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the legacy of comfortable homes of salt lake on the modus operandi. that's up tonight, and we'll be back at the top of the, the, the hello, i'm the miller chan. you're tuned into modus operandi. earlier in 2023 us president joe biden surprised and disappointed. many people around the world when he authorized sending kids pennsic on stock piles of cluster munitions. these munitions has been banned by most of the world, including most u. s allies. yet, nobody took diplomatic measures to block the movie. today will explain what these ordinances are and why the us should join. it's natal partners in the band. all

right, let's get into the m. o. the nearly 20 years ago, a comprehensive treaty was developed to banned the use of cluster munitions. these versatile weapons have a long and ugly history around the world, especially their extensive deployment in laos, cambodia, and vietnam during the c i is secret war. so just what our cluster munitions while they're basically a larger looking bomb that houses hundreds of smaller bonds. these munitions can be fired from the ground by all sorts of artillery systems dropped by aircraft. and the disburse mid air spreading, the so called bomblets or bomb beads indiscriminately. those smaller, many bombs are supposed to explode upon impact,

sending shrapnel in every direction. the idea is to cause maximum carnage against the enemy. but as you'll learn today, that is not the reality of what happens to the bomb these historical records. tell us that us cluster munitions have over a one percent fail rate. they don't explode as intended. so what happens is they remain dormant in the ground for sometimes decades as an louse for an unsuspecting civilian to accidentally step on kick or whatever, maybe a farmer telling their land. most of the civilians, however, are children who think their toys because they look like a tennis ball. a little tennis ball sized or, or you may think a one percent fail rate is actually a good number. but you'd be wrong when you consider the 10s of thousands of the ballots that are actually released since the 2008 convention on cluster munitions.

more than a 100 countries have signed the treaty, including france, germany, the netherlands, the u. k and 20 other nato allies and partners such as japan and australia. but the us, russia and ukraine have not signed on. in fact, for the u. s. d o the policy issued in november of 2017 permits, the use of all the millions of cluster munitions stocks. quote, until sufficient quantities of enhanced and more reliable versions are developed and filled it. and the pentagon policy also pays the way for the us acquisition of cluster munitions from foreign sources to replenish its stock, according to human rights watch. meaning the us has to get rid of its old stockpiles somehow. so they can make way for the acquisition of new munitions.

so to talk more about the ravages of cluster munitions will bring in a guest who has had on the ground 1st hand experience with the sab results of the use of these weapons. a sarah collette della is the ceo of legacies of war and share person for the us campaign to ban landlines and cluster munitions coalition. you can follow her on twitter or x as they calling it these days at sarah lab fell out. thank you so much for joining us, sarah. so there's a lot of talk lately about cluster munitions because of the war and ukraine after the us decided to send kids, some of the pentagons, old stock piles. and i think it's fair to speculate that some of these old stockpiles came from decades ago when the c, i a range these down onto a louse during the sixties and seventies. talk to us about the kind of devastation

cluster munitions cause and is there any impact to these types of arms as they age? meaning could perhaps older munitions have a higher failure rate to designate then say newer ones? yeah, i'm here. i think so much behind me on terrorist i think this issue. so 1st i just want to say that as someone who s version witness my father, dr. suicide, laura work on numerous win victims, chrysler, or u. s. o, and then my accident. i know version the horrors that these guys are indiscriminate, debbie, what is can have on a civilian population. so, you know, was a little bit about the munitions that in question. right. so to by the administration, announce on july 7th that it was transferring munitions, q, u,

i. and those munitions are now being used by the in military and the ones i questions are strong. do you 19 eighties? so these are the m 864 in there, at least 30 years old. and the, you are actually right. you know, was these munitions are sitting in our saw pile? they do age and there's where i share. but i think the, the plan that we should be focusing on is the impact of civilians during and after the cost way. not that way, right. i think the dod ray is just right here and i because we know that the latest march report on the last munition was just released this week and states that these lessons impact 90 percent of civilians. a 60 percent of those civilians are children that are under the age of 18. right. and

like you, i avow heritage, my own family were victims of us cluster munitions, my paternal grandfather and my dad. then 7 year old little brother died as a result of the secret war in the 1960. so for me, this is deeply personal as it probably is for you. but this isn't a problem that is left to history. is it? i mean it's, it's still a persistent problem. it allows today yeah, no 1st, no, thank you for sharing your own personal story. besides. ready deal with that there you see more and more people share this as part of just really draining the history . learn from it as well as you'll find tonight. and to me, this is a 2 day problem. so today allows every single hours also problems and the capital city. again, john has some form of contamination,

right. and these are from bombs or draw exactly 50 years ago. i was just in miles and you know, 2 weeks before i flew out in august, there was a traffic accident that occur insight where we pods. and this involves 3 children, all under the age of 10. so to 10 year old and a father, a little girl, just phone lawyer and i was just laying around and it doesn't need is it you all 3 children, an injured one? no more. any stations dot receive funding from the united states government to try to address this. we're able to just call the expense on the medical expense for the injured and then the funeral and basi by traditional religious down the for the 3 children whose last parish. so that is just in july that that happens. right?

and today, the national regulatory authority, the governing bodies of the year during miles, estimates that at least $20000.00 people. so cavities of these unexplored awareness these 5 decades or still are in need of care. and that, you know, that doesn't tell you that this is a problem today. i don't know what, what the right way we have countless id. my meetings are the myers that are working to clear these orders. but still to this day, less than 10 percent of the area miles has been cleared. and there's still this great need for funding to use these organs to provide language occasion for victims . like the ones that i shared with you inside this, which currently does not have any minus education curriculum or at the mining teen

. um, not to mention the victims of the war like after the war as well as unfortunately, unless we these orders i the future as well. yeah. now it's my understanding and correct me if i'm wrong, but roughly 40 percent of laos is currently completely uninhabitable due to the mass proliferation of us those all over the country. talk to us about those cleaning efforts and allows. yeah. so you know, fortunately, manila is not 40 percent, it is 30 percent. that's the estimation. right? so 130 else i still have contamination and this is, you know, i swore or games on there's at least a 183 different types of ordinance that's delivering the beautiful landscape laws. and you know, as the back in the very how that the guy stage, the meetings lender globally on. imagine the my so since 1993,

the united states invested at least for lifestyle $1000000000.00 for clearance to $400.00 countries. and that includes loss. so due to, you know, legacy the war, our supporters are partners. i would be the 1st this year miles receiving's $25000000.00 for the cars, offered because assistance on my reservation from the united states. and this is a lot of money, but i'll give you just a quick perspective in the us. then $16000000.00 a day in today's dollars to the bottom loss or 9 straight years. so 25000000 in my opinion, is a drop in the box. we need to download or this is my office to be cleared with yours, mine's lifetime. right? yeah, and this is

a problem that we know how to resolve and we have play the myers got them ready to do this quite honest effort, but they need more funding. they need to stay. yeah. id. be able to expand the team, suspect and provide more. hi, glad to children showing that the dangers of these are slow there. right? yeah. and you know, like the last or that i have to kind of has to go to hollins. this is the entire boss. and you know, to give you an idea of how she views d. my work is i visited at d, h, i, or imagine inclusion chain in the northern parts. and this is a part of the funded by the netherlands. so thank you. now the lens and i hope they'll continue to find the h i team doing this work, but the entire loss is very mountainous, right? so there's a lot show. the train is very difficult to access my team and i had to take

a plane to some. yeah, and then take a 3 and a half hour about the car ride to get to the d mining site. and then i flipped out to the area where, you know, when they are doing the clean up job. but it's really just the goal, because in order to clear the land, you have to remove sort of meditation, right? right. so meaning unclear and yet, so you can even get in there. and then maybe you're taking all the necessary precautions yourself as all the days before, just destination. i not required 7 to announce that the villagers coordinate with the people living in the area as well as their livestock to make it safe for clearance. and that nation can happen. so this is, you know, um there's a lot of process and it requires like immense dedication to training as well as

just like the protective that we are to ensure that you might realize our state as well as all the people that live in that area. right. especially to your point about $45000000.00 for this one year. if we look at the broader pentagon budget of $845000000000.00 this past year alone, that is certainly less than a drop in the bucket. i say please sit tight, we're going to come back with you for some more. don't go anywhere, sarah. coming up next, the us off and credits itself with being a champion of human rights. but it's track record would suggest otherwise. we'll discuss it when we return with sarah. pull up the last sit tight. m o will be right back. the the

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desktop session. that's just showing your just is when you bought this brand new settlements in the set up on me and the the welcome back to the m. o i manila chance, we're continuing our conversation about the cluster munitions with our guest. sarah collab, deluxe sarah is uh, the ceo of legacies of war. thank you for staying with us, sarah. so in spring of 2023, you published an op ed in usa today, calling on president bye to not to sent cluster munitions to ukraine, but also for the us to join the 100 plus countries in a multi lateral treaty to banned the use of them. the convention on cluster

munitions entered into force back on august 10th of 2010. so as of now the us has not signed onto the convention. do you think part of that is because the convention calls for member countries to clear contaminated areas within 10 years. and because it requires members to destroy all of its stock within 8 years now, add to that the requirement to provide assistance to victims like a victim's compensation fund. i mean, is that all perhaps too tall in order for the us, especially as it pertains to allows so great question. now i think the best person to answer that would be present by in congress. what i can say now is, you know, as the chair of the u. s. c, l, c, and z, or you can change that landline cost, municipal listen. we are greatly concerned with the possible issues that the united states have transferred to ukraine. and we have consistently, you know,

my polish and colleagues, 9 administration from washington heresy for clarity as well as tend to like stop sending lots of munitions. now the united states have at least 1700000 copies shells was filed in rockets in arsenal. point to human rights watch. definitely pro led to 500000000. so munitions, you know, that's a lot of issues. right. and these are bands my or a $120.00 countries for a reason why there is going to that, right? they cannot tell the difference between or small tile. they don't have any mechanism that will solve the straw. so that means the cheese or countries like louse, claudia, again, now we're talking 5 decades, so we're still cleaning

a dw weapons and she will still be our, our actual line. um, now are you a star mans? i will say that we're leaning towards, you know, doing everything that you mentioned in cost munitions when we require a signature forey. um, you know, the latest insure, 2017. i, there's a mandate that requires congress to not be able to transfer any munition that have a better way of over one percent on the bottom says violated i sending us new nations, which is all governments have said that has a den. i don't wait a to my 35 percent. now this, this is above the one percent. right. but still be we cannot trust these report because any time the use of awesome edition and about feel

always have consistently shown that is different from ways that i use the service for us. right, right. and when you look at what's like the congressional service review reports on the government's phone, on how to report all these nations, the rates are different. i, i'm in the case of the 2022 rational service you were is the manufacturer stated that the, the, the rate is between like to buy sense? but do you mind uh, do you mind experts with these uh, the rate uh between 10 to 30 percent now in the case of or that we have already witness. i like the war miles. oh yeah. yeah. and um, so that nation rate, those daily rate, those dod rates, excuse me. so those that rate are anywhere between 10 to always of 30 percent as we

seen in los. yeah. and you have actually just recently returned state side after a visit to louse this summer. i have seen a lot of new videos on social media recently of developments across laos, like the new high speed rail built by a chinese investment that goes from beyond john, the capital city all the way. uh, north into united province china. there's a large, upscale shopping mall that looks like any mall you'd find in america built by a malaysian investment group. the russians are building out new infrastructure at the being done airport. do you think this speaks to one like the spirit of the allow people to move past its designation as the most heavily bombed country on the planet. but as a double edge sword, do you fear that seeing so many new positive developments there, that people might forget the ravages of cluster munitions that still linger

especially all over the countryside? yeah, um, you know, your feel like there's a lot of new development in laos and national geographic. it just actually does a lot of the top for nation for twine, twine 3 lighthouse, you know, i don't want you are not there to the god just because last is deals help me by history that there is, and it's a few a right. there's so many beautiful places for torres. what, who, you know, in my home town i saw the clear chart and nor have already been cleared and a safe but 4 is loss is gary now to chair. did that twice me or i'll see on it to be the chair of boss unit twice before. so there's a lot of people that will be miles and miles is holding for investments. it will pay for the partnership with the rest of the world. so i'm very proud of that and

i'm proud of you. all right, all right, hiding just because regardless of the task the people allow deserves to move forward and the people well deserved to see my time view as it's more progress neighbors. but to answer your question, the are number one priority. manila is actually the issue, meaning to remove the munition to make it said was people and the elements of this beautiful country are they actually adopted in addition to the 17 sustainable development goals that hundreds of countries of adopting all the world. you know, prioritizing lake power the equity generate quality loss added a s p g 18. so that's last 354 or so you know, in a, just

a search you on the united states funding class offers other countries like the u. k. norway, a turkey funding class offers in laos de la p. r. also investors own money and resources to do this work as well. yeah. let's, let's hope that all the shiny new shopping malls, people don't forget that this is still happening. like you said, every day people are still dying of this and allows so last question here. you've spoken to the survivors, many of them from the secret war survivors of the cluster, munitions, you x those bomb, is there a lot of names for this stuff, right? what is your take away from their stories if you had to summarize them all, what is it that you want the international viewers watching this to think about this overall conversation? yeah, um, you know, i think it's so i, this is a problem and it has a solution. we know that in the words you save more lives and make the last one

usable, is to remove and destroy these women's rights and more funding needs to be a power priority. meaning, you know, like, let's make sure that your words are happening all the world. you're in china, nations happening. it's not just, you know, the latest report shows that you mar, there's also as new rejuvenation, syria, as new damnation, right. this is a little problem with at least 30 countries impacted by these definitely is governance positive emissions. so we know that there's a solution, we just need to really power eyes, the heart of funding that is consistently being allocated to support countries like while they're trying to move forward from this. and i hope that in addition to, you know, the findings of what from the united states, other countries also do not forget about literacy. one is in places like log claudia. yeah, i guess and you know, the list is going on and you know,

just really the media needs all to pay attention to this. and she does not have because while what miles has already lived in over 50 years, people are still being named and injured today. you know, and i think that was changed now. was it is the more dollars will be invested in this? yeah, absolutely, that is the hope a appreciate your time and the work that you and your group do. circle up the lot is the ceo of legacies of war and chair, person for the us campaign, the band land mines and cluster munitions coalition. you can follow her on twitter if you still call it that, like me. and sarah laughed all out. thank you so much for your time, sarah, based. all right, that is going to do it for this episode. i've noticed operandi the show that digs deep into foreign policy and current affairs. i'm your host manila. chad. thank you so much for tuning in. we'll see you again next time to figure out the m. o,

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