the rest of the sentence, are we going to let that stay? the ease will relieve this potential. the 4th group of hostages to be really used by have mass arriving back on home, soil and good thoughts as on the agreement has been reached with ease role and had last week. stand the car and see slide for another 2 days. he has been due to expire on monday and fashion center in the west bank has crowds of people waiting for the release of the next people's policy them present as the fed 5 to tires in the street. and he's ready or forward the valve. there are tax on guys or will continue after the choose expires. that's while the plan to allocate funds for the new jury supplements in the west bank. and the headlines this our knowledge international next is across to

the hello and welcome to cross stock. were all things are considered non peter labelle, what comes after the ceasefire? will israel look for a way to end the hostilities or will it continue? is more of an i elation. also next year, nato turn. 75 years old. is the ally and seeking a creative way to induct ukraine into nato. the to discuss these issues and more, i'm joined my guess,

george samuel lee in budapest. he is a pod cast or at the goggle, which can be found on youtube and locals and american us. we have martin j t is an award winning journalist and commentator or a gentleman cross type roles and effect. that means you can jump anytime you want. and i always appreciate it. okay, to start out with george and in budapest look as we're speaking gentlemen. the ceasefire was holding the 2nd day was it was a bit wobbly. some doubts into going into the night, but they made it through so. um, there's every reason to believe that uh, the ceasefire. pause exchange of how of, of captives will proceed. i don't think there's much doubt about that. it's what comes after. and i think that's really the big question and they'll still be a lot of captives in gaza. with them, there are a lot of military officials as well from us is not going to give them up very easily. we've seen in the past, i think it was for one soldier, a 1000 prisoners. the problem is really jail. so this is,

this whole process of exchange is far from over and they would really be letting you know whose government has made it very, very clear with the blessing of the, by the administration. but hostilities will continue. so what george the day after this uh, law in, um the uh, the fighting, what happens. so that's a really good question. i don't think anybody has exactly the answer. i'm so i'm asking you to kind of, you know, but i currently don't have the ons of my feeling is that given the very new emotional response on the bottom, these radius to the hostage release. and there's always the 2 more days of these. um, uh, releases to come. i think it's going to be very difficult to go back to the, the, the same mass bombing and destruction of that was go prevalent before

the the, the exchange because i hear something these rated public good will stand it. and there are still some 200 hostages left. this where it is one of the release, i mean they, they, they, the very, very distressed about that. and they're already been, you know, these mass demonstrations, even yesterday in israel, demanding that the remaining of hostages be released. so i, dentist saying that it, yes is ro will resume it's bombing and is disruptive campaign. but i think that it's going to gradually wind it down. i think that's um it's, it's difficult for them to, for the government to sustain this public support. they losing of cannot completely lost the whatever international support that they have. um, even the by the ministration has become exasperated as wrote. so i did this thing, but it will gradually be wound down. and then they'll be more of these um,

pauses and the hostage exchanges down the road before. finally some, some kind of a ceasefire is global together. well, that happens that we get that, that, that in itself is also very difficult to say. well, not a martin during all this more and more. uh gosh, is, is uninhabitable because you can't live there. there's no infrastructure at all to get it to sustain existence here. so i, i think i'm actually think the, the, the, the israelis will, with, with great fervor will continue. the operation may be less so on the ground, but certainly the bombing because martin, one thing that's not only does october 7th, mean a lot to a lot of people in israel fair enough. but having to have to negotiate with him us . this is, this is really, really difficult for them. okay. and because when i mentioned earlier on the 2nd

day of the exchange, there was a hiccup here in the know and, and it was somebody saying, oh, you're not fulfilling the agreement. so, you know, and that, that's infuriating. and i think that, you know, when you know, when this 4 day exercise comes to an end, i think the israelis are going to have just as much fervor and anger in their demand for revenge. and whatever the costs you georgia, you're right, they don't have any international support left. so what the biden administration is behind is the expect thanksgiving speech that they even didn't. yeah. who gave ok basically whatever it takes. so i'm very pessimistic martin. i'm also very pessimistic is what i think i'm missing. how do you come back after the sci fi with o'denza blazing us thinking it actually intensify the campaign to, to make his point? those couple of issues here, festival, his own support is dwindling rapidly. i wrote an opinion piece, i think of to one week say how long is missing? yeah, i got i, i, i'm not putting myself on the back from my proceedings,

but i think he hasn't got long home. i think i don't know if a lot of his really is a wondering where he said there's no way we're gonna vote for this coalition again and, but nothing knows and popularity is plummeted. so there's pressure on him at home. but i think internationally, it's the key internationally. there are too many western leaders who on the one hand buying the drum and say, israel has every right to into sales. but on the other hand, i'm looking at the numbers of people in london, an, an american and dc, and around the world and thinking how much longer we got politically, if we don't do something about this useful or, you know, so you have staying and those them who were to come out and really faced the campaign for us, these for immediate recognition or more or less immediate recognition of a police new state. if one or 2 of the human mistakes joined them, which i guess they will assume outputs. and that's known as campaign on a stop watch. and he may, will be thinking like we've done the 7 week, something like that. um, can we do another 7 or 8 weeks? i'm get another 15000 to say it probably isn't 15000 foot of all. it may will be 30

or 40. we just don't know who's on the rubble, you know, but he's probably thinking he needs to intensify this because he thinks that he can bring almost to his needs and he can get that victory. that unconditional surrender . but another factor to this is that he wants to not let inside probation anyway. well that, that will say, that's the point martin in, in the, in i throw it back to george here because, you know, we, the biden is saying, you know, he supports israel's, a goal of eliminating how might, as well do far as i am concerned. that's just code for eliminating the palestinians . george a well i, i don't know of the of, of the bottom. the ministration has said what we will not accept will not accept a re occupation of guys or by israel. we will not accept an estimate, a cleansing, and that all of those things are happening. well, it's not me, yes it is happening except that isn't and they may need not on

a permanent basis. and then ultimately, then, what is israel good? you can go on doing, i mean, yes, i can go on under the pointers, disruptive praise, but they're not going to succeed in driving out the palestinian population minutes . and it's clear that egypt is not going to go along with a jordan, is not going to go along with it. the by the administration isn't going to go along with the so, you know, he can go on doing this. but these really public i think, is getting very wary of this and everything, you know, they're obviously very hostile towards the and it's in the yahoo. yeah. he's, he's politically, he's done, but they want the hostages back. i mean, at this stage, you know, the little there was the feeling is what get we've made a point, but we want that. we want the hostages back. and, and then the, the idea that we're just going to go on bombing and bombing. and then these people say, well where, where are hostages? i just don't think that's going to happen. so, you know, this is the packing of all these previous, um, what we call this of moving the low and exercises, you know,

is ro promos away. and then finally, when, when you know, they haven't really achieved anything very much, oh they, they call it a day and then just kick the can down the road. so you know the next guy and yeah, but, but martin, this is qualitatively and quantitatively this, this exercise of moving the lawn is of different magnitude. i mean totally different magnitude. and as i've already mentioned, the parts of the gods a strip now are completely uninhabitable. the, the, the cost and then you have to remember the kate is going to continue. so, um, uh, you know, i, i tend to think that, um, there is this kind of messy on the urge push that they want to destroy as much as possible. but you may not be, might not be bombing them anymore, but if there's, if there's no way to, to, to live. okay. and considering being these railways have been very stingy about aid coming in. um i, i think this is just being

a ethnic cleansing by different means martin, but it is thing that can continue the blockade of age. i think that will be a huge political point. you know, took a iran cut a countries that really, really, really angry with this route and this and yahoo and they are literally frosting at the mouth and took, he's been having a number of meetings with the run. you know, we comp mess with ok. you just comp mess with that size on me is not disciplined on me. you know, which is and they, to a member. we can't afford to go down that road, but i think those countries will demo. and when the, when the dust settles, they will adopt garza and they will basically rebuild in a couple of years old as a problem. and lots of those institutions arise everything. and what, what is real do then? you know, i mean, i think it'd be a questionnaire going back to the, to the, to the 66 weeks. so 8 weeks or can, you know, do another run and he's done. and i think that the clock is really ticking. and i think you'll be countries like cuts and took a who will actually put pressure on through back channels,

the button administration and the a you on more a members days to say the enough is enough. let us now build the 2 state solution. we will come together and we will build it and then you know, we haven't got any situation that will the full that nothing you know, you can play with now he's pushed himself into a cool one. anybody? the other thing is, is it israel? i mean, a lot of these raise a lot of humble is ready to begin to ask themselves, how do we continue up to this? how do we function? we were an internationally plugged into the country to the rest of the world. you know, how do we explore goods, how do we trade? how do we, there was so much, i'm a, i'm girls. there is so much um, well yeah, okay. yeah. fair enough, martin j, but you know what, how many of these countries have cut diplomatic relations with israel? okay. where is the, um, the uh, oil embargo is george has mentioned in the past. okay. uh, there's a lot of anger, but i mean, when it comes to policy, i still think there's a lot of weakness, particularly in the air bro, george, as we finish up this part of the program here,

how does by move, move forward. i mean, he is running for re election. we have a 70 percent of young people polled. do not like his foreign policy. i think that's obviously what when and reference the god. so, but i think some of this i'm excited with we ukraine as well. is he permanently stained by this really adventurous foreign policy of his? well, i would like to think that that so and, and that's probably so, but there is one cavity as well. that is the, um, you know, if with this, this come to an end, let's say within the next, um, well lets say something within the next 2 months it comes on that. so that takes us through to uh, january, you know, whenever we, we start the primary season. um, you know, what does the democratic body do in those circumstances? well they do what they always do, which is, oh my god, if you don't the bible, the big bad, horrible orange man is going to come in. you have to do everything you can do

because both are buying and all those young people who are not protesting about is the legal. are there any way you think i'm allowed from to come in? the big orange man is a even bigger supporter. at least able supporter of israel as the by the ministration gentlemen going to jump in here. we're going to go to a short break. and after that short break, we'll continue our discussion on some real and stay with our to the, [000:00:00;00]

the, the a welcome act across the dock were all things are considered 9 people. now this is the home addition remind you we're discussing some real news. the let's go back to georgia in the change gears here, the, the, you and i've been using about over the last few weeks on how the nature wants to

become like, who do you need? you know, they want to be made a magicians. they want to come up with creative ideas. okay. and obviously i'm making reference to ukraine after all, next year is the 75th anniversary of the alliance. they're all very, very proud of themselves. and even though it's completely failed to keep the peace in europe, its primary mission. and we've heard of these different ideas that you know, you don't have to recognize that russia has a territorial control over the down bass to other regions and, and try me. and we'll just pretend they don't. okay? and the you don't have to walk away from what just going to pretend. and then you know, the old and tried tried and tire some policy. how about a no fly zone? okay, is it that's like an a new idea. okay. i mean, grasping at straws. but as the alliance goes up to its 75th birthday, you know, most people retire before 75,

george. and i think maybe you know the lines that'd be thinking about that too. okay, but they, they got to put a big i got to put some lipstick on this peg. george? yes, i see so well the yes, the 75th birthday party that's coming up. um next july. i dentist saying that need so cannot do what he did in vilnius last year just to fall ukraine off with the and i can of a bunch of meaningless words and i've had on the had a problem. i have, i have to do something to say that, hey, you know, we, we have accomplished something in ukraine and, and that's why i think of it is very significant. the, those, uh, i mean, this is something we've discussed before. those 2 um articles that appear recently, you know, one by on this photographs, moves them to form and they just say for general, one by admiral james. the reed is the form of supreme allied commander is one of the 2 most senior people in nato. and the rose said, well, we can do it,

we can actually but induct ukrainians and they, so um and then we just present russian with the fed complete, are you ready to escalate and, and wage war against nature and russia has throughout the so several special mother drop ration as shown, great reluctance to extend the war and ukraine to any late. so tara trip. so i did this thing that you know, the given the lead. it will just the stature of these 2 well says, you have to say this is a stalking cause. and when nato made his previous mistake in 2008 is that he said it in public. we will bring the ukraine into nature that gave russia time to prepare an act. so what do you plan now thinking in terms when we're not going to say it in public, we just go to announce that this is done. we've gone it with way with being and gone and down your brain is now in nato,

and there's nothing russia can do about that. i think this will happen, but i do think that this is what they're thinking about. and i know that, that, that it is a really playing the ultimate game of chicken because martin. okay, what, what, what you say brussels does that, you know stilton burge that's, you know, it's going to be his parting gift to the world. there's where i said necessarily have to recognize it. it may, it may not, and it may continue. it's a operations in ukraine while the rest of the lions thing. so ukraine is a member, so i would throw the other way. so do you do nato countries want to actively get involved in a war against frustrated goes, cuts both ways. go ahead. bismark is just so many things wrong with it. you know, it has when you, when you think of these people you need. so you know, a acolytes with the problem you paint is rather like um, witnessing somebody standing over a sick dog beating it with a stick, you know, and the mo, the stick that the guess you know to the, how do they beat,

hoping for magical solution. that's really the crazy thing miscalculation miscalculation layer, upon layer. and this is just another one of those. so i'll fetched ideas. you're going to be going to pity the nato a lot. when they have that puts you in july, you know, what are they going to celebrate? and that's the problem. you've got ukraine, which is a spectacular failure. you know, and, and people are admitting it, it's not like people have been quiet. you know, a number of native leaders are actually alluding to this. americans are saying some of the most important people in the, in the, in the washington swamp are saying, is this a, was that we can when we, you know, we're old enough, 3 of us old enough to remember. that was the rest of rick at the end of the vietnam war. he knows it's not, can we, when it is, you know, is it, is it winnable on any level, any emotional level? of course it isn't. you know, i think there are a couple of points wrong with the form of data is the secretary general's idea. you know, the ukraine kind of have sort of semi membership off base membership of nate. so he

actually said in an article or read that some once that was set. so once you crane would have this sort of, um, special status membership of nato rush. it wouldn't the inside of that point because it would be a talking and they so many, but they're already there. i know, but i think that's faithfully force as really thank you. you know, because again, you know, put, it doesn't put the emphasis on russia. it puts the emphasis then back again on the west and they to states to do was if then russia attacks, it will be back on there for the to another point is the late to is not an institution that does state building and you know, it's very difficult to have really primly blackwood corrupt countries in it. you know, to set the level to set the standards towards countries like georgia, for example, you know, aspiring to become a member member, a state of nature. so it doesn't do the unlike the e u that pretends it does that nature doesn't build democracy. and one of the, one of the big points, one of the, um, the, to, to join the nicer club. you're supposed to have

a pretty clean slates on corruption. and the levels of democracy, even though it was built in the us, it was less reported that some countries offered uh, you know, i get out of jail cod from for is an integrated bypass that rule in line in. but i think the hardest bit to swallow of this is that in the document in that proposal, there is a suggestion, was that some, those regions that you were talking about would just be handed back to russia and forgotten about. and the problem with, of course, is and then skim self. so this is bang the fist on the table so hard and so long and said that is not negotiable. that throws up. another question between now and july is if the nature policy is going to go ahead, could it go ahead without zalinski as well because the problem. yeah, yeah, it was a, that's exactly it. yeah, george. but i'm going going back to these, these nato plans, but they're not thinking in terms of security,

say that that's again, nato isn't doing what it's supposed to be doing, thinking in terms of collective security. what their, that this magical thinking, and that's exactly what it is, is it increases in security for everybody involved. me is doing exactly the opposite of what it was designed to do. george? well, that's the page is risen deadra. we thought the other day about this a boat at prices. there's just been manual it out of sitting there when school and, you know, it has been the, you know, no problems. adult, 77 years now is your nato alone bill that there's a border crisis with russia, so you don't need to, you know, it's, you know, it has to justify its existence and therefore it has to continue to manufacture the price is that he then presents itself as the solution to was, but now i'm now in this case of um,

inducting the nato infecting your brain into nato. on the slide. it would probably go together with some kind of a, a, an honest, a zone and others just let, let's stop fighting for the time be. so leave us either start with a, with a rush, we will accept this, but if it goes together with that is a, we're not actually accepting these there, which is a loss. and that the now part of russia we just will stop by doing for the time being, you know, ally, you know, korea in the vietnam also, you know, at the time of the geneva conference in the fifty's. and this is the way americans often operate, which is, well, nothing is just settled, little, we'll leave it into the future. and then of course, make nato convert. stop this whole thing up all over again. yeah, i mean, it really quick. so it appears what appears to be in play here is that they just can't order the words we lost. okay? so martin, they basically is this, they, you know, just to it just enough to keep the lights on. okay. i mean, just the know,

you know, that's what or whatever it takes means now is the we keep, we pay their bills, we keep the lights on and wait, wait, we could keep up the rhetoric. but at the there's essentially they just, the is essentially accepting defeat just not saying martin, but how long does that go on for, you know, i don't, i don't think for that much longer. it is, it will get to the punch you in july before number of commentators. a number of member states will start say, unless something has to be done. something has to be done about ukraine quickly because nature itself as a credibility problem. you know, so to get this nonsense that we do, you know, at the beginning of the world, you know, nato is, had a fresh shot of new life, you know, injected into it. um, the framework gave it a new identity, you know, following up from from microns, a brand that come in. i think the before that i don't imply that i don't think that's still the case. i think the bigger the, the whole, the full and if you're setting yourself up to be

a huge international security operation, but you are afraid of firing one bullet. i'm sending one man to the front line and i'm just touching and dr. ducking every waving all through weaving. so every possible different magic so so that you don't go to will and that you just play the escalation code every, every now and again. and you know, but at some point we're going to look for escape goods, you know, between now and july. and so let's get over the big escape. there is, he's been, he's having pressure put on him by some people in congress to hold elections next. a say no, no, this is a wrong time for elections. you know, i mean, like messing yahoo, you know, there's a, there's a link that like missing the, i, these are both leads is that know if they went to the post today they wouldn't win . so, um, you know, if there was a sudden the isn't as good still a puppet of the, but the ministration for as long as by and decides, you know, this is wonderful cartoon mem created on the social media of some of the blinds and putting his hand on the shoulder of, of zalinski as lensky is looking up to him,

look into the boy saying, um, but use it until the end. and, but in the system, this is the end as well. actually, i think we're going to reach that point between now and july, my, my $0.50 my crate again is so tray of bread putting batch is the zalinski is going to be edged out of power. i think before those celebrations can go ahead and share, but then what is the value of of need? so for ukraine, i mean it's a big so you know, some magical way george they get in. so is, is the, the 52nd airborne going to start bombing russia? i mean, none of this makes any sense. let's go ahead. the last, last 15 seconds, go to the bottom of the station, has invested a great deal. and so therefore, i don't limit just going to let go of it. i just thought that's all the way the americans offer it. and so let's gives a useful person. and then you know, you the, you know, he's a jewish as they keep are binding as a surgeon. you no longer have the alibi about the, the

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