so i'm reporting that just 12000000000 is bill gates. jeff as us del musket brokovich, they use the same as 2100000 homes in terms of carbon emissions equivalent of 4.6 coal cold plants, just every yeah. isn't the it really the gap between rich and poor here? that's a in question. odd. yes, it's critical let you know we, we have a huge in balance and in the, the amount of people who use greenhouse gases and it costs that you know, the rich countries and, and the billing is using got 5 grades of emissions. and then the pores, people, how do you think the going to pay for the poor us to people at this club? $28.00 summit? well, i don't think the get a price for it at this cost, but i think inevitably they going to have to, to pay somehow. and i think this is part of the discussions where having during this comp summit around this lawson damage fund,

it's clear that we need a fund, but we'll draw from uh, you know, rich people from corporations that are producing greenhouse gases and to pay for the home that they causing to, to pull communities and that's all from me now, my colleagues, husky. i tell you the whole, the end of the top of the to take you on further round. so the updates from them at least, and somewhere around the world, by now the hello, i'm the miller chan. you're tuned into modus operandi. earlier in 2023 us president joe biden surprised and disappointed. many people around the world when he authorized sending kids pentagon stop piles of cluster munitions, these munitions have been banned by most of the world, including most

u. s. allies. yet, nobody took diplomatic measures to block the movie. today will explain what these ordinances are and why they us should join. it's natal partners in the band. all right, let's get into the m. o. the nearly 20 years ago, a comprehensive treaty was developed to banned the use of cluster munitions. these versatile weapons have a long and ugly history around the world, especially their extensive deployment in laos, cambodia, and vietnam during the sierra is secret war. so just what our costs are me to nations. all their basically a larger looking bomb that houses hundreds of smaller bonds. these munitions can be fired from the ground by all sorts of artillery systems dropped by aircraft. and

the disburse mid air spreading. these so called bomb lists or bomb beast indiscriminately, those smaller, many bombs are supposed to explode upon impact, spending, shrapnel, in every direction. the idea is to cause maximum carnage against the enemy. but as you'll learn today, that is not the reality of what happens to the bomb these historical records. tell us that us cluster munitions have over a one percent fail rate. they don't explode as intended. so what happens is they remain dormant in the ground for sometimes decades as an louse for an unsuspecting civilian to accidentally step on kick or whatever may be a farmer telling their land. most of the civilians, however, are children who think their toys because they look like a tennis ball. a little tennis ball sized or, or you may think

a one percent fail rate is actually a good number. but you'd be wrong when you consider the 10s of thousands of the bond lists that are actually released since the 2008 convention on cluster munitions. more than a 100 countries have signed the treaty, including france, germany, the netherlands, the u. k. and 20 other nato allies and partners, such as japan and australia. but the us, russia and ukraine have not signed on. in fact, for the wes, a d o, the policy issued in november of 2017 permits the use of all the millions of cluster munitions stocks. quote, until sufficient quantities of enhanced and more reliable versions are developed and fielded. and the pentagon policy also pays the way for the us acquisition of cluster munitions from foreign sources to replenish its stock. according to human

rights watch. meaning the us has to get rid of its old stockpiles somehow. so they can make way for the acquisition of new munitions. so to talk more about the ravages of cluster munitions will bring in a guest who has had on the ground firsthand experience with the sab results of the use of these weapons. sarah collette the law is the ceo of legacies of war and chair person for the us campaign to ban land lines and cluster munitions coalition. you can follow her on twitter or x as they are calling it these days at sarah collab. stella, thank you so much for joining us, sarah. so there's a lot of talk lately about cluster munitions because of the war and ukraine after the us decided to send keys of some of the kinds of guns old stock piles. and i think it's fair to speculate that some of these old stockpiles came from decades

ago when the c, i a range these down onto a louse during the sixties and seventies. talk to us about the kind of devastation cluster munitions cause and is there any impact to these types of arms as they age? meaning perhaps older munitions have a higher failure rate to detonate, then say newer ones. yeah, i'm the, i think so much behind me on terrorist i think this issue. so 1st i just want to say that as someone who s version witness my father, dr. suicide glover, i work on numerous win victims of chrysler, or u. s. o. and then my accident, i know version to horrors that these types of indiscriminate that'd be what is can have on civilian population. so, you know, was a little bit about the munitions boston question,

right. so to by the administration announce on july 7th that it was transferring munitions, q, u, i. and those munitions are now being used by the, in military and the ones that questions are from the 1980s. so these are the m 864, and they're at least 30 years old. and manila you are absolutely right. you know, once these munitions are sitting in our soft pile, they do age and there's where i share. but i think the, the plan that we should be focusing on is the impact of civilians during and after the cost way. not that way, right. i think the dead ray is just right here and i because we know that the latest march report on us munition was just released this week and states that

these lessons impact 90 percent of civilians. a 60 percent of those are billions by children that are under the age of 18. right. and like you, i'm allow heritage, my own family were victims of us cluster munitions, my paternal grandfather and my dad. then 7 year old little brother died as a result of the secret war in the 1960. so for me, this is deeply personal as it probably is for you. but this isn't a problem that is left to history. is it? i mean it's, it's still a persistent problem. it allows today yeah, no 1st, thank you for sharing to your own personal story. because i do feel that there, you see more and more people share this as part of just really have drain the history, learn from it as well as you try. and to me, this is

a to day problem. so today allows every single hours also having problems and the capital city. again, john has some form of contamination, right. and these are from bonds are draw exactly 50 years ago. it was just in laos and you know, 2 weeks before i flew out in august, there was a traffic accident that occurred in the province. and this involved 3 children, all under the age of 10. so to 10 year old and a 5 year old little girl, just phone lawyer and i was just laying around and it doesn't need is it you all 3 children, an injured one. you know, organizations that receive funding from the united states government to try to address this, we're able to just call the expense on the medical expense for the injured and then

the funeral and basi by traditional religious therapy for the 3 children whose last parish. so that is just in july that that happens. right? and today, the national regulatory authority, the governing body of the year during miles estimates that at least $20000.00 people. so cavities of these unexplored awareness these 5 decades or still are in need of chair. and that, you know, it doesn't tell you that this is a problem today. i don't know what, what i like. we have countless id. my meetings are the minors that are working to clear these orders. but still to this day, less than 10 percent of the area miles has been cleared. and there's still this great need for funding to use these organs to provide them minus education for

victims. like the ones i shared with you inside this, which currently does not have any my with education curriculum, or as you might need to not to mention the victims of the war right after the war as well as unfortunately we allow, we move these orders. i in the future as well. yeah. now it's my understanding and correct me if i'm wrong, but roughly 40 percent of laos is currently completely uninhabitable due to the mass proliferation of us those all over the country. talk to us about those cleaning efforts and allows. yeah, so you know, fortunately, manila is not 40 percent this 30 percent, that's the estimation. right? so one 3rd, while i still have contamination and this is, you know, i for, or it ends on the least a 183 different types of ordinance that's delivering the beautiful landscape allows

. and you know, as the back and i'm very how that the guy states as the leading slender glo lee on . imagine the my so since 1993, the united states invested at least for lifestyle $1000000000.00 for clearance due for a 100 countries. and that includes loss. so due to, you know, legacy the war. our supporters are partners, obviously, assets this year and miles is receiving $25000000.00 for the class afterwards. because this has been on my reservation, how the united states. and this is a lot of money, but i'll give you just a quick perspective in the us. spend $16000000.00 a day in today's dollar, buying wirelessly 9 straight years. so 25000000 in my opinion, is

a drop box. we need to download or i guess miles has to be cleared with yours, mine's lifetime, right? yeah, and this is a problem that we know how to resolve and we have play the myers. that's them ready to do this class effort. but they need more funding. they need to stay yeah. id be able to expand the team suspect and provide more my collab 2 children showing that the dangers of these exploder. right? yeah. and you know like the last or that i have to kind of has to go to hollins. the entire boss and you know, to give you an idea of how to use the my work is i visited the d h i or imagine inclusion chain in the northern products. and this is a project that's funded by the netherlands. so thank you. now that was and i hope they'll continue to find the h i team doing this work,

but the entire loss is very mountainous, right. so there's a lot show. the train is very difficult to access my team and i had to bring a plane to some. yeah, and then take a 3 and a half hour bobby car ride to get to the g mining site. and then i flipped out to the area where, you know, when they are doing the clean up job. but it's really just the goal, because in order to clear the land you have to remove saw the vegetation right? so meaning unclear and yet so you can even get in there. and then maybe you're taking all the necessary precautions for yourself as all the days before getting in that nation. i not required 7 to announce that the villagers coordinate with the people living in the area as well as their livestock to make it safe for clearance. and that nation can happen. so this is, you know, it's

a long process and it requires like immense dedication to training as well as just like the perspective that we are to ensure that he might in the lives are staying as well as all the people that live in that area. right. especially to your point about $45000000.00 for this one year. if we look at the broader pentagon budget of $845000000000.00 this past year alone, that is certainly less than a drop in the bucket. i say please sit tight, we're going to come back with you for some more. don't go anywhere, sarah. coming up next. the us often credits itself with being a champion of human rights, but it's track record would suggest otherwise. we'll discuss it when we return with sarah. pull up the last sit tight. m o will be right back. the

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show. seriously. why watch something that's so different. little opinions that he won't get anywhere else. welcome to please or do the have the state department c. i a weapons, bankers, multi $1000000000.00 corporations. choose your fax for you. go ahead. change and whatever you do. don't want my show state main street because i'm probably going to make you uncomfortable. my show is called stretching time, but again, we don't wanna watch it because it might just change the wayne thing. the welcome back to the m o i manila chance. we're continuing our conversation about cluster munitions with our guest. sarah collab, deluxe sarah is uh, the ceo of legacies of war. thank you for staying with us, sarah. so in spring of 2023, you published an op ed in usa today,

calling on president bye to not to sent cluster munitions to ukraine, but also for the us to join the 100 plus countries in a multi lateral treaty to band the use of them the convention on cluster munitions entered into force back on august 10th of 2010. so as of now the us has not signed onto the convention. do you think part of that is because the convention calls for member countries to clear contaminated areas within 10 years. and because it requires members to destroy all of its stock within 8 years now, add to that the requirement to provide assistance to victims like a victims compensation fund. i mean, is that all perhaps too tall in order for the us, especially as it pertains to allows a so great question. now i think the best person to answer that would be present by in congress. what i can say now is, you know, as the chair of the u. s. c, l, c,

and z, or you can change that landline, possibly this portion. i'll, we are greatly concerned with the munitions that the united states. how transferred to ukraine, and we have consistently, you know, my polish and colleagues, 9 administration for more heresy for clarity, as well as tend to like stop sending lots of musicians. now, the united states have at least one west of 1000000 across the shells. this file and rockets in arsenal, all point to the human rights watch. definitely pro led to 500000000. so munitions, you know, that's a lot of an issue. right. and these are bands my or a $120.00 countries for a reason why there is going to that, right? they cannot tell the difference between or small tile. they don't have any

mechanism that will solve the straw. so that means the cheese or countries like louse, claudia, and get now we're talking 5 decades, we're still cleaning a dw weapons and people still are actual line. um, now are you a star mans? i will say that we are leaning towards, you know, doing everything that you mentioned in cost munitions when we require a signature forey. um, you know, the latest is your 2017 i, there's a mandate that requires congress to not be able to transfer any documentation that have a better way of overlying percent of items as violated by sending us new nations, which is on government. has a that has a den, i don't rate a 2.35 percent. now go this,

this is about the language side, right? but still be we cannot trust the board because any time the use of also munition and about feel always have consistently shown that is different from race that i use just the course. right, right. and when you look at what's like the congressional service review reports on the government's phone, on how to report all these nations, the rates are different, right. in the case of the 2022 congressional service you were is the manufacturer stated that the um the, the rate is between let to buy sense. but do you mind uh, do you mind me 1st experts with these uh, the rate uh between 10 to 30 percent. now in the case of or that we have

already witness. i like the war miles. oh yeah. yeah. and um, so that nation rate, those daily rate, those dod rates, excuse me. so those that rate are anywhere between 10 to hours of 30 percent as we seen in los. yeah. and you have actually just recently returned state side after a visit to louse this summer. i have seen a lot of new videos on social media recently of developments across laos, like the new high speed rail built by a chinese investment that goes from beyond john, the capital city all the way. uh, north into united province china. there's a large, upscale shopping mall that looks like any mile you'd find in america built by a malaysian investment group. the russians are building out new infrastructure at the bench on airport. do you think this speaks to one like the spirit of the allow people to move past it's designation as the most heavily bombed country on the

planet. but as a double edge sword, do you fear that seeing so many new positive developments there, that people might forget the ravages of cluster munitions that still linger especially all over the countryside? or yeah, yeah, you're, you're right. there's a lot of the developments in laos and national geographic. it just actually does a lot of the top for estimation, for 2023 lighthouse, you know, my go online, you are all there to the god. just because last is deals helped me by history that there is, and it's a few a right. there's so many beautiful places for torres. what, who, you know, in my home town i saw the clear chart in nor have already been cleared and a stay for taurus. i'm miles is gary now to chair. did it twice me or i'll see on

it to be the chair boss unit twice before. so there's a lot of people know being lost in the house is a little bit for investments in the for the partnership with the rest of the world . so i'm very proud of that and i'm proud of you know, the car, all right, hiding just because regardless of the past, the people allows deserves to move forward and the people well deserve to see my time view as it's more progress neighbors. but to answer your question, the are number one priority. noah is asking me issue meaning to remove the munition to make it the worst people and the elements of this beautiful country are they actually adopted in addition to the senshi and sustainable development goals that hundreds of countries of a, not they all the world you know prioritizing lake power,

the equity generate quality loss added a s p g 18. so that's last 354 or so, you know, in addition to the united states, funding cleaners offers other countries like the u. k. norway, a turkey funding class offered in laos de la p. r. also invest his own money and resources to do this work as well. yeah. let's, let's hope that all the shiny new shopping malls, people don't forget that this is still happening. like you said, every day people are still dying of this and allows so last question here. you've spoken to the survivors, many of them from the secret war survivors of the cluster, munitions, you x those bomb, is there a lot of names for this stuff, right? what is your take away from their stories if you had to summarize them all, what is it that you want the international viewers watching this to think about

this overall conversation? yeah, um, you know, i think it's simple. i, this is a problem that has a solution. we know that in the words, you save more lives and make the last one usable, is to remove and destroy these women's rights and more funding needs to be a power priority. meaning, you know, like, let's make sure that you, wars are happening all the world in china, nations happening. it's not just, you know, the latest report shows that you mar, there's also as new rejuvenation, syria, as new damnation, right? this is a little problem with at least 30 countries impacted by these definitely is governance positive emission. so we know that there's a solution. we just need to really power highs the part of funding that is consistently being allocated to support countries like whilst they're trying to

move forward from this. and i hope that in addition to, you know, the findings of what from the united states, other countries also do not forget about latency. one is in places like last commodious get gas and you know, the list is going on. and you know, it's really immediate need to also pay attention to this. and she does not have because while toward miles has already lived in over 50 years, people are still being named and injured today. you know, and i mean that much and she was, it is the more dollars will be invested in this. yeah, absolutely, that is the hope a appreciate your time and the work that you and your group do. circle up the lot is the ceo of legacies of war and chair, person for the us campaign, the band land mines and cluster munitions coalition. you can follow her on twitter if you still call it that like me and sarah, blah, blah, thank you so much for your time, sarah, based. all right,

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