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an utter failure. continued mass, what student support is in doubt. zalinski is popularity is on the decline. and the military essentially has few ideas. how to proceed to is running out of options. the cross option ukraine. i'm joined by my guess. gimmickry lots caught us in montreal . he's a lawyer and a freelance journalist. also in montreal, we have michelle say more. he is a honorary professor of philosophy at the university of montreal and in paris we cross the vitamin goldstein. he is the chairman of the department of slavic studies at brown university. our gentleman cross stock rolls and the fact that means you can jump any time you want. and i always appreciate, let's go to a lot of me are in paris 1st. i'm titling this program, we seem collapse question mark here. we have a number of articles coming out in the mainstream media talking about the

popularity of zones, given the lack there of how there is he's having a pitched battle with his military and particularly with general allusion and, and also the, the ever most important elements and all of this is western aid, which will some of it will definitely come through, but not nearly as much as they and they were all hoping. so just how unstable is the regime because of the money go? it's been, it's, it's, you know, it turn off the lights, it's over. vladimir, a well boss. it is unstable because it is basically, it was arriving upper america on west themselves. but what say is absolutely uh, and is that the narrative is store to be destroyed. it was like a very convenient narrative bed, a rush out of the garage, the garage to do more, glad you get great and. busy keels a, a young, green shoots of democracy,

new grain a well we see it's not it's, it's not democracy. it's allowed me to kind of, i mean it's a, it's a con sewage kid just may or may, in uh, after the age of 60 and send that sends them to butcher e. uh if they're not quite ready for that. the only thing that they were ready is to get a major whitman's ends ending in the front, the front. it's even this one is stopping. so we see the vehicles that have collapsed all the narrative. that zalinski is a great leader who is going on with their rates and not just the grain, but with lead to the great russia from it's for the garage and, and so on, so forth. so it gets much japanese say, and i think what is fussing is about the whole thing since the landscape was so much invested with this narrative of a, the dangers of the narrow give the danger to the country. it just means that he's

in the, in the page and that's why we have all the contenders and all of the new i was told and it just, uh, i mean, yeah, i mean, it seems like the, the west was looking for a new sarah. good, because of meeting time magazine, the economist, i mean, you can't get any more mainstream than that. and words like delusional is coming up . and it, and it, and that a centrally paints, a picture of that zalinski is fighting a 2 front war against russia and his own generals. go ahead, michelle. yeah, well, uh, i believe that, uh, well i, i have read the seymour hersh has paper. oh, okay. i want to, i want to get to that, we'll go ahead, i was gonna mention, have go ahead, jump right in and talk about it. go ahead. well, i read the simple hersh, his paper in which he says that there are and you go, she ations taking place between valerie and judge above and brother. he is listening a new crime concerning a peace deal that might be

a range between those 2. i'm convinced that there are such negotiations because uh, despite, uh, i think that the americans are desperate in finding a solution their way out of this conflict. but to exactly, for that reason, i'm not convinced that the americans are out of the picture. they are involved. i believe the best scenario for the americans would. i've been to continue the war beyond the a presidential elections. so with the home that way, maybe uh the trainers would be winning. but now that we know that they are losing, it's going just to be terrible for biden's re election. so there must be a plan b. and i believe that that plan b is forcing negotiation for a peace deal right now. and this, the i, the position of the americans will be,

well, that was a, an extraction or non provo, to aggression. we help to ukraine, and now they, i've decided all by themselves to reach a peace deal with the russians. and we respect that, that would be this plan b a data, hopefully in the mind the biden will help him. when do we know that the election? yeah, well i, i, it's dreadful to think what is in the mind of joe biden, but that's a topic for another program. dimitry i said, so you know, michelle already brought up to see more hers piece, which i wanted to delve into, but we're already into it. so i, it's of an interesting piece. i, i don't buy it. i think it's more of a trial balloon than anything else. to see what the reactions would be, because the rest of the military does not. it's not a free agent. okay. and i'm not really sure what that has to say about the planning

and military. so i would like to point out the solution is very much respected in russia that adds to this trial bloom kind of a narrative here. but you know, the whole point is that kim is running out of options here. i don't think the americans are really a band and ukraine. i just, i think they'll just keep it on life, support it before the election, dimitri as well, they certainly don't want to see a full scale collapse because that would be a narrative that would be beyond the control of even the vitamins and distribution in the corporate medium united states, that would, i think, revealed to the entire world at this. and this project was ill conceived from the, from the outset. and that there is no way to deny that this has resulted in a strategic defeat for nato and for the vitamin ministration. so yes, i do agree that they're likely to keep it on life support. but the last several months of seeing a, not necessarily the lowest levels of support coming from the united states. but certainly relative to levels of support during the so called defensive, very,

very low. there's a, a statement coming out of the white house warning. i believe it's coming from the congressional budget office that they're almost out of money. 97 percent of the funds have been spent. the new speaker of the house, who apparently has history of voting against aid for ukraine or increased amounts of aid for ukraine, doesn't seem to be in any hurry to come up with more funds for this proxy. more so the situation is looking rather grim. i think that the, the, the most faithful sign for zelinski himself is that there's literally a beauty pageant going on for the uh, the, the, the successor, consult zalinski at the moment. you have a lexi or at a storage. yep. cuz you know, to becoming increasingly assertive in his criticisms of the ways lensky is handled it. valerie clips go the mirror, keith, i just gave an interview in which he effectively cited with the illusion. these illusion is a, is now openly stating that this war effort was, is a stalemate,

which is a, i think sphere say a euphemism. in fact, uh, the ukrainian military is on the verge of collapse, as far as many of us can tell. so it seems to me that the lensky is besieged on all sides, and that the greater threat to his survival at this moment is not russia but his internal enemies. yeah. well, a lot of me it's very interesting is it is uh, i think the last time we spoke, which was a while ago that we mentioned that eventually they'll be the blame game. who's to blame? okay, was it, you know, the ukrainians, not following advice from nato nato supporting the wrong person? i mean, it is, this essentially tells us a bit as it were in the, in game i, the end game can last a while, but we are there, vladimir, that's, that's, that's the rule. and that's why. busy your image are a trial ball, the one the is a very correct one. everybody now is thinking and looking for exit strategy. everybody wants to cover the backside. we have united stage with the directions.

and that being on august the democrats out in the because they can that is it all good money after bad money? no. and does republicans will capitalize on that? they cannot stop. just support you need. uh, without does not say anything happening. so they are probably thinking of something kind of i'm starting to do and since uh, a zalinski is connected with web on a waiting list, succeeding he, some of the usually the fall for him. i, things i usually is impossible is starting to do. because besides the united states and nato parisha, what leaders in key of care abreast of the, from that nationally violent sides remeasured is centered around the west of the brain, right? and the, even the numbers, they are not the be in terms of the violence. and i search and they can do it. so i think people, i got a storage, they might have bills, intellectuals in the game, key of but these guys, you know, up to off. so the only person to whom,

who somehow inconvenienced them did we can make do with their as a some top general. so in that sense, i believe that is a lose that might be the bladder. me already. so gotten mixed and goes to china. type thing, is that what you're saying? that yes, no, i might be able to just go back to michelle in montreal. it's, it's very interesting because it gets if you have a change of a president and ukraine, then you can rationalize that, you know, he was the wrong guy. he was good at war, but not ending it. he couldn't win it. and that kind of ships the narrative to the advantage of the west. well, we did all we could, michelle. yeah. well, um grab some, uh, uh, to uh, fast in my conclusion. but uh, it seems to me that the problem uh, with uh, the american mission and ministration is that, uh, is revealed by the implication. uh you, us a support for israel that this month at this time they have a hand corner,

you rent approach. and i think that the, they, the biggest mistake made by the americans was to interpret russian restraint as a weakness. uh uh, before 2014 rush, i simply repeated, it's a position tomato expansion. after 2014, they were favorable to the main script cards before the war in december, 2021. they wanted to negotiate on the basis of the treat t, concerning european security. immediately after the beginning of this special military author opperation in april 2022, they were just about to arrive to a piece deal with the ukraine. as i teach moment in time in the escalation of the conflict. but things were interpreted by the west as

a weakness on the part of russia, and that was their biggest mistake. and i think these kind of things will be revealed in the box. i have to jump in here. we're gonna have to go to a hard break that a little after that hard break. we'll continue our discussion on. you can stay with our team the, to take a fresh look around as a life kaleidoscopic. isn't just a shifted reality distortion by power to division with no real live indians fixtures design to simplify. it will confuse who really wants a better wills and is it just as a chosen for you?

fractured images presented to this, but can you see through their illusions, going underground can oh, what i want sure. just don't you have to ship out that kind of thing. and engagement equals the trail. when so many find themselves will depart, we choose to look for common ground, the the welcome back across stock were all things are considered computer level to mind you were discussing, you crate the

. okay, it's good. it's good to dimitry it in montreal at the very end of the, of our, our discussion before we went to the break. and we, michelle was talking about miss miss construing the so called russian weakness. i think it's a fascinating point and i think it really hits the mark because there's been a fund to mentally and this understanding of brush all through this. okay. every step of the way. um, old stereotypes um a south of south um, what would they reveal their self delusions about russia. but you know, all of this discussion of, we know what, you know, going back to the hearse. the issue is that, you know, russia will accept this for this. and you know, they're always drawing the board and assuming with russia wants and what it will accept. and again, they're making that fundamental mistake. russia will decide what it wants when it wants, and it has nothing to do with the, the, what the conversations going on an in the economist or time magazine, dimitri,

yeah, but one thing i want to say about the seymour hersh, i, by the way, i completely agree that there was a complete misinterpretation of russia. there has been there's, this is a profound problem within the foreign policy elite of the united states. and the west generally is that they just don't understand the non western world. they barely understand the they're over the world level in the northern western little this problem extends throughout the west in the foreign policy to lead. it extends to not only rush, it extends to china, other parts of the non western world. and we've seen this in dramatic fashion now, but they also have over estimate of the capacity of the west, spill the economic capacity of the west to impose its will upon countries like russia, which has a much larger economy than we are told on a purchasing power parity basis, for example, it has a, it now has a, an economy larger than the size of germany's on a nominal g d p. p basis, which is basically a meaningless, manipulative figure. it has

a much smaller economy in this type of misconception of the right. the economy, economic strength of the united states is very emblematic of the foreign policy ignorance in the, in the, in the west. but i want to say one thing about the seymour hersh piece, which i found rather fascinating. the suggestion that the russian government would accept a needle membership, what remains of ukraine on condition that the west not put that nato and not station forces or offensive military weapons on ukrainian territory. initially i thought that this was preposterous because it's now been admitted by the west. and it was clear from the outset to those of us who have any objectivity, that nato was a core issue for the russian government. right. but it occurred to me that this is actually more plausible than might seem on its face. because i think the russian government may understand that the united states would have no interest whatsoever in natal membership or ukraine if it was deprived of the ability to place its forces and its offensive military weapons on russian soil. that was the whole point

of needle membership for ukraine, who was never about protecting ukraine with an article 5 guarantees under the needle treaty. if it can't put their forces there and threatened russia and contain russia, then why would the united states want to take on the burden of potentially having to come to ukraine's defense in the event of a flare up and military hostilities between russia and ukraine? the whole point was to threaten russia. so i think that this actually, if it's true that this is on the table needle membership without the ability to put nato forces on ukrainian soil. i think it may be a clever play by the russian government, because i don't think the bi demonstration would accept that at the end of the day, and you'd end up with a, you know, the nato at all. yeah. but vladimir, 80, any, any part of ukraine in nato, and assuming that net hershey is reporting is correct. well, it would come under article 5. and what would stop a local elite and ukraine from starting a conflict with russia, which would pull in the rest of nato? i, i, i don't me, i don't understand that. that's

a trip wire. that russia would never accept in nato foolish. we should not accept because when everything is said and done, the russians in the ukrainians are not going to sit down and shake hands. maybe for generations. vladimir, well, it has to be c evans. it has to be calculated to be seen about what emerges from all our discussions included would meet the in, michelle said, is that very serious uh right. sequins, as opposed miscalculations on the bottom to the west. these and they. busy originally, rush of these all or russian capabilities, beach state department of who consistently makes mistakes a the economic, the meanest a, they views, international collapse on the sanctions. even this happened. they views it as, as one or the human habits. michelle mentioned is, you know, i use it as a days and i just recently read out of j sullivan was saying. busy i am going to

leave and he's like, if you have a clean the man that anything to change? absolutely. oh, that is not a big deal in the guys and nothing was happening. so they basically don't know maintenance things. they are political appointees. they appointed for various reasons, but not for the reasons of the expertise and then knowledge. i go to slide the confidence as i see people, my former students, they have friends who work and say, department, and they try to tell me i go to the rest of the frequent the see what's going on? are they telling me russia is collapsing? there is no trains of the bills that isn't that, you know, i said, what are you talking about, you know, i, you know, somebody of course teaching, you know, no, no, whatever data, what kind of data they get, what it is. but this is, these isn't that there's a talk, people sitting in the top offices on the 7th floor or, or they sit there and state department whether it's, you know, a new orleans and others, as i say, do they have political appointees in the closet with leaks they will have to find the way to it just it was on hold protected democratic party and it's

a connection with a c, a, a with state department. and she is of mistakes, state mistaken circulars which, where they are a much, much better bladder mirror image light of may. all, all of this can be easily explained. it's just a good grip. it's a good grip every it, it, any tracks money. you know, they allocate money for all these types of thing here that, that, that is the purpose of it. it's a, it's a money laundering operation from what i can say. so when, when the money dries up, i mean, everyone's got us in the ukraine and they're going to start say, well, who took all of the money, then they're going to have their own problems among themselves. here. um, michelle, one of the interesting things is i think people tend to forget is that russia had proposals to avoid this conflict in december right before the february of and i see no reason why they're not going to go back to them. ok. after everything has been said and done, we've already given you

a proposal. let's sit down and talk about it. you stopped at it, but it's still meaningful the us. and when you think about it, it is a to germane articles. go ahead, michelle. yeah, well it could be losing face for uh, the americans, and in a way they stood there is anything serious said the proposal to recognize the ukraine as part of nato is, would be a symbol, a simply a symbolic gesture. it's a dog that only would not bite, but that would not even bark. uh, so maybe they are leaving them ways to uh, so that they don't lose face. uh, but uh more generally again, i really, i want to emphasize that the situation is it, israel and palestine at this moment is quite revealing all the demonstration, all over the world. i really revealing to the public that the americans are involved everywhere, indiana,

and the china seat in palestine. they are in the rock. they are in syria and then also a new crane. and every i, all they're involved with can you claim which was perceived here in north america in the west, in general. i something very noble is a crumbling right now. we're realizing that what the us are doing all over the world is not to, to do, to come to the rescue to widows and orphans as to where it's instead that wherever they pass, they are leaving be, i'm more our friends and widow would, you know. so i did, there is a, a, a piece, the core seller, which i know wellness of the population right now that the us are involved in, to criminal uh, with gestures all over the world. yeah. big michelle, you know,

you're absolutely right. we can over the last few administrations getting a point 214 in policy success. just one. yeah. just one. yeah. you can, you can. it's really interesting because all of us have been remembering the legacy of henry kissinger. what foreign policy success has been since henry kissinger not that i'm saying he had a lot of successes where they meet for you. let me go to you. we've seen the, the, the passion come out on the streets all over the world because of the, what's going on and gaza and, and, but we were there is a big debate about funding it. that's in that is a, the money we'll get to is all, i have no worries about that for them. it shouldn't be, it should be leverage to stop the killing. but dimitri, where all the protests around the world, and want demanding the funding of the war and ukraine, you know, of any, i don't know, one where people are protesting saying more money for ukraine. my point is, dimitri, this has always been a lead to agenda. this is an elite project,

dimitri absolutely. i believe the entire narrative uh has evaporated. from that, i mean, for 18 months, 18 months, there was obsessive discussion in the foreign policy elite and the government, the governmental level, at the level of the plan to talk or seeing the west. you know, the people who are normally relied upon as being foreign policy experts that saving ukraine, the so called democracy of ukraine, was the highest priority and had to take precedence over everything else. if i had a dollar for every time, just intruded with the canadian prime minister said as long as it takes in respect of ukraine, i'd be richard and bill gates. and all of a sudden the discussion has evaporated. there's no talk whatsoever, almost no mention whatsoever. oh, well, what demetrius, since i have you here? i mean it is we is a part and parcel of the nazi problem in canada is a part of it as well. i mean, i, i always look for the opportunity, say, nazi occupied candidate, because i liked the way it rolls off my tongue. go ahead,

dmitri, i guess the, you know, the double a standing ovation for a board member of the watson s as and the canadian parliament has to stand as one of the most disgraceful moments through. and in a way, from a political perspective, it's tragic, of course, what's happening in israel palestine, but from a political perspective and save the canadian government because the conversation shifted almost immediately to what's happening there. but that was really, it wasn't simply symbolic. it is, uh, it was the latest scandal in a long line of canadian government support for far, right. the elements within canadian side society and, and ukraine and elsewhere, frankly. and now all of this is being buried under the rug. and what we're talking about is israel and palestine because nobody wants to come to terms in the western political lead with the disaster they have created and ukraine. and for all i, i, we're, we're out of time gentlemen. but all i can say is the canadian people deserve so

much better than they have from this man. ok. i always take an opportunity to take a swipe, intrude though, if i have a gentleman that's all the time we have a want to thank my guessing, montreal, and in paris. and of course, i want to thank our viewers for watching us here at r t c. you next time, remember most of the the,

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