use standards on those particular specific issues. brussels major reaction has been to the bottom of the administration has released the data showing which states have benefited from arms funding for ukraine hoping to win back the support of those who recently voted against kev. a r t correspondent rachel blevins has more details. it's new secret. the joe biden has been lobbying for more us 8 for ukraine for months, but he hasn't forgotten about his other top priority. the 2024 presidential election . in fact, one of biden's main talking points has been that congress should support more legal aid for t f because it creates jobs for americans. just last month, defense secretary lloyd austin, argue that states across the country are benefit fueling, ukraine's war chest. some $50000000000.00 of a supplemental request would flow through our defense industrial base, creating american jobs in more than 30 states. these investments will also improve

our production capacities far into the future and help ensure that we are ready to tackle security challenges world wide. but the map defined in ministration is circulating that shows the breakdown of how the billions of dollars approved for army ukraine has actually been dispersed, shows that the states that are benefiting the most specifically incurred swing states, whereby then is looking to show up support in next year's rates that includes more than $2300000000.00 and investments for pennsylvania. and more than $2100000000.00 for arizona, both of which are expected to be pivotal swing states in 2024. 0, you may be creating jobs. they are in the industry of death and destruction, not improving the us as a country. and that was pointed out recently by independent presidential candidate robert f. kennedy junior, creating jobs is a poor excuse for a foreign policy. the greeks may have around the world. well, kennedy has been rising in popularity and recent polls fight,

it has been falling especially and had to had come to us with his republican rival, donald trump. and yes, that includes polling and cheese swing states. whereby that has made sure that they have benefited from ukrainian 8. a reminder that biden's investments seem to be in all of the wrong things as his approval rating remains in all time low to the right . now to africa, where a ship was 25000 tons of weight from russia has arrived in the symbolic capital. mogadishu, marshes and basset are to somalia officially handed over the shipment of the country's interior minister. the cargo, as part of the humanitarian aid meant to address the consequences of this month's flooding in the east african country, which has killed almost 100 people in forest. more than 700000 entities leave their homes. it is reportedly the country's worst. the climate disaster in recent decades, the right of next on prospect lavelle taxes is just about the flood ization and

weapon ization of the israel palestine complex. and i was speaking, the truth has been essentially criminalized by the the hello and welcome to cross talk where all things are considered. i'm peter level framing and contextualizing the israel palestine. conflict has always been politicized. and even weaponized. today, this is on full display. and it is polarizing beyond the mass civilian casualties. speaking the truth about the conflict has essentially been criminalized the

processing power assign. i'm joined by my guess lionel in new york. he is a legal and media analyst in san francisco. we have richard hartigan, he is a journalist, as well as the author of the book, the other side of the wall. and in sydney we crossed each aloria. he's the editor in chief of concerning him news dotcom gentlemen, cross eyed girls in effect, that means you can jump any time you want. and i always appreciate, i'm going to go to jo 1st because it's 12 midnight in sydney as a true hero of cross talk labor. joe, you as a new crane, we have this conflict now in gaza in palestine. and you know, we have an elite narrative and then we have is a go through a civil society across the western world. it's a lot more complicated than what they're telling us. ok. i'm being a pro power speed power help for palestinian. does that mean your pro, her mass, but we're told that all the time, which is utterly absurd. go ahead,

joe. as well as a good many of american people in particular, i don't want to talk about who are a human beings with normal human feelings. we like to think we live in the modern age, peter, in that genocides of which there were so many in history or thing in the past. but we're watching one, an old testament style genocide live on t v. as i've said, a lot of people around the world and particularly american people in young americans were going out in the streets and numbers. and not only people, industry, despite and joe biden is feeling the heat in the street in the white house, in the state department amongst his own party members and voters. this pressure from the american public on by and is the only force in my view that could end this genocide very soon it by and got on the phone and said no more weapons, no more money. it has to stop. it's gone far enough. but of course, we don't expect that to happen by the way. nothing yahoo! who went to high school in philadelphia and started am i to your massachusetts and

was the you and invested israel from israel who up in new york. he knows he speaks, i cannot put an american accent in english. he understands the american. so i called you, i don't think was coincidence at this 4 day pause, which is now yes. has been expected faculty of added for day for day thanksgiving because we knew the american people will be watching tv and he didn't want to show genocide while they were having their holidays. so i think the american people are the ones that get in this in button and nothing you don't notice, you know, line or you know, do we have the anti defamation league is going after jewish voice for peace calling them. and ty submit it, can you explain to me how that is even remote remotely possible? i know i'm still trying to figure out jews for jesus. i didn't understand any of this. in fact, what we're doing right now is this is a war of taxonomy, appalachians. i am now replaced with my my world used to be trumped arrangements and drums. i know i'm into an is really

a gaza derangement syndrome. i have to follow certain pre set things to say, i'm losing friends. we're doing the same thing. yeah, we're, we're using the word anti semitism. like we use the word racism, it's been deluded to nothing. then we'll throw in zion is, i'm just like, what does this have to do? then we will say, well, this is about religion. and i say, how do you think that troubles and northern ireland were a good product into the catholics? but here's my best one is this, we always talk about proportion. there's no proportionality between what's happening out and what's happening with russia. somebody actually a prep, a prominent person, i'm not going to mention his name actually said i'd said that israel should be applauded because at any time they could go in and just level gaza, i said, but at any time potent could go in and level you great well, that's different. what do you mean? that's well the feedback. no, that's the point. lionel is always, except,

except for ok, i'm for free speech, but. okay, let me go to richard in san francisco. i'm going to name some names here. i think they're all pretty well known. dave, reuben allen. dearest you with douglas murray. jordan peterson, been shapiro bar, barry wice or 15 minutes ago they were all free speech advocates. what happened? yeah, that's an excellent point. i think, i mean free speech, it's kind of generally known that free speech is people support free speech when it's in favor of what they are in, when it supports what they are in favor of in favor of i mean you, you see what's happening to the students in the united states, they're being modeled on to, especially on campuses. it's a really, really difficult situation. they are, they are, you know, the right wing is all about free speech. everything as well, free speech. but in this case, that has gone completely out the window. yeah,

it's really unfortunate because it shows the hypocrisy that their, their advocacy of free speech was just to score political points or something. and means it wasn't very important to them. jo, in, in, in sydney. you were, you already brought up the operative word here and it's something that i think we should always use very, very carefully. but it's not used carefully by the us government and it's called the word genocide. okay. rocha's committee goes to jet as like china is committing genocide. everybody's committee content is like but not in gaza. and that is truly, truly a odious because the i c. c. a, you know, always going after the adversaries of the west. but have you heard anything from the i c c? when it comes to godsa as well, they've had a file open for 5 separate years now in slot and 2015 palestine. when they became unobserved. state filed a complaint against israel. they been, it was 5 years, a preliminary discussion,

and now it opened up in 2021 for good. he doesn't need to wait. carry him con. who is the prosecutor, chief prosecutor, the icpc. he didn't wait. how long was the thing we're going on before you indicted fulton? so he could do this right now. it doesn't need for the word and, and the evidence is overwhelming. and i agree with you the word genocide, for example, should not be used lightly at all. but if you tell me the congenital convention to find it in various ways, one of them being quite deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring it physical destruction, home or part. that's key people to forget about or part. you have to kill a 1000000 thousands to be guilty of this. we haven't had francesco been age of the un. rubber 2 are on the occupied territories. and now that p like, who is investigating possible war crimes in this current dodge of war uh for the un human rights council. both of them have talked about genocidal intent in discussion in statements by is really officials. i think we've all heard them by now. they're human animals,

we're going to burn it to the ground. let them know who's quoting from the old testament. they have made over and over again. the statements, this pitch icpc could be doing something right now, but why aren't they? we all know why? because united states is putting enormous pressure, what is the most politicized court in the world? they will do anything to stop. israel and american soldiers are being indicted and so far they've shown absolute cowardice to only indict african leaders. and the 1st right man was loved him. important. okay, well, you know, a line or, and why why the bite? why is the biting administration continuing with its policy of being asked repeatedly, are there any red lines? let's make sure it's what everyone should know. our audience should know almost all the weaponry is real, is using right now, is american made. ok, america is culpable in this. it is a is as a, as far as i understand, a tony blinking visit the secretary of state. he won't be attending a war cabinet. he will have a seat at that table. lionel is,

this is the reason why people are so upset that you can have and you can have an opinion on the power assign question. i mean, it's been around, i can look at all of us here on, on this program. it's been with us our entire lives. but when it comes to mass casualties, most people gonna say not in my name, lionel. 2 point years ago, i'm a lawyer back profession and years ago contracts uses a party of the 1st part party, the 2nd part. and i suggest that whatever we discuss anything evolving is real or palestine because people always confuse palestine with whom us. because we have to get definitionally correct. let's just call it party, the 1st part party. the 2nd part, if i would just say, let's assume a country did this. you should be able to answer the question there is in, in my country and i've been in media as we know, brother peter a long time. and there has been through years of, of, of guess, conditioning an absolute 3rd rail patel or, well,

recoiling from ever even broaching the subject of the word israel less you feel this incredible kind of breaks on you. all of a sudden that's off. have you noticed how in the world of social media, people like finkelstein and mirror shy marie and others who themselves were to load them pretty much outliers. now they're enjoying this incredible researches or prominence because people want to hear this. and finally, we have an election coming up and joe biden and the democratic party to show you this good. so affective this association from reality. how do they go to their base and say we are your favorites? we are the, the, the standard bearer of the classic product, typically liberal progressive when, when it, in fact there absolutely indistinguishable from fox news. right. i mean, look what's going to happen to bobby kennedy. yeah. look what's happening. october, the 7th. peter changed everything in terms of labeling nomenclature,

political positioning, strategizing, it changed or present, but it also, you know, light on what it did. also, it reveals who has a moral compass and i think that's the most important thing. you're, you know, richard, you know, we come across this a, a claim. israel has a right to exist. well, that is the most last i'll go argument i've ever heard in my life is real, does exist. it exists under international law. it is a member of the united nations nation. states have obligations when they are a member of that body here. so i'm so sick and tired of that retort, richard as well. exactly. i mean, they do exist when people talk about the right of israel to exist. it's kind of a, it's a very on. it's a strange question. so very loaded question. right? because you know, no, i'm, chelsea says states don't have the right to exist. they just exist. yep. right. and so when, when you ask a question of whether israel has a right to exist or not,

there is a question about, you know, does it have, does it exist, have the right to exist as an ethnography? is there a right for a country to give complete preference to one group of people based on their religion over another group? and that's a completely different question. all right, so now i'm going to jump in here. we're going to go to a short break. and after that short break, we'll continue our discussion on palestine space with our team, the the the welcome back across. ok, we're all things are considered. i'm peter will about to remind you we're

discussing power sign. the ok. go back to joe and said me, joe, i think probably the most pernicious element of all of this is the word zionism, and how the zionist have been able to very effectively make a design is i'm in israel and judaism is being one thing, which is not a part and couldn't be further from the truth. ok, zine isms has nothing to do with judaism. zionism is a ethnic nationalism that is very, very intolerant. ok, it's a premises id. ology. let me give an historical, an example for our audience. this is like jim crow. okay. it just called zine is i'm in a different part of the world. and israel, the, the extreme white wing, people that are running the country right now are very comfortable in using it because they think the west as, as joe has already told us that in. yeah,

i know now who knows this very well that you americans want, can see and understand the difference except for american views see the difference . and they are appalled by the use of zionism in their name. go ahead, joe. as we write zionism is a secular political movement has nothing to do with religion. the old joke is it zine us or atheist would think god gave them the promise land. so there's a, it's a real problem to conflate the judaism and zine is my big problem. because you could be certainly opposed design is, i mean it doesn't make you into jewish, but i go by conflicting it. it gives them coverage to be able to say that anything, any criticism of the israeli government is somehow anti drawers or anti semitic, you know, call and power back in 2000. i think in the 1st you and conference on racism in durban and south africa was asked to the press come and visit and us admitted to criticize these really government. you said absolutely not. well, we've come a long way from that. they've gotten away with this look how they've changed the

debate. we're nobody's debating about whether this is a genocide or not. it's whether this is at this american out what's going on today . that's a smoke screen behind which israel's carrying out its ethnic, cleansing, operational looks clearly. they want to kick. they've kicked to rid of old houses that have north guards. looks like they're gonna try to kick them out of the shop into egypt. this is the continuation of the not for that never ended, but it intensifies every once in a while. this is the most dense. it's certainly been since 1967 or 73, that they are continuing the driving of the pulse to be people of the land so that israel can fulfill ben green's dream that he had in the red house and tel aviv, which was to take over all of his dark palestine at that moment they will go for one state solution to allow whatever arabs to remain together. but just the way the americans gave the american name united states gave him the american indians about 1924 after enough for them were killed off. yep. it, you know, richard is very interesting. is that again, the way that's being framed,

particularly in the west, particularly in the united states, the joe biden and anthony blake, and we have to go back to the 2 state solution. well, just in the last news cycle, netanyahu was trying to convince the little quick look the code party that he should stay in power because he's the only one that can make sure that there won't be a 2 state solution. i mean, american media, if it doesn't even realize what's being said on the ground in israel and, and then the state department tries to sell it, the big a will be a mediator with united states is not a mediator. it's on one side, richard, the united states has not been a mediator for a long, long time in this, in this so called conflict. and the double speak is just incredible. let me actually i do want to address one thing about the complaining design is i'm with the ran design is one of the anti semitism. not only is it completely wrong, but it also, i mean the anti semitism is a real problem in this country. and by obscuring that definition,

it completely diminishes the fight against true anti semitism. and not only that in saying that, and that and design isn't, it is the same thing as anti semitism. is like saying design is i'm and judaism are the same thing, which is which is itself anti semitic. are you saying these people are saying that the theft of land and, and apartheid are jewish values that's anti semitic. it's probably anti slide level . you agree and jump and go ahead. you know, a couple of things i've, i've been israel twice and the thing that people have to see is when you say is riley, their arab is real. is it rarely, if you want to read what is i i read something from her read one time to a friend of mine. so can you believe this book is a good? this is a look at it and you submitted pat, but i read it and i said, look, no, this was okay. peter gentlemen, i am from the united states. i have been absolutely fearless and sometimes brutal

in assessing my own countries brutality, whether it comes from to vietnam or are they a stupid wars in iraq and afghanistan? i've had no problem whatsoever. nobody ever called me at the american. nobody. i never have indicated my, my, my faith, my fidelity, my field to, to my country, but something happened. sure. that's different. and by the way, the trump, the actual book, when you go on a product, typically classical conservative show, you must ask the following. number one is how much a terror resort in the nation. number 2, do you denounce october? the summit? number 3, this is you will have the right to exist. number 4. what if it were you? how many times do these top isn't have to be repeated. gentleman, there is something which i love and it's called complexity. and we, we could take peter, one of your well crafted questions and spend 3 hours to go to one i know, or the american media don't have time for that. we speak in a 140 a character sound bites,

and we need names and yes or no and who's right and who's wrong? this is, i'm going to say this again. the world changed october. the 7th does change the matrix the, the, the track, the, the, um, the mortality of politics, geo political, you name it. nothing will be the same from now. yeah. but so i agree of absolutely with lionel. but october 7th, opened the eyes of a lot of people in the world, and that is what's so important here. when i saw jewish voices per piece at uh, in new york and a grand central station, i almost almost brought a tear to my eye because i thought, finally these people are speaking for themselves. israel doesn't speak for all jews in the world. no, absolutely. if there's gonna be any silver lining in this horrendous the uh, the master that we're watching right now. it will be that more and more people in the us and particularly young people especially are opening their eyes to the

history of israel and palestine. what the concepts really about and they've given up on the idea that there were no people there and the israel has made the desert blooming when they drove out 750000 people violently from their homes to take over that country. and that process is still going on more, i'm up to see that that is a great worry of israel, that they will find out. and people of the world is finding out and the trying to cover up by calling this any criticism of what they're doing and i shipments, i'm just as we've discussed and they will continue to do this. i'm afraid that they will, after this pause is over, they're going to hit start the weather again and drive out as many people as they can. i only biden can stop this and only american people could force that. so really that was that. so there is a lot, that's what they're worried about. it's joe, but let me stay with joe here. is that that's what's really problematic here because you know, joe biden, by his own admission, is a great zionist here, and we have a lot of people. is it hired

a higher up in the administration that are of the same else? and i really worried that they, they will not deter netanyahu, netanyahu's fighting for his political life. let me switch it over to richard in san francisco. this is about about his personal legacy is as well. i am terrified that the war will return in greater intensity richard as well, i think. yeah, and that's in yahoo. i mean, he's fighting for his political life, but he's also, i don't, i, i think the bombing will start again. i don't, i really, really hope not. i don't know. i mean, there's so many conflicting a couple of conflict things, right? we're but there's so much pressure on him. his political life, the, the, the families of the hostages are, are begging and you know, there are marches and protests begging him to, to continue the ceasefire. and i, i really don't know what's going to happen. i hope this thing the violence somehow

ends, but i don't, i mean, his stated goal was to eradicate from us. and in fact, i mean that's what he wants to do, but he wants to do more than that. they want to eradicate garza there is a spurious for crime happening at the moment. it's always just, it's always understanding how these things are framed and you know, getting rid of him us, but line on wouldn't have been better how to bring peace among all these people here. see that something and aspirational thing is something that could be thought about. but what would netanyahu in, in the us government is just pursuing violence and that's not going to be it last 75 years. the 75 years of violence has not created a solution line. oh, and let me tell you something. also here i am in new york, let me tell you what i find fascinating. as 2024 elections. bloom, many many friends of mine who have been part of typically died in the world. classical, liberal, limousine, liberal, upper west side, whatever you want to call,

and they are jewish, and they always align themselves with the, with the prototypical classically liberal progressive wing. now they're finding that their support of israel is being met with violent political and sometimes physical violence by people who of to we are part of october the somebody aligned themselves as liberal. ok. so we're seeing just this, this association. so we're seeing classically, a part of typically liberal jewish, new york, americans now aligning themselves with the conservatives. and you're seeing this complete re shuffling of everything. so i say this again, unless we get, as you gentlemen have said correctly, unless we figure the nomenclature, the operations in the tech's taxonomy correct. when it comes time to vote, you're going to be confused. i'm telling you again, bobby kennedy. pet is a darling to see you rather we everybody and he has now because of recent events

shifted to the right. he therefore could be poaching. vote from trump. yeah. and handing it to the next president, gavin newsom. so this did you name the area, the implications that you say correctly opened the eyes from october? the 7th. everything's different. now. a joe, i'll give you the last 35 seconds of the program. go ahead. yes, my fear is that the, the paul's, that where i'm seeing the seas far will continuing to as many hostages of prisoners can be released and then the user will begin it's bombing again and bite and has got to make a calculation here. does he risk his re election or the democratic parties re election by continuing to be seen is complicit with this genocide or to the face that the typical pressure of the israel lobby that could primary and destroy political careers? this is the cat goes, he has to make out, and we all hope that it makes the right decision and tells these rallies to stop. well, we know what brock obama side of the way i think it was. a former defense secretary said about jo biden's decisions on foreign policy or as all the time we have

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of cult oh, stickle grants. and you've got, you have to deal with rich new. i mean, the 30 palestinians released from is really tells arrive in their homeland we hear from the mother of one of the free to prisoners. we bought a had young man. today's happened is just wait, but it saddens me that the prison is remain instead of promising meals, they bid them. besides they use insults and verbal abuse to watch them. it's something beyond the normal 6 hostages fried by how the loss returned to israel as mediators press for another 2 day extension of the gaza trees agreements . is that you met with surely, but it was a should do we need human rights institutions that a so flawed they can be used as a tools by those that aim to privatize international organizations for their own