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the let's get into it. today. we have the good, the bad, and the downright ugly side of electric vehicles. and to discuss today we have our guest host leak, a dual radio host and political strategist. well happy to join you for sure. you know, on a, on a special day i get to actually sit beside you. so thank you so much for having and i'm looking forward to the discussion. absolutely, we're really excited. so 1st up and then i have the good. and there is a lot of good to be said about tvs there. eco friendly and with gas and literally $6.00 a gallon. they're really wallet friendly as well. but is there anything else good about ease aside from that? well, it's, it's, you know, on the radio show and we were talking about the have a lot of people come on. i think the, the, the, the initial claim that evolves that many people are making that for one, especially the administration, whether it's said under the joe biden administration,

or whether it's in california or otherwise. there is this assumption that everyone loves this. well, not exactly, and it depends on exactly where you are. i think that there is a benefits, you know, we've moved beyond just the hybrid vehicles. we're now into the, the territory. and i think we're seeing now with the difficulty, even with the infrastructure. that whether it's here in washington dc because we had an issue trying to get those e b stations actually even billed. but the cost of even building bills. i was not aware of the cost of actually building even single the v station is the costs are just astronomical, and i don't think that people are factoring that into their support for eaves. although i do support the vehicles for sure. but the cost factor is a big issue nowadays. absolutely. and that really is the bad people aren't thinking about those costs. and for me, i live in california and we all know that it is pretty much dominated the california market that. but the fact the thing is that they literally just put up

a supercharger, a couple blocks away from where i live. and ever since that supercharger went into effect in march, we just had rolling blackouts all summer long. and it's basically like living in africa. so it's crazy, we've never had that before. what is it? so is it that and you know, my experience is not as i'm sure and not as great as yours, but what is it is the issue that it just pulls so much energy from the grid. like how is it like you're having rolling blackouts? how to? because i'm assuming they weren't in the case, it wasn't the case before they installed the station or facility or what have you. is it that it pulls so much off the energy grid? is that why we're going to pull so much optic energy grid and the grid base? and it wasn't designed to put that much energy out in the 1st place. so that we didn't have the capacity of like you said, that's an infrastructure problem. and that's a long term problem that we're gonna have to solve if we want to push this e v adoption narrative. and that's really going to be a big challenge because right now we're dealing with blackouts all summer. i'm

probably in the winter if people start using a heating though, like if it's going to be a cold winter and everybody starts using heating and all, and then we're going to have the exact same problem this summer and got so bad that the governor of california they actually encourage people to not charge their electric vehicles overnight and it's like, how does that make sense? we want people to use an electric vehicle, but now they can't get to work. yeah. and, and it, and that is the thing that is, you know, in, i'm. busy for a new technology, i believe, i don't think we should be living in the dark ages when it comes to technology. but we have to be at a point where we're willing to have the type of conversations to understand that maybe we're not there just yeah. and it's one thing to have this ideal within 10 years, this is what we're expecting to happy to. you may have known driving cars on the road, you know it's x number of non driving cars on the road within a 10 year span of what have you. but you have to have the mechanisms in place. you have to have the infrastructure in place to support that and we're saying that's not the case if you're somewhere in for instance, montana. well,

how does that work in montana because it gets very cold in montana. i believe it was just recently snowing on just last month in montana. how does that work? if we're going to have this large p v footprint, where what if, if i'm assuming, as you say, they don't necessarily perform well in colder weather? how does that work in areas that naturally don't have just the natural infrastructure to support it. this has aside from a place like a california or other places like that, who may be all these type of in, you know, systems. but for those who don't have it, what does it mean for them and the market, which is why they don't do well in places that aren't like a california or florida or other places like that. exactly. and the big question is, who's actually going to go out and build all of these infrastructures? because right now, like we were talking about, it's literally just mainly tesla, who's building out the tardy stations. and the super targeting stations. there's very few other companies going out and doing this. do you see that?

let me ask you then because of the point right there, the fact that it's really just tesla, monopolizing this. how does it work with getting other companies even issue? because i'm imagining it's a cost issue for those companies as well, easier maybe for testing it, because tesla has, you know, where it is to try to do the non driving cars or even of the hybrid vehicles. it was one of the 1st ones to actually roll out that type of system as far as the car is concerned. but then how do other companies get into that market if they don't have the same sort of, i guess historical background as far as those of e vehicles or this event technology, like how do well the car is get on board and i guess best buy exactly exactly, and that's going to be the big question. a lot of that, even though they say a lot of their technology is open source, they're saying that a lot of the superchargers, they're not going to be fully compatible with the other vehicles. the other areas that are coming out because it's got that is going to be

a different chart. so apparently their battery is bad to use a supercharger on other brands because their batteries are not just compatible with the way the superchargers mark. and that's going to decrease the lifespan of other brands. batteries. yeah. and again, i that point and because i was reading, i think it is that the batteries there, but they're much heavier than your standard v. like your standard automated automatic vehicles that they're much heavier and that the cost of even replacing the battery. i believe. i think that the cost of even replacing the battery is very expensive. now i would love to be in a day where we could, you know, i would feel comfortable driving the vehicle from one spot to the other. but i don't know if we're there yet and i wouldn't necessarily trust in e. v ever going to take a road trip using an e b, because i may not have a charging station between here. if i'm going to florida between here in florida, i may not have access to the charging stations. yeah. yeah. but then aside from the infrastructure problems, i do think there is some good the ease, and

a lot of people are buying ease because it seems to be a lot cheaper than your traditional vehicles. and it's much easier to fill up at a gas station. so right now we're pay over a $100.00 to fill up regular metro diesel at a gas station. and that doesn't even last the whole week for me. and the other thing is that the towards the torque is actually pretty neat on the easiest. that's a really exciting thing, really. if you don't have a launch on a regular car, there's no such thing as a launch. so for people who've never experience and 80 are driving in and it really the torque is actually a really neat thing. the launch pad is a really, really cool feature, and it's like an exciting little thing to get people like onboard. so it's a very neat experience. but aside from those like new experiences and the fact that it's cheaper, i don't know what else is good about a these are what is driving this easy adoption? well, on the call, even on the cost issue, i wasn't aware that until i was doing the research, i'm planning for the show that in some instances it actually is cheaper to get into

a vehicle than your standard vehicle. that is a benefit to that. but if you find someone, for instance who, you know, may have a job, they may live in a, you know, in a lot of people in this area they commute in, you know, from whether it's west virginia. there are people i know who i worked with and when i was in government they drove all the way from west virginia. it may not be necessarily practical for you. so i do think as much as people express all of the challenges with e v. i still think that we should be supportive of that type of technology because at the end of the day, the technology is not changing. we can do things to benefit, to, you know, to basically work around the edges to make sure that it works for a larger group of people. but i don't think, you know, even though i hear people now uh my tv, you know, is just gonna fall or no, i don't think we should even encourage this notion that somehow, you know, it should be the end of the vehicles. i think that that type of stuff is important, but i just think that there needs to be additional, some more research and some more honesty on whether or not we're ready for it at

this point. and we shouldn't have governments, which is what we're saying. even state government, pushing easy vehicles when we're not just there yet. i think we need to have more honest assessments about where we are and not just on the infrastructure side, we need to have more assessment of where we are in from what i'm saying. we're not there yet. maybe 10 years from now. absolutely not. yeah. i like those me to be honest assessment because right now the entire industry is being subsidized. mm hm . so what's gonna happen to the industry when suddenly pull the subsidies away and they have to subsist naturally on their own? yeah, that's a very fair point because if you don't, those subsidies usually are provided by the government. and when you don't have those subsidies, we've seen similar things where they're within the solar industry where, you know, if there was a lot of rebate options, that if you need it, you know, solar panels and those things are good as well. solar energy, solar energy is great, but a lot of times what we see is that governments begin to push, you know, private corporate agents and then that kind of follows down to the consumer. but

all of these things need to be considered as we talk about our role in the future of what the future looks like. so i think that they are here. so there are, as you said, there are some good elements for sure with the vehicles. but i think i would probably go with the hybrid vehicle 1st before i would just go with the full on the vehicle. i'm not there yet just in my head, but maybe i need to go to california to drive in the vehicle. and my mind may indeed change. all right, fair fine. thank you so much on the lake, but stick around with us. and when we come back, we're going to be joining bar x for guest loren, fixed the car coach to discuss the future of electric vehicles. stick around because you're not going to want to miss this the,

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but how to countries and communities plan to implement the infrastructure that will allow for majority ownership of electric vehicles. if that is the state of goal. so for this we are joined by lauren fixed the car coast. thank you so much for being here with us. well, thank you for having me. yeah, there's a lot of questions i'd like to answer about electric vehicles that i think it's very easy to listen to the mainstream media and people think all this is great. everybody's buying electric vehicles. but there's a lot more to that. and the truth is, the numbers are far from what you think. absolutely, but 1st, let's just talk a little bit about e, v. manufacturers who have been caught tweaking their mileage gauges to make their cars seem like they're going further on a single charge than they actually are. and at the center of this is none other than a lot of musk as a research firm has found that tesla develops software so that their cars show a false range. when the battery in their cars is about 50 percent charge. but under 50 percent, that data becomes more real. so to the user,

it looks like once you've dropped a 50 percent, it empties out a lot faster. so give us a scoop there. what do you imagine that with a gas tank, you go and fill it up and you're driving along and or going to have tank and then suddenly oh you don't have a half quarter take i think is a panic involved. i think that would be true with any electric or gasoline powered vehicle with gasoline powered vehicles, it's based on what fuel left in the tank with electricity. it's based on a lot of other factors taken by distance. you've got the climate. do you have the heat on the of the radio on, are you charging your phone anytime or using any of those additional accessories? it's going to put more of a draw of course temperature. also, it was a huge factor. it's really warm outside or if it's really cold, outside both extremes, reduce the batteries life by about a 3rd. and that's important to note whether you're living in montana like you're talking about or with your, you know, living in arizona. and these are factors. i think that again, aren't considered manufacturers put their numbers together. they are approved by the a,

an absolutely an accurate and now the pays turning on this manufacturer thing or use and we would get 400 miles out of this car. we're getting $275.00 and it's really off by almost 15 percent. and this is from a study from the society of automotive engineers, s i e, which i happened to be a member of. and this is really important because if you did that with a car and you said, oh your car, it's 52 miles per gallon and you're getting 30, you'd be pretty upset. so you have to keep that in mind. this has to be addressed and they use these numbers called m p g. so when you look at the window sticker, you go, oh wow, 95 n p g or a 101. that's not really a fair value for you to assess it, but it should be based on mileage driven and then all those other factors. where do you live? where are you going? are you island waiting? are you running centuries? all that's going to be huge factor. so it's very difficult to get the, the true numbers on range. absolutely. when i was looking at it, they even told me that if i roll the windows down because then it creates a drag. i get less mileage and i was like, are you kidding me?

like if i roll the windows down, i'm not even using any electrical electrical components, and it's such a simple little thing, but it's crazy. no wonder range, anxiety exists because it's a real thing. and basically must create all this range exciting people because then you actually can't rely on the number the sticker that you see at the dealership or even your own dashboard. because you never know if you're going to make it to your destination. if your battery is under 50 percent, so now what is the true range of eaves these days with a technology now as well? the top range is by loose. it is just under 500 miles. have reviewed and tested all those cars. i will tell you that it's, it's far now from arranging that it's become charging anxiety and you said you lived in california. i live in new york and you can go places and there are no pass chargers and you don't know when you get there. if somebody is charged there or that charging station doesn't work, whether it be possible or any other brand, and there are a lot of other brand, you've got a charge america, which is partly owned by volkswagen. that was part of a diesel gate thing,

which i find them using to the penalty for diesel gate was to invest in electric charging company, which they make money. so again, there's a lot of, there's a blink, there's a bunch of other companies out there. but as far as fast chargers tussles, fast charges can work on other vehicles by the way, but you don't get the fast charge. you get level 2 charging. so there's really, if it's the same as any other charger, fast charges are out there and many of them don't work. so people have gotten into this. charging anxiety, i get there, i'm in a rush. i can somebody's in the charging station. and jennifer granholm, who's in charge of the department of transportation energy here in the us. she tried to do a trip to prove that it was the work that you can use these past chargers and she thought of the be a p r nightmare as did booted judge. and a couple of the people that of tried doing quitting jim farley, the president of board using the got to the charging stations either they didn't work there. were somebody already parked there? or they had to get someone to go ahead of them to park there with another definitely howard vehicle to save the spot which caused a political nightmare for them because someone had

a baby on board and they were out of charge. and obviously that's going to be more important than their political games. so it's really important to note, i also should have tended to important to note that in california, the highest percentage of electric vehicles is only 18 percent on the road. that's it. so while you're getting the numbers, they all everyone's buying electric vehicle, that's not true. it's still only about 4 percent of the marketplace globally. it's more another, some countries versus others. i work on a one car, the or jury. we judge the best cars in the world and in countries it absolutely does not work. india jordan pack a stay in the middle east. there's no place to charge. so when everyone thinks electric vehicles are the only answer on a global basis, it doesn't even work in canada unless you live in toronto. but if you live in the northern territories or nova scotia, you're on luck. yeah, absolutely. what i pay are nightmare. that sounds and even like a personal embarrassment as well. so now, yeah, is there any other hitting costs that we should be aware of when it comes to ease and are they even offset by the cheaper electricity costs compared to gas these

days? well the story is they do cost less, as you said, the top of the show, but the truth is they don't. and here's why. first the costs of the vehicle on average right now, and the prices are gonna go up because of the u. a w straight, the average price of an electric vehicle is $66000.00. yes, you can buy them left. them don't offer the tax credit any longer. they have to be built in the us and the battery material in the us and is 2024. it's going to be a higher percentage. so more vehicles fall off the left. so tough but we will be on the left. and so he's the only winner in there. besides the average cost currently at $66000.00 gasoline power card, $52000.00, you've got higher insurance rates are much higher because of the replacement costs on that. you've got higher registration fees. dates are starting to charge for electric vehicles because you're using the roads, but you're not paying the taxes that you'd pay when you pump gas. so they're starting to charge even toxic, this charging $200.00 a year. and that could add up pretty quickly, that might be more than you would use in fuel. also, the, the electricity can be hard to find as we talked about,

charging times and costs can be high. i've seen it as low as $14.00 in california. and i've seen it as high as a $100.00. so at that point, there's is gas or electric electricity expense. and when you charge, there's a lot of factors involved and nothing like this free is you said it's gonna cost you $1.00 way or the other who's paying for the charging stations that the towns are putting in your, in your taxes. so you're paying for it twice. also the method of maintenance free is far from true. the tires were out quicker and the reason they do is the vehicles are heavier. and this is also true with hybrid vehicles. every 10000 miles, you're going to need new tires and brake in although no one wants to talk about it . i'm on the tire industry safety council. i'm on the global brake symposium and i will tell you, we are well aware of it. consumers have no clue that when you start to replace tires, they're no longer a $100.00 p. these are low, rolling resistant tires design for the heavier load of these heavier vehicles. and you're gonna be dropping close to a $1000.00 every time the tires, every 10000 miles, that adds up. and then of course expensive battery replacement,

i talked about. the prices are as low as $8000.00 and go all the way up to $5060000.00 for what you're looking at. then you're also responsible for the disposal of that as you are with tires and you'll be paying that fee now. so manufactures are including 10 year 100000 mile battery warranties, which is nice. but if you buy the car use down the road, you still don't know if someone charged all the time if it wasn't charges, just like maintenance on any vehicle, there's a lot of factors involved and people really need to think about. does this make sense? and that's why leasing these electric cars is probably your best choice. absolutely, and that was an excellent point about the tires. i totally didn't know that i'm like, i drive definitely more than 10000 miles every single year. so that is good to know . and now remember when everyone says that electric vehicles where the car, the future by 2020 and that's everybody we drive it one. well now that obviously hadn't happened, but there are a lot more. he's on the road these days. he eventually thinks that will come to a nice, happy mix where there will be like a certain percentage of eaves and those like stabilize in

a certain percentage of petro power cars as well. right now, we have reached the tipping point. and the tipping point is that what you think it is, uh, those people that were early adopters who one and one, they got one, and now you're seeing vehicles that on the lot. so if you, we have what's called a rollover. so we know how long a car sits on a lot. so a typically about 30 days and carson that long the dealers makes money and manufactures produce more product. they fill those blog. here's the problem. we've got vehicles like the jaguar, i paste sitting there for $373.00 days. that's not selling the year on the lot and they're paying finance charges on that. uh chevy volt leaves go pretty good because they're lower cost point for many of these vehicles, mercedes audi. the ford lightning are sitting there for 6 months before they're sold. i went to the local dealers in our area. there was a nissan, we've kind of been sitting there 9 months, and when i showed interest, i thought it was going to buy it. the toyota bc for x has been a total disaster. the volkswagen id for the just not selling or sitting on left. and consumers are not coming and asking,

they're asking for hybrid vehicles like the toyota prius, that's a really popular car. you're getting almost 60 miles per gallon. you can get a plug in hybrid or just a hybrid. and people kind of like not having to plug it in. absolutely. well, thank you so much. lauren and fix car coach. thank you a while now. welcome back in the league that was super insightful but let's just continue on. the law must bashing training just a little longer, so for so as learn mentioned, maintenance is a very big expense when it comes to a lifetime of your vehicle. while your average joe can work on a petrol power vehicle because the motor, the basic motor hasn't changed in centuries, but needs are basically specialized computers and require software and ages to actually work on this can quickly add up to $800.00 to a $1000.00 a year in maintenance, and fortunately if you bought it from tesla must even has their version department so that they actually cancel a lot of these appointments. so there's

a wait time to even get your vehicle serviced. my company's a line. musk and the monopoly. is that what you're referring to here in more and makes a very good point about the um the, the costs that actually because it's not just the initial cost of the vehicle. typically when you purchase a petro vehicle, it is, you know, you may say ok, well every now and again, i'll have to get some type of maintenance. i'll have to get, you know, maybe the engine or something flushed or something like that, but the cost is so much more exorbitant when you're talking about eaves and again, cost will always be an issue for the consumer. it's not always an issue for the actual um, the manufacturer, but costs will always be an issue for consumers. and as we see, even with for us is the tesla vehicles they've had now these much lower price models for the tests looks because they realize that they are more expensive model that they came out with initially that people simply cannot afford that. but if you can't afford the basic maintenance on the vehicle,

it is not going to encourage you to go out and purchase the purchase the vehicle. and you won't believe what maybe manufacturers, for. i'd say these marketers sick say that everybody's empty. you know, everybody's into this, know, everybody's not into it and i think there needs to be more testing. there needs to be more done to actually bring the costs down on the maintenance side. because if you have an 11 month having a monopoly over it, not whether that sharing technology or not, you don't even have the a maintenance technician. you know, when you go to school, you could actually, um the like a trade school or something. you could focus on, for instance, things like you're being able to operate on cars, whether that's at a toyota plan or a bmw station or anything like that. but with easy, there is no such thing. and so we have to catch up even on the education front as well. absolutely. excellent point. thank you so much, really for being here with us today. thanks for having me. so much fun. and despite all of this, a,

these are continuing to grow in popularity of social media and heavy marketing continues to show the screen agenda down our throats. now i'm off, we're going rain, but i'm also about practicality and ease. just are practical for everyone. yet the current city grid isn't built to handle it. and despite all of this, automakers are all competing to create the flashes most high tech, easy with the most teacher, a stick from like body. and we're talking about augmented reality, windshields and cars that practically drive themselves. so very cool stuff, but it seems to me that it's all pretty packaging and extra frills meant to distract you. i'm christy. i. thanks for watching and we'll see you right back here next time on the cost of everything.

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