20142015 with that at least

14000 people killed. but yes, ukraine completely failed to fulfill the political aspects of that agreement. and in other words, to grant or economy to little hands and don't yet. and so now you have see what has been done yet. aah! are gone. they are an independent to a part of russian. so, um, so yes, i don't think i don't think that is, are advisable. but again, going back to march 2020 to ukraine and russia were able to sit around the table in turkey and, and reach an agreement that they both could live with. and this is obviously what needs to happen again, but the needs to be a realism on all sides. and as long as the west is,

is effectively a, in forming the strategy for ukraine. and ukraine is acting as a puppet of nato and the united states. and then they heat, they are still not going to be allowed to negotiate a viable, stable agreement. and so the shift that needs to happen is the shift in the united states, i think, you know, kind of as larry is suggesting that the bite in administrative action under the grid of, of the, of the neil collins who had let the united states into a dead end all over the love since the 19 ninety's, the needs to be a returned to 2 serious diplomatic relations with every kind of a weapons price including china and russia so that we can actually solve the real

problems that we're all facing in this world. yeah, but yeah, i agree of a 100 percent nicholas, but that would compromise the gemini that wouldn't compromise the supremacy of nato . they're not going to lead either one. go diem, a supremacy nato's, a nato's. rid around the world now and it's out of area ambitions. this is what happens, what has to happen is a catastrophe when and i don't say that lively because a catastrophe means a lot of people die, diem a well, that's true. and i completely agree with nicholas i. i told what he does describe, but i spoke with the wrong, ready to go. i knew would be the i d o d o the more than the west needs to change. because this is a ready to go. i told you which rejects compromise which rejects any kind of diplomacy actually. well, i recently a drum,

a magazine called the drum and forwarded me to stop the variable, the diploma attempt. so that, that was it, or what a diploma be because what she is doing, and what by that is, do you know that quoted, respectively does a lot of the countess dictate, just solve as the doing before they negotiates. sometimes you meet, is it often any goal change? they breach the you know, the test of the diplomacy, even the common decency. you know that you don't insult your opponent, that you don't teach your opponent. you don't collect to humor her. this is the reason why the problem is always with dies and, and the dolls use, you know, they almost never wear uniforms because the email is to make a distinction between the process as

a function. we're not talking during the people in my thoughts, people not talking about i d o n g. they're not teaching each other. the result of the program. yeah. because if it was, it's not, i mean, let me, let me finish off with larry here. it's kind of like the, the, the state department coming out. we're not going to judge in israel fits it. we're not going to be the judge jury and executioner of israel's breaking international law is some us, oh, of course they are. okay. that's exactly what diaz getting at. that's it. exactly. what do you mean? because a, this inability to think differently. last 30 seconds. go ahead larry. the art of diplomacy see is telling a mother that her child is ugly and she thank show at the end. so being able to have that kind of scale, but what the united states has turned into our, our approach is either sanctions or war. we can't do both. well, that's something they have to wake up to. and then it guy said i didn't want to say it lightly, but this the way, the, the, the way the train is leaving going on course. the catastrophe is an impending,

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