one of the 2 countries they were drawn up in london and in europe with no regard for the interests and needs of the local population. high the few little by minute or so less quickly looks next. i mean, i'll be expecting something to happen or will this just then i just broke the way? certainly not going to blow over whenever there's billions and billions of dollars . it profited stake. exxon mobil in any of these. a parasitic capital is entities or, or i'm not going to go away. that is for sure. we hope that cool a heads prevail in guy in the day can be um, communication between president ali and diana and the leadership of nicholas moodle with no meddling from the united states or england or any of the imperialism of uh yes, the year. this is very clearly a regional in south america and in caribbean issue that those sovereign people can

handle on their own without any information from the i c, j or any other international bodies that don't represent their interest. so i, then i ended up always a pleasure to see you. thank you so much for the nice update. thanks again. dian, so big i can american studies. well, that wraps up this new the guy underground is up next be. so let's check that out. the the i'm action or attention, welcome back to going underground, broke out single around the world from the host of view and climate change

conference cop 20. i do buying the you a it's no secret. climate change disproportionately affects the poor despite being ignited by the rich, but if everyone has the right to a healthy environment, will that be heated debates throughout the next fortnight, about the use of common amazing military attacks, just a little to thousands of children, as we've seen in this region, in the past few weeks facilitated by comp to at the age of 10, d, z usa u. k. any you will who beth as it goes, you've been the 1st to have are you in special roplenger and climate change and human rights doctor and fry, who of course, joins me from here in do by. thank you so much special or i'll put you up for coming on. so for days in just remind us of critical it. is this a golf 20 agent? how you under your special or a patrol ship, you directly link climate to human rights and how climate transformation will hurt the poorest in the world. if nothing's done about it as well, yes, this is a critical issue. i mean, climate change represents of one of the most serious rides through here,

manatees that we've ever faced. and it, and it's a, you know, it's already causing harm to many, hundreds of thousands of people that the rights to was a food shelter are all being affected. by the impacts of climate change. and yet of course we have the richest in the world, say the washington post owner amazons you haven't been as well as talking green like other all the gods. but with a half a $1000000.00 york's that need super time because of adult king intimate, $7000.00 tons of common a year. aux. i'm reporting that just 12000000000 is bill gates. jeff, as well as dell musket brokovich, they use the same as 2100000 homes in terms of carbon emissions equivalent and full point 6 coal cold plants, just every yeah, isn't the it really the gap between rich and poor here? that's a in question. odd, yes, it's critical that you know we, we have a huge in balance and in the,

the amount of people who use greenhouse gases and it costs that you know, the rich countries and, and the 1000000 is using up far greater emissions and then the pores, people i'm do you think the going to pay for the poor us to people at this golf 28 summit as well? i don't think they'll get a price for it at this cost, but i think inevitably they gonna have to to pay somehow. and i think this is part of the discussions where having during this comp summit around this lawson damage fund, it's clear that we need a fund that will draw from, you know, rich people from corporations that are producing greenhouse gases and to pay for the home that they causing to, to pull communities and yet, well presumably see a lot of green washing. i mean, it's these oligarchs that always talk about how good they offer the environment. i

know that in your presentation to the, you inspected general of the general assembly. you have a whole section on green washing and climate washing. what is the danger at comp, 28th? all of these big multinational companies using the summit to make up they, are they care about the environment? yes. well, this is eliza great. sierra of this sort of amazing break, you know, people coming together to make it sound like doing the right thing. but clearly with quite concerned about the issue of green motion and you know, signing the right thing, but not actually doing the right thing. and this is, you know, serious problem. we have large corporations producing lots of greenhouse gases and, and they should be responsible for the impacts of causing historically we now know it's mean expose, have as being the secret lobbying by huge fossil fuel companies to prevent ordinary people understanding the depths of the climate crisis. down to the blinking is here

for cop representing the united states. when he was here in the middle east. the other day it seems like he was urging more oil production inside the radio. he was saying, come on, you're going to producing more oil inside your a be said no, originally soon act from britain. uh, presumably as well and do by. he's on the record for saying we need to max out, know, see fossil fuel drilling. it's a, it's unusual, this cop, isn't it? because now we have on the record statements as opposed to last time round from these naser nation leaders explaining how they want more fossil fuel emissions. yes, so it seems contradictory to the purpose of this climate change caught that they're asking for more production of fossil fuels. uh, you know, when, where you are in serious need of all countries to reduce their alliance on fossil fuels, when not on track to making the paris call at 1.5 degrees celsius. and we all need

to drastically reduce our allowance of fossil fuels. so it is a problem that the world later is coming to the summit and not taking the issue seriously enough. i mean, it's clear that it's useful to have a big party or big meeting. i don't know what the emissions of golf 28. 0. but there wouldn't be any mention will there about evidence that by the attacks the north stream pipelines applying germany, resulting in the largest man made maintain emission event in all human history. and now of course techs and l. n. g fact in texas, it is now appearing on the shores of western europe since the law since comp 27. well i, i can comment on the know she is sure. oil, the problem, if you all the special or opportunity you call and comment on north stream. i know we have to wait for the investigation. it's ongoing. isn't the point. so i,

you know, that hasn't been conclusive evidence of this. who, who call us that, that the explosion. so it's difficult for me to comment on that until is a proper investigation of that. yeah, but i mean, have a meeting like this, a military emissions even going to be talked about. according to the cost of all project $760000000.00 pentagon budget equates to $51000000.00 tons of c o. 2 more than most countries at the emissions from the united states. uh, well, the military is of the world is larger than just the c o. 2 emissions from russia. but it is the military going to be up for debate to the top? 28 or just don't really care about the secretive emissions that are clearly then more important than the bcc ever seems to understand. yes, well i mean it is a concern that the military across the glove is, is uh, you know,

crating significant greenhouse gas emissions. and as in discussions with them, civil society organizations today expressing concern about this actual issue of, you know, the emissions from the military across the glove having, you know, seemingly accountable to their mission. so this is a great concern. i mean, clearly he yeah, use you signed a letter and opposing the policy of nato nations as regards gaza, which the sole region and the whole global south is focused on your ledge, guys, a genocide. why is it that you uh, as part of your rebate, presumably about losing emissions of all of these wall plains, from israel and the on by the u. k. u, as in the you nation bombing and killing thousands of children and gaza, the emissions and their human rights that have some sort of a bulk or say, also to not cool for a cease fire. well also saying one's green at golf 28 this year. as

well, i mean not i doing this on the lead to very. busy early on in the, in the, the hostilities for us as ation on both sides, particularly because of the human rights abuses that both sides uh, you know, uh, penetrating in this, in this, of this war. so it's, it's a serious concern. and of course, you know, in, in all the, uh, you know, the, the, was that we're seeing going on at the moment. there are a lot of greenhouse gas emissions associated with this. and, and this is one of the consequences of war for us at a produces a lot of greenhouse gas emissions. and the military doesn't seem to be accountable for this job. i didn't sign a blank check for it. do you think your last or that use a co signed means? that's the reason why joe biden, after appearing in previous cops as well, that to develop into by this year. well i,

i kind of answer for why he's not sure how not to, you know, uh, but you know, it's certainly an issue. you know, the, one of the biggest greenhouse gas produces in the world is not represented by the head of state. do you have any idea why he didn't bother to donna? no, i, i have no idea why he decided not to, to, i mean, clearly the whole international community against european union britain in the united states supports a ceasefire in gaza. you know that the, even, that's a you and other special replica assigned claim that the civilians were being uh, talking to the i think, i mean, israel said that they're not being cognitive as well. you know, my, my concern was the human rights violations from both sides. you know, we,

people have been killed on both sides, you know, in israel and 1000. and that was our concern that, you know, we were calling for suicide cessation of hostilities. so it's uh, you know, we think this is the piece by right, if you're calling for a cx 5. yes. which, which 5 both sides. yeah. we should be united states. absolutely. as not cold for, nor as any of spain, an island in western europe in the country. i mean, what do you make of by them sending is energy, oil and gas advisor to israel and made the a that genocide, aimless hochstein, while thousands of children were being slaughtered in gaza. he says, is a n a g? i mean, i don't know whether that's a climate adviser, is it an oil and gas advisor full of a texas energy man to uh, to the middle east to, to israel. uh, is there an energy klein with aspect to gaza?

mike, as soon as this broader issue of climate change impacts globally and, and the amount of emissions that are being produced by industry across the globe. and i, i prefer not to sort of narrow it down to the guys a situation because that, you know, they're much greater emissions occurring outside of that region. and so that's why i'm here to talk about the global problem of climate change. and i'm trying to get old countries to reduce greenhouse gases. but clearly, if you're sending massive aircraft carriers into his out china sea, sending billions of dollars worth of weapons into ukraine, you're sending billions of dollars a weapons to israel. i mean, clearly their environmental concerns whilst we hear sweet woods preventing a blinking smells in dubai. yes. but, you know, as i saying, i mean,

i, i would prefer not to just narrow down to this issue because, you know, even before they said install hostilities crisis, we still have a numerous amount of emissions being a good by major economies across the globe. and this is my concern is, is you know, how to address this issue, the major economies across the globe. and that's, that includes china, russia, united states, united kingdom, european union, are all producing greenhouse gases that are, you know, a concern and, and these are on a basis. and we need to, you know, pull in these emissions because we can see people across the crowd suffering as a consequence. we only have to look at the floods that are just occurred and says that um, you know, the long drought, the people who lived in some have been living in somalia and now suffering droughts . lodge floods. you know, there's a common trend around the globe that we see these long periods of drought when

people are dying as a consequence and climate change and, and then suffering floods. so this is a global concern that i'm worried about, and it's affecting people across the globe. the un special orbiter. i'll stop you. that smell from you in special rapids on climate change in human rights activism, right? the the,

the welcome back to going underground. i'm still here with you in special, we're at the, during climate change in human rights talk to in frank, special we're about to, we were talking about the militarism and the fact that it is not just militarism. obviously that's a the context of climate negotiations here in dubai. for comp 28. you did say that ukraine was complicating things. what, why was the conflict in ukraine complicating environmental measures as well? i'm not sure i've ever said that. uh, i mean, clearly there is no issues and conflicts across a flood that uh, you know, a serious issues and you know, their emissions associated with those. but there are a lot of other sources admissions as well. of course, of course, and i,

i should actually ask you about recent trends in the what's happening in the world that was happening and 1227. i'll give you what have you made of scientific literature that says plants application to climate change is a reason for optimism and that the climate modeling was not expecting how quickly plans seem to be able to adapt to the woman climate and also new research and atmospheric heat, do you think some of the modeling will have to change and give us a few more years and me, assuming they applicable applicable optic full costs being made last time as well i, i'm not convinced by that. i mean, that's certainly, you know, uh, plants are growing quicker and absorbing more carbon dioxide. but to how long i can hold onto that carbon dioxide is an issue. and there's other research which suggests that because of the high temperatures, plants are aspiring more and producing more carbon dioxide so that there are

certain serious issues do on that end, particularly, you know, the issue of the absorption of carbon dioxide in the oceans, which is causing the oceans to warm up and you know, we're seeing more so the weather event. so i don't think we're seeing any sort of lessening of the climate change issue. uh, it seems to be getting worse and was experiencing, you know, more severe events. and in fact, just last month, it was the highest average temperature across the globe that has ever been recorded in history. and that's, that was, you know, on an average across the glove, 2 degrees above pre industrial level. so we've already, you know, so no, no, not in history, obviously. yeah, yeah. in human history. yes. you know, in recorded history since, since since reco it's been yeah. i mean,

this is always been a problem from those who doubted that the climate was changing until the ice coordinator wasn't that. because if you just say, gosh, this was the authors here on record in terms of the history of the world. clearly, it doesn't, doesn't actually, it may mean that bunch well, i mean, you know, records do go back quite a long way. so they go back only like the tiny percentage of the, the history of yes, but as far as you know, it's clear that you know, since the industrial revolution, the amount of carbon dioxide has increased napa shifts, and global temperatures have increased quite dramatically. and this is unprecedented. well, obviously worldly. does it west and europe in the united states don't share your pessimism as they see the ever increasing amounts of drilling for fossil fuels and exploitation of resources. and not only that, people who think like you do special rubble to all our reading up interest and give

the longest sentences, what have you made given us, measurable to fully environment and for human rights? what is being happening say in britain to the just a boil, protest is getting incredibly long sentences for their activism. what is going on in western europe as regards people who are as concerned as you are about the environment? yes, it's like the right to the government about this issue uh, expressing my concern about the sentences level that these are climate change prior testers, you know, it affects you know, it, it's, it sets a set of shilling, you know, a response that we're seeing a clamp down on the right to protest. and i was quite concerned about that. in fact, you know, right, the lizard, you know, 2 months ago to the u. k. government, i have not had a response. and this is quite disturbing that uh, you know, the, the right to protest against climate change is being clamped down on people's,

you know, have the right to express concern about the future, particularly young people. you know, because there is a concern about the future of young people and that they should be had the right to protest. right? so as antonio gutierrez spells out issues very clearly that i can about past 3 by these young protest as in west and european capitals, including london in the british government. no one from the british government, which is the next government has replied to you in special rapid here on the environment when you are expressing concerns about freedom of expression. this, this is the concern. busy that this seems to be an issue that the u. k. government is ignoring the is expressions or concern and, and, and it's traveling that people dont have the right to protest and particularly around climate change because it is such

a serious issue. maybe you can call her him here in here and do by, but to do you expect that will actually uh, that ominous sign of uh, clamp downs on freedom of expression. and those protesting for the environment is a sign of the times as these countries are going to be reverse, previous climate commitments. yeah, it's a, it's a wiring trend across the glove that we're seeing and clamped down on on people expressing the right to to protest against inaction on climate change. and it is a wiring trend across the globe and you expect to burgeoning environmental litigation to prevent democratically elected governments from legislating in effect for the environment and protecting the planets. well, i did a review of the current to litigation internet was my report to do in general assembly in october instead of looking at the trends. and i, i think there will be

a growing amount of litigation against corporations from, from across the globe full there in action on the encounter this engagement, sorry, and counter litigation by the same multi $1000000000.00 corporation where this thing, what's called a slab suits, you know, with counter litigation is applied to people who are not protesting against climate change action and taking the litigation. so we're seeing also these calculated litigation issues as well as to what it would can be done given that they clearly have have the year off some parts of the nature nation main stream. so called media when it comes to the environment, they're going to litigate against democratically accountable governments trying to help the climates. i mean, the can something be done to break these global energy companies because it's kind

of what they want to submit. well, you know, i, i think, you know, they just gotta be held accountable and, and what we're seeing is where we're seeing litigation move from, you know, of, you know, cases against governments to cases against corporations. and you know, more recently we're seeing litigation against corporate boards and i think this is with, i'll start to get know this is actually, board members are, you know, brought before thoughts and held accountable for the actions of the companies. and you know, the admissions and harm that they're doing. i mean, you've seen what's happening to whistle blowers and those trying to publish the secret to memos within big us corporations. about the, the strategies of the, these a multi $1000000000.00 outfits trying to prevent comp, $28.00 style changes. i mean, a, it's getting worse, isn't it?

still getting better? you know, uh, yeah it's, it's, it is getting worse. and this is the problem where we're seeing this is a resistance by magic corporations to taking strong action. i mean, that has been moved by the bottom as administration to develop environmental and social governance rules and the european union of bringing those and that by the, you know, potentially positive steps towards making corporations more accountable for their activities. but will this reminds to be saying whether they will promptly report on that what they. busy doing and what impacts to their action. so having you probably get a big mailbag old already but so people can write to you if they feel that human rights are threatened because of that concern with the issues raised to cope 28 in the corporations. they work it anywhere in the world that yes and in fact uh, yeah,

my next report to the human rights council will be around in a corporate accountability. and i put out a call for people to, to ride, to my drive to me, to uh, you know, express, uh, you know, give me evidence of where corporations are affecting their rods. you know, in the context of climate change. i know you made headlines in the philippines about the low against the communists in the, in the philippines on your recent visit. lot of news amidst the golf 28 conference whilst of course gaza focuses the minds of, of this region given is really ministers that these rates just start using nuclear weapons in gaza. do you don't think the environmental threat now most pressing one is the threat of nuclear war? not the threat of c o 2 in me. same or no, i yeah. well, obviously nuclear weapons is a, is a great start and it's been around for

a long time. i think the greatest right is climate change and, and the lack of action of dealing with climate change because it's going to have a long term consequences, you know, ecological. and she gave an impact. so will the poor face all the, all the challenges and the ritual have bunkers to live in and they're yours. and the boy will be told the recycling little bit more and you were in the philippines . i mean, the pool or the philippines will have it even tougher time, while new american for new american bases will be built as a norm, as environmental cost as well. you know, it's not just us prices are being built in our were saying military build ups or across the globe. so they, they, these are issue, you know, global issues. but, you know, particularly the grice in the, you know, use of fossil fuels across the world is, is a serious concern. and we, we have to deal with those issues. some was in the philippines, you know,

there was a serious concerns about the strategic minerals that are being developed for renewable energy technology. so these are like lithium cobalt and all these other, you know, what's called strategic minerals and, and that this is a concern that there are human rights invitations from mining the so called strategic minerals to meet the sort of how need to run your google energy economy and so what we're seeing is a set of competition and on the bottom ministration and collaboration with the take government have sort of set up a strategic materials initiative. and that's in competition with china to access these minerals. so we're seeing a sort of, you know, a gold rush, you know, for the strategic minerals and as a consequence, you know, a poor communities not getting aside and not. and you know, i've spoken with indeed just people's about this whole issue, a free prime phone consent on the land before these mining companies move in and

destroy the lands. aaron central lands, you're in special robin to jump to and for i thank you. i thank you, and that's it for the show golf 28 runs for another 2 weeks here in dubai. we'll be back with a brand new episode on saturday until then keep in touch by role as social media. if it's not sense that in your country and had to our channel going underground tv on rumbled, i'll come to watch new and old episodes of going underground. so you, on past the winter, central foreign policy, genius or one of the greatest mass murderers in history, kissinger might have been bolt and much more. his death was not on timely with his legacy still haunts us. in many ways he initiated some of the worst aspects of

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